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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | This is just horrible, What the He** is wrong with these sicko's, he murdered 50 young people in a nightclub that were having a goodtime, I just dont understand what is happening to our beautiful free country, just makes me so sick.. and so very sad.
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Location: Kansas and loving it | They are not sure if the club was targeted because it was a gay club, or because of mass casualties, or both. Sad. Prayers. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Pretty sure the shooter had terrorist ties. Appears to be a terror attack against gay peeps, who islam says should die for their "sins". I can't believe he killed and injured so many by himself and then held them hostage for hours without being taken down by club patrons. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | RidenFly - 2016-06-12 9:33 AM All we can do is pray.
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Location: TEXAS | Just terrible... We are no longer safe.. News reported this morning 20 dead and more than 40 injured... Prayers to all the families... |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | turn3turnsok - 2016-06-12 9:46 AM Just terrible... We are no longer safe.. News reported this morning 20 dead and more than 40 injured... Prayers to all the families...
Now its 50 dead and 53 injured. Nobody is safe anymore anywhere. |
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Location: TEXAS | Southtxponygirl - 2016-06-12 9:49 AM turn3turnsok - 2016-06-12 9:46 AM Just terrible... We are no longer safe.. News reported this morning 20 dead and more than 40 injured... Prayers to all the families... Now its 50 dead and 53 injured. Nobody is safe anymore anywhere.
I just got a notification from local news and you're correct they now are saying 50 dead, 53 injured... My earlier comment was on FOX at 6am... |
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Location: SE Louisiana | (sigh)... This is a gay bar... so we'll be hearing about that.... and from the pro and anti gun people.. and there is word the shooter is Muslim. Political hay will be made from this sad incident.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | We need more gun control. That's what the MSM will be spewing.
How much more will it take before we come to the realization what it is we're actually dealing with?
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Location: SE Louisiana | Bear - 2016-06-12 10:32 AM
We need more gun control. That's what the MSM will be spewing.
How much more will it take before we come to the realization what it is we're actually dealing with?
This is a bar, which, like schools and churches, is a gun free zone... It was like shooting fish in a barrel because the law abiding people were unarmed. Gun control is not about guns, it's about control.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | turn3turnsok - 2016-06-12 9:53 AM Southtxponygirl - 2016-06-12 9:49 AM turn3turnsok - 2016-06-12 9:46 AM Just terrible... We are no longer safe.. News reported this morning 20 dead and more than 40 injured... Prayers to all the families... Now its 50 dead and 53 injured. Nobody is safe anymore anywhere.
Befor the day is over I'm sure more will died out of the injured, this is just so sad what a human being can do to others. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bear - 2016-06-12 10:32 AM We need more gun control. That's what the MSM will be spewing. How much more will it take before we come to the realization what it is we're actually dealing with?
Exactly, the gun controling nuts will be spewing like crazy later today I'm sure.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I look at it this way. If one gun-toting Texan would have been in there, chances are the death toll would be a fraction of what it is. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I see where aol news is suggesting it was homophobia because the shooters dad claimed he was upset over having seen two gay men kissing. Yeah, that must be it. Maybe he had low blood sugar and needed a Snickers bar. Yeah that's possible. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Bear - 2016-06-12 11:19 AM
I see where aol news is suggesting it was homophobia because the shooters dad claimed he was upset over having seen two gay men kissing. Yeah, that must be it. Maybe he had low blood sugar and needed a Snickers bar. Yeah that's possible.
I saw that somewhere else.... I also saw something to the effect that this man has worked security at gay establishments before...
I think he just snapped.... it happens more than it used to, simply because there are more people now than there used to be...
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | RidenFly - 2016-06-12 11:49 AM I just want to say one thing. If we ban certain guns, of whatever amount of power, all it serves is to begin a slippery slope. We as Americans have the right to be as well armed as our goverment. Having American citizenship does not make you an American any more than boiling water makes you a chef, or owning a horse makes you a cowboy. Instead of knee jerking a reaction to push for any sort of control over the masses, the best defense would be total and full united front against acts of violence no matter the weapon. It's here. It's time. We collectively either stand together or its over.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If they say that this is not a Terrorist act, they are all freaking crazy.. |
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Location: SE Louisiana | Southtxponygirl - 2016-06-12 12:05 PM
If they say that this is not a Terrorist act, they are all freaking crazy..
I disagree... Terrorism at it's roots is a political act. I don't see this here.. This is just someone that snapped and fell off the deep end. We'll see what they turn up at his home and on his computer and phone.... |
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| Bear - 2016-06-12 11:02 AM I look at it this way. If one gun-toting Texan would have been in there, chances are the death toll would be a fraction of what it is.
Doc, we would have the same problem in TX. Our laws prohibit concealed carry anywhere that alcohol is served by the drink and is 51% of the establishment's revenue. We are hoping to address this and other prohibited places in the next legislative session.
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Location: Kansas | In a 911 call from the shooter he pledged his allegiance to ISIS. It will be interesting to see how Pres. Useless spins this one to protect his Muslim buddies.
A bit sketchy yet but a man with an arsenal was just arrested at/near a gay pride festival in L.A.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | komet. - 2016-06-12 12:11 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-06-12 12:05 PM If they say that this is not a Terrorist act, they are all freaking crazy.. I disagree... Terrorism at it's roots is a political act. I don't see this here.. This is just someone that snapped and fell off the deep end. We'll see what they turn up at his home and on his computer and phone....
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Location: oklahoma | When will we break these terrorist's cells up here and deport them? Isis members are going to destroy us from within, just as they've declared.
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Location: Kansas | O just made a short speech......not nearly as much time as he spent on Trayvon Martin. Called it an act of terror but with no reference to Islamic terrorism (there's a shocker). Went all lib about gun control again (another shocker).
Refused to take questions from reporters. Probably wearing his golf shoes and needed to "get." He and Hillary are afraid of tough questions so they hide from them.
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| What I don't get is that the Left is about COEXIST and accepting all religions, and gender choices. They are all behind letting all the MUSLIM refugees (they do not, however, want the Christian ones) into this country unchecked, unfettered and supported by our tax dollars. Do they not get that Islam is TOTALLY homophobic and mete out death as easily as parking tickets. And that Sharia Law allows the killings as just?
I do not understand how the Left exists without logic......sigh It is not about acceptance, it is about power and control over the people.
And I disagree with the statement that terrorism is about politics not crazy people. There HAS to be something mentally wrong with someone who can cut someone's head off, having zero concern for life itself, including their own. IMHO they are just freakin crazy.
I will keep my compassion for those terrorized. My heart goes out to all those killed, injured and affected by this act of terrorism.
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I can't remember which station i was watching but there was an interview where a Muslim leader said under sharia law homosexuality is forbidden and killing such people was encouraged. The chief of police said he doubts the attack was random. That it was planned and targeted for the gay people who would be there. Only one block away there was a larger gathering of people in another building. If the purpose was volume of deaths the shooter could have picked a better spot. On the political spectrum this in my opinion will really help trump. I do not 100 percent agree with trump, he is probably racist , but still getting my vote cause he is the only one to actually call a duck a duck. aBSOLUTELY not all Muslims are bad or think this way. But until we find a better way to screen them all immigration needs to stop. Hillary keeps calling for gun control. Lol people who want guns will be able to get them when they need them period. The world views the United States like a total B--------ch. buzzing a war ship then Iran makes a statues of our soldiers cowering down. Lol disgusting.
Responding to you first sentence....I read an article that Allen West shared on FB that the shooter's father is saying this had nothing to do this religion and it just about made my blood boil. Oh, like heck. Like you mentioned, under their religion, homosexuality is punishable by death....and so I'm baffled how the Left is getting away with saying it had nothing to do with his religion.... |
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Location: SE Louisiana | MOGirl07 - 2016-06-12 8:41 PM FLITASTIC - 2016-06-12 12:38 PM I can't remember which station i was watching but there was an interview where a Muslim leader said under sharia law homosexuality is forbidden and killing such people was encouraged. The chief of police said he doubts the attack was random. That it was planned and targeted for the gay people who would be there. Only one block away there was a larger gathering of people in another building. If the purpose was volume of deaths the shooter could have picked a better spot. On the political spectrum this in my opinion will really help trump. I do not 100 percent agree with trump, he is probably racist , but still getting my vote cause he is the only one to actually call a duck a duck. aBSOLUTELY not all Muslims are bad or think this way. But until we find a better way to screen them all immigration needs to stop. Hillary keeps calling for gun control. Lol people who want guns will be able to get them when they need them period. The world views the United States like a total B--------ch. buzzing a war ship then Iran makes a statues of our soldiers cowering down. Lol disgusting. Responding to you first sentence....I read an article that Allen West shared on FB that the shooter's father is saying this had nothing to do this religion and it just about made my blood boil. Oh, like heck. Like you mentioned, under their religion, homosexuality is punishable by death....and so I'm baffled how the Left is getting away with saying it had nothing to do with his religion....
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komet. - 2016-06-12 12:11 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-06-12 12:05 PM If they say that this is not a Terrorist act, they are all freaking crazy.. I disagree... Terrorism at it's roots is a political act. I don't see this here.. This is just someone that snapped and fell off the deep end. We'll see what they turn up at his home and on his computer and phone....
There is more than one way to look at this.... If you are biased... This was a panzi bar.. So he didn't expect there to be any heros there... He expected what he got... People cowering from gunfire...
I've been accused of being a nutcase right here on BHW... I grew up around firearms... I'm a pretty good shot with rifle and handgun... Would I do something like this? Probably not.. COULD I do something like this... Yes... So could anyone else that knows how to handle a gun...
I am darn good with a gun to & I make my mark, but would I do something like this, HELL NO !! Don't use the word, Panzi Bar. These were human beings, gay, so what, they are human like you & me. I was touched how they helped many of the injured. I'm no panzi, but I would cower under gun fire until I could shoot the s.o.b. No one had a fire arm. Your comment of "COULD I do something like this... Yes... So could anyone else that knows how to handle a gun"... is so wrong. I could never do this & trust me, I know how to handle a gun & hit my mark. And yes I have been hit with the BHW nasties about me being a nutcase to LOL I think those are more of a nut case than I am LOL
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | MOGirl07 - 2016-06-12 8:41 PM FLITASTIC - 2016-06-12 12:38 PM I can't remember which station i was watching but there was an interview where a Muslim leader said under sharia law homosexuality is forbidden and killing such people was encouraged. The chief of police said he doubts the attack was random. That it was planned and targeted for the gay people who would be there. Only one block away there was a larger gathering of people in another building. If the purpose was volume of deaths the shooter could have picked a better spot. On the political spectrum this in my opinion will really help trump. I do not 100 percent agree with trump, he is probably racist , but still getting my vote cause he is the only one to actually call a duck a duck. aBSOLUTELY not all Muslims are bad or think this way. But until we find a better way to screen them all immigration needs to stop. Hillary keeps calling for gun control. Lol people who want guns will be able to get them when they need them period. The world views the United States like a total B--------ch. buzzing a war ship then Iran makes a statues of our soldiers cowering down. Lol disgusting. Responding to you first sentence....I read an article that Allen West shared on FB that the shooter's father is saying this had nothing to do this religion and it just about made my blood boil. Oh, like heck. Like you mentioned, under their religion, homosexuality is punishable by death....and so I'm baffled how the Left is getting away with saying it had nothing to do with his religion....
Laughable for anyone to say that this didn't have anything to do with his religion. I see some of the Muslim's are now speaking up against terrorists...I find it strange they never spoke up before. I think they are afraid Trump might get in as they sure weren't worried about Obama doing anything. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | magic gunsmoke - 2016-06-12 9:11 PM These are the stories that make me terrified to be a teacher. We are seriously sitting ducks and responsible for the lives of children.
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Location: Montana | Let me preface this by saying that no matter who, what, where, or why, what happened at that night club today was an extremely sad occurrance and a needless occurrance and wrong in so many levels. Prayers for the people involved.
So, let me give my opinion now:
In a way I agree it is a terrorist act...any act of violence of one person against another is a form of terrorism.
But I agree with komet, that terrorist acts as defined now days have their roots deep in politics (bombing of the World Trade Center buildings, for example). I wouldn't think someone would go into a gay bar to shoot up a whole bunch of people to make a political statement, I would think they would go to a government office, such as that person in San Bernardino.
