~BINGO~ - 2016-06-02 9:36 AM

 I think both were at fault to some extent, but that proper measures unfortunately had to be taken. The mom shouldn't have let her child out of her site. But, as parents, we all make mistakes. The zoo should have taken proper safety precautions so that this was never a possibility. But again, I think the zoo has been open for 30-some odd years without an incident. Regardless, the big guy could have killed that little boy in an instant. It had to be done in my opinion. If it were your own child, would you question as to whether or not his life is as important as the gorillas?

cranky B4 10am - 2016-06-02 10:02 AM It is a sad deal and I really don't know enough of the situation or lay-out of the ZOO to have a very good opinion, but what gets me is all the gorilla experts on the internet that don't get why he had to be shot... I wish I had a dollar for everytime I see one of them city-slickers comment that they could have just sedated him...

I read a really good post on facebook from a lady that actually worked with gorilla's, and she said what I already thought and that is that it takes a couple of minutes for the sedation to take hold, and in those few minutes he could've easily killed the boy.  



 

NJJ - 2016-06-02 10:16 AM This was the post..........

 Amanda O'Donoughue

19 hrs ·



I am going to try to clear up a few things that have been weighing on me about Harambe and the Cinci Zoo since I read the news this afternoon.

I have worked with Gorillas as a zookeeper while in my twenties (before children) and they are my favorite animal (out of dozens) that I have ever worked closely with. I am gonna go ahead and list a few facts, thoughts and opinions for those of you that aren't familiar with the species itself, or how a zoo operates in emergency situations.



Now Gorillas are considered 'gentle giants' at least when compared with their more aggressive cousins the chimpanzee, but a 400+ pound male in his prime is as strong as roughly 10 adult humans. What can you bench press? OK, now multiply that number by ten. An adult male silverback gorilla has one job, to protect his group. He does this by bluffing or intimidating anything that he feels threatened by.



Gorillas are considered a Class 1 mammal, the most dangerous class of mammals in the animal kingdom, again, merely due to their size and strength. They are grouped in with other apes, tigers, lions, bears, etc.

While working in an AZA accredited zoo with Apes, keepers DO NOT work in contact with them. Meaning they do NOT go in with these animals. There is always a welded mesh barrier between the animal and the humans.

In more recent decades, zoos have begun to redesign enclosures, removing all obvious caging and attempting to create a seamless view of the animals for the visitor to enjoy watching animals in a more natural looking habitat. *this is great until little children begin falling into exhibits* which of course can happen to anyone, especially in a crowded zoo-like setting.



I have watched this video over again, and with the silverback's postering, and tight lips, it's pretty much the stuff of any keeper's nightmares, and I have had MANY while working with them. This job is not for the complacent. Gorillas are kind, curious, and sometimes silly, but they are also very large, very strong animals. I always brought my OCD to work with me. checking and rechecking locks to make sure my animals and I remained separated before entering to clean.



I keep hearing that the Gorilla was trying to protect the boy. I do not find this to be true. Harambe reaches for the boys hands and arms, but only to position the child better for his own displaying purposes.

Males do very elaborate displays when highly agitated, slamming and dragging things about. Typically they would drag large branches, barrels and heavy weighted balls around to make as much noise as possible. Not in an effort to hurt anyone or anything (usually) but just to intimidate. It was clear to me that he was reacting to the screams coming from the gathering crowd.



Harambe was most likely not going to separate himself from that child without seriously hurting him first (again due to mere size and strength, not malicious intent) Why didn't they use treats? well, they attempted to call them off exhibit (which animals hate), the females in the group came in, but Harambe did not. What better treat for a captive animal than a real live kid!

They didn't use Tranquilizers for a few reasons, A. Harambe would've taken too long to become immobilized, and could have really injured the child in the process as the drugs used may not work quickly enough depending on the stress of the situation and the dose B. Harambe would've have drowned in the moat if immobilized in the water, and possibly fallen on the boy trapping him and drowning him as well.

Many zoos have the protocol to call on their expertly trained dart team in the event of an animal escape or in the event that a human is trapped with a dangerous animal. They will evaluate the scene as quickly and as safely as possible, and will make the most informed decision as how they will handle the animal.

I can't point fingers at anyone in this situation, but we need to really evaluate the safety of the animal enclosures from the visitor side. Not impeding that view is a tough one, but there should be no way that someone can find themselves inside of an animal's exhibit.

I know one thing for sure, those keepers lost a beautiful, and I mean gorgeous silverback and friend. I feel their loss with them this week. As educators and conservators of endangered species, all we can do is shine a light on the beauty and majesty of these animals in hopes to spark a love and a need to keep them from vanishing from our planet. Child killers, they are not. It's unfortunate for the conservation of the species, and the loss of revenue a beautiful zoo such as Cinci will lose. tragedy all around.

