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Location: ARKANSAS | In the past few weeks i have noticed on facebook a few posts about several participents at local horse shows where thier horses have bucked them off...thankfully they were not hurt but, what i dont understand is they go home and TIE THEM TO A TREE!!!! Ok, what does this teach the horse??? Other than to Tie Out? It DOES NOT teach them to NOT BUCK ANYMORE in my opinion!!!! i saw a post yesterday where poster showed pic of horse and stated she had been tied out for several hours...OK SHE TIES OUT!!! If someone knows something i dont know please shed a little light on the subject, and if tieing to a tree solves all trining solutions...then i am tieing all mine to a tree today!!! |
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Location: Somewhere around here | Some people believe it's a form of punishment or time out, like "he'll think about what he's done here today" but in reality horses aren't going to think about what they did an hour or two ago and why they are tied up for hours. Horses brains aren't quite built like that and they aren't going to be linking the hours long tie up to the bucking. It's pretty much a no win situation. |
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| We sent one to a trainer that came to us very high strung, daughter could not get him to trot, always on the muscle, constant battle with him outside the pen, he could clock though. She would tie him but it was immediately after his bad behavior, she left him for hours, would get back on, if he did not improve back to the tree. She fed him early in the afternoon, would work with him, if he was good he was unsaddled and put up, if bad he stayed tied all night. He came back a different horse, a pleasure to ride. She has had horses act up in a run, makes them lope circles after the run-have to keep working, keeps them saddled for the ride home, they stay saddled and tied all night.
She firmly believes they learn the reward of you did good, no more work vs the above.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Standing saddled and tied for hours will mentally wear one down and make them easier to deal with. When I need to do boot camp with a horse, one of the things I do is saddle and tie them up in the morning and leave them all day until I feed in the evening. They might get ridden once or twice and tied back up after...by about Day 3 of this, most will have a new outlook on life. |
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Location: Kansas | Three 4 Luck - 2016-06-06 8:00 AM Standing saddled and tied for hours will mentally wear one down and make them easier to deal with. When I need to do boot camp with a horse, one of the things I do is saddle and tie them up in the morning and leave them all day until I feed in the evening. They might get ridden once or twice and tied back up after...by about Day 3 of this, most will have a new outlook on life.
Yep.
If mine wants to act like a jerk, they will stand tied to the trailer or a tree for most of the day.
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | Doesn't teach them anything. They aren't standing there in the naughty corner thinking about what they did. No one ever taught a horse to perform under saddle by tying them up to a tree to think on it. |
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Location: The edge of no where | Three 4 Luck - 2016-06-06 8:00 AM Standing saddled and tied for hours will mentally wear one down and make them easier to deal with. When I need to do boot camp with a horse, one of the things I do is saddle and tie them up in the morning and leave them all day until I feed in the evening. They might get ridden once or twice and tied back up after...by about Day 3 of this, most will have a new outlook on life.
It's just like a lot of training techniques - done correctly by someone that understands what they're trying to accomplish - it can help tremendously. All our young horses learn to tie out. Always make sure they have access to water. |
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| Tilt The Kilt - 2016-06-06 8:08 AM Doesn't teach them anything. They aren't standing there in the naughty corner thinking about what they did. No one ever taught a horse to perform under saddle by tying them up to a tree to think on it.
They aren't tied to so they "can think about it", they are tied so when they are back under saddle they are in a frame of mind to listen. Think of it like a horse that has to be lunged before being saddled to get energy out or he acts like a nut, won't listen-same concept. |
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | rodeomom3 - 2016-06-06 8:17 AM Tilt The Kilt - 2016-06-06 8:08 AM Doesn't teach them anything. They aren't standing there in the naughty corner thinking about what they did. No one ever taught a horse to perform under saddle by tying them up to a tree to think on it. They aren't tied to so they "can think about it", they are tied so when they are back under saddle they are in a frame of mind to listen. Think of it like a horse that has to be lunged before being saddled to get energy out or he acts like a nut, won't listen-same concept.
That's not what the OP's question was. And I still disagree. The horse is doing just what it would rather do...stand instead of work. Neither one of you (horse or rider) are working on better behaviors, better training, better listening. It makes the owner feel better and puts the owner in a better frame of mind. There is nothing wrong with having one stay tied for awhile (denying food and water in excessive hours of such just speaks to the lack of brains and communication skills of the trainer) - ours know how to tie and be patient but to use as a training tool for better understanding of under saddle requests and responses...no. |
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Location: Texas | If they want to buck, IMO, they are not tired enough.
