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http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/05/21/winner-first-race-on-preakness-day-homeboykris-collapses-dies.html? |
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Location: SE Louisiana | TXBO - 2016-05-21 1:11 PM
Tough day at Pimlico so far. http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/05/21/winner-first-race-on-preakness-day-homeboykris-collapses-dies.html?
Live link. http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/05/21/winner-first-race-on-preak...
That sux!!! |
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Location: OH. IO | Very sad:( |
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Location: OH. IO | Now two horses dead??? |
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Location: SE Louisiana | jake16 - 2016-05-21 2:21 PM
Now two horses dead???
Yes. The winner of the 1st race and a filly with a broken cannon bone in the 4th race. |
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Location: OH. IO | Oh man.bad day for sure:( |
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Location: Kansas | I remember a Breeder's Cup where a horse named Timely Rider and a beautiful filly (dang can't remember her name, somebody help me) broke down the same day. It was awful and I refused to watch horse racing for a long time after that.
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Location: Kansas | Go for Wand........it was in 1987. She ran loose on the track with her leg broken before they could catch her. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Frodo - 2016-05-22 11:27 AM Go for Wand........it was in 1987. She ran loose on the track with her leg broken before they could catch her.
I saw that race and it made me sick, and wont watch any more races because of the break downs of these young horses, have watched a coupled but now since the others no more for me, just heart breaking.. |
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Location: OH. IO | I was literally sick to my stomach yesterday waiting for the race to start,i walked away and just listened to it in the kitchen. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-05-22 11:43 AM
Frodo - 2016-05-22 11:27 AM Go for Wand........it was in 1987. She ran loose on the track with her leg broken before they could catch her.
I saw that race and it made me sick, and wont watch any more races because of the break downs of these young horses, have watched a coupled but now since the others no more for me, just heart breaking..
I too, don't watch much anymore due to ALL of the breakdowns. |
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Location: The edge of no where | I don't know the statistics, but remember there are freak instances every day when dealing with horses. One of these was a 9 yo that died from an apparent heart attack, there was also a barrel horse that very tragically died yesterday from what seems to be a heart attack. It was devestating. I've also seen horses break legs at team ropings and barrel races - sometimes you never know exactly what caused it. Until they determine if there was any wrongdoing on the trainer's parts, lets not throw them under the bus just yet. I've had a rope horse step wrong leaving the box and break a front leg....it was horrible, but sometimes accidents just happen. Look at the sheer number of horses running. |
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Exactly what they said! Its sad that bandwagon fans watch at best 3 races per year and see this, then decide to share it all over facebook for the world to see. 90% of people don't get to see how well these horses are taken care of. Many don't see the trainers out there who are going broke to save and rehome their horses. All they get to see if the negative because no one shares the positive. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | MS2011 - 2016-05-23 8:28 AM I don't know the statistics, but remember there are freak instances every day when dealing with horses. One of these was a 9 yo that died from an apparent heart attack, there was also a barrel horse that very tragically died yesterday from what seems to be a heart attack. It was devestating. I've also seen horses break legs at team ropings and barrel races - sometimes you never know exactly what caused it. Until they determine if there was any wrongdoing on the trainer's parts, lets not throw them under the bus just yet. I've had a rope horse step wrong leaving the box and break a front leg....it was horrible, but sometimes accidents just happen. Look at the sheer number of horses running.
No body is throwing anybody under the bus on here, no trainers came up, didnt say anything about wrong doings. No body said anything about the trainers. |
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Location: Kansas | Southtxponygirl - 2016-05-23 9:08 AM MS2011 - 2016-05-23 8:28 AM I don't know the statistics, but remember there are freak instances every day when dealing with horses. One of these was a 9 yo that died from an apparent heart attack, there was also a barrel horse that very tragically died yesterday from what seems to be a heart attack. It was devestating. I've also seen horses break legs at team ropings and barrel races - sometimes you never know exactly what caused it. Until they determine if there was any wrongdoing on the trainer's parts, lets not throw them under the bus just yet. I've had a rope horse step wrong leaving the box and break a front leg....it was horrible, but sometimes accidents just happen. Look at the sheer number of horses running. No body is throwing anybody under the bus on here, no trainers came up, didnt say anything about wrong doings. No body said anything about the trainers.
