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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I like the Mustang Sally cubes better. I found my horse did better on them then he is on the Omnis Cubes. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | classicpotatochip - 2016-06-08 12:45 AM I switched to Hay Rite after I found out Danco is cubing baled hay. I had some bags the horses just wouldn't eat, I think it had prob been rained on. I've been super pleased with HayRite, they cube in the field and everyone here cleans up every speck!
Both are good products and your info is not entirely correct.
But again, both good products.
Tdove will be along shortly to tell you why Danco is the "ONLY" product that is not going to cause the cataclysmic end of the world as we know it.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | My only experience is I bought a horse that was on Omnis, so the seller sent a bag home with me. He didn't want to eat them, and picked for 2 days, letting the donkey have most of what I fed and choosing instead to eat grass hay, until I started putting a handful of rice bran in with them. Then he cleaned his bucket and started talking and pawing at feeding time. They look and smell fine--since that's what he had been eating, I don't know what the deal was. He looked great on them. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Three 4 Luck - 2016-06-08 7:03 AM My only experience is I bought a horse that was on Omnis, so the seller sent a bag home with me. He didn't want to eat them, and picked for 2 days, letting the donkey have most of what I fed and choosing instead to eat grass hay, until I started putting a handful of rice bran in with them. Then he cleaned his bucket and started talking and pawing at feeding time. They look and smell fine--since that's what he had been eating, I don't know what the deal was. He looked great on them.
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Location: Beggs, OK | GoMistyGo - 2016-06-06 8:44 PM I'm not sure my horses are doing as good on Omnis cubes as I have expected... Is it just me?!
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Location: Kansas | 1DSoon - 2016-06-08 7:00 AM classicpotatochip - 2016-06-08 12:45 AM I switched to Hay Rite after I found out Danco is cubing baled hay. I had some bags the horses just wouldn't eat, I think it had prob been rained on. I've been super pleased with HayRite, they cube in the field and everyone here cleans up every speck! Both are good products and your info is not entirely correct.
But again, both good products.
Tdove will be along shortly to tell you why Danco is the "ONLY" product that is not going to cause the cataclysmic end of the world as we know it.
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Location: Beggs, OK | classicpotatochip - 2016-06-07 11:45 PM I switched to Hay Rite after I found out Danco is cubing baled hay. I had some bags the horses just wouldn't eat, I think it had prob been rained on. I've been super pleased with HayRite, they cube in the field and everyone here cleans up every speck!
The field cubing thing still intrigues me... Has anyone ever seen this process? I know that's what they claim, but wouldn't that be a great marketing tool if that's truly what they do? I've asked several times and have never been provided with any sort of proof...seems odd that someone around there doesn't have a camera phone. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 10:11 AM classicpotatochip - 2016-06-07 11:45 PM I switched to Hay Rite after I found out Danco is cubing baled hay. I had some bags the horses just wouldn't eat, I think it had prob been rained on. I've been super pleased with HayRite, they cube in the field and everyone here cleans up every speck! The field cubing thing still intrigues me... Has anyone ever seen this process? I know that's what they claim, but wouldn't that be a great marketing tool if that's truly what they do? I've asked several times and have never been provided with any sort of proof...seems odd that someone around there doesn't have a camera phone.
why would they need to prove it to you?
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Location: Piedmont, OK | My horses are on Chaffehaye but I have one that refuses to eat it. I got Omnis cubes and she won't eat them either. She is a PITA. She will eat just about anything with a little Karo syrup on it. I guess she has a sweet tooth.  |
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Location: Willows, CA | On the field cube process, I would love to see how they take the flax and oats out to the cube equipment and blend that in proper ratios in the field. That must be quite a process and a video would be a great selling point. |
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| rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 9:11 AM classicpotatochip - 2016-06-07 11:45 PM I switched to Hay Rite after I found out Danco is cubing baled hay. I had some bags the horses just wouldn't eat, I think it had prob been rained on. I've been super pleased with HayRite, they cube in the field and everyone here cleans up every speck! The field cubing thing still intrigues me... Has anyone ever seen this process? I know that's what they claim, but wouldn't that be a great marketing tool if that's truly what they do? I've asked several times and have never been provided with any sort of proof...seems odd that someone around there doesn't have a camera phone.
Several hay growers here chop the hay and then run it straight into the cuber. Some of the others run a pile of baled hay into the cuber. I assume that they are refering to the first method. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | winwillows - 2016-06-08 11:42 AM On the field cube process, I would love to see how they take the flax and oats out to the cube equipment and blend that in proper ratios in the field. That must be quite a process and a video would be a great selling point.
Hayrite claims to cube in the field. Danco never has...Hayrite doesn't make a complete cube, yet. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | 1DSoon - 2016-06-08 10:04 AM
rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 10:11 AM classicpotatochip - 2016-06-07 11:45 PM I switched to Hay Rite after I found out Danco is cubing baled hay. I had some bags the horses just wouldn't eat, I think it had prob been rained on. I've been super pleased with HayRite, they cube in the field and everyone here cleans up every speck! The field cubing thing still intrigues me... Has anyone ever seen this process? I know that's what they claim, but wouldn't that be a great marketing tool if that's truly what they do? I've asked several times and have never been provided with any sort of proof...seems odd that someone around there doesn't have a camera phone.
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winwillows - 2016-06-08 11:42 AM On the field cube process, I would love to see how they take the flax and oats out to the cube equipment and blend that in proper ratios in the field. That must be quite a process and a video would be a great selling point.
Hayrite claims to cube in the field. Danco never has...Hayrite doesn't make a complete cube, yet.
yes they do.
Need to learn your comp better if your going to make claims.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 11:46 AM 1DSoon - 2016-06-08 10:04 AM rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 10:11 AM classicpotatochip - 2016-06-07 11:45 PM I switched to Hay Rite after I found out Danco is cubing baled hay. I had some bags the horses just wouldn't eat, I think it had prob been rained on. I've been super pleased with HayRite, they cube in the field and everyone here cleans up every speck! The field cubing thing still intrigues me... Has anyone ever seen this process? I know that's what they claim, but wouldn't that be a great marketing tool if that's truly what they do? I've asked several times and have never been provided with any sort of proof...seems odd that someone around there doesn't have a camera phone.
If it's such a selling point, Jordan...then why wouldn't they want to show it to everyone?
Maybe their method is patented and would be none of your business....... |
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| NJJ - 2016-06-08 11:51 AM
rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 11:46 AM 1DSoon - 2016-06-08 10:04 AM rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 10:11 AM classicpotatochip - 2016-06-07 11:45 PM I switched to Hay Rite after I found out Danco is cubing baled hay. I had some bags the horses just wouldn't eat, I think it had prob been rained on. I've been super pleased with HayRite, they cube in the field and everyone here cleans up every speck! The field cubing thing still intrigues me... Has anyone ever seen this process? I know that's what they claim, but wouldn't that be a great marketing tool if that's truly what they do? I've asked several times and have never been provided with any sort of proof...seems odd that someone around there doesn't have a camera phone.
If it's such a selling point, Jordan...then why wouldn't they want to show it to everyone?
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rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 11:46 AM 1DSoon - 2016-06-08 10:04 AM rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 10:11 AM classicpotatochip - 2016-06-07 11:45 PM I switched to Hay Rite after I found out Danco is cubing baled hay. I had some bags the horses just wouldn't eat, I think it had prob been rained on. I've been super pleased with HayRite, they cube in the field and everyone here cleans up every speck! The field cubing thing still intrigues me... Has anyone ever seen this process? I know that's what they claim, but wouldn't that be a great marketing tool if that's truly what they do? I've asked several times and have never been provided with any sort of proof...seems odd that someone around there doesn't have a camera phone.
If it's such a selling point, Jordan...then why wouldn't they want to show it to everyone?
???? what else do you do with your time other than stalking the Internet waiting on someone to be hateful to? |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I sure like the size and how it is easy for my horse to break up the cubes. I tried the ones from Colorado and they were way too hard plus they were about $3.00 more per bag.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | winwillows - 2016-06-08 11:42 AM On the field cube process, I would love to see how they take the flax and oats out to the cube equipment and blend that in proper ratios in the field. That must be quite a process and a video would be a great selling point.
I wondered the same thing when browsing their product line. I can see cubing in the field for straight alfalfa, but I can't figure out how they would get the other stuff in there that way. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 11:58 AM NJJ - 2016-06-08 11:51 AM rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 11:46 AM 1DSoon - 2016-06-08 10:04 AM rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 10:11 AM classicpotatochip - 2016-06-07 11:45 PM I switched to Hay Rite after I found out Danco is cubing baled hay. I had some bags the horses just wouldn't eat, I think it had prob been rained on. I've been super pleased with HayRite, they cube in the field and everyone here cleans up every speck! The field cubing thing still intrigues me... Has anyone ever seen this process? I know that's what they claim, but wouldn't that be a great marketing tool if that's truly what they do? I've asked several times and have never been provided with any sort of proof...seems odd that someone around there doesn't have a camera phone.