If, according to the news accounts, what the father of the man who was the shooter said, that his son saw two gay men kissing, and became angry, I can actually see that, no matter what the religion even. I don't agree with shooting someone for that reason, but before you condemn me for that statement, let me explain. We have a Christian group locally (and I know there has been talk about Muslims on this board) that is vehemently against homosexuals, to the point of setting up a booth at our State fair against them and handing out pamphlets in high schools just to name a couple. These people also have concealed weapons and have some bizarre ideas about them (don't get me wrong, I enjoy shooting as much as the next person, but not in the manner these people believe). They are very vehement people in many of their Christian beliefs and it is astounding to us and to many other people we know, because they are blatantly so. So in light of that, I honestly don't think it was Muslim thing over any other religion, exept perhaps that Muslims find homosexuality a sin, but other religions find it a sin as well including the people I mentioned.
As far as someone just snapping, I don't think so either other than a mental instability. I think it was premeditated as people typically don't just snap and happen to have an assault rifle with them.
If anything, I think you could blame it on a sort of mental deficiency, because anyone who would think that was okay could not be thinking normally, in my opinion. The news account I read said that he was bipolar and mentally unstable.
Why do people do they things they do? We don't know, and don't claim to. Only the man that did them knows. We feel like the society now days is just weird and dangerous, and we need to come to some resemblance of order in our lives and in our nation. Of course, being Christians ourselves, we believe we should go back to our roots in Christianity to come to that order.
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MOGirl07 - 2016-06-12 8:41 PM FLITASTIC - 2016-06-12 12:38 PM I can't remember which station i was watching but there was an interview where a Muslim leader said under sharia law homosexuality is forbidden and killing such people was encouraged. The chief of police said he doubts the attack was random. That it was planned and targeted for the gay people who would be there. Only one block away there was a larger gathering of people in another building. If the purpose was volume of deaths the shooter could have picked a better spot. On the political spectrum this in my opinion will really help trump. I do not 100 percent agree with trump, he is probably racist , but still getting my vote cause he is the only one to actually call a duck a duck. aBSOLUTELY not all Muslims are bad or think this way. But until we find a better way to screen them all immigration needs to stop. Hillary keeps calling for gun control. Lol people who want guns will be able to get them when they need them period. The world views the United States like a total B--------ch. buzzing a war ship then Iran makes a statues of our soldiers cowering down. Lol disgusting. Responding to you first sentence....I read an article that Allen West shared on FB that the shooter's father is saying this had nothing to do this religion and it just about made my blood boil. Oh, like heck. Like you mentioned, under their religion, homosexuality is punishable by death....and so I'm baffled how the Left is getting away with saying it had nothing to do with his religion....
Under Shari law... Women are forbidden from talking back to men... So shut your mouth!!! (how deep is that hole I'mmaboutto jumpinto? ) {sorry.. I don't have time to type}
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komet. - 2016-06-12 1:19 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2016-06-12 12:48 PM
komet. - 2016-06-12 12:11 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-06-12 12:05 PM If they say that this is not a Terrorist act, they are all freaking crazy.. I disagree... Terrorism at it's roots is a political act. I don't see this here.. This is just someone that snapped and fell off the deep end. We'll see what they turn up at his home and on his computer and phone....
There is more than one way to look at this.... If you are biased... This was a panzi bar.. So he didn't expect there to be any heros there... He expected what he got... People cowering from gunfire...
I've been accused of being a nutcase right here on BHW... I grew up around firearms... I'm a pretty good shot with rifle and handgun... Would I do something like this? Probably not.. COULD I do something like this... Yes... So could anyone else that knows how to handle a gun...
I am darn good with a gun to & I make my mark, but would I do something like this, HELL NO !! Don't use the word, Panzi Bar. These were human beings, gay, so what, they are human like you & me. I was touched how they helped many of the injured. I'm no panzi, but I would cower under gun fire until I could shoot the s.o.b. No one had a fire arm. Your comment of "COULD I do something like this... Yes... So could anyone else that knows how to handle a gun"... is so wrong. I could never do this & trust me, I know how to handle a gun & hit my mark. And yes I have been hit with the BHW nasties about me being a nutcase to LOL I think those are more of a nut case than I am LOL
Before you attempt to judge me... Live my life.... I don't use the word 'panzi' uncarefully... and I certainly do not use it disrespectfully... I'm a straight man... But I've spent many a cold night sandwiched between 2 gay men just to keep warm on a night when it was below zero.... NOPE! we never had sex... They were very respectful about that.... Panzi!! I called them that to their faces every day... They used to call me things that would not make it past the bots on this page... Pals?? We were!!! |
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Location: Florida.. | Komet .. out governor has declared this a Terrorist attack.. another was heading to a gay event in Calif..
Florida is under state of emergency.
shooter had been investigated 3 times to having ties to ISIS and he also shouted islam radical words .. to 911 operator before shooting.
he wasnt mad as his father said (to save his butt) .. he was carrying out a terroristic attack..
we all need to stay alert because from what I read sleeper cells are awake.ISIS claims responsibility for America's most deadly mass shooting: Terror group celebrates their New York-born 'fighter' Omar Mateen, 29, who died in Orlando gay club after killing 50
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3637414/Everyone-running-Gunman-bursts-gay-nightclub-Florida-shoots-20-people-taking-hostages.html#ixzz4BQWy2iB6
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also at a mosque days before.......htt/www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBlwxqqAprQps:/
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2016-06-12 10:32 PM have not heard yet but why are the links not working on here .. I had several to share but it wont allow it.:(
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Location: Florida.. | komet. - 2016-06-12 11:47 PM Like I give a $hit what your governor says!! Like I give a $hit what our President says!!! Like I care what YOU say!!! I'll wait for the annalise of what they find on his phone and computer.. And even then... I can extrapolate for myself...
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | komet. - 2016-06-12 10:47 PM Like I give a $hit what your governor says!! Like I give a $hit what our President says!!! Like I care what YOU say!!! I'll wait for the annalise of what they find on his phone and computer.. And even then... I can extrapolate for myself...
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | FLITASTIC - 2016-06-12 10:53 PM I teach high school and also one period is my rodeo/old west class. I keep my branding iron by my door. Nobody is getting in my room. We had in service trainings on school shooting awareness after the sandy hook. Law enforcement provided it. They asked all of us if an intruder came into our room would any of us have a plan and what would we do. I told them I had an iron branding iron by my door and if anyone broke in I would be there and it would be the last classroom they went into. Other teachers were appalled that I could hurt someone if needed. Oh yes I could and if they would let me pack a gun I would sign up.
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Location: SE Louisiana | Bibliafarm - 2016-06-12 10:50 PM
komet. - 2016-06-12 11:47 PM Like I give a $hit what your governor says!! Like I give a $hit what our President says!!! Like I care what YOU say!!! I'll wait for the annalise of what they find on his phone and computer.. And even then... I can extrapolate for myself...
Well... you knew I was not a nice polite person before you decided to take me on in this thread... You already knew I threw out 'political correctness" 3 years ago... Now you act surprised??
People that scream racism make me laugh... I used to be a little 3 foot tall white kid in an all black school on the edge of Washington DC in the mid 1960s...
Short of lynching, there is nothing you can teach me about racism that I have not lived through...
Am I racist?? Yes.. I am.... Do I have cause to be that way? Yes, I do...
Fuwing nig$ers used to beat my a$$ every day I went to school... So I quit going to school... In the 4TH grade!! I would rather take the a$$ beating at home than take it from some ni##ar at school... Yes... I'm racist!!
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Location: Florida.. | komet. - 2016-06-13 12:07 AM Bibliafarm - 2016-06-12 10:50 PM komet. - 2016-06-12 11:47 PM Like I give a $hit what your governor says!! Like I give a $hit what our President says!!! Like I care what YOU say!!! I'll wait for the annalise of what they find on his phone and computer.. And even then... I can extrapolate for myself... Well... you knew I was not a nice polite person before you decided to take me on in this thread... You already knew I threw out 'political correctness" 3 years ago... Now you act surprised?? People that scream racism make me laugh... I used to be a little 3 foot tall white kid in an all black school on the edge of Washington DC in the mid 1960s... Short of lynching, there is nothing you can teach me about racism that I have not lived through... Am I racist?? Yes.. I am.... Do I have cause to be that way? Yes, I do...
take you on? I never intended to take you on to begin with.. i simply put your name on my post to answer some questions or let you know what is happening here..and what we have learned that is all. anyway.. carry on.. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Leave him be.....he'll settle down. This happens from time to time. |
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Location: Do I hear Banjos? | Bear - 2016-06-13 5:13 AM
Leave him be.....he'll settle down. This happens from time to time.
Maybe so...but this is beyond unacceptable to circumvent the filters to use swear words and racial slurs repeatedly. Someone needs a time out.
On the topic at hand... It is terrorism. It is political in the name of a twisted sort of religious fervor. The leaders of this terror group make use of those unstable folks to accomplish their goals. Was this individual strongly religious or political? No idea...but he was malleable and willing to act? Yes...and That's all they needed. |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | What I truly don't get is how this POS was on an ISIS watch list by the FBI and was investigated in 2013 and 2014 and yet this happens regardless. Screw the watch list....it just needs to be called a DEPORT list and they need to send them out of here.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | This business over the term "hate crime" has always confounded me.
Why the need for the redundancy? I mean when is murder not an act of hate? Oh wait....I forgot about abortion. That is a compassionate act.
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Location: Cyberspace | komet. - 2016-06-12 11:07 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-06-12 10:50 PM komet. - 2016-06-12 11:47 PM Like I give a $hit what your governor says!! Like I give a $hit what our President says!!! Like I care what YOU say!!! I'll wait for the annalise of what they find on his phone and computer.. And even then... I can extrapolate for myself... Well... you knew I was not a nice polite person before you decided to take me on in this thread... You already knew I threw out 'political correctness" 3 years ago... Now you act surprised?? People that scream racism make me laugh... I used to be a little 3 foot tall white kid in an all black school on the edge of Washington DC in the mid 1960s... Short of lynching, there is nothing you can teach me about racism that I have not lived through... Am I racist?? Yes.. I am.... Do I have cause to be that way? Yes, I do... Fuwing nig$ers used to beat my a$$ every day I went to school... So I quit going to school... In the 4TH grade!! I would rather take the a$$ beating at home than take it from some ni##ar at school... Yes... I'm racist!!
Komet, you make yourself clear. But Barrel Horse World won't allow our forums to be used as a platform to further fuel a hateful and racist perspective that exists in our world.
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| I used to bartend for a corporate promotion. Due to the sensitivity of the product this corporation sold, the event needed security. The nicest men and women I've ever met where retired FBI agents and retired officers. They were hired by this corporation and carried guns. They were well trained, especially at keeping their cool at all times.
During some of our conversations, it had been expressed to me over and over how much they enjoyed work after retirement from their agencies. I don't understand why we can't utilize these men and women to protect areas that people would prefer to be a gun free zone. Especially in the cases of schools, large events etc.
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Everything I've heard says the guy that did it is a muslim extremist w/ possible ISIS involvement. There is no question why he did it. Not only do they hate America, they also hate and kill gays on the regular in some muslim countries. An American gay nightclub is a jackpot for them. |
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| FLITASTIC - 2016-06-12 11:53 PM I teach high school and also one period is my rodeo/old west class. I keep my branding iron by my door. Nobody is getting in my room. We had in service trainings on school shooting awareness after the sandy hook. Law enforcement provided it. They asked all of us if an intruder came into our room would any of us have a plan and what would we do. I told them I had an iron branding iron by my door and if anyone broke in I would be there and it would be the last classroom they went into. Other teachers were appalled that I could hurt someone if needed. Oh yes I could and if they would let me pack a gun I would sign up.
We received ALICE training by our local emergency management. It was a last minute 4 hour PD that our school district paid for. The emergency management guy said really it should be a 3 day PD (so it made it sound as if our district was looking for filler training and only wanted to pay for 4 hours). In ALICE training you are trained how to take down an active shooter and kids get involved also. They are supposed to take books and prepare to throw them, and kids are trained in active holds on how to pull a gun out of someones hand along with teachers. We were shown different ways to add secretive door blocks, how to stand and where ect.
After the 4 hour training session the guy in charge of our school emergency plan told us we will not be doing any of the above and we are to sit and wait. Nothing like receiving two contradictory statements on something so serious.
As for me, I am still going to figure out a secondary way to bolt my doors shut and come up with a way to get out the back window safely with the kids. No way am I not coming up with a game plan and no way are we just sitting there if we are ever put into the situation.