Exactly........nothing changes the fact that a lot is being asked of two and three years olds, some only months from being weaned off their mothers. The sport is beautiful in many ways but a lot of ugly things happen that we don't see. |
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Location: The edge of no where | Frodo - 2016-05-23 9:26 AM Southtxponygirl - 2016-05-23 9:08 AM MS2011 - 2016-05-23 8:28 AM I don't know the statistics, but remember there are freak instances every day when dealing with horses. One of these was a 9 yo that died from an apparent heart attack, there was also a barrel horse that very tragically died yesterday from what seems to be a heart attack. It was devestating. I've also seen horses break legs at team ropings and barrel races - sometimes you never know exactly what caused it. Until they determine if there was any wrongdoing on the trainer's parts, lets not throw them under the bus just yet. I've had a rope horse step wrong leaving the box and break a front leg....it was horrible, but sometimes accidents just happen. Look at the sheer number of horses running. No body is throwing anybody under the bus on here, no trainers came up, didnt say anything about wrong doings. No body said anything about the trainers.
Not saying they don't - but both of these horses were older. The filly that broke her leg was 4 and the other was 9. |
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Location: California | A term that is used alot is "horse took a bad step". I personally don't believe that. I believe there are underlying factors that contribute to breakdowns whether it be tendon fatigue, toe grabs, micro fractures, track conditions, clipping heels, etc. I've seen breakdowns and each one makes me sick to my stomach. I don't give my horses bronchodilators because of side effects that may affect the heart. My niece has 12 racehorses and not one runs on the needle. The only vitamin supplement they get is Platinum Performance. I'm not saying that the horses who died at Pimlico had any medications in their systems or underlying factors that were detectable. I hope the necropsy results will be released to the public so we can learn from it. UC Davis did a study on colydar fractures which they found were associated with toe grabs that put more stress on the cannon bone. My brother-in-law is a trainer and is a great legman. Training for over 30 years and no breakdowns. If he suspects something might be going on, he will x-ray as a precaution. My husband told me he can tell if a horse is going to breakdown in front of him. He was in a race and a bug was on a horse in front of him. Jack saw the horse's tail twitching in front of him so he moved his horse from behind it. Horse brokedown. Jack said that when he sees the horse's tail twitching, the animal is in some kind of distress. I have a video of my husband on a horse that broke down going into the first turn in the Yellow Ribbon on the turf at Santa Anita. If it wasn't for my husband's quick action, that horse would have gone down. Jack stopped that horse like a reiner. You could see Jack holding the horse on the side of the track after the race. Horse was saved. Sometimes pulling up when you feel a weird step will save a horse from a catastrophic injury. Sometimes not. I hope there is much more research being done to help prevent what happened this weekend. I don't want to see anymore breakdowns and I don't want to see anymore jocks getting killed or paralyzed. |
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Location: In my own world | It happens every day on tracks every where. So sad. If you want a good book to read and learn from:
Saving Baby-How one woman's love of a racehorse led to her redemption |
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Location: California | On another note, Nyquist spiked a 102 fever. No doubt going 22, he bled. Still pointed to Belmont but won't ship right away. |
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Location: OH. IO | NonaY - 2016-05-23 12:39 PM
On another note, Nyquist spiked a 102 fever. No doubt going 22, he bled. Still pointed to Belmont but won't ship right away.
Oh no...I have messages on my phone from my daughter saying he looked very ill. |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | Southtxponygirl - 2016-05-22 12:43 PM Frodo - 2016-05-22 11:27 AM Go for Wand........it was in 1987. She ran loose on the track with her leg broken before they could catch her. I saw that race and it made me sick, and wont watch any more races because of the break downs of these young horses, have watched a coupled but now since the others no more for me, just heart breaking..
I think you have the year wrong as I thought it was 1990 Breeders Cup (I LOVED Unbridled which is the only reason I remember the year) but yeah I remember that vividly....my Mom and I were just horrified watching it. I was still a kid and it certainly left a vivid impression. There was actually three of them that year because another one that was injured on the track I remember hearing they had to put him down too.
I missed the Preakness this year but after hearing all that I'm kind of glad I missed it. |
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Location: Kansas | Speedy Buckeye Girl - 2016-05-23 12:30 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-05-22 12:43 PM Frodo - 2016-05-22 11:27 AM Go for Wand........it was in 1987. She ran loose on the track with her leg broken before they could catch her. I saw that race and it made me sick, and wont watch any more races because of the break downs of these young horses, have watched a coupled but now since the others no more for me, just heart breaking..
I missed the Preakness this year but after hearing all that I'm kind of glad I missed it.
You're right it was 1990. Born in 1987.
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| Here's one that will date me - anybody remember in 1975 The Ruffian and Foolish Pleasure match race and Ruffian broke down? I was only 10 and I'll NEVER forget that, it was heart breaking. |
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Location: Kansas | Griz - 2016-05-24 5:28 AM Here's one that will date me - anybody remember in 1975 The Ruffian and Foolish Pleasure match race and Ruffian broke down? I was only 10 and I'll NEVER forget that, it was heart breaking.