If it's such a selling point, Jordan...then why wouldn't they want to show it to everyone? ???? what else do you do with your time other than stalking the Internet waiting on someone to be hateful to?
Same to you, ******* ......I just commented that IF their method IS PATENTED then it WOULD not...... nor COULD NOT be your business....that is THE main reason WHY COMPANYS patent processes and methods..... SO STUFF IT !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2016-06-08 12:22 PM
winwillows - 2016-06-08 11:42 AM On the field cube process, I would love to see how they take the flax and oats out to the cube equipment and blend that in proper ratios in the field. That must be quite a process and a video would be a great selling point.
I wondered the same thing when browsing their product line. I can see cubing in the field for straight alfalfa, but I can't figure out how they would get the other stuff in there that way.
HayRite mixes in oat hay, rather than adding oats. My appendix horse gets a little rice bran, but my others don't need it. The oats they're getting in the mix seems to be doing the trick.
I didn't like all the 2" shredded baling twine in Danco. The horses eat the twine with everything else. I didn't care for the concept and switched
Edited to add: I REALLY love not having to feed grain!!
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Location: Oklahoma | NJJ - 2016-06-08 1:02 PM
rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 11:58 AM NJJ - 2016-06-08 11:51 AM rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 11:46 AM 1DSoon - 2016-06-08 10:04 AM rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 10:11 AM classicpotatochip - 2016-06-07 11:45 PM I switched to Hay Rite after I found out Danco is cubing baled hay. I had some bags the horses just wouldn't eat, I think it had prob been rained on. I've been super pleased with HayRite, they cube in the field and everyone here cleans up every speck! The field cubing thing still intrigues me... Has anyone ever seen this process? I know that's what they claim, but wouldn't that be a great marketing tool if that's truly what they do? I've asked several times and have never been provided with any sort of proof...seems odd that someone around there doesn't have a camera phone.
If it's such a selling point, Jordan...then why wouldn't they want to show it to everyone? ???? what else do you do with your time other than stalking the Internet waiting on someone to be hateful to?
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | TwistedK - 2016-06-08 1:07 PM NJJ - 2016-06-08 1:02 PM rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 11:58 AM NJJ - 2016-06-08 11:51 AM rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 11:46 AM 1DSoon - 2016-06-08 10:04 AM rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 10:11 AM classicpotatochip - 2016-06-07 11:45 PM I switched to Hay Rite after I found out Danco is cubing baled hay. I had some bags the horses just wouldn't eat, I think it had prob been rained on. I've been super pleased with HayRite, they cube in the field and everyone here cleans up every speck! The field cubing thing still intrigues me... Has anyone ever seen this process? I know that's what they claim, but wouldn't that be a great marketing tool if that's truly what they do? I've asked several times and have never been provided with any sort of proof...seems odd that someone around there doesn't have a camera phone.
If it's such a selling point, Jordan...then why wouldn't they want to show it to everyone? ???? what else do you do with your time other than stalking the Internet waiting on someone to be hateful to? aren't you being the snippy ***** today???
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | GLP - 2016-06-08 9:56 AM NJJ - 2016-06-08 11:51 AM rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 11:46 AM 1DSoon - 2016-06-08 10:04 AM rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 10:11 AM classicpotatochip - 2016-06-07 11:45 PM I switched to Hay Rite after I found out Danco is cubing baled hay. I had some bags the horses just wouldn't eat, I think it had prob been rained on. I've been super pleased with HayRite, they cube in the field and everyone here cleans up every speck! The field cubing thing still intrigues me... Has anyone ever seen this process? I know that's what they claim, but wouldn't that be a great marketing tool if that's truly what they do? I've asked several times and have never been provided with any sort of proof...seems odd that someone around there doesn't have a camera phone.
If it's such a selling point, Jordan...then why wouldn't they want to show it to everyone? As a consumer I feel like it is my business.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | classicpotatochip - 2016-06-08 1:03 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-06-08 12:22 PM winwillows - 2016-06-08 11:42 AM On the field cube process, I would love to see how they take the flax and oats out to the cube equipment and blend that in proper ratios in the field. That must be quite a process and a video would be a great selling point. I wondered the same thing when browsing their product line. I can see cubing in the field for straight alfalfa, but I can't figure out how they would get the other stuff in there that way. HayRite mixes in oat hay, rather than adding oats. My appendix horse gets a little rice bran, but my others don't need it. The oats they're getting in the mix seems to be doing the trick. I didn't like all the 2" shredded baling twine in Danco. The horses eat the twine with everything else. I didn't care for the concept and switched Edited to add: I REALLY love not having to feed grain!!
That's what I thought, but their website says this:
SUPERIOR GRADE PREMIUM ALFALFA/OAT MINI CUBES
APPROVED FOR ALL CLASSES OF LIVESTOCK
GUARANTEED ANALYSIS
CRUDE PROTEIN NO LESS THAN 15.0 %
CRUDE FAT NO LESS THAN 2.0 %
CRUDE FIBER NO MORE THAN 25.0 %
MOISTURE NO MORE THAN 12.0 %
INGREDIENTS:
SUN-CURED ALFALFA HAY AND OATS
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Location: Beggs, OK | Three 4 Luck - 2016-06-08 2:34 PM classicpotatochip - 2016-06-08 1:03 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-06-08 12:22 PM winwillows - 2016-06-08 11:42 AM On the field cube process, I would love to see how they take the flax and oats out to the cube equipment and blend that in proper ratios in the field. That must be quite a process and a video would be a great selling point. I wondered the same thing when browsing their product line. I can see cubing in the field for straight alfalfa, but I can't figure out how they would get the other stuff in there that way. HayRite mixes in oat hay, rather than adding oats. My appendix horse gets a little rice bran, but my others don't need it. The oats they're getting in the mix seems to be doing the trick. I didn't like all the 2" shredded baling twine in Danco. The horses eat the twine with everything else. I didn't care for the concept and switched Edited to add: I REALLY love not having to feed grain!!
SUPERIOR GRADE PREMIUM ALFALFA/OAT MINI CUBES
APPROVED FOR ALL CLASSES OF LIVESTOCK
GUARANTEED ANALYSIS
CRUDE PROTEIN NO LESS THAN 15.0 %
CRUDE FAT NO LESS THAN 2.0 %
CRUDE FIBER NO MORE THAN 25.0 %
MOISTURE NO MORE THAN 12.0 %
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SUN-CURED ALFALFA HAY AND OATS
Which makes it sound like they're putting actual oats in the product.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Standlee, on the other hand, makes it clear that it's oat hay.
Naturally Sun-Cured Premium Western Alfalfa Forage, Naturally Sun-Cured Premium Western Oat Forage, Bentonite |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | classicpotatochip - 2016-06-08 2:53 PM I talked to a HayRite representative at the company's phone number and he directly stated that it's oat hay added in the field. So that's all I know.
They need to tweak their ingredient list to be more clear then. I hate inaccurate labels, and their statement about truth in labeling is kind of ironic under the circumstances. I do love that they support American farmers. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 3:18 PM
I love to support locally grown and American made products...but locally milled feed cost me more than just money and the most recent case of blister beetle poisoning is traced back to Colorado grown alfalfa.
I've been following that! It's awful. You expect Colorado to be dry and safe, but that's obviously not always the case. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Three 4 Luck - 2016-06-08 4:25 PM rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 3:18 PM I love to support locally grown and American made products...but locally milled feed cost me more than just money and the most recent case of blister beetle poisoning is traced back to Colorado grown alfalfa. I've been following that! It's awful. You expect Colorado to be dry and safe, but that's obviously not always the case.
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Tdove - 2016-06-08 3:36 PM
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Pretty clear.
The tag is clear, the marketing is not, as it is the only mention of "hay" in marketing. Also, field cubers are obsolete and not in use today. Almost all cubing companies locate their stationary cuber at or very near the hay fields. "All" also cube hay. Both cubes are quality products (I have never said otherwise) but the same, they are absolutely not.
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Location: Willows, CA | I guess I misspoke. I thought that there was also Flax in Omnis. Since you can't get them in California I don't pay as much attention as I should. I do have customers feeding both Renew Gold and Omnis and liking the result a lot. That would be a nice diet with coastal hay or pasture. I still think a video would be a good sales tool for the cubes if mixing ingredients happens in the field. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | winwillows - 2016-06-08 5:32 PM I guess I misspoke. I thought that there was also Flax in Omnis. Since you can't get them in California I don't pay as much attention as I should. I do have customers feeding both Renew Gold and Omnis and liking the result a lot. That would be a nice diet with coastal hay or pasture. I still think a video would be a good sales tool for the cubes if mixing ingredients happens in the field.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Tdove - 2016-06-08 4:51 PM classicpotatochip - 2016-06-08 3:41 PM Tdove - 2016-06-08 3:36 PM Feed Tag Pretty clear. The tag is clear, the marketing is not, as it is the only mention of "hay" in marketing. Also, field cubers are obsolete and not in use today. Almost all cubing companies locate their stationary cuber at or very near the hay fields. "All" also cube hay. Both cubes are quality products (I have never said otherwise ) but the same, they are absolutely not.