It was very eye opening as the trainer of the emergency management went through the statistics of all major shooting events in the US and they support a higher rate of survival if you fight back vs. sit and hide.
Although, I am not sure parents would be too keen on their kids receiving this type of training. Again....sitting ducks...not a fan of this.
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| cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-06-13 9:11 AM ... An American gay nightclub is a jackpot for them.
pinkpistols.com
Their mott is:
"We teach queers to shoot. Then we teach other that we have done so."
I hope the movement continues to grow. I think it's the only way.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-06-13 9:11 AM Everything I've heard says the guy that did it is a muslim extremist w/ possible ISIS involvement. There is no question why he did it. Not only do they hate America, they also hate and kill gays on the regular in some muslim countries. An American gay nightclub is a jackpot for them.
Now I know why he targeted this nightclub, when all this was unfolding and it was all over the news yesterday morning nobody knew why it happen, but as the day worn on and they found out he was doing this for ISIS it all started coming out that this was a terrorist act.  |
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| cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-06-13 9:11 AM..... There is no question why he did it. Not only do they hate America, they also hate and kill gays on the regular in some muslim countries. ....
It's not that simple. Many extremist Muslims believe that the only way a homosexual can get to heaven is to pay the punishment of death. From that perspective, it's a mercy killing, based on love. |
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Location: Washington | How in the heck did he get pass the guard who was a cop, with an AR-15. Mind boggling.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | fatchance - 2016-06-13 10:08 AM How in the heck did he get pass the guard who was a cop, with an AR-15. Mind boggling.
Exactly, I was wondering the same thing. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Now their in the process of recovering all the bullets from walls and people to see if they all match the two guns that the killer were using, so that they can rule out if someone was helping him or not.
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I grew up in Orlando, this hits me hard as I've been to many downtown Orlando clubs, and gay clubs (they always had the best entertainment). I can't imagine what the families are going through.
I got out of Orlando after college, to congested, to many people, to much crime. But this is beyond anything I've ever seen before, I can't even scroll through social media, every person being interviewed, the families and victims.....just brings tears to my eyes.
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Location: East Texas | We had in our community last week, 4 beautiful high school girls killed in two separate wrecks with PEOPLE who decided to get drunk and drive. I am still waiting for outrage and talk of banning alcohol and vehicles. Oh, wait... I guess that ain't gonna happen. Guns, like alcohol and vehicles, come with a huge responsibility, but banning them is certainly not the answer. We all need to be more vigilant about people, like this guy, who had already exhibited (per his x-wife and co-workers) extreme violence and rage. Don't tell me that someone didn't know what this guy was capable of. |
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| fatchance - 2016-06-13 9:08 AM How in the heck did he get pass the guard who was a cop, with an AR-15. Mind boggling.
If I remember how they put it, because of the hour, most people (supposedly) have left. Therefore they don't check people coming in at that hour. The fact FBI had him on their radar, makes me question the FBI.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Maybe he had an AR15 with a folding stock and just slipped it under his shirt? |
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Location: Florida.. | a few witnesses stated they heard another shooter. Not sure if true. Also he stated one of the exit doors was blocked by a man that is what the interview stated. Just passing it along . |
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| My stomach hurts over this. Plus, I keep thinking of the uproar a Christian recieved when he refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding. The outrage on social media was severe. Now you'd think today, we'd have all Americans of all parties having a field day over this. It's crickets about the man's belief, its all about guns, guns, guns. I have never been a name caller, but honestly, you Liberals to probably no fault of your own, have been brainwashed. Badly. It's okay to scream outrage over someone that isn't White, Christian or a CEO.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2016-06-13 12:38 PM a few witnesses stated they heard another shooter. Not sure if true. Also he stated one of the exit doors was blocked by a man that is what the interview stated. Just passing it along .
I heard that too about the door being blocked, but it turned out that the man blocking the door was one of the people of the club, he was worried that there was another shooter in the ally so he was blocking the door so the shooter could not get in, but it turned out there was no other shooter in the ally. |
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Location: Missouri | RidenFly - 2016-06-13 12:41 PM
My stomach hurts over this. Plus, I keep thinking of the uproar a Christian recieved when he refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding. The outrage on social media was severe. Now you'd think today, we'd have all Americans of all parties having a field day over this. It's crickets about the man's belief, its all about guns, guns, guns. I have never been a name caller, but honestly, you Liberals to probably no fault of your own, have been brainwashed. Badly. It's okay to scream outrage over someone that isn't White, Christian or a CEO.
I thought of this also. Christians taken to court and the public outcry bc they wouldn't bake a danged cake. But no such outcry here, and these people either lost their lives or suffered bodily harm. I don't get it.  |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bibliafarm - 2016-06-13 12:38 PM a few witnesses stated they heard another shooter. Not sure if true. Also he stated one of the exit doors was blocked by a man that is what the interview stated. Just passing it along .
Last night on 2020, they mentioned, one time, that a security guard for the club shot at the "shooter".....but that was the last I ever heard about him. People have to remember that this went on for about 2-3 hours.....he didn't shoot them all at once. He hunted some down! |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Trumps on CNN now, talking the gun laws that old Hilary and the Prez wants to do away with. |
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Location: Florida.. | NJJ - 2016-06-13 2:17 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-06-13 12:38 PM a few witnesses stated they heard another shooter. Not sure if true. Also he stated one of the exit doors was blocked by a man that is what the interview stated. Just passing it along . Last night on 2020, they mentioned, one time, that a security guard for the club shot at the "shooter".....but that was the last I ever heard about him. People have to remember that this went on for about 2-3 hours.....he didn't shoot them all at once. He hunted some down!
thank you for clearing that up..
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2016-06-13 1:42 PM NJJ - 2016-06-13 2:17 PM Bibliafarm - 2016-06-13 12:38 PM a few witnesses stated they heard another shooter. Not sure if true. Also he stated one of the exit doors was blocked by a man that is what the interview stated. Just passing it along . Last night on 2020, they mentioned, one time, that a security guard for the club shot at the "shooter".....but that was the last I ever heard about him. People have to remember that this went on for about 2-3 hours.....he didn't shoot them all at once. He hunted some down!
south... Saudi Arabia was the trip from what the news mentioned.. I dont know if truth..
I wonder what he was doing over there if all thats true?
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Location: Bandera, TX | magic gunsmoke - 2016-06-12 9:11 PM These are the stories that make me terrified to be a teacher. We are seriously sitting ducks and responsible for the lives of children.
I hope that my son returns to TX and to our little one room school house with the gun toting teacher. My granddaughter deserves to learn in peace and have a good shot at college acceptance. 99% are accepted into their college of choice. Love our teacher! |
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Location: midwest mama | The Orlando Shooter has Sanpaku eyes.
A healthy, "balanced" person would have the iris positioned right in the middle, so that the whites can be seen only on either side. Some people, however, have the iris "floating" so that the whites can be seen on the sides as well as below or above the iris. This condition is called sanpaku meaning "three whites". This is a sign of poor health and mental imbalance. People with Sanpaku eyes might suffer from severe depression, memory loss, severe mood swings, and anger, or may even end up with a criminal record. Research it!
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Location: Missouri | Three 4 Luck - 2016-06-13 4:01 PM
You made me look at my eyes in the mirror. Hahahaha
Me too, Three 4 Luck! I immediately got up and checked the mirror.
Interesting though. I've never heard of that. |
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Location: Florida.. | Facts . He worshipped at a mosque where another terrorist worshipped and he slurred Arabic and radical views. Coworkers had called police several times due to his conversations ..He traveled to Saudi 3 times,his family has ties to AlQeada,he was investigated 3 times but had no proof,he legally purchased the guns since he wasn't on a list .he watched radical Islamic videos .these are facts. Fbi coordinator was on news .the guy clearly was a radical terrorist |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2016-06-13 7:19 PM Facts . He worshipped at a mosque where another terrorist worshipped and he slurred Arabic and radical views. Coworkers had called police several times due to his conversations ..He traveled to Saudi 3 times,his family has ties to AlQeada,he was investigated 3 times but had no proof,he legally purchased the guns since he wasn't on a list .he watched radical Islamic videos .these are facts. Fbi coordinator was on news .the guy clearly was a radical terrorist
Got some really good facts here so what more do they need to prove that hes a terroist? He killed 50 people and wounded 53, if thats not terrorism then what is? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | OldSchoolCowgirl - 2016-06-13 3:36 PM The Orlando Shooter has Sanpaku eyes. A healthy, "balanced" person would have the iris positioned right in the middle, so that the whites can be seen only on either side. Some people, however, have the iris "floating" so that the whites can be seen on the sides as well as below or above the iris. This condition is called sanpaku meaning "three whites". This is a sign of poor health and mental imbalance. People with Sanpaku eyes might suffer from severe depression, memory loss, severe mood swings, and anger, or may even end up with a criminal record. Research it!
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Location: Florida.. | exactly. Isis has stepped up claiming but who knows. He was radicalized over time they said. The Orlando Sheriff and a Spokesperson said .it is considered a act of terror and done by a radical terrorist. although Obama has yet to say it. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Turner1 - 2016-06-13 10:33 AM fatchance - 2016-06-13 9:08 AM How in the heck did he get pass the guard who was a cop, with an AR-15. Mind boggling.
Obama has tied the hands of law enforcement, the FBI, CIA, ICE, Border Patrol etc. Pretty hard to do your job since Obama took over. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | http://conservativetribune.com/hillarys-state-dept-orlando-attack/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=PostBottomSharingButtons&utm_content=2016-06-13&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons
Advertisement - story continues below BREAKING: Hillary’s State Dept. DELETED Records That Could Have Stopped Orlando Attack Following the tragic terrorist shooting attack in San Bernardino in December, it was revealed by a former Department of Homeland Security agent that he had been running a special investigation that potentially could have prevented that attack from taking place. Now, following the even more deadly mass shooting terrorist assault on a nightclub in Orlando, Florida, that same agent is suggesting that his investigation could have prevented that attack from occurring as well. According to WND, retired DHS agent Philip Haney had been running a special investigation into a worldwide Islamist movement originating from Pakistan known as Tablighi Jamaat. In the course of his investigation, Haney uncovered numerous connections between several mosques and individuals in the U.S. with known terrorists and terrorist organizations, including Al Qaida and Hamas, among others. Unfortunately, just as Haney’s investigation was really ramping up, it was shut down in a joint effort by then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s State Department and the Civil Rights division of DHS, due to “concern” that the investigation was unfairly targeting Muslims. Making matters worse, much of the important information and links Haney had documented were summarily deleted in 2012. Had the investigation not been halted, and the information deleted, there’s no telling what radical Islamic mayhem could have been prevented — including, possibly, the San Bernardino and Orlando attacks. What couldn’t be deleted was the information remaining in Haney’s mind, and following the attack in Orlando and the revelation of the mosque the shooter attended. Haney knew the mosque was familiar, and did some digging. He quickly determined that the gunman’s mosque, the Islamic Center of Fort Pierce, was part of the network he had uncovered five years ago. “This case struck me as very similar to the San Bernardino shooting case,” Haney said. “I suspected that they were both part of a national and international network of organizations.” Using only open-source material, Haney was able to reestablish the connections he first discovered years ago in the span of only a few hours. That left him critical of the FBI’s efforts at previously investigating the Orlando jihadist. “It means they didn’t go through the same basic, analytical process that I went through over a three- or four-hour period in which I was able to link the mosque to my previous cases,” he said.
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Location: Florida.. | WOW.. I really feel this mosque has been practicing radical behavior.. also when you said clinton administration put a halt to it.. do you think since saudi arabia has donated Millions to the clinton foundation that it had anything to do with the actions.. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2016-06-13 8:56 PM WOW.. I really feel this mosque has been practicing radical behavior.. also when you said clinton administration put a halt to it.. do you think since saudi arabia has donated Millions to the clinton foundation that it had anything to do with the actions..
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bibliafarm - 2016-06-13 9:03 PM yes me to.. this guy made several trips there to.. makes you wonder.. doesnt it.......................