I remember it well. Matching a filly against a colt was the first mistake. That was a terrible day for horse racing.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-05-22 11:43 AM Frodo - 2016-05-22 11:27 AM Go for Wand........it was in 1987. She ran loose on the track with her leg broken before they could catch her. I saw that race and it made me sick, and wont watch any more races because of the break downs of these young horses, have watched a coupled but now since the others no more for me, just heart breaking..
Same here Roxie, not a fan of the horse track or any discipline that starts them way too young. |
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Location: Kentucky | NonaY - 2016-05-23 12:39 PM On another note, Nyquist spiked a 102 fever. No doubt going 22, he bled. Still pointed to Belmont but won't ship right away.
Can you explain what this means? It may be obvious but my mind is drawing a blank! |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Griz - 2016-05-24 5:28 AM
Here's one that will date me - anybody remember in 1975 The Ruffian and Foolish Pleasure match race and Ruffian broke down? I was only 10 and I'll NEVER forget that, it was heart breaking.
I remember. It was 3 decades before I would watch another horse race. |
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Location: MS | Murphy - 2016-05-24 6:56 AM
NonaY - 2016-05-23 12:39 PM On another note, Nyquist spiked a 102 fever. No doubt going 22, he bled. Still pointed to Belmont but won't ship right away.
Can you explain what this means? It may be obvious but my mind is drawing a blank!
They ran the first quarter mile in 22 seconds. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | tuff5224 - 2016-05-24 11:35 AM
The pace was way too fast for the distance, which likely led to Nyquist bleeding
Nyquist has been withdrawn from the Belmont. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2642096-nyquist-withdraws-from-2... |
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| If a racehorse bleeds during a race, arent they banned from competition? I thought that was why lasix was used on so many even that were not known bleeders.. Could someone clarify for me? |
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| Frodo - 2016-05-24 6:33 AM Griz - 2016-05-24 5:28 AM Here's one that will date me - anybody remember in 1975 The Ruffian and Foolish Pleasure match race and Ruffian broke down? I was only 10 and I'll NEVER forget that, it was heart breaking. I remember it well. Matching a filly against a colt was the first mistake. That was a terrible day for horse racing.
I was not yet alive when Ruffian had her match race but she is one of my favorite fillies in history. They compared her to Secretariat.. Her demise was heartbreaking for sure. What a magnificent athlete she was. |
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Location: Kansas | scwebster - 2016-05-24 1:52 PM Frodo - 2016-05-24 6:33 AM Griz - 2016-05-24 5:28 AM Here's one that will date me - anybody remember in 1975 The Ruffian and Foolish Pleasure match race and Ruffian broke down? I was only 10 and I'll NEVER forget that, it was heart breaking. I remember it well. Matching a filly against a colt was the first mistake. That was a terrible day for horse racing.
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | scwebster - 2016-05-24 1:48 PM
If a racehorse bleeds during a race, arent they banned from competition? I thought that was why lasix was used on so many even that were not known bleeders.. Could someone clarify for me?
No necessarily. If they bleed out and the vet see, they can be given I think it's 10 days for first offense. If they bleed back the vet may not know when watching them. There's nowhere that I've read that he bled, just an elevated white blood count so seems he's fighting off something. |
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Location: South Dakota | Frodo - 2016-05-24 2:23 PM scwebster - 2016-05-24 1:52 PM Frodo - 2016-05-24 6:33 AM Griz - 2016-05-24 5:28 AM Here's one that will date me - anybody remember in 1975 The Ruffian and Foolish Pleasure match race and Ruffian broke down? I was only 10 and I'll NEVER forget that, it was heart breaking. I remember it well. Matching a filly against a colt was the first mistake. That was a terrible day for horse racing.
That day still haunts me...RIP Ruffian.
The loss of Go For Wand was a devastating day as well, along with Eight Belles...the list is much too long of heartache at the track. I love watching horse racing, but usually watch the replays first. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Fastest opening quarter in Preakness history...if you watched all the races or caught the Chuck Lang 6 Furlong race which Justin Squared won (a TB sprint) they ran that race with a 23. ? opening quarter. Nyquist ran that 22 and then got pressed by speed horses all the way down the backside, he never got to rate down, slow the pace much and relax. He probably feels a bit like Sham did in the 73 Belmont, jockey and trainers used his guts up that day. Hope Nyquist comes back sound mind and sound body from this. |
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Tough day at Pimlico