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1) A person that has nothing better to do with their time than troll threads and point out every little thing they feel another poster has said that is wrong and needs correcting.
2) A person that likes to say things that on the surface look innocent. But they are actually being condescending and rude because they feel most posters on BHW are stupid and beneath them in the intelligence department.
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| 1DSoon - 2016-06-08 7:30 PM
Tdove - 2016-06-08 4:51 PM classicpotatochip - 2016-06-08 3:41 PM Tdove - 2016-06-08 3:36 PM Feed Tag Pretty clear. The tag is clear, the marketing is not, as it is the only mention of "hay" in marketing. Also, field cubers are obsolete and not in use today. Almost all cubing companies locate their stationary cuber at or very near the hay fields. "All" also cube hay. Both cubes are quality products (I have never said otherwise ) but the same, they are absolutely not.
I think Tdove was indicating that Omnis and HayRite are different, not Standlee and HayRite. Standlee and HayRite are the same I think, though Standlee is mainly Idaho based and HayRite Utah based.
I'm on my computer rather than posting from my phone, so I'll go into more detail. If you read to the end, you can get yourself a cookie.
To my understanding, Omnis has whole oats and flax seed mixed in with cubes made from baled hay. (I think it's baled on my experience of all the shredded and cubed hay twines, not sure why someone indicated that my information isn't correct)
HayRite's representative on the phone at the main number given said that their hay is cubed in the field, and is comprised of fresh alfalfa and oat hay.
I'm not sure if Standlee cubes in the field, or if they are using baled hay. I haven't ever come across hay twines in Standlee's cubes, so no experience there.
I've used Top of the Rockies cubes from Colorado, and fed whole oats and flax oil, to try to emulate Danco's percentages. My horses did great on that program, which I was using when I couldn't get HayRite or Omnis.
For convenience and because I didn't want to use Omnis, I chose HayRite.
I grew up in southwestern Wyoming, and we rarely need to feed horses grain there. Good alfalfa costs about $100 a ton, and it was free from Dad's field. I really like the alfalfa from that region, and have been pleased with my results from HayRite. Flavors of home, as it were.
Someone mentioned that hay cubing in the field is obsolete, well, for whom? I agree that the big companies obviously aren't using this method, it wouldn't be cost efficient, but there are machines out there for just this method. I have friends that dread hay chopping and cubing time.
Anyhow, Misty, to answer your question better, I wasn't happy with Omnis, and switched to HayRite.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | 1DSoon - 2016-06-08 2:47 PM The analysis is darn near identical.
Seems same/same but that wouldn't fit the narrative
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | oats or oat hay
the analysis is the same, so the analysis is the same.
Just like others that are trying to sell shat to folks on this site Tdove and RG attempt to besmirch another product, either overtly or blatantly when in fact they are both pretty much the same product with a different color bag. |
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| Question for TDove: on a previous thread you stated eating cubes is better for their teeth/chewing/digestion than baled alfalfa. Why?? |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | rodeomom3 - 2016-06-09 7:57 AM
Question for TDove: on a previous thread you stated eating cubes is better for their teeth/chewing/digestion than baled alfalfa. Why??
because he doesn't sell hay
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | What's this business about twine in these various cubes?
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Bear - 2016-06-09 9:20 AM What's this business about twine in these various cubes?
People have experienced pieces of twine in their cubes. I personally have in Canadian Cubes (in a white bag at Tractor Supply). I have not had them in my Standlee cubes which I use now. I use them because it is convenient even though it costs me $2/bag more.
I have no experience with Omnis cubes, other then a sample and the quality was great in it. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | 3canstorun - 2016-06-09 8:29 AM Bear - 2016-06-09 9:20 AM What's this business about twine in these various cubes? People have experienced pieces of twine in their cubes. I personally have in Canadian Cubes (in a white bag at Tractor Supply ). I have not had them in my Standlee cubes which I use now. I use them because it is convenient even though it costs me $2/bag more.
I have no experience with Omnis cubes, other then a sample and the quality was great in it.
I've seen twine in Standlee cubes. |
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Location: Texas | I just can't get on the cube bandwagon. If a horse eats his cube ration in < 2 hours, what is going on in the digestive system the other 10 hours or until the next feeding? Horses digestive systems were made to be grazers, eating small bites/amounts throughout the day/night. We all know how quickly ulcers can form with nothing in the stomach, and how quickly boredom vices can start. Yes, the horse is "full" after his cube meal, may even leave some cubes left over, but is this feeding method what is best for the overall digestive system? I would love to see a study done on what is happening in the digestive system on this type of feeding routine.  |
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| I fed omnis for several months and loved it. Horses looked phenomenal and the quality of the cubes was 2nd to none. I haven't been able to feed them since I moved and no longer have a barn to keep horses seperated at feeding time. I own a choker and he's bad about bolting and being a pig, eating with the other horses. I do have a dealer close to me and as soon as I get my barn built I'm definitely going back to feeding them as my sole ration. |
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| I found a small piece of twine in Standlee and the other brand they sell down here, can't remember the brand. I have not found any twine in my Omnis or Mustang Sally cubes so far in almost a year feeding it. But even in my baled hay I will find a small stray strand of twine in it. I prefer my hay baled with wire, but only one guy uses wire any more here and thankfully he bales like my dad did when he was making square bales- heavy and tightly packed. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I haven't used cubes but have considered it. I'm trying to learn something from this thread and it sounds a lot like one of those threads where people debate which pickup is superior. We have Omnis, Hay Rite, Mustang Sally (my favorite because I like the song), Bryant, Danco, and Standlee. Have I missed any? Like so many other threads, I'm always asking myself who, among the posters, is a seller or dealer.
To my way of thinking, it sounds like there isn't a heck of a lot of difference between most of these, assuming the assays on the tags are correct. Assuming my horses would probably eat them all, the only other things to consider is availability and cost. I haven't learned much about cost from this. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | TBone - 2016-06-09 8:45 AM I just can't get on the cube bandwagon. If a horse eats his cube ration in < 2 hours, what is going on in the digestive system the other 10 hours or until the next feeding? Horses digestive systems were made to be grazers, eating small bites/amounts throughout the day/night. We all know how quickly ulcers can form with nothing in the stomach, and how quickly boredom vices can start. Yes, the horse is "full" after his cube meal, may even leave some cubes left over, but is this feeding method what is best for the overall digestive system? I would love to see a study done on what is happening in the digestive system on this type of feeding routine.
I'm feeding alfalfa cubes or pellets and stabilized rice bran in place of grain, not instead of hay/pasture. It's hard to get alfalfa hay here, I can't even get chaffhay anymore, so cubes and pellets it is. |
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| Bear - 2016-06-09 8:48 AM I haven't used cubes but have considered it. I'm trying to learn something from this thread and it sounds a lot like one of those threads where people debate which pickup is superior. We have Omnis, Hay Rite, Mustang Sally (my favorite because I like the song), Bryant, Danco, and Standlee. Have I missed any? Like so many other threads, I'm always asking myself who, among the posters, is a seller or dealer. To my way of thinking, it sounds like there isn't a heck of a lot of difference between most of these, assuming the assays on the tags are correct. Assuming my horses would probably eat them all, the only other things to consider is availability and cost. I haven't learned much about cost from this.
I was paying $13.50 for a 50 lb bag of Omnis. I paid the same for Hayrite, preferred the Omnis over Hayrite, MUCH softer, didn't have to water to soften. Cubes are more convenient if traveling, but I don't overnight much anymore. I can get 120 lb baled alfalfa for $23 and they don't waste any with the new hay feeders. |
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Location: Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2016-06-09 8:52 AM TBone - 2016-06-09 8:45 AM I just can't get on the cube bandwagon. If a horse eats his cube ration in < 2 hours, what is going on in the digestive system the other 10 hours or until the next feeding? Horses digestive systems were made to be grazers, eating small bites/amounts throughout the day/night. We all know how quickly ulcers can form with nothing in the stomach, and how quickly boredom vices can start. Yes, the horse is "full" after his cube meal, may even leave some cubes left over, but is this feeding method what is best for the overall digestive system? I would love to see a study done on what is happening in the digestive system on this type of feeding routine.
Using cubes instead of grain I can DEFINATELY buy into!
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Location: Beggs, OK | TBone - 2016-06-09 8:45 AM I just can't get on the cube bandwagon. If a horse eats his cube ration in < 2 hours, what is going on in the digestive system the other 10 hours or until the next feeding? Horses digestive systems were made to be grazers, eating small bites/amounts throughout the day/night. We all know how quickly ulcers can form with nothing in the stomach, and how quickly boredom vices can start. Yes, the horse is "full" after his cube meal, may even leave some cubes left over, but is this feeding method what is best for the overall digestive system? I would love to see a study done on what is happening in the digestive system on this type of feeding routine.
My mare is on 100% cubes.