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Location: Pacific Northwest | Living in an area that has always been very accepting of the LGBT lifestyle, this is eye opening and scary. I think in the entire 3 years I've been with my girlfriend we've had someone be rude to us in public ONCE. Not that we are big on PDA but we do hold hands sometimes, and once when passing a lady she just stared at us and said "Jesus is coming", and walked off. Recently I've been having really strange anxiety over someone reacting badly, and then this happened. I don't care if you're racist or don't agree with someone's lifestyle...you don't have to shoot them |
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Location: North Texas | livexlovexrodeo - 2016-06-13 11:16 PM
Living in an area that has always been very accepting of the LGBT lifestyle, this is eye opening and scary. I think in the entire 3 years I've been with my girlfriend we've had someone be rude to us in public ONCE. Not that we are big on PDA but we do hold hands sometimes, and once when passing a lady she just stared at us and said "Jesus is coming", and walked off. Recently I've been having really strange anxiety over someone reacting badly, and then this happened. I don't care if you're racist or don't agree with someone's lifestyle...you don't have to shoot them
I agree. Disagreeing with One's Lifestyle is one thing. Having no compassion is something altogether different. And then being willing to kill someone over these difference is another thing entirely.
However, when viewed from The Islamic Point of View, it is acceptable to kill anyone who is different or does not agree with Islam. This goes back 1400 years. The History is replete with these types of episodes.
Therefore, I believe Thomas Jefferson was correct in His Actions of dealing with The Barbary Pirates in 1803. (The Barbary Pirates were Islamist Fanatics as well.) He sent in The Marines and eliminated the threat to American Security. Perhaps Today's Leadership should take some history lessons.................................... |
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Location: Texas!! | TXBO - 2016-06-13 10:07 AM
cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-06-13 9:11 AM..... There is no question why he did it. Not only do they hate America, they also hate and kill gays on the regular in some muslim countries. ....
It's not that simple. Many extremist Muslims believe that the only way a homosexual can get to heaven is to pay the punishment of death. From that perspective, it's a mercy killing, based on love.
Wow TXBO, I think you may have called it. According to the news reports this morning.....So,so sad. |
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Location: Kansas | Gov. Scott of Florida discussed on FOX this morning the fact that Obama has refused to converse with him about this terrorist attack. Recently when Scott asked the WH to share with him the history of Muslim refugees being dropped off in Florida communities, he'd been told these people have a right to their privacy and will not share info on their backgrounds. Scott feels the safety of American citizens comes first.
Muslim refugees in Europe are causing chaos on many levels. Europe can't reverse what they've done as far as opening their borders to these unvetted refugees. We're headed the same direction. |
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Location: North Texas | Frodo - 2016-06-14 7:35 AM
Gov. Scott of Florida discussed on FOX this morning the fact that Obama has refused to converse with him about this terrorist attack. Recently when Scott asked the WH to share with him the history of Muslim refugees being dropped off in Florida communities, he'd been told these people have a right to their privacy and will not share info on their backgrounds. Scott feels the safety of American citizens comes first.
Muslim refugees in Europe are causing chaos on many levels. Europe can't reverse what they've done as far as opening their borders to these unvetted refugees. We're headed the same direction.
Yes America is. And Current Leadership is fine with that direction due to 'Diversity' and 'Tolerance' along with 'Political Correctness'. History teaches America and The World just where these mindsets lead. I.E. Twentieth Century's WWI and WWII...................................But yet Academics (Liberals) are doing their dead level best to erase the teaching of this pertinent history. Note: Current Day Academicians can be traced to the Draft Dodgers of The Viet Nam War in the 60s. Instead of being drafted, these Individuals went to College and stayed there to create what is now Political Correctness! Thanks A lot You Fools! |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | foundation horse - 2016-06-14 8:55 AM Frodo - 2016-06-14 7:35 AM Gov. Scott of Florida discussed on FOX this morning the fact that Obama has refused to converse with him about this terrorist attack. Recently when Scott asked the WH to share with him the history of Muslim refugees being dropped off in Florida communities, he'd been told these people have a right to their privacy and will not share info on their backgrounds. Scott feels the safety of American citizens comes first.
Muslim refugees in Europe are causing chaos on many levels. Europe can't reverse what they've done as far as opening their borders to these unvetted refugees. We're headed the same direction. Yes America is. And Current Leadership is fine with that direction due to 'Diversity' and 'Tolerance' along with 'Political Correctness'. History teaches America and The World just where these mindsets lead. I.E. Twentieth Century's WWI and WWII...................................But yet Academics (Liberals ) are doing their dead level best to erase the teaching of this pertinent history. Note: Current Day Academicians can be traced to the Draft Dodgers of The Viet Nam War in the 60s. Instead of being drafted, these Individuals went to College and stayed there to create what is now Political Correctness! Thanks A lot You Fools!
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| As an individual, you all know that I've debated and been against the wall in my opinion for years, here, there, everywhere. However, I'm finding that debating the other party is increasingly becoming more about anger and hate then debating issues or facts at least how we may interpet them. I didn't think we'd ever as a nation become more divided then we seem to be at the moment. So many people are going to snap over this that for the first time, I feel actual fear for voicing an opinion on social media. This isn't what America is about and when I look for a leader to speak for me, It blows my mind that Trump is honestly the one doing it. A part of me wants to hide under a rock. Is it so important to be right in absolutes or is it better to work together putting differences aside for a common goal. Sure, I waiver on my beliefs about homosexuality but I want us all to be safe, free and happy. This sucks. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | TXBO - 2016-06-13 10:00 AM cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-06-13 9:11 AM ... An American gay nightclub is a jackpot for them.
pinkpistols.com
Their mott is:
"We teach queers to shoot. Then we teach other that we have done so."
I hope the movement continues to grow. I think it's the only way.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Now I heard that the shooter was a regular at the night club, been going for almost 3 years. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | The Dems have lost their minds. Today after Paul Ryan asked for a minute of silence for the people that lost their lifes in Orlando, the Dems started to yell they weren't going to stay silent anymore and asked where is the bill for gun control. Once again they just don't get it. They want to disarm us so we can become sitting ducks while avoiding the real problem, radical Islams. How about stopping the PC BS and stop the invasion of these people who come here and won't assimilate and bring all of their crap over here from the hell hole they came from. The liberals are going to have to make a choice to which minority they are going to protect and it's a pretty easy choice unless you are a complete moron. This guy puts it in plain English.
Gay conservative firebrand Milo Yiannopoulos called out Islam and its culture in a statement that is bound to tick off the politically correct crowd.
While discussing the Orlando terrorist attack, Yiannopoulos said that Islam was the single greatest threat to western civilization, more so than any other issue in the country.
“It’s not just about terrorism, it’s not just about Islamism, it’s not about radical Islam, it’s not about political Islam, [or] any of the other euphemistic phrases that the media uses to try to distract attention from the fact that we have an Islam problem,” Yiannopoulos said.
“It is horrifying to me to see the greatest, the deadliest, the bloodiest mass shooting in America’s history being Muslim-on-gay crime,” said Yiannopoulos. “This is what I’ve been writing about for years. The minority wars that the progressive left has put into.”
“It’s mystifying to me why the progressive left has put Muslims at the top of the victimhood hierarchy … It’s particularly worrying because the Muslims want to kill everyone else on that pyramid. They want to kill the gays, the trannies, the blacks, you name it. They don’t have much respect for women. This is going to be a problem for America for decades to come.”
“America has got to decide, very simply, if it wants female emancipation, gay rights, and tolerance for other skin colours, religious persuasions, and other points of view — or if it wants Islam,” said Yiannopoulos. “The choice is really that simple.”
Read more: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/06/13/gay-conservative-milo-yiannopoulos-makes-eye-opening-statement-following-orlando-attack-352068#ixzz4BZTqP7zc
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Nevertooold - 2016-06-14 11:05 AM The Dems have lost their minds. Today after Paul Ryan asked for a minute of silence for the people that lost their lifes in Orlando, the Dems started to yell they weren't going to stay silent anymore and asked where is the bill for gun control. Once again they just don't get it. They want to disarm us so we can become sitting ducks while avoiding the real problem, radical Islams. How about stopping the PC BS and stop the invasion of these people who come here and won't assimilate and bring all of their crap over here from the hell hole they came from. The liberals are going to have to make a choice to which minority they are going to protect and it's a pretty easy choice unless you are a complete moron. This guy puts it in plain English.
Gay conservative firebrand Milo Yiannopoulos called out Islam and its culture in a statement that is bound to tick off the politically correct crowd.
While discussing the Orlando terrorist attack, Yiannopoulos said that Islam was the single greatest threat to western civilization, more so than any other issue in the country.
“It’s not just about terrorism, it’s not just about Islamism, it’s not about radical Islam, it’s not about political Islam, [or] any of the other euphemistic phrases that the media uses to try to distract attention from the fact that we have an Islam problem,” Yiannopoulos said.
“It is horrifying to me to see the greatest, the deadliest, the bloodiest mass shooting in America’s history being Muslim-on-gay crime,” said Yiannopoulos. “This is what I’ve been writing about for years. The minority wars that the progressive left has put into.”
“It’s mystifying to me why the progressive left has put Muslims at the top of the victimhood hierarchy … It’s particularly worrying because the Muslims want to kill everyone else on that pyramid. They want to kill the gays, the trannies, the blacks, you name it. They don’t have much respect for women. This is going to be a problem for America for decades to come.”
“America has got to decide, very simply, if it wants female emancipation, gay rights, and tolerance for other skin colours, religious persuasions, and other points of view — or if it wants Islam,” said Yiannopoulos. “The choice is really that simple.”
Read more: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/06/13/gay-conservative-milo-yiannopoulos-makes-eye-opening-statement-following-orlando-attack-352068#ixzz4BZTqP7zc
Thanks for posting this NTO, there is so much truth to this.. We do have a problem and nobody wants to do anything about it.. |
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Location: North Texas | TXBO - 2016-06-14 10:42 AM
foundation horse - 2016-06-14 5:32 AM ..... Therefore, I believe Thomas Jefferson was correct in His Actions of dealing with The Barbary Pirates in 1803. (The Barbary Pirates were Islamist Fanatics as well.) He sent in The Marines and eliminated the threat to American Security. Perhaps Today's Leadership should take some history lessons....................................
Absolutely right.... and that gave birth the US Navy.
Actually the Navy pre-exists that event. However, that event is what put The U.S. Navy (and Marine Corps) on the World Map so to speak. |
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| foundation horse - 2016-06-14 11:29 AM TXBO - 2016-06-14 10:42 AM foundation horse - 2016-06-14 5:32 AM ..... Therefore, I believe Thomas Jefferson was correct in His Actions of dealing with The Barbary Pirates in 1803. (The Barbary Pirates were Islamist Fanatics as well.) He sent in The Marines and eliminated the threat to American Security. Perhaps Today's Leadership should take some history lessons.................................... Absolutely right.... and that gave birth the US Navy. Actually the Navy pre-exists that event. However, that event is what put The U.S. Navy (and Marine Corps ) on the World Map so to speak.
Yes but not paying ransom to the Barary Pirates was the motivation to raise the Navy. |
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Location: North Texas | TXBO - 2016-06-14 11:33 AM
foundation horse - 2016-06-14 11:29 AM TXBO - 2016-06-14 10:42 AM foundation horse - 2016-06-14 5:32 AM ..... Therefore, I believe Thomas Jefferson was correct in His Actions of dealing with The Barbary Pirates in 1803. (The Barbary Pirates were Islamist Fanatics as well.) He sent in The Marines and eliminated the threat to American Security. Perhaps Today's Leadership should take some history lessons.................................... Absolutely right.... and that gave birth the US Navy. Actually the Navy pre-exists that event. However, that event is what put The U.S. Navy (and Marine Corps ) on the World Map so to speak.
Yes, You are correct.
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Location: North Texas | NJJ - 2016-06-14 9:07 AM
foundation horse - 2016-06-14 8:55 AM Frodo - 2016-06-14 7:35 AM Gov. Scott of Florida discussed on FOX this morning the fact that Obama has refused to converse with him about this terrorist attack. Recently when Scott asked the WH to share with him the history of Muslim refugees being dropped off in Florida communities, he'd been told these people have a right to their privacy and will not share info on their backgrounds. Scott feels the safety of American citizens comes first.
Muslim refugees in Europe are causing chaos on many levels. Europe can't reverse what they've done as far as opening their borders to these unvetted refugees. We're headed the same direction. Yes America is. And Current Leadership is fine with that direction due to 'Diversity' and 'Tolerance' along with 'Political Correctness'. History teaches America and The World just where these mindsets lead. I.E. Twentieth Century's WWI and WWII...................................But yet Academics (Liberals ) are doing their dead level best to erase the teaching of this pertinent history. Note: Current Day Academicians can be traced to the Draft Dodgers of The Viet Nam War in the 60s. Instead of being drafted, these Individuals went to College and stayed there to create what is now Political Correctness! Thanks A lot You Fools!
