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| My 5 year old, whom I let pick his own speed and was never pushed, competed very well and was successful as a 4 year old. Beginning his 5 year old year is when the challenges began.  I immediately assumed he was sore or had injured himself, no perfect colt is going to go backwards that much in their training. The best lameness vets all cleared him as sound. He is on a great ulcer prevent supplement and is in perfect health. I went and rode with a very well known trainer who has trained many top horses and still does, currently in the top 15 in the WPRA and has been there several years now. SHe just so happens to be running a horse that is bred almost identical to my colt. Same sire/Dams are sisters. She rode my horse for 3 hours and did an awesome job showing me some new things to work on and explained that her horse, when he was a colt same age, did the EXACT same stuff my colt is doing. She explained that certain bloodlines " Season" differently and at different times. Ours ( Mine and hers) just so happen to have a cross road where both bloodlines meet in the seasoning process. Mine is Dash Ta Fame/Mr. Jess Perry Bred. She explained that at first the DTF characteristics are what come out, easy to train, learn very quickly, very talented, consistent, hard workers. Then at about age 5, right when your just starting to ask for a lot of speed, entering bigger races with a lot of commotion, busy atmosphere, the Mr, Jess Perry comes out that is HOT, has a bit of an attitude/know it all/I know more than you do stage.  LOL SHe told me its going to take TWO YEARS and at the end of two years you are going to have a top notch horse that will go win and compete. I don't mind the two years and she badically told me step by step " THis is whats going to happen next" type of scenario. lol
So this got me to thinking, do any bloodlines out there tend to have similar stages they go through predictably as far as barrel training/seasoning goes?? SHe also explained that a lot of trainers would not be willing to give it the 2 years for whatever reason, and that these horses often get culled and or blown up. But she assured me, give it time and you will be in the winners circle. I love a challenge. Anyone else? |
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Location: Lost in the corn of Iowa. | I would love to hear the answers that are given. My friend is going through something kinda similar but hers is a La Jolla's Gold gelding that's 13, he was hardly hauled for 8 years. And he works beautifully, but isn't consistent. Kinda like it's on his own terms sort of deal. She is very frustrated. Went from running a 13.9 over the holiday to a 16.2 this past weekend. I wonder if it's sort of a similar situation with her as well. Good post. |
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Location: WI | Generally (in the loosest possible way) speaking, there are certain bloodlines that have trends. But, I think there are many other factors that come into play over bloodlines. |
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| Super interesting. I have often pondered nature vs. nurture with horses. How predictable can we breed them to be. How much of our handling with affect them. Wishing you the best in seasoning. Keep us posted. |
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| Girls_Gotta_Jet - 2016-06-06 11:05 AM
I would love to hear the answers that are given. My friend is going through something kinda similar but hers is a La Jolla's Gold gelding that's 13, he was hardly hauled for 8 years. And he works beautifully, but isn't consistent. Kinda like it's on his own terms sort of deal. She is very frustrated. Went from running a 13.9 over the holiday to a 16.2 this past weekend. I wonder if it's sort of a similar situation with her as well. Good post.
Yes, similar and I am a psychologist/teacher by profession and Nature/nurture is a huge component. With these horses ( Especially mine) I could see , in the wrong hands, he could be blown up pretty quick. After talking a while during my lesson, if my colt was a futurity horse last year ( as a 4 year old) he would have been phenominal!! THen probably sold and the next owner would be dealing with this process and everyone would probably say " Oh, he was a futurity horse, probably got blown up, asked for to much to fast". When in reality it wasn't this at all. I am glad I have all the tools in my tool box now. lol  Its not like I can't run him for 2 years, I just have to watch for certain things and most of all maintain control. He was a " Push style" had to make sure you were at your spot all 4 year old year. LOL Now he is a FREE RUNNING freight train to the first barrel but then is still push style to 2,3. |
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Location: Texas...where dreams come true | I would love to get some info on Corona horses. I'm dealing with one at the moment. |
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Location: Lost in the corn of Iowa. | This past weekend, on Friday she had to ride the hide off of him just to get him around any barrel. Then on Saturday he was push style to 1st n 2nd and so she figured she'd have to drive him deep into 3rd...nope to the fence he went because he was a free runner into 3rd. Sunday it was like he was out for a Sunday ride. She was beyond frustrated with him. She just threw up her hands like how do I even know how to ride this dang horse, he's so different from one day to the next!! I really felt badly for her. |
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| Canchaser1420 - 2016-06-06 1:54 PM
I would love to get some info on Corona horses. I'm dealing with one at the moment.
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| I havn't ridden much besides cow horses, but my experience is JOH's are a piece of cake! Teach them something once, and they get it. Mine is not spooky, and shows up and is ready to work. Super super easy! I want another one! |
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| gypsykalgirl - 2016-06-06 7:32 PM
I havn't ridden much besides cow horses, but my experience is JOH's are a piece of cake! Teach them something once, and they get it. Mine is not spooky, and shows up and is ready to work. Super super easy! I want another one!
yOU better find you a JOH quickly ... since he passed away in 1996 ... just finding a daughter for breeding is tuff to do ...
