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| Dealing with a horse with lumbar pain and gluteal muscle wasting. Multiple trips to vet with no real answer.
Bone scan-shows soft tissue lumbar pain
Kissing spine- full spinal x-rays shows none
EPM- negative
PSSM- negative
Lyme- negative
Custom fit saddle
Hooves- shod according to x-rays
Supplementation of vit e, magnesium and selenium.
Had multiple vets working on him while he stayed at the clinic for his scan. None of which could really give me any answers.
Anyone else dealt with unexplained muscle tightness and atrophy? |
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Elite Veteran
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Location: Mountains of VA | Stifle problems will cause a lot of back soreness where your horse is sore. Also thinking a pinched nerve somewhere to cause the soreness and atrophy, maybe damage to either stifles or hocks. Sounds like your horse can not use his hindquarters much at all due to pain which is causing the atrophy. Just my thoughts. |
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Location: Dubach, LA | Where is the soreness and what's his turning style? |
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I just read the headlines
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| Sounds like you have exhausted western medical analysis. You might want to look at Alternative medicine. |
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| turnedout - 2016-05-21 10:12 AM
Dealing with a horse with lumbar pain and gluteal muscle wasting. Multiple trips to vet with no real answer.
Bone scan-shows soft tissue lumbar pain
Kissing spine- full spinal x-rays shows none
EPM- negative
PSSM- negative
Lyme- negative
Custom fit saddle
Hooves- shod according to x-rays
Supplementation of vit e, magnesium and selenium.
Had multiple vets working on him while he stayed at the clinic for his scan. None of which could really give me any answers.
Anyone else dealt with unexplained muscle tightness and atrophy?
I'm in the same **** boat. It sucks. It sucks. It sucks.
I've spent way over $8500 looking for answers with the best diagnosticians in Texas and Oklahoma.
Nothing.
He's turned out.
I really hope you can figure it out. |
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| turnedout - 2016-05-21 10:12 AM
Dealing with a horse with lumbar pain and gluteal muscle wasting. Multiple trips to vet with no real answer.
Bone scan-shows soft tissue lumbar pain
Kissing spine- full spinal x-rays shows none
EPM- negative
PSSM- negative
Lyme- negative
Custom fit saddle
Hooves- shod according to x-rays
Supplementation of vit e, magnesium and selenium.
Had multiple vets working on him while he stayed at the clinic for his scan. None of which could really give me any answers.
Anyone else dealt with unexplained muscle tightness and atrophy?
He has cracked his pelvis or knocked down a hip ... both affect the backbone in the groin area ... |
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Sock Snob
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| what lab for epm my geldings blood was sent there. sent to dr. ellerson in florida. also test for lyme. maybe treat with orgin . did they do a neuro test on him. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-05-21 5:15 PM turnedout - 2016-05-21 10:12 AM Dealing with a horse with lumbar pain and gluteal muscle wasting. Multiple trips to vet with no real answer. Bone scan-shows soft tissue lumbar pain Kissing spine- full spinal x-rays shows none EPM- negative PSSM- negative Lyme- negative Custom fit saddle Hooves- shod according to x-rays Supplementation of vit e, magnesium and selenium. Had multiple vets working on him while he stayed at the clinic for his scan. None of which could really give me any answers. Anyone else dealt with unexplained muscle tightness and atrophy? He has cracked his pelvis or knocked down a hip ... both affect the backbone in the groin area ...
This is my first thought and my personal experience. Have a vet do a simple rectal exam. |
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 Did I miss the party?
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| Have you checked for PSSM type 2? Especially with muscle wasting (unless it's atrophy from an injury). And if the area lit up on nuclear bone scan, there IS bone remodeling, even if x-rays don't say so.
Edited by barrelracinbroke 2016-05-22 9:09 PM
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Sock Snob
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Location: NE Texas | If he were mine i'd order some EQ Total Support from Cur-OST and beg Dr. Schell to make up a batch of the EQ Flow (not on the website) and start on that as well. Get the inflammation under control throughout the body first and foremost. All of the issues that have been listed here are the result of inflammation in the body, or a compromised immune system, or both. Once the inflammation is under control and the contributors are removed, I would bet the issue will be managed based on the experiences i've had.
Also, make sure that your farrier doesn't have his feet out in front of his leg. I see so many horses with under slung heels, including my own at one time. I pulled shoes and now trim my own due to the issue. I think underslung heels is and a foot that needs to be backed up under the leg is the cause of alot of lower back issues due to the way it makes a horse travel.
I hope you're able to figure it out and get it under control. I know these issues are frustrating when we continue seeking solutions and never do find the cause.
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Location: Nashvegas | Did they do a thermal image of him? Nose to tail?
It can help point to where blood flow is being stopped, which then can lead to nerve blockages.