Ummm, Trump does NOT fall under the category of "Academician". He only partially meets the criteria I described. |
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| I have had a fear for 2 years that Obama will never leave office. You can flame me all you want. This man has caused so much division in our country. I can't respect a man that goes around apologizing to people that hate America! I will never forgive him for what he allowed Iran do to our military! Hold guns to their heads, are you kidding? Did he forget that's the reason his butt gets to walk around free and play KING! I happen to love my country and I feel we wouldn't have to kill other people if we didn't have to defend their butts! Why are so many people out of work? Why are our major companies leaving the US? I feel this President has caused this mess. I was a Democrat for years and God knows I ain't no more. To fill our white house with people that hate our guts and let them have access to our most guarded secrets is insane! Hillary Clinton is a crook starting when she lived in Arkansas. I lived there at that time. You people have no idea the criminal stuff those 2 were involved in. It got hushed up. She is guilty of everything the FBI is investigating her on and you can bet Bill has his hands in it to. I pray to God that he unveils all these thugs and America will be safe again! If not I feel goodbye to a once free land. I feel so sorry for all those people that have lost their lives due to this mess our country is in. May God bless America!
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Location: Florida | LP22654 - 2016-06-14 4:55 PM I have had a fear for 2 years that Obama will never leave office. You can flame me all you want. This man has caused so much division in our country. I can't respect a man that goes around apologizing to people that hate America! I will never forgive him for what he allowed Iran do to our military! Hold guns to their heads, are you kidding? Did he forget that's the reason his butt gets to walk around free and play KING! I happen to love my country and I feel we wouldn't have to kill other people if we didn't have to defend their butts! Why are so many people out of work? Why are our major companies leaving the US? I feel this President has caused this mess. I was a Democrat for years and God knows I ain't no more. To fill our white house with people that hate our guts and let them have access to our most guarded secrets is insane! Hillary Clinton is a crook starting when she lived in Arkansas. I lived there at that time. You people have no idea the criminal stuff those 2 were involved in. It got hushed up. She is guilty of everything the FBI is investigating her on and you can bet Bill has his hands in it to. I pray to God that he unveils all these thugs and America will be safe again! If not I feel goodbye to a once free land. I feel so sorry for all those people that have lost their lives due to this mess our country is in. May God bless America!
Just 6 more months before I get to say I told you so. Democrats, including Obama, believe in our democracy. We proved it when one corrupt Florida AG stole the election from Gore and gave it to George W Bush. Say what you want but I never spoke hatred or disrespect for our President Bush, he was our president and as an American I would not do that in public. I hope everyone will show the same respect to whomever wins this next election. We can't afford to show the world discontent or we could have our own ISIS by some other name.
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Location: So. California | rodeomom3 - 2016-06-14 9:12 AM Southtxponygirl - 2016-06-14 11:04 AM Now I heard that the shooter was a regular at the night club, been going for almost 3 years. Other gay clubs too, also had a gay connection app on phone. Pretty clear he was gay.
As more information is being revealed, this story is taking twist and turns, that I don't believe anyone expected. I "heard" that the father is now claiming "... my son was a fanatic, ISIS supporter, he was not gay". Can you imagine wanting your child to be a murdering extremist, rather than admit he might be gay? WTH.............. Praying for the victims, families, friends, first responders, doctors, nurses, anyone involved in this horrible tragedy. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | rodeomom3 - 2016-06-14 6:47 PM Watching Greta interview an Imam from Florida, said he does not condemn the stoning of a woman for adultery and how can we as Americans who have the death penalty think the stoning is wrong??
We turned it off...Greta shouldn't give people like that any kind of platform. The so called good Muslim's aren't standing up and saying the radicals are wrong so why should we be concerned about protecting someone that refuses to help and protect the Americamn people.
I don't believe for one minute the shooter was gay. The libs will try to twist and turn everything. It's about Obama's legacy and the up coming election. Obama acted like a fool today on TV scoulding the American people like we are all like his sheeple.
I do believe he was seen at gay clubs as he was probably trying to decide which one he was going to attack. A gunman doesn't walk into a scenario that he isn't familar with the layout of the building.
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| Nevertooold - 2016-06-14 6:58 PM rodeomom3 - 2016-06-14 6:47 PM Watching Greta interview an Imam from Florida, said he does not condemn the stoning of a woman for adultery and how can we as Americans who have the death penalty think the stoning is wrong??
We turned it off...Greta shouldn't give people like that any kind of platform. The so called good Muslim's aren't standing up and saying the radicals are wrong so why should we be concerned about protecting someone that refuses to help and protect the Americamn people.
I don't believe for one minute the shooter was gay. The libs will try to twist and turn everything. It's about Obama's legacy and the up coming election. Obama acted like a fool today on TV scoulding the American people like we are all like his sheeple.
I do believe he was seen at gay clubs as he was probably trying to decide which one he was going to attack. A gunman doesn't walk into a scenario that he isn't familar with the layout of the building.
Agree with all of this but they said he had been going to gay clubs for 3 years and was using a gay app used to connect with other gays. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | rodeomom3 - 2016-06-14 7:04 PM Nevertooold - 2016-06-14 6:58 PM rodeomom3 - 2016-06-14 6:47 PM Watching Greta interview an Imam from Florida, said he does not condemn the stoning of a woman for adultery and how can we as Americans who have the death penalty think the stoning is wrong??
We turned it off...Greta shouldn't give people like that any kind of platform. The so called good Muslim's aren't standing up and saying the radicals are wrong so why should we be concerned about protecting someone that refuses to help and protect the Americamn people.
I don't believe for one minute the shooter was gay. The libs will try to twist and turn everything. It's about Obama's legacy and the up coming election. Obama acted like a fool today on TV scoulding the American people like we are all like his sheeple.
I do believe he was seen at gay clubs as he was probably trying to decide which one he was going to attack. A gunman doesn't walk into a scenario that he isn't familar with the layout of the building.
If in fact he was gay, which I don't believe, he wasn't very gay since he had 2 wifes and 2 kids. Why would a gay person want to kill 49 gays? Makes absolutely no sense. I still think he was stalking and trying to decide which club he was going to attack. |
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Location: Missouri | Nevertooold - 2016-06-14 6:58 PM
rodeomom3 - 2016-06-14 6:47 PM Watching Greta interview an Imam from Florida, said he does not condemn the stoning of a woman for adultery and how can we as Americans who have the death penalty think the stoning is wrong?? We turned it off...Greta shouldn't give people like that any kind of platform. The so called good Muslim's aren't standing up and saying the radicals are wrong so why should we be concerned about protecting someone that refuses to help and protect the Americamn people.
I don't believe for one minute the shooter was gay. The libs will try to twist and turn everything. It's about Obama's legacy and the up coming election. Obama acted like a fool today on TV scoulding the American people like we are all like his sheeple.
I do believe he was seen at gay clubs as he was probably trying to decide which one he was going to attack. A gunman doesn't walk into a scenario that he isn't familar with the layout of the building.
I didn't see whatever Obama said on tv....but just curious what the heck he was scolding the American people FOR? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Nevertooold - 2016-06-14 7:11 PM
rodeomom3 - 2016-06-14 7:04 PM Nevertooold - 2016-06-14 6:58 PM rodeomom3 - 2016-06-14 6:47 PM Watching Greta interview an Imam from Florida, said he does not condemn the stoning of a woman for adultery and how can we as Americans who have the death penalty think the stoning is wrong??
We turned it off...Greta shouldn't give people like that any kind of platform. The so called good Muslim's aren't standing up and saying the radicals are wrong so why should we be concerned about protecting someone that refuses to help and protect the Americamn people.
I don't believe for one minute the shooter was gay. The libs will try to twist and turn everything. It's about Obama's legacy and the up coming election. Obama acted like a fool today on TV scoulding the American people like we are all like his sheeple.
I do believe he was seen at gay clubs as he was probably trying to decide which one he was going to attack. A gunman doesn't walk into a scenario that he isn't familar with the layout of the building.
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| Bear - 2016-06-14 7:54 PM Nevertooold - 2016-06-14 7:11 PM rodeomom3 - 2016-06-14 7:04 PM Nevertooold - 2016-06-14 6:58 PM rodeomom3 - 2016-06-14 6:47 PM Watching Greta interview an Imam from Florida, said he does not condemn the stoning of a woman for adultery and how can we as Americans who have the death penalty think the stoning is wrong??
We turned it off...Greta shouldn't give people like that any kind of platform. The so called good Muslim's aren't standing up and saying the radicals are wrong so why should we be concerned about protecting someone that refuses to help and protect the Americamn people.
I don't believe for one minute the shooter was gay. The libs will try to twist and turn everything. It's about Obama's legacy and the up coming election. Obama acted like a fool today on TV scoulding the American people like we are all like his sheeple.
I do believe he was seen at gay clubs as he was probably trying to decide which one he was going to attack. A gunman doesn't walk into a scenario that he isn't familar with the layout of the building.
Some say Obozo is gay.
Lots of gay men marry and have children, happens all the time. There is no way he could live openly as a gay man. I think it is plausible that his anger and rage issues had to do with the fact he was struggling with being something his religion condemns with death. Rumors of him being gay go back to high school. He attacked gays because he hated what he was. |
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| Vickie - 2016-06-14 4:09 PM LP22654 - 2016-06-14 4:55 PM I have had a fear for 2 years that Obama will never leave office. You can flame me all you want. This man has caused so much division in our country. I can't respect a man that goes around apologizing to people that hate America! I will never forgive him for what he allowed Iran do to our military! Hold guns to their heads, are you kidding? Did he forget that's the reason his butt gets to walk around free and play KING! I happen to love my country and I feel we wouldn't have to kill other people if we didn't have to defend their butts! Why are so many people out of work? Why are our major companies leaving the US? I feel this President has caused this mess. I was a Democrat for years and God knows I ain't no more. To fill our white house with people that hate our guts and let them have access to our most guarded secrets is insane! Hillary Clinton is a crook starting when she lived in Arkansas. I lived there at that time. You people have no idea the criminal stuff those 2 were involved in. It got hushed up. She is guilty of everything the FBI is investigating her on and you can bet Bill has his hands in it to. I pray to God that he unveils all these thugs and America will be safe again! If not I feel goodbye to a once free land. I feel so sorry for all those people that have lost their lives due to this mess our country is in. May God bless America! Just 6 more months before I get to say I told you so. Democrats, including Obama, believe in our democracy. We proved it when one corrupt Florida AG stole the election from Gore and gave it to George W Bush. Say what you want but I never spoke hatred or disrespect for our President Bush, he was our president and as an American I would not do that in public. I hope everyone will show the same respect to whomever wins this next election. We can't afford to show the world discontent or we could have our own ISIS by some other name.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | This just keeps getting stranger and stranger as things are found out about this monster, I myself thinks he was just casing out the gay clubs to see where he could get the most out of what he was planning. I was reading that the club he hit and was hanging out at he pulled a knife on some of the men that were getting friendly with himso they all stayed away from him after the knife thing, I wondered too if he was gay but was just fighting it. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | rodeomom3 - 2016-06-14 9:33 PM Vickie - 2016-06-14 4:09 PM LP22654 - 2016-06-14 4:55 PM I have had a fear for 2 years that Obama will never leave office. You can flame me all you want. This man has caused so much division in our country. I can't respect a man that goes around apologizing to people that hate America! I will never forgive him for what he allowed Iran do to our military! Hold guns to their heads, are you kidding? Did he forget that's the reason his butt gets to walk around free and play KING! I happen to love my country and I feel we wouldn't have to kill other people if we didn't have to defend their butts! Why are so many people out of work? Why are our major companies leaving the US? I feel this President has caused this mess. I was a Democrat for years and God knows I ain't no more. To fill our white house with people that hate our guts and let them have access to our most guarded secrets is insane! Hillary Clinton is a crook starting when she lived in Arkansas. I lived there at that time. You people have no idea the criminal stuff those 2 were involved in. It got hushed up. She is guilty of everything the FBI is investigating her on and you can bet Bill has his hands in it to. I pray to God that he unveils all these thugs and America will be safe again! If not I feel goodbye to a once free land. I feel so sorry for all those people that have lost their lives due to this mess our country is in. May God bless America! Just 6 more months before I get to say I told you so. Democrats, including Obama, believe in our democracy. We proved it when one corrupt Florida AG stole the election from Gore and gave it to George W Bush. Say what you want but I never spoke hatred or disrespect for our President Bush, he was our president and as an American I would not do that in public. I hope everyone will show the same respect to whomever wins this next election. We can't afford to show the world discontent or we could have our own ISIS by some other name.