 

Bear - 2016-06-02 10:41 AM

I'm so sick of hearing about the incident, it isn't even funny.
There's no shortage of human tragedies in this world, yet this unfortunate incident has been sucking all the oxygen out of the air for the past week. We've lost all sense of proportionality, it seems.
Meanwhile, as we mourn the senseless passing of a gorilla, over 60 people were shot in Chicago with 6 deaths over the Memorial Day weekend, and it's barely even noticed.
Now we can focus on more important matters, like who should be allowed in which public loo.

Bear - 2016-06-02 11:41 AM I'm so sick of hearing about the incident, it isn't even funny. There's no shortage of human tragedies in this world, yet this unfortunate incident has been sucking all the oxygen out of the air for the past week. We've lost all sense of proportionality, it seems. Meanwhile, as we mourn the senseless passing of a gorilla, over 60 people were shot in Chicago with 6 deaths over the Memorial Day weekend, and it's barely even noticed. Now we can focus on more important matters, like who should be allowed in which public loo.

cheryl makofka - 2016-06-02 1:23 PM Of the info I have read a few things bother me. Witnesses stated that the child kept saying to his mom he wanted to go into the gorilla pen, she kept saying no. So if you knew your child wanted to go in there then wouldn't you pay more attention? The other thing I read was the mom was taking a picture when the child disappeared, again when you are at the zoo wouldn't you want your child to be in the picture? The child once in the gorilla area was on a rock where someone could have saved him, but the child ignored his mother telling him to stop. To me this is a displine issue, the child had no respect for the authority figure, his mom. The child kept crawling through the bush to be with the gorilla. I find the mother was very lucky as with her negligence in a crowded area this child could have been abducted.

Nevertooold - 2016-06-02 2:49 PM Over 300 thousand people are demanding on FB that the parents are held responsible for this 4 year old. 19 Juvenilles were arrested in Chicago for shooting, robbing and selling drugs but not a peep about how these parents should be held responsible. Proves how are society is really screwed up.

3canstorun - 2016-06-02 1:56 PM They had on the news last night - gasp - Fox - some black representatives of Chicago.  A radio man and a lady that worked at a magazine.  They also were talking about that.  Their idea frankly, was to bring in the National Guard and take control of the city in the black areas.  Then slowly with the help of the local police, schools, community leaders establish guidelines and help these people overcome their problems.  They said they cannot do without that type of help.   



Not once did they use the - poor black - thought process.  They did say their part  of the city is ignored because of these problems though.  The locals can't get it together and fight each other at every level.  They called them pure politicians. 

 

1DSoon - 2016-06-02 10:55 AM Here's in irrefutable fact.





ACCIDENTS HAPPEN, it was a bad deal and ole silver back got a raw deal. Should mom have been takeing better care of a little jerome? Sure. But have you ever done something that you wished you would have not done or done better? We all have, because accidents happen. 



Anthropomorphism runs rampant in todays society, they are animals folks, we are the stewards but at the end of the day we are at the top of the food chain for a reason. 



It's stupid that so much time and bandwidth has been devoted to beating this issue up.



 

cheryl makofka - 2016-06-02 2:23 PM

Of the info I have read a few things bother me.

Witnesses stated that the child kept saying to his mom he wanted to go into the gorilla pen, she kept saying no. So if you knew your child wanted to go in there then wouldn't you pay more attention?

The other thing I read was the mom was taking a picture when the child disappeared, again when you are at the zoo wouldn't you want your child to be in the picture?

The child once in the gorilla area was on a rock where someone could have saved him, but the child ignored his mother telling him to stop. To me this is a displine issue, the child had no respect for the authority figure, his mom. The child kept crawling through the bush to be with the gorilla.

I find the mother was very lucky as with her negligence in a crowded area this child could have been abducted.

Bear - 2016-06-02 10:41 AM

I'm so sick of hearing about the incident, it isn't even funny.
There's no shortage of human tragedies in this world, yet this unfortunate incident has been sucking all the oxygen out of the air for the past week. We've lost all sense of proportionality, it seems.
Meanwhile, as we mourn the senseless passing of a gorilla, over 60 people were shot in Chicago with 6 deaths over the Memorial Day weekend, and it's barely even noticed.
Now we can focus on more important matters, like who should be allowed in which public loo.

OutlawsLastDance - 2016-06-02 5:43 PM


I didn't hear the bits and pieces about him being on a rock, or her taking a picture when he disappeared.

I too have been hung up on the fact that the kid kept saying he was going to get in that cage. BUT the other thing I read, which wasn't in every article, so may or may not be true, but I read that she had her 2 children, and 4 other children with her. No mention of other parents, so that to me means she was by herself with 6 kids. SO, with that said, I get it, accidents happen, kids get away. BUT more than one parent should be with 6 small-ish children, in a place like a zoo. One parent can barely manage 6 children contained in a home, let alone, loose in a strange place, with stimulating stuff (like big fluffy, cute gorillas), and all the many potential dangers at a place like a zoo. Sounds like the mom should have had that kid on a leash.