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | You guys are lucky to have that much variety.....i would like to try the omnis....but i doubt we will ever see them up here....we feed strictly cubes alfalfa grass mix is all we can get.....the quality of hay up here is the ****s so cubes are the best option.....M |
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Location: Texas | rachellyn80 - 2016-06-09 8:59 AM TBone - 2016-06-09 8:45 AM I just can't get on the cube bandwagon. If a horse eats his cube ration in < 2 hours, what is going on in the digestive system the other 10 hours or until the next feeding? Horses digestive systems were made to be grazers, eating small bites/amounts throughout the day/night. We all know how quickly ulcers can form with nothing in the stomach, and how quickly boredom vices can start. Yes, the horse is "full" after his cube meal, may even leave some cubes left over, but is this feeding method what is best for the overall digestive system? I would love to see a study done on what is happening in the digestive system on this type of feeding routine.
we haven't treated anything for ulcers or EPM in over a year now
Again, would love to find a study on this feeding protocol. 
http://www.equinews.com/article/long-stem-vs-short-stem-forages
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Location: West Texas | 1DSoon - 2016-06-09 6:32 AM
oats or oat hay
the analysis is the same, so the analysis is the same.
Just like others that are trying to sell shat to folks on this site Tdove and RG attempt to besmirch another product, either overtly or blatantly when in fact they are both pretty much the same product with a different color bag.
Looking at protein, fat, fiber on a feed tag is a very poor way to compare and evaluate feeds. I tried this on my wife once. For our anniversary I took her for hotdogs instead of a steak.....even though they have the same basic analysis.
I could mix you up a feather meal, straw, and lard pellet that would match the analysis you are quoting. This is a fact.
Alfalfa and 10% oat hay (while a good forage cube), is not the same nutritionally as a Alfalfa, 15% oat grain, 2.5% flax cube. Just the energy value alone would be 10-15% higher, besides a host of other nutrient profile differences.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Tdove - 2016-06-09 10:20 AM 1DSoon - 2016-06-09 6:32 AM oats or oat hay
the analysis is the same, so the analysis is the same.
Just like others that are trying to sell shat to folks on this site Tdove and RG attempt to besmirch another product, either overtly or blatantly when in fact they are both pretty much the same product with a different color bag. Looking at protein, fat, fiber on a feed tag is a very poor way to compare and evaluate feeds. I tried this on my wife once. For our anniversary I took her for hotdogs instead of a steak.....even though they have the same basic analysis. I could mix you up a feather meal, straw, and lard pellet that would match the analysis you are quoting. This is a fact. Alfalfa and 10% oats (while a good forage cube ), is not the same nutritionally as a Alfalfa, 15% oat grain, 2.5% flax cube. Just the energy value alone would be 10-15% higher, besides a host of other nutrient profile differences.
Just keep on selling your goods, I'm sure there are enough sheeple to keep you in business.
Those of you that sell shat on here could learn from Winwillows.
Maybe that could be a side biz for him, teaching you folks how to market your goods without being a shill
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Location: West Texas | 1DSoon - 2016-06-09 7:02 AM
rodeomom3 - 2016-06-09 7:57 AM
Question for TDove: on a previous thread you stated eating cubes is better for their teeth/chewing/digestion than baled alfalfa. Why??
because he doesn't sell hay
Thank you for again showing your ignorance of me, my situation, and motives. I do indeed use hay and sell hay in addition to cubes. I daily feed about 35 head solely Omnis cubes and about 15 head solely baled hay. My horses are top performance horses and look and feel second to none. My wife trains professionally and is an elite AQHA trainer.
I feed Omnis first and sell secondly. I have never lied about my product or anyone else's. The information I give is as unbiased and truthful as I can possibly be. I believe Omnis is the best feed there is. I believe there are a lot of good feeds and you should feed what you think is best for you. I promote and sell Omnis because I think it is the best. I have no interest in promoting or selling ANYTHING that I don't feel the same way about. Anyone that has ever dealt with me can tell you that (which you have not). I have even helped people find and feed competitors products when Omnis was not available to them.
You are only here to cause trouble. It is sad that you find that so exciting.
To classicpotato, I am glad you found a product that best meets your needs and feeding preferences. I am sorry that you found twine in the cubes. Hayrite does not use field cubers. This is just the truth. My dad used to run field cubers. They don't make them anymore and they were not very good machines. Just the fact that Hayrite uses bentonite as a binder proves they are not using a field cuber. Also, you cannot mix in 10% oat hay with a field cuber either. They are cutting and drying the hay and transporting it to the same stationary cubing machine and facility that all cubing manufacturers are using. Hayrite is a good cube. I used to feed them before we decided to start our own company. I was unhappy with them for various reasons, one of which I had a horse break a tooth off with handfuls of rocks in every cube feeding. I assume they fixed that issue, as we will do the same with any twine in our cubes. Thank you for trying them and I respect and value your feedback.
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| Bear - 2016-06-09 7:20 AM
What's this business about twine in these various cubes?
While I can't speak for these particular companies, I do live in an area with a lot of feedlots so they grind hay. The machines don't really have a way to take the twine or net off very easily. It tends to gum the grinding machines up. Because of this they end up running some twine and/or netting through the grinder and it gets in the feed. I'm assuming the same applies to some cubes when they are using baled hay. They try to get the twine but sometimes it can fall through the cracks. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Thank you tfor the constructive feedback. I guess at the end of the day, we now learned yet again that all horses are different and what works for some will not work for others. ?My horses looked great on Standly cubes and Renew Gold, when I finally found an Omnis dealer I thought they would look even better. They don't, but they don't look bad either. May be they have just reached their genetic potential of awsomeness. Now it just comes down to my personal preference of either dealing with Tractor Suppluywho is always out of everything, or meeting up with the Omins dealer and waiting forever till my horses eat their rations. Toss up. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | SKM - 2016-06-09 9:49 AM
Bear - 2016-06-09 7:20 AM
What's this business about twine in these various cubes?
While I can't speak for these particular companies, I do live in an area with a lot of feedlots so they grind hay. The machines don't really have a way to take the twine or net off very easily. It tends to gum the grinding machines up. Because of this they end up running some twine and/or netting through the grinder and it gets in the feed. I'm assuming the same applies to some cubes when they are using baled hay. They try to get the twine but sometimes it can fall through the cracks.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I've also heard of instances where they found parts of snakes, lizards, frogs, skunks, rodents, and lizards in hay.....gasp! I'd sue the sumb!tch. |
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| GoMistyGo - 2016-06-09 9:55 AM
Thank you tfor the constructive feedback. I guess at the end of the day, we now learned yet again that all horses are different and what works for some will not work for others. ?My horses looked great on Standly cubes and Renew Gold, when I finally found an Omnis dealer I thought they would look even better. They don't, but they don't look bad either. May be they have just reached their genetic potential of awsomeness. Now it just comes down to my personal preference of either dealing with Tractor Suppluywho is always out of everything, or meeting up with the Omins dealer and waiting forever till my horses eat their rations. Toss up.
I am like you, my horses looked good before using the Omni cubes, there wasn't much room for improvement there. But the Omni cubes are soooo much easier for me to deal with in the mornings before work. I was going to TS for the cubes/pellets, then to another feed store for the flax and the oats, then mixing everything every feeding. I do have to travel to get my cubes, but I just buy for the month and then save gas and time for the rest of the month. Convenience won out. |
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| Bear - 2016-06-09 7:58 AM
I've also heard of instances where they found parts of snakes, lizards, frogs, skunks, rodents, and lizards in hay.....gasp! I'd sue the sumb!tch.
Oh yes, I remember popping open a bale with a huge dead snake in the middle of it.. I think I actually peed in my pants and I am a grown man. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Bear - 2016-06-09 9:58 AM I've also heard of instances where they found parts of snakes, lizards, frogs, skunks, rodents, and lizards in hay.....gasp! I'd sue the sumb!tch.
I went to mark (with spray paint) a cotton module one day, and what I thought was a tarp strap hanging out came to life and struck at me. Pretty sure I peed my pants. Can't believe that sucker survived the cotton picker spindles, but it did. Fun times... |
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Location: West Texas | Here are some pictures of some of my personal horses. The two year olds have never eaten anything other than mothers milk and Omnis. All of them get no other hay, grain, supplement, or mineral. All have been on this diet for over two years. We do not have or treat for ulcers and we haul all over routinely. Just the last couple of weeks, some of the horses pictured went to El Paso for 4 days, home for 3, then to OKC for 5, and back home with zero issues. The only feed we take are sacks of Omnis. A couple of these horses are cow horses and show in high stress and physically demanding environments. If this is being a shill then I guess I am. All pictures are with Iphone and no filter or anything like that. We also don't even use show sheen. That is my personal testimony and there are countless others. Danco receives praise from people daily.
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| TBone - 2016-06-09 9:09 AM rachellyn80 - 2016-06-09 8:59 AM TBone - 2016-06-09 8:45 AM I just can't get on the cube bandwagon. If a horse eats his cube ration in < 2 hours, what is going on in the digestive system the other 10 hours or until the next feeding? Horses digestive systems were made to be grazers, eating small bites/amounts throughout the day/night. We all know how quickly ulcers can form with nothing in the stomach, and how quickly boredom vices can start. Yes, the horse is "full" after his cube meal, may even leave some cubes left over, but is this feeding method what is best for the overall digestive system? I would love to see a study done on what is happening in the digestive system on this type of feeding routine.
we haven't treated anything for ulcers or EPM in over a year now
Again, would love to find a study on this feeding protocol.
http://www.equinews.com/article/long-stem-vs-short-stem-forages[/qu...