Exactly... Obamo is making us Americans the bad guys here not the ones going around blowing up us people and beheading and shooting as many americans as they can get.. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Anniemae - 2016-06-14 4:50 PM rodeomom3 - 2016-06-14 9:12 AM Southtxponygirl - 2016-06-14 11:04 AM Now I heard that the shooter was a regular at the night club, been going for almost 3 years. Other gay clubs too, also had a gay connection app on phone. Pretty clear he was gay. As more information is being revealed, this story is taking twist and turns, that I don't believe anyone expected. I "heard" that the father is now claiming "... my son was a fanatic, ISIS supporter, he was not gay". Can you imagine wanting your child to be a murdering extremist, rather than admit he might be gay? WTH.............. Praying for the victims, families, friends, first responders, doctors, nurses, anyone involved in this horrible tragedy.
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Southtxponygirl - 2016-06-14 11:04 AM Now I heard that the shooter was a regular at the night club, been going for almost 3 years.
Other gay clubs too, also had a gay connection app on phone. Pretty clear he was gay.
i've just been lurking on this thread while catching up. Rodeomom - believe you've thrown out a valid variable. Aside from whatever connection he had with radicalism, after reading various reports (being gay growing up in texas - easier now than it was) I can certainly see some truth to instability regarding the shooters sexuality. From my experience, not realizing it at the time, some of the worst treatment I saw to others (I hid my sexuality for many years, not knowing any different - it is a struggle to understand and finally be comfortable in your own skin - at least for me) was from those that were or may have been struggling with it themselves. I can't imagine struggling with it with growing up in an "extreme" religion where it's totally not acceptable. He was married. There is guilt. I do not know. Just find this interesting. I believe there are many levels at play with why he did what he did. I do not know the answer and find it all very sad.
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Bear - 2016-06-14 7:54 PM Nevertooold - 2016-06-14 7:11 PM rodeomom3 - 2016-06-14 7:04 PM Nevertooold - 2016-06-14 6:58 PM rodeomom3 - 2016-06-14 6:47 PM Watching Greta interview an Imam from Florida, said he does not condemn the stoning of a woman for adultery and how can we as Americans who have the death penalty think the stoning is wrong??
We turned it off...Greta shouldn't give people like that any kind of platform. The so called good Muslim's aren't standing up and saying the radicals are wrong so why should we be concerned about protecting someone that refuses to help and protect the Americamn people.
I don't believe for one minute the shooter was gay. The libs will try to twist and turn everything. It's about Obama's legacy and the up coming election. Obama acted like a fool today on TV scoulding the American people like we are all like his sheeple.
I do believe he was seen at gay clubs as he was probably trying to decide which one he was going to attack. A gunman doesn't walk into a scenario that he isn't familar with the layout of the building.
Some say Obozo is gay.
bingo rodeomom.... my partner has told me he was not nice to feminine gay men when he was younger b/c he struggled with it himself. He knew he was gay and didn't want people to categorize him in the same status as a feminine man. He finds it embarrassing, even to this day, it makes him uncomfortable. b/c it embarrases him and doesn't want to be put into the same box. Me? I don't give a shiz anymore what people think of me. My partner has two wonderful children and lived as he thought he was supposed to for many, many years until he was about to explode.
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Location: MD | This guy lived about 30 mins north of where I grew up. A friend's son went to school with him. There are more than a handful of gay bars that he could have targeted within a 30 minute drive of his own home. He was never spotted in any of them. Orlando has a large gay community. It is easier to blend in and protect one's anonymity there than it would have been in the much smaller community closer to home. Just the same as many young, gay men who are raised with very strict religious beliefs commit suicide, so did this individual. He lashed out, but according to his beliefs, he made sure to find his way to Heaven, as well. I guarantee you that he had no intention of walking out of that club. He hadn't been going there, or to any of the other gay establishments that he frequented in Orlando to case out anything besides other men. He used his Jack'd account as it was intended... to hook up with other men.
Those individuals who have come forward, scared out of their minds and admitted to having hooked up with him in the past have described him as a brutal sexual partner. He displayed his hatred for them, himself and the act in which he was partaking. This was a very conflicted individual, trapped between his beliefs and his desires. I do not say any of this to defend this monster. I was there for the opening of this club. I had several friends there Saturday night, employees and patrons alike. I have friends who made it out unscathed. I also have friends who were carried out, dead on the scene. No gun laws would have prevented this. Honestly, better security probably wouldn't have prevented this either. The only end to such horrific acts would be the end of religions so extreme as to preach and teach such hate. Sadly, religion has been the cause of much senseless bloodshed throughout history. This is not me denouncing all religion, simply those who twist it into anything but love. |
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Location: Colorado | WrapSnap,
I had a long lunch yesterday with my BFF and her recently outed son. He is 19 and trying to fiq. out how he fits in here at home. College is easy. They do not know him as the 4-H kid, High School Athlete, etc..
Now this. He was really feeling the hate and not understanding. It breaks my heart.
I saw an interview with the woman who owns Pulse. She lost her brother to Aids and wanted this to be a safe place.
Please take care of yourself. Hugs from Colorado.
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Location: MD | Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-15 12:25 AM
WrapSnap,
I had a long lunch yesterday with my BFF and her recently outed son. He is 19 and trying to fiq. out how he fits in here at home. College is easy. They do not know him as the 4-H kid, High School Athlete, etc..
Now this. He was really feeling the hate and not understanding. It breaks my heart.
I saw an interview with the woman who owns Pulse. She lost her brother to Aids and wanted this to be a safe place.
Please take care of yourself. Hugs from Colorado.
karen
Although out in high school, I was also quite the conundrum to many. I was President of our FFA, an officer in $H, Jr FL Cattlemen's, did tons of Public Speaking for Farm Bureau, etc... It was sometimes very tough to be the gay guy who also represented the Youth Ag community in our area. I was met with a lot of resistance, but proved my worth to those who mattered. I caught a lot of flack in many circles. The one thing that I always held onto was that I was true to myself. My thoughts and prayers go out to your friend and her son. It sounds like he has a great support system to help him along his way. |
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Location: Florida.. | This was a terrorist that studied radical islam.. the fact he was gay or wasnt I really dont care.. I do NOT feel bad for him nor will I..we are focusing on that more then the fact that he murdered in cold blood .... I grieve for the ones that lost their lives and the families and community. I lived there in wellington and was around it and many friends and i can tell you not one would have acted this way.Nor would they have used it as a excuse for anything..He could be blue, red ,gay ,straight , transgender .. who cares.. he is a terrorist ..
there is NO excuse or reasoning but he was radicalized and planned this...a plain and simple A@@@@@@ that destroyed lives . he studied the videos , had many ties to it and became radical.. I will not give him a excuse!!
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Location: MD | I certainly don't feel as though I excused his behavior, nor do I feel badly for him. Did I say that he was conflicted? Yes. I can honestly tell you that my feelings and yours are much the same with regards to the situation. I merely wanted to shed what light I could with the information that I have from those who had interacted with him |
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Location: Florida.. | WrapSnap - 2016-06-15 9:01 AM I certainly don't feel as though I excused his behavior, nor do I feel badly for him. Did I say that he was conflicted? Yes. I can honestly tell you that my feelings and yours are much the same with regards to the situation. I merely wanted to shed what light I could with the information that I have from those who had interacted with him
It wasnt directed at you ...it was in general.. I see on internet they are focusing on that as well and it bothers me.. |
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| Bibliafarm - 2016-06-15 7:53 AM This was a terrorist that studied radical islam.. the fact he was gay or wasnt I really dont care.. I do NOT feel bad for him nor will I..we are focusing on that more then the fact that he murdered in cold blood .... I grieve for the ones that lost their lives and the families and community. I lived there in wellington and was around it and many friends and i can tell you not one would have acted this way.Nor would they have used it as a excuse for anything..He could be blue, red ,gay ,straight , transgender .. who cares.. he is a terrorist ..
there is NO excuse or reasoning but he was radicalized and planned this...a plain and simple A@@@@@@ that destroyed lives . he studied the videos , had many ties to it and became radical.. I will not give him a excuse!!
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Location: East Texas | I heard a psychology professor speaking on this subject this morning say that many times people who are gay struggle with all sorts of emotions, often feeling anger and sadness. But, he also said that there is no way that any of them, no matter how conflicted they feel, would do something as atrocious as this monster did without some other force driving them, such as this man’s radical Islamic beliefs. I don’t think he did this because he struggled with whether or not he was gay, straight or in between. I believe he did it because of the extreme, radical and horrific teachings of these radial idiots he followed. Other than there being such a big crowd at this club, why he picked to inflict his rage on this bunch of innocent people is probably not something we will ever truly know. |
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | WrapSnap - 2016-06-14 11:48 PM This guy lived about 30 mins north of where I grew up. A friend's son went to school with him. There are more than a handful of gay bars that he could have targeted within a 30 minute drive of his own home. He was never spotted in any of them. Orlando has a large gay community. It is easier to blend in and protect one's anonymity there than it would have been in the much smaller community closer to home. Just the same as many young, gay men who are raised with very strict religious beliefs commit suicide, so did this individual. He lashed out, but according to his beliefs, he made sure to find his way to Heaven, as well. I guarantee you that he had no intention of walking out of that club. He hadn't been going there, or to any of the other gay establishments that he frequented in Orlando to case out anything besides other men. He used his Jack'd account as it was intended... to hook up with other men. Those individuals who have come forward, scared out of their minds and admitted to having hooked up with him in the past have described him as a brutal sexual partner. He displayed his hatred for them, himself and the act in which he was partaking. This was a very conflicted individual, trapped between his beliefs and his desires. I do not say any of this to defend this monster. I was there for the opening of this club. I had several friends there Saturday night, employees and patrons alike. I have friends who made it out unscathed. I also have friends who were carried out, dead on the scene. No gun laws would have prevented this. Honestly, better security probably wouldn't have prevented this either. The only end to such horrific acts would be the end of religions so extreme as to preach and teach such hate. Sadly, religion has been the cause of much senseless bloodshed throughout history. This is not me denouncing all religion, simply those who twist it into anything but love.
So very sorry you lost friends in this tragedy. Thank you for your open, upfront and honest post. I think your last two sentences are so very accurate. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | The way Obama has handled this whole thing is beyond disgusting. He can't get out of office soon enough. |
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Location: North Texas | Vickie - 2016-06-14 4:09 PM
LP22654 - 2016-06-14 4:55 PM I have had a fear for 2 years that Obama will never leave office. You can flame me all you want. This man has caused so much division in our country. I can't respect a man that goes around apologizing to people that hate America! I will never forgive him for what he allowed Iran do to our military! Hold guns to their heads, are you kidding? Did he forget that's the reason his butt gets to walk around free and play KING! I happen to love my country and I feel we wouldn't have to kill other people if we didn't have to defend their butts! Why are so many people out of work? Why are our major companies leaving the US? I feel this President has caused this mess. I was a Democrat for years and God knows I ain't no more. To fill our white house with people that hate our guts and let them have access to our most guarded secrets is insane! Hillary Clinton is a crook starting when she lived in Arkansas. I lived there at that time. You people have no idea the criminal stuff those 2 were involved in. It got hushed up. She is guilty of everything the FBI is investigating her on and you can bet Bill has his hands in it to. I pray to God that he unveils all these thugs and America will be safe again! If not I feel goodbye to a once free land. I feel so sorry for all those people that have lost their lives due to this mess our country is in. May God bless America!
Just 6 more months before I get to say I told you so. Democrats, including Obama, believe in our democracy. We proved it when one corrupt Florida AG stole the election from Gore and gave it to George W Bush. Say what you want but I never spoke hatred or disrespect for our President Bush, he was our president and as an American I would not do that in public. I hope everyone will show the same respect to whomever wins this next election. We can't afford to show the world discontent or we could have our own ISIS by some other name.
To date, an Obama Figurine has not been burned in effigy such as George W. Bush's was on multiple occasions. And claiming Obama believes in Democracy, (when His use of Executive Orders and Unconstitutional Governmental Appointments while Congress was in Recess, so he could dodge Constitutional Congressional Approvals) is like Jeffrey Dahlmer was not a murderer............................ |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Nevertooold - 2016-06-15 11:15 AM The way Obama has handled this whole thing is beyond disgusting. He can't get out of office soon enough.
