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Location: 31 lengths farms | Of the two I'd go with Previcoxx but I'd look into either Pure or Green by Cur_ost or another product called Neoprofin AVF. I used the Neoprofin on my little mare with Kidney stones because Previcoxx and Bute just aren't good ideas for her, she fractured her Patella in 2011 and has come back sound but like to support her if I can. |
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| I'd give half a tablet of Previcox every day (it works on joint pain). Bute given all the time could be hard on the stomach. So i'd give Previcox every day, and bute the day before you run. |
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| triselaine - 2016-06-06 11:20 AM
I'd give half a tablet of Previcox every day (it works on joint pain). Bute given all the time could be hard on the stomach. So i'd give Previcox every day, and bute the day before you run.
Only Issue I would see is the half tab of previcox a day still keeps it in their system and it takes a while for it to get out of the system when used every day. Combining with bute might cause some issues. My vet always told me 3 days separation if changing NSAIDS. |
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triselaine - 2016-06-06 11:20 AM
I'd give half a tablet of Previcox every day (it works on joint pain). Bute given all the time could be hard on the stomach. So i'd give Previcox every day, and bute the day before you run.
Only Issue I would see is the half tab of previcox a day still keeps it in their system and it takes a while for it to get out of the system when used every day. Combining with bute might cause some issues. My vet always told me 3 days separation if changing NSAIDS.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | FLITASTIC - 2016-06-06 2:31 PM triselaine - 2016-06-06 11:20 AM I'd give half a tablet of Previcox every day (it works on joint pain). Bute given all the time could be hard on the stomach. So i'd give Previcox every day, and bute the day before you run. Only Issue I would see is the half tab of previcox a day still keeps it in their system and it takes a while for it to get out of the system when used every day. Combining with bute might cause some issues. My vet always told me 3 days separation if changing NSAIDS.
While a lot of people like to use drugs in their dosages like they are vets, listen to your vet. Unless of course you feel they are not quallified and then I suggest you get a vet with whom you are comfortable.
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triselaine - 2016-06-06 11:20 AM
I'd give half a tablet of Previcox every day (it works on joint pain). Bute given all the time could be hard on the stomach. So i'd give Previcox every day, and bute the day before you run.
Only Issue I would see is the half tab of previcox a day still keeps it in their system and it takes a while for it to get out of the system when used every day. Combining with bute might cause some issues. My vet always told me 3 days separation if changing NSAIDS.
What issues
Vet was explaining the Cox1 vs 2 inhibitors and primarily the problem is GI upset. She also said never ever use Bute and Banamine together. I guess there are certain times when absolutely necessary but only under vets supervision. If I remember correctly its also about Liver failure. |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | justgofaster - 2016-06-05 12:20 PM
Just curious what thoughts are on running older horses on either bute or Previcox. My 17yr old mare doesn't have any major issues but vet recommended maybe giving her bute over the weekends I'm hauling her to keep her feeling her best. So just wondering if I just give her the bute on weekends would it cause ulcers or other issues down the road? Am I better with Previcox or is maybe IV bute or banamine better? What do you do for your older campaigners?
Just giving Bute over the weekend will not hurt.....it is when one gives Bute for long extending times......and it does work better than Previcox.
Depending when you are going to run example Friday night you can give it to her that morning......2 grams to start and I use the powder and ......if you are up the next day you can give 1 gram every 12 hours safely.
As for Pervicox my vet recommends for long term use if you must 60 days on 30 days off....... |
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Location: Florida.. | CJE - 2016-06-06 4:55 PM justgofaster - 2016-06-05 12:20 PM Just curious what thoughts are on running older horses on either bute or Previcox. My 17yr old mare doesn't have any major issues but vet recommended maybe giving her bute over the weekends I'm hauling her to keep her feeling her best. So just wondering if I just give her the bute on weekends would it cause ulcers or other issues down the road? Am I better with Previcox or is maybe IV bute or banamine better? What do you do for your older campaigners? Just giving Bute over the weekend will not hurt.....it is when one gives Bute for long extending times......and it does work better than Previcox. Depending when you are going to run example Friday night you can give it to her that morning......2 grams to start and I use the powder and ......if you are up the next day you can give 1 gram every 12 hours safely. As for Pervicox my vet recommends for long term use if you must 60 days on 30 days off.......