Hi guys - a few thoughts with this .... while alfalfa has been ancedotally linked and carries a high amount of calcium to buffer the stomach, there is very little scientific evidence proving that it prevents ulcers without the aid of a product like rantidine (or similar ). Link to article where they studied alfalfa in working horses and showed that it helped reduce the severity of the ulcers, but didn't heal or cure them: http://www.cabi.org/cabdirect/FullTextPDF/2008/20083097780.pdf . Also, EPM is a protozoan, and won't be affected by feeding alfalfa (or not ). I'm happy your horse is doing so well, rachellyn80, we all can relate to only wanting the best for our equines. Ok - so long stem and short stem forages, in general refers to how the forage is processed. Since cubed hay is ground where you can still see stems, it is considered long stem forage. Pellets are considered short stem in the equine world because they are processed and pelleted. So the basic process is to grind hay to super fine, make a mush out of it, and then run it through a pelleter. Make sense? However, in response to your question looking for a peer reviewed journal article "study" .... Here ya go. Yes this was in Sweeden, because you cannot find indpendent funding for behavior and feed studies in the US, our major funding sources revolve around viruses, bacteria, and other pathogens. It is still sound science and an interesting article to read. Long-stemmed vs. cut haylage in bales—Effects on fermentation, aerobic storage stability, equine eating behaviour and characteristics of equine faeces; Cecilia E. Müller, Animal Feed Science and Technology Volume 152, Issues 3–4, 6 August 2009, Pages 307–321LINK - http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0377840109001412Excerpt from the abstract - "In general, information on how different types of forages and forage treatments during harvest affect eating behaviour and digestion in horses is scarce in the published literature. A combined ensiling and feeding experiment was therefore conducted with the aim to compare fermentation and aerobic storage stability in cut and long-stemmed haylage bales, as well as effects of feeding cut and long-stemmed haylage on equine eating behaviour and on faecal characteristics (i.e. particle size distribution and chemical composition)."
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To classicpotato, I am glad you found a product that best meets your needs and feeding preferences. I am sorry that you found twine in the cubes. Hayrite does not use field cubers. This is just the truth. My dad used to run field cubers. They don't make them anymore and they were not very good machines. Just the fact that Hayrite uses bentonite as a binder proves they are not using a field cuber. Also, you cannot mix in 10% oat hay with a field cuber either. They are cutting and drying the hay and transporting it to the same stationary cubing machine and facility that all cubing manufacturers are using. Hayrite is a good cube. I used to feed them before we decided to start our own company. I was unhappy with them for various reasons, one of which I had a horse break a tooth off with handfuls of rocks in every cube feeding. I assume they fixed that issue, as we will do the same with any twine in our cubes. Thank you for trying them and I respect and value your feedback.
Thanks for your very polite return. Sure! If Danco can get their product cleaned of the worst of the twine, I'll feed them again. I must've gotten a really bad batch. I bought three pallets and it just felt like every bag was full of twine. Yes, it put me off. The barn where I am now is a dealer for HayRite, so it's easy, I just feed theirs and pay the difference.
I get back to Oklahoma, we'll have some dialogue about trading back over. The dealer is 10 minutes from the house, so that's easy and too convenient to dismiss.
Don't know about the field, not field cubing, really I don't care, just don't see much mystery about the concept. Really I also don't care where it gets cubed at, as long as the binder isn't full of sugar and the product isn't full of trash. I was only quoting what I was told by the manufacturer, so maybe anyone who wants to know can take it up with them. I do appreciate your input though.
You're the one that convinced me to get off the grain and go to the alfalfa/oat/flax route to begin with, and I'm no longer doctoring for ulcers, dealing with runny poop while hauling and racing, everyone is dappled out, and manes, tails, and feet grow like crazy. Thanks for that. You don't have to defend yourself to this camp. |
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Location: southeast Texas | Stanlee alfalfa pelets to mix in his supliments. Renew gold, and whole flax. 2 squirts of soy bean oil and mix. I feed top of the Rockies alfalfa cubes. 2 X day. One flake of alfalfa one time a day. Plus jigs hay.
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Location: wolverton,mn | Most people that start to use a product,love it and then sell it,are not becoming dealers to " make big bucks" . They love the product!
The horses I see pics of that feed their product,look super.
What I don't understand is this " shoot from the hip" mentality to be SO INCREDIBLY RUDE!
If a company has a patent and they spent the thousands to advertise that,why would they NOT back up their facts they claim? It's a reasonable request.
A slam and cheap shot made by NJJ was completely unnecessary when Rachel simply mentioned it would be interesting to see a picture. It's hard to want to go on here at all when that type of response is made in a seemingly simple thread.
Because I suspect someone will say " it's healthy to debate" I will say,you don't call someone a ***** in a " debate" . That's called rude,cheap and classless. |
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Location: West Texas | rodeomom3 - 2016-06-09 6:57 AM
Question for TDove: on a previous thread you stated eating cubes is better for their teeth/chewing/digestion than baled alfalfa. Why??
Teeth: I have been told by equine dentist that eating cubes helps keep teeth in better shape longer than baled hay. The reason for this is supposedly due to the way horses eat cubes. They break of the ends of the cubes with their front teeth, similarly to how they eat grass in a pasture environment. Secondly, because the hay is in smaller pieces they then have to chew the chopped hay in cubes more and this creates better, more even wear than baled hay.
Chewing/Digestion: As stated above, it is my experience and many others that cubes take longer to eat than comparable quantities of baled hay. This creates more acid buffering saliva and breaks down the already broken down chopped hay. It also more closely mimics natural grazing, by smaller, more steady consumption into the digestive system. That is the first part of the digestion answer, the second is that to increase digestibility particle size needs to increase (higher surface area) and passage through the digestive system needs to decrease in order to allow the fermentation process to become more efficient at extracting both calories and nutrients form forage. Because surface area is increased in cubes (smaller chopped pieces and more thorough mastication), cubes are more digestible than baled hay.
It is been my experience that cubes are approximately 25% more digestible than comparative type and quality of baled hay. This allows you to feed less, basically.
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Location: southeast Texas | My horse has never looked better on this diet. Before, if I didn't ride for three days, you had better lunge him the day before you rode him. ;). Now, I'm not scared to climb on him after two weeks of not being ridden. ( sometimes work gets in the way of riding ) |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | NJJ - 2016-06-07 12:51 PM rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 11:46 AM 1DSoon - 2016-06-08 10:04 AM rachellyn80 - 2016-06-08 10:11 AM classicpotatochip - 2016-06-07 11:45 PM I switched to Hay Rite after I found out Danco is cubing baled hay. I had some bags the horses just wouldn't eat, I think it had prob been rained on. I've been super pleased with HayRite, they cube in the field and everyone here cleans up every speck! The field cubing thing still intrigues me... Has anyone ever seen this process? I know that's what they claim, but wouldn't that be a great marketing tool if that's truly what they do? I've asked several times and have never been provided with any sort of proof...seems odd that someone around there doesn't have a camera phone.
If it's such a selling point, Jordan...then why wouldn't they want to show it to everyone?
Well here is this.....I googled.........How hay cubes are made.........
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Location: Beggs, OK | Three 4 Luck - 2016-06-09 11:26 AM Just a note about the EPM thing. If the horse is eating clean feed with no protozoan contamination, that would make a difference. God knows what pees on my stacked hay...
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Location: Beggs, OK | TBone - 2016-06-09 9:09 AM rachellyn80 - 2016-06-09 8:59 AM TBone - 2016-06-09 8:45 AM I just can't get on the cube bandwagon. If a horse eats his cube ration in < 2 hours, what is going on in the digestive system the other 10 hours or until the next feeding? Horses digestive systems were made to be grazers, eating small bites/amounts throughout the day/night. We all know how quickly ulcers can form with nothing in the stomach, and how quickly boredom vices can start. Yes, the horse is "full" after his cube meal, may even leave some cubes left over, but is this feeding method what is best for the overall digestive system? I would love to see a study done on what is happening in the digestive system on this type of feeding routine.
we haven't treated anything for ulcers or EPM in over a year now
Again, would love to find a study on this feeding protocol.
http://www.equinews.com/article/long-stem-vs-short-stem-forages[/qu...
She gets 20# a day, split between two feedings now that I'm competing on her.