A horse that wants to act up gets the round pen at our house, and we get back on.
Now a horse that wants to REALLY buck, we get rid of. |
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Location: Phoenix | rodeomom3 - 2016-06-06 6:17 AM Tilt The Kilt - 2016-06-06 8:08 AM Doesn't teach them anything. They aren't standing there in the naughty corner thinking about what they did. No one ever taught a horse to perform under saddle by tying them up to a tree to think on it. They aren't tied to so they "can think about it", they are tied so when they are back under saddle they are in a frame of mind to listen. Think of it like a horse that has to be lunged before being saddled to get energy out or he acts like a nut, won't listen-same concept.
I agree with your frame of mind comment.
For a bucker, I'd probably introduce a two-a-day workout schedule and leave him saddled in between. But I also wouldn't own a horse that bucks! So...... |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Tilt The Kilt - 2016-06-06 8:30 AM rodeomom3 - 2016-06-06 8:17 AM Tilt The Kilt - 2016-06-06 8:08 AM Doesn't teach them anything. They aren't standing there in the naughty corner thinking about what they did. No one ever taught a horse to perform under saddle by tying them up to a tree to think on it. They aren't tied to so they "can think about it", they are tied so when they are back under saddle they are in a frame of mind to listen. Think of it like a horse that has to be lunged before being saddled to get energy out or he acts like a nut, won't listen-same concept.
Mine had rather be out in the pasture eating grass. 
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Location: The edge of no where | Three 4 Luck - 2016-06-06 9:18 AM Tilt The Kilt - 2016-06-06 8:30 AM rodeomom3 - 2016-06-06 8:17 AM Tilt The Kilt - 2016-06-06 8:08 AM Doesn't teach them anything. They aren't standing there in the naughty corner thinking about what they did. No one ever taught a horse to perform under saddle by tying them up to a tree to think on it. They aren't tied to so they "can think about it", they are tied so when they are back under saddle they are in a frame of mind to listen. Think of it like a horse that has to be lunged before being saddled to get energy out or he acts like a nut, won't listen-same concept.
Mine too - they love to spend their day grazing, hanging with their buddies and napping in the sand pit. Tied to a tree with a saddle, not so much on their list of fun stuff. |
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| If a horse is well broke and is bucking, 99% of the time there is a reason why and it's usually some type of soreness. Could be a bad saddle or an SI issue or a tooth issue or a foot issue or a tendon issue or a ligament issue or...you get the point. Unfortunately most people don't seem to understand this and the horse is the one that pays the price.
Now a green colt is a different thing entirely. But if you break a horse correctly, rarely will there be a bucking issue unless they are hurting. |
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Location: Texas | It takes the edge off of them. Trust me it teaches the more than just tying out. |
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Location: Texas | rodeomom3 - 2016-06-06 8:17 AM
Tilt The Kilt - 2016-06-06 8:08 AM Doesn't teach them anything. They aren't standing there in the naughty corner thinking about what they did. No one ever taught a horse to perform under saddle by tying them up to a tree to think on it.
They aren't tied to so they "can think about it", they are tied so when they are back under saddle they are in a frame of mind to listen. Think of it like a horse that has to be lunged before being saddled to get energy out or he acts like a nut, won't listen-same concept.
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| Stop buying those old cowboy cold backed and cold sided horses they have to ride all day to take the starch out of them ..
I think you should let horse watch some barrel racing videos on your ipad as
he stands tied to a tree for days ... I would really give him something to
think about!!
Will the same thing work when starting a colt to ride??
No more expensive colt starting trainers for me ..
I'm just going to tie the sucker up!
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Location: Florida.. | BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-06-06 5:18 PM Stop buying those old cowboy cold backed and cold sided horses they have to ride all day to take the starch out of them .. I think you should let horse watch some barrel racing videos on your ipad as he stands tied to a tree for days ... I would really give him something to think about!! Will the same thing work when starting a colt to ride?? No more expensive colt starting trainers for me .. I'm just going to tie the sucker up!  I picture them standing there all dazed and relaxed.. thanks mom I bucked so I get to stand under a oak tree and chill out.
let me add.. We dont do it but Understand you alls concept to a point.. I think some situations (as this one posted in Ops first post ) is a lil to late and wrong reasoning behind it.. but we all do things differantly..
