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| Say someone is paying you for lessons. They want to bring a friend+horse (that is not paying for lessons) with them. Friend just wants to ride around in the arena while lesson is taking place. Would you be okay with it? |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | NOPE ..... they are getting the advantage of listening to your lesson and not paying.....plus FREE arena use.... |
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Location: Texas | depends on who the friend is and if they ride or run barrels. if its a non horse person everything you speak will be in another language anyway. |
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| Yes, but I'd charge them for arena use and not make it a habit of them coming when you're giving a lesson so they don't benefit! |
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| Nope, I wouldn't want any distractions gor my student or myself while teaching them. I wouldn't want the liability either should something happen. |
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| I think you first have to take liability into consideration. What if said person gets hurt? Did you have them sign a waiver? What's your normal liability policy with students? Then, if that's all squared away...I'd still charge them for arena use even if they won't/don't listen in on the lesson. I think a fee will keep them from taking advantage of you. |
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Location: The edge of no where | I wouldn't care if they did it once.....if they wanted to do it more often, I'd probably charge a bit. |
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Location: N Texas | MS2011 - 2016-06-08 2:18 PM
I wouldn't care if they did it once.....if they wanted to do it more often, I'd probably charge a bit.
I might allow it once, as long as the friend isn't a distraction and stays out of the way. It would bug me that the friend is getting free use of the arena, but I wouldn't make a huge deal about it. Just make it very clear that it's a one-time thing and that if she comes again, she'll have to pay for a lesson. |
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| Thank yall. I am glad to know I am not alone in my hesitation. I wasnt sure how I felt about it at first. I am going to allow it today. I dont mind if its just once as long as it doesnt become a habit and cause a distraction. I am super nice and laid back but I do not want to put myself in a position to be taken advantage of.
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| I'd also make the person sign one of those equine liability forms barns give out, even just for today. |
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Location: The edge of no where | I'm just grateful for all the people that have allowed me free use of their arenas.....and try to pay it forward if they need somewhere to ride when it doesn't affect what we're doing now that I have a great place to ride. Ever been that person that just needed to take a young horse into different enviroments to see the sights? Or been visiting someone from out of town and want to check out what they're doing? |
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Location: Kansas | MS2011 - 2016-06-08 2:51 PM I'm just grateful for all the people that have allowed me free use of their arenas.....and try to pay it forward if they need somewhere to ride when it doesn't affect what we're doing now that I have a great place to ride. Ever been that person that just needed to take a young horse into different enviroments to see the sights? Or been visiting someone from out of town and want to check out what they're doing?
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Location: North Central Iowa Land of white frozen grass | Once is alright as long as you are covering yourself for liablility. But more than once is being taking advantage of by your student who thinks that they can just drag anybody along for free. |
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Location: Deep South | MS2011 - 2016-06-08 2:51 PM
I'm just grateful for all the people that have allowed me free use of their arenas.....and try to pay it forward if they need somewhere to ride when it doesn't affect what we're doing now that I have a great place to ride. Ever been that person that just needed to take a young horse into different enviroments to see the sights? Or been visiting someone from out of town and want to check out what they're doing?
Exactly what I was thinking.
I can't relate to all the people who said it would bother them that the friend is getting free use of the arena. I would not have ever been able to ride growing up if everyone thought that way. People were always super welcoming about inviting us to come ride and now that I have an arena of my own I make sure to extend the invitation to others. |
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| hoofs_in_motion - 2016-06-08 2:54 PM MS2011 - 2016-06-08 2:51 PM I'm just grateful for all the people that have allowed me free use of their arenas.....and try to pay it forward if they need somewhere to ride when it doesn't affect what we're doing now that I have a great place to ride. Ever been that person that just needed to take a young horse into different enviroments to see the sights? Or been visiting someone from out of town and want to check out what they're doing?
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Location: Texas | Yes I would be okay with it, as long as they sign a liability release and aren't acting a fool while using my facility. |
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Location: The edge of no where | scwebster - 2016-06-08 3:05 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-06-08 2:54 PM MS2011 - 2016-06-08 2:51 PM I'm just grateful for all the people that have allowed me free use of their arenas.....and try to pay it forward if they need somewhere to ride when it doesn't affect what we're doing now that I have a great place to ride. Ever been that person that just needed to take a young horse into different enviroments to see the sights? Or been visiting someone from out of town and want to check out what they're doing?
If she comes and watches a bit - you might get a new student out of the deal. I wasn't directing it at anyone, I'm sorry if it came across that way. It would probably be smart to get her to sign a liability waiver - just to cover yourself. |
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Location: N Texas | BamaCanChaser - 2016-06-08 3:01 PM
MS2011 - 2016-06-08 2:51 PM
I'm just grateful for all the people that have allowed me free use of their arenas.....and try to pay it forward if they need somewhere to ride when it doesn't affect what we're doing now that I have a great place to ride. Ever been that person that just needed to take a young horse into different enviroments to see the sights? Or been visiting someone from out of town and want to check out what they're doing?
Exactly what I was thinking.
I can't relate to all the people who said it would bother them that the friend is getting free use of the arena. I would not have ever been able to ride growing up if everyone thought that way. People were always super welcoming about inviting us to come ride and now that I have an arena of my own I make sure to extend the invitation to others.