It takes my horses several hours to clean theirs up from each feeding. They "graze" on it rather than wolfing it down like they did concentrates...even in stalls. The eat a while and then hang out a while. They've never been more satisfied or consistent in their behavior. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | lindseylou2290 - 2016-06-09 11:04 AM
TBone - 2016-06-09 9:09 AM rachellyn80 - 2016-06-09 8:59 AM TBone - 2016-06-09 8:45 AM I just can't get on the cube bandwagon. If a horse eats his cube ration in < 2 hours, what is going on in the digestive system the other 10 hours or until the next feeding? Horses digestive systems were made to be grazers, eating small bites/amounts throughout the day/night. We all know how quickly ulcers can form with nothing in the stomach, and how quickly boredom vices can start. Yes, the horse is "full" after his cube meal, may even leave some cubes left over, but is this feeding method what is best for the overall digestive system? I would love to see a study done on what is happening in the digestive system on this type of feeding routine.
we haven't treated anything for ulcers or EPM in over a year now
Again, would love to find a study on this feeding protocol.
http://www.equinews.com/article/long-stem-vs-short-stem-forages[/qu...
Hi guys - a few thoughts with this .... while alfalfa has been ancedotally linked and carries a high amount of calcium to buffer the stomach, there is very little scientific evidence proving that it prevents ulcers without the aid of a product like rantidine (or similar ). Link to article where they studied alfalfa in working horses and showed that it helped reduce the severity of the ulcers, but didn't heal or cure them: http://www.cabi.org/cabdirect/FullTextPDF/2008/20083097780.pdf . Also, EPM is a protozoan, and won't be affected by feeding alfalfa (or not ). I'm happy your horse is doing so well, rachellyn80, we all can relate to only wanting the best for our equines. Ok - so long stem and short stem forages, in general refers to how the forage is processed. Since cubed hay is ground where you can still see stems, it is considered long stem forage. Pellets are considered short stem in the equine world because they are processed and pelleted. So the basic process is to grind hay to super fine, make a mush out of it, and then run it through a pelleter. Make sense? However, in response to your question looking for a peer reviewed journal article "study" .... Here ya go. Yes this was in Sweeden, because you cannot find indpendent funding for behavior and feed studies in the US, our major funding sources revolve around viruses, bacteria, and other pathogens. It is still sound science and an interesting article to read. Long-stemmed vs. cut haylage in bales—Effects on fermentation, aerobic storage stability, equine eating behaviour and characteristics of equine faeces; Cecilia E. Müller, Animal Feed Science and Technology Volume 152, Issues 3–4, 6 August 2009, Pages 307–321LINK - http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0377840109001412Excerpt from the abstract - "In general, information on how different types of forages and forage treatments during harvest affect eating behaviour and digestion in horses is scarce in the published literature. A combined ensiling and feeding experiment was therefore conducted with the aim to compare fermentation and aerobic storage stability in cut and long-stemmed haylage bales, as well as effects of feeding cut and long-stemmed haylage on equine eating behaviour and on faecal characteristics (i.e. particle size distribution and chemical composition)."
Happy reading and have a great day!
I'm well aware of what EPM is, lol. What I was referring to was the fact that not only do I not have the digestive upsets that we've always had when feeding concentrates, but miraculously we haven't had our usual twice yearly EPM type flare up.
I wasn't putting alfalfa up as a cure all...I was sharing that the change in diet has ultimately given me much healthier horses all the way around. I'm sorry I didn't explain it better. |
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| Tdove - 2016-06-09 11:46 AM rodeomom3 - 2016-06-09 6:57 AM Question for TDove: on a previous thread you stated eating cubes is better for their teeth/chewing/digestion than baled alfalfa. Why?? Teeth: I have been told by equine dentist that eating cubes helps keep teeth in better shape longer than baled hay. The reason for this is supposedly due to the way horses eat cubes. They break of the ends of the cubes with their front teeth, similarly to how they eat grass in a pasture environment. Secondly, because the hay is in smaller pieces they then have to chew the chopped hay in cubes more and this creates better, more even wear than baled hay. Chewing/Digestion: As stated above, it is my experience and many others that cubes take longer to eat than comparable quantities of baled hay. This creates more acid buffering saliva and breaks down the already broken down chopped hay. It also more closely mimics natural grazing, by smaller, more steady consumption into the digestive system. That is the first part of the digestion answer, the second is that to increase digestibility particle size needs to increase (higher surface area ) and passage through the digestive system needs to decrease in order to allow the fermentation process to become more efficient at extracting both calories and nutrients form forage. Because surface area is increased in cubes (smaller chopped pieces and more thorough mastication ), cubes are more digestible than baled hay. It is been my experience that cubes are approximately 25% more digestible than comparative type and quality of baled hay. This allows you to feed less, basically.
I happened to be at my vets today and showed him this thread. He is not aware of any studies showing cubes better than alfalfa as stated in the above post. He considers good quality baled foraged the best choice. My horses take several hours to eat a large flake of alfalfa, well except for one and he is a pig, eats anything and everything if it is in front of him. |
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | Bear - 2016-06-09 6:48 AM I haven't used cubes but have considered it. I'm trying to learn something from this thread and it sounds a lot like one of those threads where people debate which pickup is superior. We have Omnis, Hay Rite, Mustang Sally (my favorite because I like the song), Bryant, Danco, and Standlee. Have I missed any? Like so many other threads, I'm always asking myself who, among the posters, is a seller or dealer. To my way of thinking, it sounds like there isn't a heck of a lot of difference between most of these, assuming the assays on the tags are correct. Assuming my horses would probably eat them all, the only other things to consider is availability and cost. I haven't learned much about cost from this.
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Location: Beggs, OK | If there's one thing that I learned last year, it's that most of our vets no absolutely nothing at all that's useful about nutrition. Many of the vet schools also receive large donations from the big feed companies. Unless their primary focus is equine nutrition it's like going to your general practitioner to find out what you should be eating yourself....in general, they'll have an idea, but that's about it.
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| rachellyn80 - 2016-06-10 5:55 AM If there's one thing that I learned last year, it's that most of our vets no absolutely nothing at all that's useful about nutrition. Many of the vet schools also receive large donations from the big feed companies. Unless their primary focus is equine nutrition it's like going to your general practitioner to find out what you should be eating yourself....in general, they'll have an idea, but that's about it.
I agree with this in general but when I ask my vet what his ideal feeding program is he saids pasture and alfalfa. Like me, he does not feed grain either. If I was not able to buy the pretty alfalfa that I can and had to feed a cube, Omnis would be my choice. I am not convinced though that they are better than good baled alfalfa but I do think they are the best cube out there. |
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Location: West Texas | Rodeomom3,
Thank you, I appreciate that. I have done quite a few analysis of my own. On the teeth issue, I cannot say one way or the other. I do believe on the front teeth part. I have used several top dentist and dental vet. Grazing horses nip short grasses and this is most mimicked by cubes. I have been told by then all that pasture is better for teeth than hay and hay of course is better than pellets.
On the issue of digestibility, chew time, and consumption rate, it does not take a formal study or any kind of degree to figure this out. I have fed hundreds of horses cubes and hay for comparison. To me, there is no doubt that what I am saying is true. Most horses eat cubes slower. That is why so many people are reporting that it takes horses so long to clean up. Omnis generally is eaten faster than other cubes, mainly due to its softness. Every horse varies a little, but it is not uncommon for some stalled horses to take 3-4 hours to eat 10 lbs of cubes. Most will finish in about 1 1/2 - 2 hours, which in my vast experience, is considerably longer than most consumption rate for the same 10 lbs of alfalfa hay. This has been my observation based on hundreds of horses. Also, watching the chewing habits, I find horses take smaller bites of cubes and chew more thoroughly and I have witnessed increased saliva production with cubes.
In a way that is neither here nor there. At the very least it is factual that cubes are hay and that horses wil eat it every bit as slow as baled hay. So even at the very, very least it is identical to baled hay on every topic discussed above. Whether cubes are actually better in those areas isn't really all that important (though I do stand behind mine and others extensive, observed behavior), because the real heart of the issue is digestibility. I can tell you, beyond a doubt, that cubes win this contest. Cubes are long stem and already prechewed. The simple fact that they are then chewed again for at least the same amount of time and effectiveness as baled hay, means there is no doubt cubes enter the digestive tract better manually broken down. Any dentist, vet, or nutritionist will agree that chewing efficiency is crucial to any forage digestibility (except ground pellets). It is easily proven, both theoretically and practically, that cubes are more digestible than bales. In practice this is proven by young and older horses. Young horses fed high forage hay diets will be bellied up and poor performers without additional concentrate added to the ration. By putting these horses on cubes we can see the higher digestibly of cubes in decreased undigested hay belly and lower levels of concentrate necessary for optimum growth and health. We have done this with great results in our own breeding operation. Conversely, older horses with poor to no teeth are undoubtly unable to utilize baled hay. By putting these horses on cubes, they thrive and literally years are able to be added to their lives. In those two examples, Omnis has no rival and will out perform any cube and is fed dry, to both the youngest and the oldest.