Yep, so really for him to be out, after 8 years of his crap, we need change and hope. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | This is well said.
Mr. President, I read in the The New York Times today where you reportedly blasted Donald J. Trump for wanting to tighten the borders and accused him of paintin...g a whole religion as violent. A Muslim can murder 49 innocent people in a gay club, and you still defend the religion of Islam.
But a Christian who refuses to bake a homosexual’s wedding cake endures prosecution, financial ruin, and nation-wide shaming because of their faith, and you stay silent!
What Omar Mateen did was following the teachings of the Koran. It is incomprehensible that you will not acknowledge the dangers of Islam’s teachings in order to protect the American people under your watch.
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I would imagine this incident would inflict a change of mind for some Hillary voters, to possibly vote for trump. Unfortunately Florida is a huge democratic and liberal state and I believe Hillary will win Florida, as well as Cali and some of the other big states due to us having a large number of immigrants.
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| Vickie - 2016-06-14 4:09 PM Just 6 more months before I get to say I told you so. Democrats, including Obama, believe in our democracy. ....
The problem is that Democrats actually think we live in a democracy instead of a Republic. Thus their total disdain for our Constitution. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | TXBO - 2016-06-15 3:59 PM Vickie - 2016-06-14 4:09 PM Just 6 more months before I get to say I told you so. Democrats, including Obama, believe in our democracy. ....
The problem is that Democrats actually think we live in a democracy instead of a Republic. Thus their total disdain for our Constitution.
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| 1DSoon - 2016-06-15 3:00 PM TXBO - 2016-06-15 3:59 PM Vickie - 2016-06-14 4:09 PM Just 6 more months before I get to say I told you so. Democrats, including Obama, believe in our democracy. ....
The problem is that Democrats actually think we live in a democracy instead of a Republic. Thus their total disdain for our Constitution.
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Location: North Texas | TXBO - 2016-06-15 3:22 PM
1DSoon - 2016-06-15 3:00 PM TXBO - 2016-06-15 3:59 PM Vickie - 2016-06-14 4:09 PM Just 6 more months before I get to say I told you so. Democrats, including Obama, believe in our democracy. ....
The problem is that Democrats actually think we live in a democracy instead of a Republic. Thus their total disdain for our Constitution.ALR
Is???????? ALREADY HAS!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Location: Kansas | RnRJack - 2016-06-15 12:54 PM I would imagine this incident would inflict a change of mind for some Hillary voters, to possibly vote for trump. Unfortunately Florida is a huge democratic and liberal state and I believe Hillary will win Florida, as well as Cali and some of the other big states due to us having a large number of immigrants. One can only hope not
I think the Hispanic vote is going to totally throw this election out of whack. It's all about entitlements. Wouldn't surprise me if sometime before the November election Obama finds a way to allow illegals to vote.
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Location: The Great Northwest | It is like Obama to show anger like he did towards Trump, but why didn't he show anger when talking of the Olando killer? |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | The shooters wife knew of his plans why did she not alert the police about this? Now shes got herself into alot of hot water over all this. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | skye - 2016-06-15 4:17 PM It is like Obama to show anger like he did towards Trump, but why didn't he show anger when talking of the Olando killer?
Yep just to claim and cool over this. Trump is the one showing all the anger. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | skye - 2016-06-15 4:17 PM
It is like Obama to show anger like he did towards Trump, but why didn't he show anger when talking of the Olando killer?
Because trump is a threat to him, and calls his bluff when no one else will! |
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Location: Northwest Florida | RnRJack - 2016-06-15 12:54 PM
I would imagine this incident would inflict a change of mind for some Hillary voters, to possibly vote for trump. Unfortunately Florida is a huge democratic and liberal state and I believe Hillary will win Florida, as well as Cali and some of the other big states due to us having a large number of immigrants.
One can only hope not
I really hope Hillary doesn't win Florida. I live in the panhandle, and all I see is Trump supporters... Every one I know up here is Republican, but I know as you travel down the state, that changes. I think the primary showed Trump's strength in Florida, blowing out little Marco in his own home state, so I definitely still have hope that Trump will take it. I know I'll be voting! |
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| Frodo - 2016-06-15 3:49 PM
RnRJack - 2016-06-15 12:54 PM I would imagine this incident would inflict a change of mind for some Hillary voters, to possibly vote for trump. Unfortunately Florida is a huge democratic and liberal state and I believe Hillary will win Florida, as well as Cali and some of the other big states due to us having a large number of immigrants. One can only hope not
I think the Hispanic vote is going to totally throw this election out of whack. It's all about entitlements. Wouldn't surprise me if sometime before the November election Obama finds a way to allow illegals to vote.
This was predicted when I was in high school, and that was a looooong time ago. That the Dems would push legalizing illegal immigrants and give them all kinds of entitlements as well as the right to vote, so that they would vote Democratic to keep their entitlements and eventually guarantee a permanent Democratic, leftist government.
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Location: The Great Northwest | Southtxponygirl - 2016-06-15 3:05 PM skye - 2016-06-15 4:17 PM It is like Obama to show anger like he did towards Trump, but why didn't he show anger when talking of the Olando killer?
Trump wants to make Americans proud again and bring back jobs and money. |
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Location: Florida.. | RnRJack - 2016-06-15 1:54 PM I would imagine this incident would inflict a change of mind for some Hillary voters, to possibly vote for trump. Unfortunately Florida is a huge democratic and liberal state and I believe Hillary will win Florida, as well as Cali and some of the other big states due to us having a large number of immigrants. One can only hope not I disagree about it being a liberal state.it was all red..mostly
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Location: The Great Northwest | Trump says we must tighten our borders to stop snakes like the killer at Orlando. Americans must not live in fear. These terror cells is reducing America to a fear riden country like the middle east countries.
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Location: Colorado | skye - 2016-06-15 8:40 PM Trump says we must tighten our borders to stop snakes like the killer at Orlando. Americans must not live in fear. These terror cells is reducing America to a fear riden country like the middle east countries.
Problem with that is the killer in Orlando was born in New York.
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Location: The Great Northwest | Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-15 8:46 PM skye - 2016-06-15 8:40 PM Trump says we must tighten our borders to stop snakes like the killer at Orlando. Americans must not live in fear. These terror cells is reducing America to a fear riden country like the middle east countries.
Problem with that is the killer in Orlando was born in New York.
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Location: North Texas | Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-15 10:46 PM
skye - 2016-06-15 8:40 PM Trump says we must tighten our borders to stop snakes like the killer at Orlando. Americans must not live in fear. These terror cells is reducing America to a fear riden country like the middle east countries.
Problem with that is the killer in Orlando was born in New York.
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To Afghan Immigrants. |
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| Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-15 10:46 PM skye - 2016-06-15 8:40 PM Trump says we must tighten our borders to stop snakes like the killer at Orlando. Americans must not live in fear. These terror cells is reducing America to a fear riden country like the middle east countries.
Problem with that is the killer in Orlando was born in New York.
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Yes, they left out the next sentence where he saids the killer was born here but his parents were not, the beliefs and ideology were not born here. He said stop immigration temporarily from specific regions till we get a handle on what is going on. |
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Location: Kansas | After all this, the Obama administration is planning to step up the process of bringing in Syrian refugees. They seem desperate to get them to the U.S. Guess why? Hillary is planning on an immediate 65,000 refugees.......the more the merrier. Besides the obvious, outvoting Americans in their own country, illegals are bankrupting our social programs. |
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Location: Colorado | foundation horse - 2016-06-16 3:47 AM Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-15 10:46 PM skye - 2016-06-15 8:40 PM Trump says we must tighten our borders to stop snakes like the killer at Orlando. Americans must not live in fear. These terror cells is reducing America to a fear riden country like the middle east countries.
Problem with that is the killer in Orlando was born in New York.
karen To Afghan Immigrants.
So how many generations are we going to require?
Are we going to do this by religon or region?
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| Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-16 8:14 AM
foundation horse - 2016-06-16 3:47 AM Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-15 10:46 PM skye - 2016-06-15 8:40 PM Trump says we must tighten our borders to stop snakes like the killer at Orlando. Americans must not live in fear. These terror cells is reducing America to a fear riden country like the middle east countries.
Problem with that is the killer in Orlando was born in New York.
karen To Afghan Immigrants.
Are we going to do this by religon or region?
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Region no different than what Obama did when he suspended Immigrants from Irag in 2011 for six months. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | jbhoot - 2016-06-16 9:24 AM Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-16 8:14 AM foundation horse - 2016-06-16 3:47 AM Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-15 10:46 PM skye - 2016-06-15 8:40 PM Trump says we must tighten our borders to stop snakes like the killer at Orlando. Americans must not live in fear. These terror cells is reducing America to a fear riden country like the middle east countries.
Problem with that is the killer in Orlando was born in New York.
karen To Afghan Immigrants.
Are we going to do this by religon or region?
karen Region no different than what Obama did when he suspended Immigrants from Irag in 2011 for six months.
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Location: Kansas | jbhoot - 2016-06-16 8:24 AM Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-16 8:14 AM foundation horse - 2016-06-16 3:47 AM Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-15 10:46 PM skye - 2016-06-15 8:40 PM Trump says we must tighten our borders to stop snakes like the killer at Orlando. Americans must not live in fear. These terror cells is reducing America to a fear riden country like the middle east countries.
Problem with that is the killer in Orlando was born in New York.
karen To Afghan Immigrants.
Are we going to do this by religon or region?
karen Region no different than what Obama did when he suspended Immigrants from Irag in 2011 for six months.
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Location: North Texas | Frodo - 2016-06-16 8:42 AM
jbhoot - 2016-06-16 8:24 AM Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-16 8:14 AM foundation horse - 2016-06-16 3:47 AM Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-15 10:46 PM skye - 2016-06-15 8:40 PM Trump says we must tighten our borders to stop snakes like the killer at Orlando. Americans must not live in fear. These terror cells is reducing America to a fear riden country like the middle east countries.
Problem with that is the killer in Orlando was born in New York.
karen To Afghan Immigrants.
Are we going to do this by religon or region?
karen Region no different than what Obama did when he suspended Immigrants from Irag in 2011 for six months.
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Location: The Great Northwest | foundation horse - 2016-06-16 6:49 AM Frodo - 2016-06-16 8:42 AM jbhoot - 2016-06-16 8:24 AM Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-16 8:14 AM foundation horse - 2016-06-16 3:47 AM Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-15 10:46 PM skye - 2016-06-15 8:40 PM Trump says we must tighten our borders to stop snakes like the killer at Orlando. Americans must not live in fear. These terror cells is reducing America to a fear riden country like the middle east countries.
Problem with that is the killer in Orlando was born in New York.
karen To Afghan Immigrants.
Are we going to do this by religon or region?
karen Region no different than what Obama did when he suspended Immigrants from Irag in 2011 for six months.
Or people are too dense to see, realize, accept, etc.
Trump addresses this in the speech. He would have better trained security and thoroughly investigate immigrants. Trump will have tight border control. Trump has been endorsed by the border control. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-16 9:14 AM foundation horse - 2016-06-16 3:47 AM Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-15 10:46 PM skye - 2016-06-15 8:40 PM Trump says we must tighten our borders to stop snakes like the killer at Orlando. Americans must not live in fear. These terror cells is reducing America to a fear riden country like the middle east countries.
Problem with that is the killer in Orlando was born in New York.
karen To Afghan Immigrants.
Are we going to do this by religon or region?
karen
Why would you oppose a restriction or at least tempory suspension for these immigrants?
You just more highly evolved than the rest of us?
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Anyone that lives on the Borders here knows how dangerous it is, and its getting worst and its going to keep on getting worst untill we get someone that understands this, we have got to get the borders under control. Hillary and Obamo dont give a rats butt about us that do live on the borders, they need to pay a visit down in mexico threw Texas and stay awhile. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | foundation horse - 2016-06-16 3:47 AM Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-15 10:46 PM skye - 2016-06-15 8:40 PM Trump says we must tighten our borders to stop snakes like the killer at Orlando. Americans must not live in fear. These terror cells is reducing America to a fear riden country like the middle east countries.
Problem with that is the killer in Orlando was born in New York.
karen To Afghan Immigrants.
That never assimilated and caused problems all through his school years.