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Meanest Teacher!!!
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Location: sunny california | i have one that every spring when he goes back into work he has to be tied out for a day or two. actually the older he gets the less time per day and less days. used to take 3 days for his attitude to adjust, now just one and anot all day anymore. He gets tied because I am the boss and say it is time to take your freedom away and I said so.... this brat will buck in place for hours and look at you like you are the devil. |
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| If you have ever rode enough colts and soured up pukes for a living, you will interstand that tying one up and letting them soak works. I also had tie stalls (or standing stalls) likee they used for the old time draft horses that they lived in. And a tall oak tree. Nothing cures and b!tchy Mother Ed up mare faster, than living in a tie stall and only getting out twice a day to WORK. Never had an owner complain about the end result either. However I'm not sure what the purpose is to tying one up after a bad run?? For a performance problem, I don't see it as the most effective method of fixing it. For a behavioral problem yes, performance. Not so much.
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Location: Georgia | kwanatha - 2016-06-06 9:08 PM i have one that every spring when he goes back into work he has to be tied out for a day or two. actually the older he gets the less time per day and less days. used to take 3 days for his attitude to adjust, now just one and anot all day anymore. He gets tied because I am the boss and say it is time to take your freedom away and I said so.... this brat will buck in place for hours and look at you like you are the devil.
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| I had one of mine tied up saddled in the sun from 11:30 til 3pm when I could go ride him. I gave him water before and after I rode. Then he got tied back up until time to go to the roping pen. The reason I do it sometimes is to let the sun and sweat take a little bit of the freshness out of him. I would have rode him sooner but we don't ride when home alone so I had to wait on hubby. Worked like a charm |
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Location: Texas | wickedstepmother - 2016-06-06 8:24 PM
If you have ever rode enough colts and soured up pukes for a living, you will interstand that tying one up and letting them soak works. I also had tie stalls (or standing stalls) likee they used for the old time draft horses that they lived in. And a tall oak tree. Nothing cures and b!tchy Mother Ed up mare faster, than living in a tie stall and only getting out twice a day to WORK. Never had an owner complain about the end result either. However I'm not sure what the purpose is to tying one up after a bad run?? For a performance problem, I don't see it as the most effective method of fixing it. For a behavioral problem yes, performance. Not so much.
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Location: sunny california | Runninbay - 2016-06-06 6:39 PM kwanatha - 2016-06-06 9:08 PM i have one that every spring when he goes back into work he has to be tied out for a day or two. actually the older he gets the less time per day and less days. used to take 3 days for his attitude to adjust, now just one and anot all day anymore. He gets tied because I am the boss and say it is time to take your freedom away and I said so.... this brat will buck in place for hours and look at you like you are the devil.
I don't know why but the mental image of this horse made me giggle.
you are not the only one. we sometimes go inside and watch through the window and sip tea. he puts on quite a show! he will rear up and try to see the other side of the horse trailer if tied to the trailer. doesn't cry just is looking for me to give me the stink eye |
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I agree with this. I'd never tie out for bucking probs, I don't see how that would solve that issue, but occasionally tying my mare for a few hrs a few days in a row can be good for her. For some reason, when I come out to get her, she's happy to see me and to WORK. Almost like 'Thank God I get to do something, this is so boring.' Maybe that doesn't make sense, but this is where I find tying out for a bit helps the particular horse I have now. |
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Our colts also spend alot of time tied. We train colts and also operate a dude string. There is nothing better for colts to be tied as their "buddies" come and go. I will ride a colt out, tie it for a couple hours, ride it again ... and It doesn't take long for a colt to understand that being tied is a great place to rest and conserve energy. I like it because they learn to have to deal with life at that hitching post and by the time it's time for you to work them they have had their attitude adjustment and the best part is...you haven't had to ride it out. I feel like the rides are alot more positive because you haven't had that extra stuff to deal with and both you and the colt stay in a better frame of mind.
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Location: KS | Different people believe in different things (techniques). They might find tying their horses up works for them. |
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Someone Please help me UNDERSTAND!!!