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| I agree with this ^^ my 5yo gelding out of JOH daughter has been a piece of cake and all his maternal siblings as well. He's super nice I wish I had come across him a few years prior as were expecting our first baby in July so no riding for awhile :( I will definitely be looking for a JOH daughter or a gdaughter for my program after this ! |
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Location: Piedmont, OK | I have a JOH daughter and have 3 grands. Love them!!!! Truly my favorite bloodline of all time. I have crossed her on Streak of Fling and Streaking ta Fame and she is currently bred to Traffic Guy. I also have an Honors Abounding mare. she just had a PC Frosty Bid colt and is bred to Best Advice for next year! |
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Location: New Mexico | Having very similar issues with my 6 yo DTF/Smooth Bugs. It's like she's going through a toddler phase. Very hot and throws temper tantrums that seem to be in attempt to intimidate me. This is my first DTF horse, but this is seeming to be very challenging and makes me wonder if we'll ever get out of this phase.  |
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| I think certain bloodlines definitely have trends that fall more in the "nature" category. Special Leader is one. I have a son out of a FDD daughter and a friend of mine has a son out of a different FDD daughter. THEY ARE THE SAME HORSE. Literally every quirk and insecurity (and there are a lot). They are smart, they want so so bad to please you but their brains are always in overdrive and they constantly need reassurance they are doing it right and don't even think about getting an attitude with them.
I also have a 4 year old by a son of Royal Quick Dash out of a daughter of Special Leader. Not only does he display the Special Leader phenotype and look just like the two geldings I talked about above, he acts just like them too. I am taking a different approach with him that involves tons of variety and just slow and steady in the hopes that his skill set will be as solid as the other two but that he will have more built in confidence. Hopefully it works because the two sons, as nice as they are, lack consistency and are either hot or they are really not and with their talent that's a shame. |
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| soonergirl98 - 2016-06-07 10:57 AM
I have a JOH daughter and have 3 grands. Love them!!!! Truly my favorite bloodline of all time. I have crossed her on Streak of Fling and Streaking ta Fame and she is currently bred to Traffic Guy. I also have an Honors Abounding mare. she just had a PC Frosty Bid colt and is bred to Best Advice for next year!
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| I've seen a lot of dtf horses here. I've talked to many owners of own get and they are all described as "hot". They are so smart and athletic and I think this lends to the pressuring of one and then to the "blow up" after futurity years. You don't see very many running/competing either as older horses. |
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Location: So. Cali. | I think just about every horse I've started and seasoned goes thru the stage of "I know what I'm doing stop helping me". I usually let them realize they really have no idea what they're doing still but sending them thru and not helping them, at all. Maybe it's time to switch things up? Go to some team sorting/penning, trail rides, etc.
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| Three*C*Champs - 2016-06-08 8:18 AM
I think just about every horse I've started and seasoned goes thru the stage of "I know what I'm doing stop helping me". I usually let them realize they really have no idea what they're doing still but sending them thru and not helping them, at all. Maybe it's time to switch things up? Go to some team sorting/penning, trail rides, etc.
He is trail ridden 6 days a week and as for cattle, ummmmm would love to but to him they are horse eating devils coming for him. LOL |
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Location: North of where I want to be | I have a No Mas Corona that fits what Roo said to a T!
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Location: MD | iloveequine40 - 2016-06-07 6:12 PM
I've seen a lot of dtf horses here. I've talked to many owners of own get and they are all described as "hot". They are so smart and athletic and I think this lends to the pressuring of one and then to the "blow up" after futurity years. You don't see very many running/competing either as older horses.
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Location: Smack in the middle of WA! | Tn_Barrelracer - 2016-06-07 3:33 PM
soonergirl98 - 2016-06-07 10:57 AM
I have a JOH daughter and have 3 grands. Love them!!!! Truly my favorite bloodline of all time. I have crossed her on Streak of Fling and Streaking ta Fame and she is currently bred to Traffic Guy. I also have an Honors Abounding mare. she just had a PC Frosty Bid colt and is bred to Best Advice for next year!
I want a Honors Abounding so bad !
I have 2 mares being bred to Honors right now! Peggy is super easy to work with and I can't wait for my babies next year! These are the 2 mares that are being bred to him:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/raren+to+zoom
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/quincysfrenchcalibur |
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| My DTF has been a breeze to train- show him something once and consider it learned. There's nothing hot about him, he is so laid back. He has been the easiest horse so far. Is this typical?
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| Tn_Barrelracer - 2016-06-07 3:33 PM
soonergirl98 - 2016-06-07 10:57 AM
I have a JOH daughter and have 3 grands. Love them!!!! Truly my favorite bloodline of all time. I have crossed her on Streak of Fling and Streaking ta Fame and she is currently bred to Traffic Guy. I also have an Honors Abounding mare. she just had a PC Frosty Bid colt and is bred to Best Advice for next year!
I want a Honors Abounding so bad !
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" Seasoning" certain bloodlines.....