Finally, after analyzing feeding rates, by weight, for literally hundreds of horses, I can tell you cubes can be fed at lower rates than hay. This will vary slightly from horse to horse, but the average horse of average size and metabolism will do great off of 20 lbs of a really good cube. The vast majority of MOST horses cannot be fed 20 lbs of only alfalfa with the same results. My tests have shown that approximately 25 lbs of small bales of hay and 30-35 (depending on waste level) for free feed round or large square baled alfalfa. I have used all major brands of cubes and this 20lb rate is about the same for all. We are able to cut back with the same efficiency to about 18lbs with Omnis. This is compared to all other cubes including our Mustang Sally cube. I have been told by another main cube brand that number for them is 15lbs. This is untrue, as I have tried it (with their cube). Thin horses were the result.
Whether you prefer cubes or baled hay will depend on a host of personal preference factors (including herd size, faculty set up, cost, etc). For me cubes are the preference for most scenarios, but not all as I do feed about 100 tons of large bales of hay a year. The question of whether cubes are more digestible is settled in my analysis. There is no question that cubes are more digestible than any baled hay. Beyond that there is a host of other convenience factors, such that I will always feed cubes over bales to stalled or performance horses. I am not writing this to convince you. I think good baled alfalfa is great. I know the validity and truthfulness of my testimony concerning the digestibility and healthiness of cubes. I am comfortable knowing it works well and better for me and many many people that are switching to cubes.
PS I also forgot to mention manure. I have horses in pens next to each other, one feeding large bales of hay and the other only cubes. It is clear to a blind man that cubes create less manure and that the composition of the fiber is more broken down. This is further proof of higher feed utilization and nutrient absorption of cubes. Routinely we have to scrape the hay pen and remove the manure. We have never had to clean the cube fed pens. They manure breaks down and blows away, in our area, and the pens stay very clean, all the time.
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Location: West Texas | Bear - 2016-06-09 8:48 AM
I haven't used cubes but have considered it. I'm trying to learn something from this thread and it sounds a lot like one of those threads where people debate which pickup is superior. We have Omnis, Hay Rite, Mustang Sally (my favorite because I like the song), Bryant, Danco, and Standlee. Have I missed any? Like so many other threads, I'm always asking myself who, among the posters, is a seller or dealer.
To my way of thinking, it sounds like there isn't a heck of a lot of difference between most of these, assuming the assays on the tags are correct. Assuming my horses would probably eat them all, the only other things to consider is availability and cost. I haven't learned much about cost from this.
For strictly forage cubes, that is somewhat correct. Danco Forage is the maker of Mustang Sally and Omnis CP. Mustang Sally is our 100% alfalfa cube and is comparable to the ones you mentioned. Looking at these cubes it is not merely price. There are some differences and much of that will be personal preference. Some are larger cubes, some are smaller, some are a harder cube, some are softer. Even the quality of hay in the cube may vary from company to company. There are people that prefer each cube over the other for various reasons important to them and of course price plays a role, but for many people, it is not the only factor.
You may or may not feel Omnis should be included in that discussion. Omnis is generally more expensive because we are using more expensive, high energy ingredients and additional processes of manufacture this unique cube. Personally, I see Omnis as a complete cube and a concentrate replacement, while the forage cubes are more just a forage replacement. I feel quite comfortable paying more for Omnis than other cubes, because the benefits I have seen, I feel they are better than any other cube, including our own Mustang Sally cube. In addition I feel our service and transparency is better than other feed companies and products in general. We are one of the only companies that I am aware of that reports not only exact ingredients, but the level of each included. Attached is a picture of the Omnis information sheet.
To answer your other question, as you surely are aware, I do represent Danco and sell our products. I have fed most all other cubes extensively before we started Danco. I try to make all of my information accurate and unbiased. I am also the developer of Omnis, at first with the only intention of using it in our own training and breeding operation. I feel that service and reputation of companies is also an important factor, one that which I strive to serve customers with the same standard of practice that I am looking for in my own equine operation. Rachelynn80 is also a dealer and user for Omnis. She had a bad contamination episode in her barn and had been feeding and searching for feed products to safely rebuild her horses' health and had tried many things. She started on Omnis, and it worked so well, she decided to be a dealer to offer our cube in her area.
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Location: Texas | rachellyn80 - 2016-06-10 5:55 AM If there's one thing that I learned last year, it's that most of our vets no absolutely nothing at all that's useful about nutrition. Many of the vet schools also receive large donations from the big feed companies. Unless their primary focus is equine nutrition it's like going to your general practitioner to find out what you should be eating yourself....in general, they'll have an idea, but that's about it.
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Location: Texas | I want to add, I like the Omnis cubes. I especially love it when I travel and have one 50 lb bag of feed, while my friends tote hay, grain etc. and wear themselves out. We're all on the older side, so this is a big help to me. |
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Location: Texas | 1DSoon - 2016-06-09 9:28 AM Tdove - 2016-06-09 10:20 AM 1DSoon - 2016-06-09 6:32 AM oats or oat hay
the analysis is the same, so the analysis is the same.
Just like others that are trying to sell shat to folks on this site Tdove and RG attempt to besmirch another product, either overtly or blatantly when in fact they are both pretty much the same product with a different color bag. Looking at protein, fat, fiber on a feed tag is a very poor way to compare and evaluate feeds. I tried this on my wife once. For our anniversary I took her for hotdogs instead of a steak.....even though they have the same basic analysis. I could mix you up a feather meal, straw, and lard pellet that would match the analysis you are quoting. This is a fact. Alfalfa and 10% oats (while a good forage cube ), is not the same nutritionally as a Alfalfa, 15% oat grain, 2.5% flax cube. Just the energy value alone would be 10-15% higher, besides a host of other nutrient profile differences.
Those of you that sell shat on here could learn from Winwillows.
Maybe that could be a side biz for him, teaching you folks how to market your goods without being a shill
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Location: Oklahoma | okhorselover - 2016-06-12 9:31 PM
rachellyn80 - 2016-06-10 5:55 AM
If there's one thing that I learned last year, it's that most of our vets no absolutely nothing at all that's useful about nutrition. Many of the vet schools also receive large donations from the big feed companies. Unless their primary focus is equine nutrition it's like going to your general practitioner to find out what you should be eating yourself....in general, they'll have an idea, but that's about it.
Hmmm, I will have to share your comment with Dr White as just Friday we talked to him about nutrition. He feels our feeding program is fine & my horse didn't look like **** as you told me. He said my mare looked just fine.
Wow, what a passive aggressive comment. The nice thing about all of this is you can take what you want from it. No one forces you to feed a certain feed. Comments like this should be kept in a private manner as so many others on this thread. |
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Location: NOT at Wal Mart | Fun2Run - 2016-06-12 9:34 PM 1DSoon - 2016-06-09 9:28 AM Tdove - 2016-06-09 10:20 AM 1DSoon - 2016-06-09 6:32 AM oats or oat hay
the analysis is the same, so the analysis is the same.
Just like others that are trying to sell shat to folks on this site Tdove and RG attempt to besmirch another product, either overtly or blatantly when in fact they are both pretty much the same product with a different color bag. Looking at protein, fat, fiber on a feed tag is a very poor way to compare and evaluate feeds. I tried this on my wife once. For our anniversary I took her for hotdogs instead of a steak.....even though they have the same basic analysis. I could mix you up a feather meal, straw, and lard pellet that would match the analysis you are quoting. This is a fact. Alfalfa and 10% oats (while a good forage cube ), is not the same nutritionally as a Alfalfa, 15% oat grain, 2.5% flax cube. Just the energy value alone would be 10-15% higher, besides a host of other nutrient profile differences.
Those of you that sell shat on here could learn from Winwillows.
Maybe that could be a side biz for him, teaching you folks how to market your goods without being a shill
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Tdove - 2016-06-10 12:18 PM
Bear - 2016-06-09 8:48 AM
I haven't used cubes but have considered it. I'm trying to learn something from this thread and it sounds a lot like one of those threads where people debate which pickup is superior. We have Omnis, Hay Rite, Mustang Sally (my favorite because I like the song), Bryant, Danco, and Standlee. Have I missed any? Like so many other threads, I'm always asking myself who, among the posters, is a seller or dealer.
To my way of thinking, it sounds like there isn't a heck of a lot of difference between most of these, assuming the assays on the tags are correct. Assuming my horses would probably eat them all, the only other things to consider is availability and cost. I haven't learned much about cost from this.
For strictly forage cubes, that is somewhat correct. Danco Forage is the maker of Mustang Sally and Omnis CP. Mustang Sally is our 100% alfalfa cube and is comparable to the ones you mentioned. Looking at these cubes it is not merely price. There are some differences and much of that will be personal preference. Some are larger cubes, some are smaller, some are a harder cube, some are softer. Even the quality of hay in the cube may vary from company to company. There are people that prefer each cube over the other for various reasons important to them and of course price plays a role, but for many people, it is not the only factor.
You may or may not feel Omnis should be included in that discussion. Omnis is generally more expensive because we are using more expensive, high energy ingredients and additional processes of manufacture this unique cube. Personally, I see Omnis as a complete cube and a concentrate replacement, while the forage cubes are more just a forage replacement. I feel quite comfortable paying more for Omnis than other cubes, because the benefits I have seen, I feel they are better than any other cube, including our own Mustang Sally cube. In addition I feel our service and transparency is better than other feed companies and products in general. We are one of the only companies that I am aware of that reports not only exact ingredients, but the level of each included. Attached is a picture of the Omnis information sheet.