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | The preparation of Previcox (generic name = fibrocoxib) approved by the FDA for use in horses is Equioxx, which is the exact same thing as Previcox, except it costs about 7 times as much as Previcox for dogs.
A 60 tablet bottle of 57 mg tabs of Previcox runs around $75. The ONLY reason Previcox is approved for dogs exclusively is because of some FDA rule that prohibits selling the medication when one is available that is made exclusively for horses, Equioxx. Now if you can make any sense of that, you are better than me.
Previcox is tolerated better than Bute, with fewer side effects, especially GI. The vets claim you can give Previcox much more safely on a long term basis versus Bute. Interestingly, on a weight basis, horses require much less Previcox than dogs. I'm guessing that's because the metabolism differs a lot.
57 mg is a good dose for an average sized horse. You can either buy 57 mg tablets, or the stronger 227 mg tablets and quarter them. If you get the 227 mg tabs, the cost is much less. You can save roughly another 50% if you are willing to quarter the 227 mg tabs. Get a pill cutter at a pharmacy. They are cheap, easy to use, and more precise.
Do NOT give Bute, Banamine, or Previcox at the same time. Use one or the other, and if you switch, allow 3-4 days for it to washout, before starting a different NSAID, or you run the risk of kidney damage. |
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| Bear - 2016-06-06 3:44 PM
The preparation of Previcox (generic name = fibrocoxib) approved by the FDA for use in horses is Equioxx, which is the exact same thing as Previcox, except it costs about 7 times as much as Previcox for dogs.
A 60 tablet bottle of 57 mg tabs of Previcox runs around $75. The ONLY reason Previcox is approved for dogs exclusively is because of some FDA rule that prohibits selling the medication when one is available that is made exclusively for horses, Equioxx. Now if you can make any sense of that, you are better than me.
Previcox is tolerated better than Bute, with fewer side effects, especially GI. The vets claim you can give Previcox much more safely on a long term basis versus Bute. Interestingly, on a weight basis, horses require much less Previcox than dogs. I'm guessing that's because the metabolism differs a lot.
57 mg is a good dose for an average sized horse. You can either buy 57 mg tablets, or the stronger 227 mg tablets and quarter them. If you get the 227 mg tabs, the cost is much less. You can save roughly another 50% if you are willing to quarter the 227 mg tabs. Get a pill cutter at a pharmacy. They are cheap, easy to use, and more precise.
Do NOT give Bute, Banamine, or Previcox at the same time. Use one or the other, and if you switch, allow 3-4 days for it to washout, before starting a different NSAID, or you run the risk of kidney damage.
Thanks Bear!!! THats exactly what my vet told me,., |
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triselaine - 2016-06-06 11:20 AM
I'd give half a tablet of Previcox every day (it works on joint pain). Bute given all the time could be hard on the stomach. So i'd give Previcox every day, and bute the day before you run.
Only Issue I would see is the half tab of previcox a day still keeps it in their system and it takes a while for it to get out of the system when used every day. Combining with bute might cause some issues. My vet always told me 3 days separation if changing NSAIDS.
What issues
Both previcoxx and bute are excreted by the kidneys, if you are using both you can put the horse into kidney failure. No way of knowing if your horse can handle both until it is too late. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | triselaine - 2016-06-06 1:20 PM
I'd give half a tablet of Previcox every day (it works on joint pain). Bute given all the time could be hard on the stomach. So i'd give Previcox every day, and bute the day before you run.
Make sure you know the correct dose. "Half a tab" could be either 114 mg or 24 mg, depending on the pill size you have. Proper DOSING of a medication is based on weight of the drug. |
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Location: Texas | FLITASTIC - 2016-06-06 2:35 PM
mollibtexan - 2016-06-06 11:49 AM
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triselaine - 2016-06-06 11:20 AM
I'd give half a tablet of Previcox every day (it works on joint pain). Bute given all the time could be hard on the stomach. So i'd give Previcox every day, and bute the day before you run.
Only Issue I would see is the half tab of previcox a day still keeps it in their system and it takes a while for it to get out of the system when used every day. Combining with bute might cause some issues. My vet always told me 3 days separation if changing NSAIDS.