Good luck, I can't imagine the frustration. |
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Sock Snob
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| maybe get him a massage and find out where he is sore muscle wise them investigate. |
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Boot Detective
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| I share your frustration. I have spent enough on one horse (with no good answers and no improvement) to go BUY a nice horse. When all else fails, turn them out for a full year. If whatever it is doesn't heal/fix itself in a year, it is probably a permanent injury. Most injuries will heal in a year with NO vet therapy. We keep thinking the right person just hasn't seen our horse, so we keep going to another and another, but some things just can't be diagnosed. Mine is turned out too.
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Location: Kaufman, Texas | my horse had mystery lameness for over a year. Had a full scan done after many many vet trips. The scan showed soreness in his neck and SI. Had both injected and he was good to go. Always had a slight limp we couldn't fix. Hope you can find what's wrong. I know it's so frustrating |
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Location: IL | Hindgut problems. It will look like back soreness when they have hindgut problems. I've even had a horse limp with digestive problems. They cringe over being bushed and touched. I think ulcers, and hindgut ulcers are really being reconized now. I also think people didn't realize that's what causes alot of horses to buck and have poor attitudes.
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Location: Alberta, Canada | live blood cell analysis
health issues can show as unsoundness
Also - magnesium deficiency can show as back pain and will not show in blood tests. |
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| turnedout - 2016-05-21 10:12 AM
Dealing with a horse with lumbar pain and gluteal muscle wasting. Multiple trips to vet with no real answer.
Bone scan-shows soft tissue lumbar pain
Kissing spine- full spinal x-rays shows none
EPM- negative
PSSM- negative
Lyme- negative
Custom fit saddle
Hooves- shod according to x-rays
Supplementation of vit e, magnesium and selenium.
Had multiple vets working on him while he stayed at the clinic for his scan. None of which could really give me any answers.
Anyone else dealt with unexplained muscle tightness and atrophy?
Was EPM negative via test? Blood or spinal? What about clinical signs? Did you treat for EPM?
Suggestion is that if you didn't have a spinal and your horse showed any clinical signs of EPM, treat him. My horse was classic EPM on clinical signs, negative on blood test, treated and resolved, but did have some muscle wasting.
Frankly, if I have another one with symptoms I won't even test them, it's just a revenue generator for the lab and the vet, and useless.
Good luck.
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Did I miss the party?
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| jschipper - 2016-05-26 2:16 PM live blood cell analysis health issues can show as unsoundness Also - magnesium deficiency can show as back pain and will not show in blood tests.
I just had my horses magnesium levels checked via blood test?? |
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Location: Alberta, Canada | barrelracinbroke - 2016-05-29 9:49 PM
jschipper - 2016-05-26 2:16 PM live blood cell analysis health issues can show as unsoundness Also - magnesium deficiency can show as back pain and will not show in blood tests.
I just had my horses magnesium levels checked via blood test??
mmm.... impossible... magnesium levels can't be tested via blood test. It's stored in the bones.
performanceequinenutrition.com has some very wicked information regarding magnesium deficiencies.
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Location: Alberta, Canada | Info about Magnesium levels and testing blood
"Serum blood tests are not a true reflection of a horses true magnesium status. Only 1% of the body’s magnesium is found in the blood, the rest is in bone or soft tissue.
You can have your vet do a muscle biopsy but this in invasive and not usually done. There is a method of testing via urine but this involves reducing mag intake and introducing it, then measuring output in urine. This is not usually done either. The best way to know is to familiarize your self with the signs of deficiency and what they look like in your horse. Every horse has a different presentation depending on temperament and training." |
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Did I miss the party?
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| jschipper - 2016-05-30 9:05 AM barrelracinbroke - 2016-05-29 9:49 PM jschipper - 2016-05-26 2:16 PM live blood cell analysis health issues can show as unsoundness Also - magnesium deficiency can show as back pain and will not show in blood tests. I just had my horses magnesium levels checked via blood test?? mmm.... impossible... magnesium levels can't be tested via blood test. It's stored in the bones. performanceequinenutrition.com has some very wicked information regarding magnesium deficiencies.
I have my horses lab results right here.
I had a muscle enzyme panel done that included magnesium, selenium, AST, CK levels, etc.......
I was told by my vet that if magnesium ever came back low on an equine blood test than they are REALLY super low because the body will pull magnesium out of the skeletal sctructure to regulate... I think that's how he explained it anyhow?? I asked because I've heard a lot of talk about magnesium deficiency coming to light in recent years.
But, there is a blood test for it.
Whether it's effective or not, who knows. LOL.
Magnesium wasn't what we were interested in for this horse, but it was on the test.
Edited by barrelracinbroke 2016-05-30 7:18 PM
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Location: Back in MT BABY!!! | GLP - 2016-05-21 1:52 PM Sounds like you have exhausted western medical analysis. You might want to look at Alternative medicine.
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