To answer your other question, as you surely are aware, I do represent Danco and sell our products. I have fed most all other cubes extensively before we started Danco. I try to make all of my information accurate and unbiased. I am also the developer of Omnis, at first with the only intention of using it in our own training and breeding operation. I feel that service and reputation of companies is also an important factor, one that which I strive to serve customers with the same standard of practice that I am looking for in my own equine operation. Rachelynn80 is also a dealer and user for Omnis. She had a bad contamination episode in her barn and had been feeding and searching for feed products to safely rebuild her horses' health and had tried many things. She started on Omnis, and it worked so well, she decided to be a dealer to offer our cube in her area.
I appreciate the info. We have abundant pasture, and I've been thinking along the lines of replacing our current grain feeding regimen....toying with the idea. It was the Omnis cubes that I was considering. |
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Location: Texas | I happen to be in the area of a dealer on Wednesday so I bought two bags of the Omnis to try, but I can't get the horse I want on them to eat them! My other two eat them just fine but they don't need them. I hand fed him a couple as treats and he spit half of it out. He would rather eat the alfalfa hay & coastal hay over the Omnis cubes. I haven't restricted him to only the Omnis cubes to see if he would eventually eat them because I am not 100% sure I want to drive 2 hours round trip to get them. And this particular horse makes life difficult if he doesn't like what is in his feed pan by dumping it, pooping in it, wasting it, etc. So not sure it is worth trying to force him to eat them! Anyone else's horse not like them? |
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Location: NE Texas | TBone - 2016-09-30 8:36 AM I happen to be in the area of a dealer on Wednesday so I bought two bags of the Omnis to try, but I can't get the horse I want on them to eat them! My other two eat them just fine but they don't need them. I hand fed him a couple as treats and he spit half of it out. He would rather eat the alfalfa hay & coastal hay over the Omnis cubes. I haven't restricted him to only the Omnis cubes to see if he would eventually eat them because I am not 100% sure I want to drive 2 hours round trip to get them. And this particular horse makes life difficult if he doesn't like what is in his feed pan by dumping it, pooping in it, wasting it, etc. So not sure it is worth trying to force him to eat them! Anyone else's horse not like them?
This is pretty much the experience I had as well. The horse that I really wanted them for wouldn't eat them, even when I restricted him to just the cubes. My horses are all already on an alfalfa/oat diet, so I really didn't think it would be an issue transitioning them to the cubes, but the main one I was seeking them for turned his nose up repeatedly at them. All of my other horses had no issue eating them, but like you, I can't justify the trip to get them if i'm still going to have to buy loose hay. I love the product and didn't see any issues with the quality of the cubes, and truly wish this gelding would have done better, but after 2 days of nothing but offering the cubes and him not eating a full scoop, I just went back to my regular alfalfa and whole oats. |
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Location: Texas | Yep, I am feeding alfalfa pellets & oats with my Curost Total and pretty much free choice alfalfa & coastal hay and pasture. Guess that is what I will stick to since that is what he likes! I have tried going 100% alfalfa, but he just won't clean up all the alfalfa & still wants coastal. And I have to have coastal for the other two easy keepers anyways. He is quite the character but I do LOVE him. |
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| I started feeding the Omnis cubes about 6-8 months ago as the hay that I was getting was not very good and I started having all kinds of issues. I also do not have access to alfalfa hay. I have 3, a 28 year old, 18 year old and a 16 year old, 2 geldings and one mare. My 28 year old was dropping weight and I didn't just want to overload his system by adding in grain. My horses all love them!! they whiny for them at feeding time. My farrier commented the last time he was out how much their feet had grown through the summer heat. My 28 year old started picking up weight and my other two did also so I have cut down on them two. I am very happy with the Omnis cubes. Yes I have found green twine in them that was off of the top of the bag when you open it and some of it was falling off. They have changed how they sew them up now and you don't get that. I will admit, the travel time is a bummer but I generally stock up and hope that I only have to make the trip twice a month. All in all very pleased with the product. I am sorry that those of you whose horses won't eat the Omnis cube. I also feed THE MM to my 28 year old and the CurOst to the other two. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I went back to the Mustang Sally cubes as my horse wasn't eating the OMNI's very well and I got tired of fighting the mouse problem. |
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| Yes I have had that issue as well. I have those sticky things all around the cubes. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | I'm surprised Tdoves bat signal hasn't melted down by now.
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Location: CTX | I found some green twine in them a couple of months ago, but liek someone else mentioned I find stuff in my coastal also. I don't think you can completely rule that out, since ignorant people just through stuff out the car or drop it where they stand, and the wind will pick it up.
But I just pm'ed TDOVE with the tag information so they at least can inform the farm they got the alfalfa from. After that I've not noticed anything. I just keep an eye on it when I put it in the buckets. |
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| Nevertooold - 2016-09-30 11:17 AM
I went back to the Mustang Sally cubes as my horse wasn't eating the OMNI's very well and I got tired of fighting the mouse problem.
Man, the mice LOVE those Omni cubes! I also went to the Mustang Sally cubes, but mostly because I have 2 that just don't do well mentally with any grain at all. |
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| I should probably clarify that I put those sticky things around my pallets that I have the "bags" of cubes on to catch the mice. LOL I re-read my post. It's Friday what can I say. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Sandok - 2016-09-30 3:48 PM I should probably clarify that I put those sticky things around my pallets that I have the "bags" of cubes on to catch the mice. LOL I re-read my post. It's Friday what can I say.
I understood what you meant. We have mouse traps all over the place as the sticky glue things would get full of dirt and hay. |
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Location: Georgia | Slightly off topic but I cant get Omnis cubes in north GA (that I know of). My choices are Stanlee, HayRite, Danco and Seminole.. I havent fed Stanlee or HayRite because they use Ben. as a binding agent and I also heard that means the hay isnt top quality. Ive been feeding Danco over Seminole for convince reasons but it wouldn't take much for me to drive a little out of the way for Seminole.
Those of you that have knowledge on these brands, which would you feed? |
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| mandita8907 - 2016-10-03 8:51 AM
Slightly off topic but I cant get Omnis cubes in north GA (that I know of). My choices are Stanlee, HayRite, Danco and Seminole.. I havent fed Stanlee or HayRite because they use Ben. as a binding agent and I also heard that means the hay isnt top quality. Ive been feeding Danco over Seminole for convince reasons but it wouldn't take much for me to drive a little out of the way for Seminole.
Those of you that have knowledge on these brands, which would you feed?
Omnis is made by Danco. Danco uses bentonite as a binder in all its cubes. I don't know anything about Seminole.
Bentonite usuage in cubes has nothing to do with quality, it's merely a binder to get the cube to stay a cube.
I feed Hay Rite and have great results. |
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| mandita8907 - 2016-10-03 8:51 AM
Slightly off topic but I cant get Omnis cubes in north GA (that I know of). My choices are Stanlee, HayRite, Danco and Seminole.. I havent fed Stanlee or HayRite because they use Ben. as a binding agent and I also heard that means the hay isnt top quality. Ive been feeding Danco over Seminole for convince reasons but it wouldn't take much for me to drive a little out of the way for Seminole.
Those of you that have knowledge on these brands, which would you feed?
I feed the Mustang Sally cubes that are made by Danco. I actually like them better than their Omni cubes because I have a couple horses that just do better without the oats. Of course, they are only lightly used too. I may change back if I start riding more often. I always heard that bentonite clay was used for a binder and that it was not bad for horses or people to ingest. |
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Location: Willows, CA | There should be no issue with the bentonite used in hay cubes. Many supplement companies have used it as a toxin binder in their products for years. It is pretty neutral in the system. I would not let it's inclusion in a hay cube influence my decision to use that cube or not. Hay quality should be the main concern, and that can be hard to evaluate. Some cubes are colored to make them look greener. I personally like a mixed cube that I can break up easily in my hand over most straight alfalfa cubes. But, there are some straight alfalfa cubes that are pretty soft also. I agree that they can be a valuable component in the diet if other quality forage is hard to get. |
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Location: Georgia | Quality hay is so hard to find in my area this year. Win would they have to label the dye in the ingredients list? |
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Location: Willows, CA | mandita8907 - 2016-10-03 1:40 PM
Quality hay is so hard to find in my area this year. Win would they have to label the dye in the ingredients list?
Stating the dye on the ingredient list may vary from state to state and their label requirements. Some do not require that something be listed if it is used to treat or alter an ingredient before the finished product is made. I have never seen the term "dyed alfalfa". If you were to add it while making the product I would assume it would need to be listed in most states. Again, there are some states that do not require listing if an ingredient is less than 1% of the product. If it is crazy green, I would ask the company if they dye the roughage. I think that some do just so it always looks the same. As a disclosure here, I do not make hay cubes, but, years ago I imported a great Timothy / Alfalfa blended cube from Canada under our Natural Glo name. We used no dye, but I was told at the time that some do. |
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