What issues
Vet was explaining the Cox1 vs 2 inhibitors and primarily the problem is GI upset. She also said never ever use Bute and Banamine together. I guess there are certain times when absolutely necessary but only under vets supervision. If I remember correctly its also about Liver failure.
renal failure. It causes renal papillary necrosis. The GI stuff is not only gastric ulcers but can cause their intestines to slough their lining. I saw a horse who was accidentally given half a tube of bute and he did not survive it. It was awful. |
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Location: Texas | justgofaster - 2016-06-06 11:05 PM
Thanks for the feedback. My vet says using bute just on the weekends should not cause issues but was just curious what others were doing and if anyone has ever had any serious issues with bute using it several weekends in a row?
I use bute, not previcox, for mine. Bute is more potent but it is harder on their kidneys and GIT than previcox. Like others have said, NSAIDs and steroids like dex can cause GI ulceration and renal failure if given too much or too often.
I know some people give daily previcox for the life of their horse but for me, that is too much. Previcox, even though its COX 2 specific, is not immune from the effects of NSAIDs. You can still cause ulcers with it, especially if you give it all the time and they are in stressful situations. But many vets tell clients to put them on it indefinitely, and for some horses- that's what they need. It's between them and their vet.
For mine, they don't have chronic issues that need daily pain meds to stay comfortable (like horses with laminitis or ringbone, or severe OA. etc..) They are just older teenaged horses with some arthritis.
What you CAN do if you are concerned with giving NSAIDs and ulcers is concurrently treat with gastrogard at the same time. It's expensive but it works. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | cheryl makofka - 2016-06-07 9:08 PM
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triselaine - 2016-06-06 11:20 AM
I'd give half a tablet of Previcox every day (it works on joint pain). Bute given all the time could be hard on the stomach. So i'd give Previcox every day, and bute the day before you run.
Only Issue I would see is the half tab of previcox a day still keeps it in their system and it takes a while for it to get out of the system when used every day. Combining with bute might cause some issues. My vet always told me 3 days separation if changing NSAIDS.
What issues
Both previcoxx and bute are excreted by the kidneys, if you are using both you can put the horse into kidney failure. No way of knowing if your horse can handle both until it is too late.
Long term Previcoxx/equioxx use it why we believe CC developed Kidney Stones. She fractured her patella in 2011 and had to be on it long term, a little over a year and then on it for races when she did come back as well as the combo of very little good grass hay in our area so we ended up going to Alfalfa full time during that same period. Unfortunately in was the perfect storm set up.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | run n rate - 2016-06-07 12:39 PM
cheryl makofka - 2016-06-07 9:08 PM
mollibtexan - 2016-06-06 1:49 PM
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triselaine - 2016-06-06 11:20 AM
I'd give half a tablet of Previcox every day (it works on joint pain). Bute given all the time could be hard on the stomach. So i'd give Previcox every day, and bute the day before you run.
Only Issue I would see is the half tab of previcox a day still keeps it in their system and it takes a while for it to get out of the system when used every day. Combining with bute might cause some issues. My vet always told me 3 days separation if changing NSAIDS.
What issues
Both previcoxx and bute are excreted by the kidneys, if you are using both you can put the horse into kidney failure. No way of knowing if your horse can handle both until it is too late.
Long term Previcoxx/equioxx use it why we believe CC developed Kidney Stones. She fractured her patella in 2011 and had to be on it long term, a little over a year and then on it for races when she did come back as well as the combo of very little good grass hay in our area so we ended up going to Alfalfa full time during that same period. Unfortunately in was the perfect storm set up.
I didn't know that Equioxx or Previcox causes kidney stones. How did you and your vet determine that? Is it a known complication? |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | As Cheryl stated its processed thru the kidneys, the vets believe that the combo of her being on it long term as well as the Alfalfa and added calcium was more than likely the trigger to developing the stones in the kidney. Will I use the product again? Yes, not on CC, and not long term like we had to for her issues at the time. Both the vets at UC Davis and my normal vet who is a big believer in Previcoxx/equioxx just think that unfortunately for CC it was maybe the kidney's having trouble filtering properly due to the long term use of the NSAID's and then adding the Alfalfa on top allowed the stones to form.