I look at it this way: lets say there are students taking lessons who are basically just paying for a lesson to have access to an arena, but don't necessarily need a lot of instruction. Then they find out other people are coming out and riding for free. They decide they don't really need as much instruction any more, they just want a place to ride, so why should they have to still pay for lessons when other people are coming for free? Then the instructor is losing money because her lesson time is filled with non-paying riders.
Now, if you own your arena and you don't care who comes and rides, and you don't have to be available to them, then that's your prerogative to let everybody and their brother use your facilities for free. The people who have a limited amount of time and either want or need to be there while there are riders are the ones who shouldn't let a bunch of people ride for free because that's taking up a time slot where there could be a paying student. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | As long as they stay out of the way/at the other end of the arena, and just this once, unless they want to start taking lessons to.  |
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Location: Missouri | Free use of the arena wouldn't bother me so much, personally. Like others have mentioned, as a teenager I would've never been able to finish out the horse I had if some people hadn't allowed me to come ride for free. That said, my two concerns would be liability issues, and and also if this extra rider getting in your way. One thing I wouldn't want to do is start giving 'two for one' lessons. But, if the other rider is on the other side of the arena, doing their own thing and isn't benefiting from the lesson, I wouldn't mind it being an occasional thing. |
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| MS2011 - 2016-06-08 4:18 PM scwebster - 2016-06-08 3:05 PM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-06-08 2:54 PM MS2011 - 2016-06-08 2:51 PM I'm just grateful for all the people that have allowed me free use of their arenas.....and try to pay it forward if they need somewhere to ride when it doesn't affect what we're doing now that I have a great place to ride. Ever been that person that just needed to take a young horse into different enviroments to see the sights? Or been visiting someone from out of town and want to check out what they're doing?
No worries :). I didn't think you did. I just wanted to make sure I didn't sound as if I minded someone riding. A signed waiver would put me at ease greatly. And just to update she ended up asking me if I could squeeze her in for a session as well. So I did gain a student (for today at least). |
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Location: Oklahoma | BamaCanChaser - 2016-06-08 3:01 PM
MS2011 - 2016-06-08 2:51 PM
I'm just grateful for all the people that have allowed me free use of their arenas.....and try to pay it forward if they need somewhere to ride when it doesn't affect what we're doing now that I have a great place to ride. Ever been that person that just needed to take a young horse into different enviroments to see the sights? Or been visiting someone from out of town and want to check out what they're doing?
Exactly what I was thinking.
I can't relate to all the people who said it would bother them that the friend is getting free use of the arena. I would not have ever been able to ride growing up if everyone thought that way. People were always super welcoming about inviting us to come ride and now that I have an arena of my own I make sure to extend the invitation to others.
If you want to be nice and extend the use of your arena to the friend, then I would let her ride any time you're NOT giving lessons. Personally, I think it would be a distraction and would not want them in the arena at the same time as the lesson. JMO In this sue happy world, it's hard to be nice any more. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I wouldn't mind free use of the arena while the lesson was taking place but I would for sure have the friend sign a waiver or a disclaimer and be sure to make it crystal clear that it is a trial run and that next time she will have to pay a small fee. I can just see that horse finding the only soft spot in the arena and slipping.... Then your kindness would for sure get you in trouble.
I love helping people out and I invite people to my place all the time for free useage of my acreage for trail riding and relaxing with their horses. But, each horse that steps off a trailer has to have a recent coggins and I even make friends sign waivers each year. I am paranoid I guess, but we all still have fun. It allows me to enjoy their company knowing that if anything truly accidental happened I would be covered. |
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| scwebster - 2016-06-08 11:56 AM
Say someone is paying you for lessons. They want to bring a friend+horse (that is not paying for lessons) with them. Friend just wants to ride around in the arena while lesson is taking place. Would you be okay with it?
absolutely not. Unless they sign waivers and pay an arena fee. |
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| In my state there is a law meant to protect equine activity sponsors from liability. This sign is posted at my arena and most any other in the area.. but how much does it actually protect us? Anyone with legal knowledge care to comment?
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| scwebster - 2016-06-10 12:46 PM
In my state there is a law meant to protect equine activity sponsors from liability. This sign is posted at my arena and most any other in the area.. but how much does it actually protect us? Anyone with legal knowledge care to comment?
In California...you CANNOT post that disclaimer. You have to have them sign/initial a waiver because if they say they did not see posted sign, you are still liable. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | RodeoCowgirl4u - 2016-06-10 2:49 PM scwebster - 2016-06-10 12:46 PM In my state there is a law meant to protect equine activity sponsors from liability. This sign is posted at my arena and most any other in the area.. but how much does it actually protect us? Anyone with legal knowledge care to comment?
In California...you CANNOT post that disclaimer. You have to have them sign/initial a waiver because if they say they did not see posted sign, you are still liable.
I have this posted at my front gate as well as on all my pasture gates and at my barn door. However, if the person who got injured even says they never saw the sign, they MAY still win in court. I'd rather not go to court at all. I'd rather present a notarized waiver along with pictures of each sign that are clearly not newly hung to the judge so he/she can say case dismissed....
Had a friend get sued by another friend and it was nasty. She only had signs up. I'm all for helping people and letting people use my land free of charge but in todays world i'd rather be safe than sorry.  |
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Location: WI | Sounds like it doesn't bother the person taking the lesson. So sure. Maybe charge a haul in fee of $5-10. A lot of arenas around here do that. |
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