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Sharing my experience, indirectly or directly is for smarter people than I to assess. Could just be her body chemistry and how she processes things too, I also have a gelding that cannot have Bute orally, he can have it IV however. Give it to him orally and he has a tummy ache with in 10-15 minutes. |
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| This may be a silly question but.....I gave my mare a half dose of bute last night but I am going to a show this weekend and would prefer to start her on Previcox. Can I give her Previcox tonight instead of bute and through the weekend? I only ask because a few people stated you needed to wait 3-4 days in between switching from bute to previcox or vice versa. Thank you! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | MObrlrcr - 2016-06-07 3:26 PM This may be a silly question but.....I gave my mare a half dose of bute last night but I am going to a show this weekend and would prefer to start her on Previcox. Can I give her Previcox tonight instead of bute and through the weekend? I only ask because a few people stated you needed to wait 3-4 days in between switching from bute to previcox or vice versa. Thank you!
To be safe, I'd wait till Wednesday at the earliest, if it were me. You'd probably be fine, but why not wait an extra day just to be safe? The main things is to not give bute and Previcox within the same 24 hour period. By "half a dose" I assume you mean 2 grams. |
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| skye - 2016-06-08 10:21 PM I have been told that Previcoxx is faster acting than Bute if you need something to get into the system fast.
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| skye - 2016-06-08 8:21 PM
I have been told that Previcoxx is faster acting than Bute if you need something to get into the system fast.
My vet and I agree , it's the exact opposite. Previcox takes 2-3 days. Bute is about 4 hours. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Gunnin to Play - 2016-06-09 8:11 AM
I am having pretty good luck with previcox.
Previcox users, what size tabs are you using and what dosage are you giving?
As I mentioned earlier, the 57 mg dose is said to be for an average sized horse. If you get the 227 mg tabs and quarter them, you can save a lot. Get a pill cutter from a local pharmacy, get the 227 mg tabs, quarter them, and save yourself some money. I'd stick to the recommended dose for an average horse if I were you. |
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| Bear - 2016-06-09 7:29 AM Gunnin to Play - 2016-06-09 8:11 AM I am having pretty good luck with previcox.
Previcox users, what size tabs are you using and what dosage are you giving? As I mentioned earlier, the 57 mg dose is said to be for an average sized horse. If you get the 227 mg tabs and quarter them, you can save a lot. Get a pill cutter from a local pharmacy, get the 227 mg tabs, quarter them, and save yourself some money. I'd stick to the recommended dose for an average horse if I were you.
Currently, I am quartering 227 tabs for my mare. She has a chronic injury, so I am going by my vets dosing instructions. I was just curious to how others are using it. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | FLITASTIC - 2016-06-08 8:50 PM skye - 2016-06-08 8:21 PM I have been told that Previcoxx is faster acting than Bute if you need something to get into the system fast. My vet and I agree , it's the exact opposite. Previcox takes 2-3 days. Bute is about 4 hours.
 I do have that backwards! Bute acts faster. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Bear - 2016-06-06 5:44 PM The preparation of Previcox (generic name = fibrocoxib) approved by the FDA for use in horses is Equioxx, which is the exact same thing as Previcox, except it costs about 7 times as much as Previcox for dogs. A 60 tablet bottle of 57 mg tabs of Previcox runs around $75. The ONLY reason Previcox is approved for dogs exclusively is because of some FDA rule that prohibits selling the medication when one is available that is made exclusively for horses, Equioxx. Now if you can make any sense of that, you are better than me. Previcox is tolerated better than Bute, with fewer side effects, especially GI. The vets claim you can give Previcox much more safely on a long term basis versus Bute. Interestingly, on a weight basis, horses require much less Previcox than dogs. I'm guessing that's because the metabolism differs a lot. 57 mg is a good dose for an average sized horse. You can either buy 57 mg tablets, or the stronger 227 mg tablets and quarter them. If you get the 227 mg tabs, the cost is much less. You can save roughly another 50% if you are willing to quarter the 227 mg tabs. Get a pill cutter at a pharmacy. They are cheap, easy to use, and more precise. Do NOT give Bute, Banamine, or Previcox at the same time. Use one or the other, and if you switch, allow 3-4 days for it to washout, before starting a different NSAID, or you run the risk of kidney damage.
Here is an article explaining this a little better for you Bear :) http://irongateequine.com/previcox-vs-equioxx/
Article is very short but has some great points as to why this certain Clinic doesn't prescribe Previcox.
The article is worth a read.
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