Looks like his father instilled hatred for this country to his son. Why do people like this stay here. Go back where you came from. No different then illegals from Mexico flying their Mexican flags and burning American Flags. They aren't here to assimilate. They have become invaders that want to change America into the hell hole they came from.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Nevertooold - 2016-06-16 3:14 PM foundation horse - 2016-06-16 3:47 AM Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-15 10:46 PM skye - 2016-06-15 8:40 PM Trump says we must tighten our borders to stop snakes like the killer at Orlando. Americans must not live in fear. These terror cells is reducing America to a fear riden country like the middle east countries.
Problem with that is the killer in Orlando was born in New York.
karen To Afghan Immigrants.
Looks like his father instilled hatred for this country to his son. Why do people like this stay here. Go back where you came from. No different then illegals from Mexico flying their Mexican flags and burning American Flags. They aren't here to assimilate. They have become invaders that want to change America into the hell hole they came from.  , they want to trush our country and make it what they come from, they HATE America and they will do what ever it takes to tear it down to their level..
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Location: Colorado | 1DSoon - 2016-06-16 11:27 AM Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-16 9:14 AM foundation horse - 2016-06-16 3:47 AM Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-15 10:46 PM skye - 2016-06-15 8:40 PM Trump says we must tighten our borders to stop snakes like the killer at Orlando. Americans must not live in fear. These terror cells is reducing America to a fear riden country like the middle east countries.
Problem with that is the killer in Orlando was born in New York.
karen To Afghan Immigrants.
Are we going to do this by religon or region?
karen
You just more highly evolved than the rest of us?
I asked a simple guestion. And you respond with a snarky come back. Basic manners would go along way in this country these days.
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Location: Colorado | jbhoot - 2016-06-16 8:24 AM Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-16 8:14 AM foundation horse - 2016-06-16 3:47 AM Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-15 10:46 PM skye - 2016-06-15 8:40 PM Trump says we must tighten our borders to stop snakes like the killer at Orlando. Americans must not live in fear. These terror cells is reducing America to a fear riden country like the middle east countries.
Problem with that is the killer in Orlando was born in New York.
karen To Afghan Immigrants.
Are we going to do this by religon or region?
karen Region no different than what Obama did when he suspended Immigrants from Irag in 2011 for six months.
Okay. Now how many generations do we deport in order to stop what happened in Orlando??
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Until and unless our enemies are obliterated we will always have terrorist acts in the U.S. That's just a sobering fact. Banning people of certain religions won't work. Unless something has changed, there's nothing on US passports that indicate a person's religion. Even if we could, it won't be done. For one thing, terrorists are good liars. They'll just claim to be some other religion.....maybe even Christian. The best and most realistic thing that we can do is to suspend to ban immigration from certain countries known to be sources of terrorists. We can start with Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Libya, and Iran, and add to the list. I think Gitmo needs to be kept open so we can imprison terrorists until their asses rot off. Saying it is a "recruiting tool" for terrorists is an outright lie. Eliminating Gitmo will do nothing to curb terrorists. Even if we suspend immigration from certain countries that won't eliminate the problem.
They already are spread throughout the world....France, Germany, Spain, Belgium, Great Britain, etc... Then there's the problem of radicalization of our own US born citizens, such as the Orlando ISIS recruit. Gun control will have no effect on terrorist plots and activities, except to probably increase their success rate.
I think one of the biggest keys to minimizing terrorist attacks here at home lies in good intelligence and repeatedly cutting off the heads of the beasts, and cutting off sources of funding.....as Trump suggests.
In addition, we need to force Middle East countries to fund our efforts and fund the creation of safe zones in the Middle East......as Trump suggests. They will quickly figure out a way of infiltrating organizations like ISIS and obliterating them, as soon as they realize this hurts their bottom line and we will no longer do their dirty work for them without compensation.
Obama has been feckless and limp wristed in his efforts. Hillary will be at least as bad. Trump is someone they'll respect and take seriously.......because, after all, he's just a wee bit crazy and unpredictable. |
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| Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-16 3:39 PM jbhoot - 2016-06-16 8:24 AM Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-16 8:14 AM foundation horse - 2016-06-16 3:47 AM Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-15 10:46 PM skye - 2016-06-15 8:40 PM Trump says we must tighten our borders to stop snakes like the killer at Orlando. Americans must not live in fear. These terror cells is reducing America to a fear riden country like the middle east countries.
Problem with that is the killer in Orlando was born in New York.
karen To Afghan Immigrants.
Are we going to do this by religon or region?
karen Region no different than what Obama did when he suspended Immigrants from Irag in 2011 for six months.
karen
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Obama is on TV spewing his BS...Oh Lord please give me the strength until we never have to listen to him again...
All the liberals want to do is make laws and they don't want to enforce the ones that are on the books so it's only the law abiding citizens that are hurt...
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Location: fun meter pegged OK | Nevertooold - 2016-06-16 3:45 PM Obama is on TV spewing his BS...Oh Lord please give me the strength until we never have to listen to him again...
All the liberals want to do is make laws and they don't want to enforce the ones that are on the books so it's only the law abiding citizens that are hurt...
I still want to explode! He did not make it about the Deceased, Survivors, Responders, those who went back into help rescue and how the American People grieved/mourned with the families - he made it about gun control and hate crimes. It was disgraceful and disgusting! 7 more months. 7 more months. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | yankeeredneck - 2016-06-16 4:21 PM Nevertooold - 2016-06-16 3:45 PM Obama is on TV spewing his BS...Oh Lord please give me the strength until we never have to listen to him again...
All the liberals want to do is make laws and they don't want to enforce the ones that are on the books so it's only the law abiding citizens that are hurt...
I still want to explode! He did not make it about the Deceased, Survivors, Responders, those who went back into help rescue and how the American People grieved/mourned with the families - he made it about gun control and hate crimes. It was disgraceful and disgusting! 7 more months. 7 more months.
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| rodeomom3 - 2016-06-16 3:42 PM
Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-16 3:39 PM jbhoot - 2016-06-16 8:24 AM Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-16 8:14 AM foundation horse - 2016-06-16 3:47 AM Stitch4k9 - 2016-06-15 10:46 PM skye - 2016-06-15 8:40 PM Trump says we must tighten our borders to stop snakes like the killer at Orlando. Americans must not live in fear. These terror cells is reducing America to a fear riden country like the middle east countries.
Problem with that is the killer in Orlando was born in New York.
karen To Afghan Immigrants.
Are we going to do this by religon or region?
karen Region no different than what Obama did when he suspended Immigrants from Irag in 2011 for six months.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Here's what the Obamunists do. Before rigor mortis sets in on the Orlando victims, they start harping on gun control, which everyone predicted. They only care about the victims in as much as it provides them with yet another crisis they can use to advance their agenda.
They take Trump's plan to build a wall and point out how the wall wouldn't have prevented the massacre, even though nobody made that claim. They keep pushing the notion that Trump is a "racist" and "anti immigration". He wants to keep people from illegally entering this country across the Mexican border, so that makes him "anti immigration". It's not even subtle how they lie and distort. They do it because it works. It works because their base has a betz cell deficiency and they are gullible lemmings. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | So the head of the CIA says ISIS is on the move and then Obama says they aren't. You just can't make this stuff up. Obama sure loves to lie or he is living in Fantasy Land. Glad he keeps up on what's really going on..
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | He was a registered Democrat. It was barely mentioned by the media. What do you suppose they'd say if he was a Republican? |
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| Bear - 2016-06-16 6:01 PM He was a registered Democrat. It was barely mentioned by the media. What do you suppose they'd say if he was a Republican?
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Location: The Great Northwest | yankeeredneck - 2016-06-16 2:21 PM Nevertooold - 2016-06-16 3:45 PM Obama is on TV spewing his BS...Oh Lord please give me the strength until we never have to listen to him again...
All the liberals want to do is make laws and they don't want to enforce the ones that are on the books so it's only the law abiding citizens that are hurt...
I still want to explode! He did not make it about the Deceased, Survivors, Responders, those who went back into help rescue and how the American People grieved/mourned with the families - he made it about gun control and hate crimes. It was disgraceful and disgusting! 7 more months. 7 more months.
and Obama was more angry at Trump than when he spoke of the Orlando killer! |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | skye - 2016-06-16 9:56 PM yankeeredneck - 2016-06-16 2:21 PM Nevertooold - 2016-06-16 3:45 PM Obama is on TV spewing his BS...Oh Lord please give me the strength until we never have to listen to him again...
All the liberals want to do is make laws and they don't want to enforce the ones that are on the books so it's only the law abiding citizens that are hurt...
I still want to explode! He did not make it about the Deceased, Survivors, Responders, those who went back into help rescue and how the American People grieved/mourned with the families - he made it about gun control and hate crimes. It was disgraceful and disgusting! 7 more months. 7 more months.
Just saw on the news that Obamo and Biden were placing flowers on the Memorial for the victims, {they Biden and O} make me sick to even look at them. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Interesting how the Muslim Imam's must be worried and are speaking up even though they are all claiming it has nothing to do with their religion...I believe what they say as much as I believe the Lyin King. |
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Location: Arkansas | Frodo - 2016-06-15 3:49 PM
RnRJack - 2016-06-15 12:54 PM I would imagine this incident would inflict a change of mind for some Hillary voters, to possibly vote for trump. Unfortunately Florida is a huge democratic and liberal state and I believe Hillary will win Florida, as well as Cali and some of the other big states due to us having a large number of immigrants. One can only hope not
I think the Hispanic vote is going to totally throw this election out of whack. It's all about entitlements. Wouldn't surprise me if sometime before the November election Obama finds a way to allow illegals to vote.
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Chandler's Mom - 2016-06-16 10:47 PM Frodo - 2016-06-15 3:49 PM RnRJack - 2016-06-15 12:54 PM I would imagine this incident would inflict a change of mind for some Hillary voters, to possibly vote for trump. Unfortunately Florida is a huge democratic and liberal state and I believe Hillary will win Florida, as well as Cali and some of the other big states due to us having a large number of immigrants. One can only hope not I think the Hispanic vote is going to totally throw this election out of whack. It's all about entitlements. Wouldn't surprise me if sometime before the November election Obama finds a way to allow illegals to vote.
Find a way?? Lord help us he'll just MAKE a way. . . .
Well, in Cali they are already trying to make every person that has a drivers license automatically registered to vote and since they do issue drivers licenses to illegals I guess it is already happening.
?BTW, I have heard several black Hillary supporters say that Trump was going to ship them all back to Africa if he gets elected. Where did that crap start? I almost laughed the first time I heard someone say that, how stupid can you be? |
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Location: Arkansas | Barnmom - 2016-06-16 11:06 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2016-06-16 10:47 PM Frodo - 2016-06-15 3:49 PM RnRJack - 2016-06-15 12:54 PM I would imagine this incident would inflict a change of mind for some Hillary voters, to possibly vote for trump. Unfortunately Florida is a huge democratic and liberal state and I believe Hillary will win Florida, as well as Cali and some of the other big states due to us having a large number of immigrants. One can only hope not I think the Hispanic vote is going to totally throw this election out of whack. It's all about entitlements. Wouldn't surprise me if sometime before the November election Obama finds a way to allow illegals to vote.
Find a way?? Lord help us he'll just MAKE a way. . . .
?BTW, I have heard several black Hillary supporters say that Trump was going to ship them all back to Africa if he gets elected. Where did that crap start? I almost laughed the first time I heard someone say that, how stupid can you be?
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Location: North Texas | Chandler's Mom - 2016-06-17 1:25 AM
Barnmom - 2016-06-16 11:06 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2016-06-16 10:47 PM Frodo - 2016-06-15 3:49 PM RnRJack - 2016-06-15 12:54 PM I would imagine this incident would inflict a change of mind for some Hillary voters, to possibly vote for trump. Unfortunately Florida is a huge democratic and liberal state and I believe Hillary will win Florida, as well as Cali and some of the other big states due to us having a large number of immigrants. One can only hope not I think the Hispanic vote is going to totally throw this election out of whack. It's all about entitlements. Wouldn't surprise me if sometime before the November election Obama finds a way to allow illegals to vote.
Find a way?? Lord help us he'll just MAKE a way. . . .
?BTW, I have heard several black Hillary supporters say that Trump was going to ship them all back to Africa if he gets elected. Where did that crap start? I almost laughed the first time I heard someone say that, how stupid can you be?
It is so sad that our country is so dumbed down. . . . What happened to us???
The Public School System which dates to Horace Mann a self admitted from Massachusetts in the 1800s. Then in the latter half of the 1970s in Jimmy Carters' Administration the creation of The Department of Education.....................
ETA: This can also be traced back to Academia whose modern day roots lie in The Draft Dodgers of Viet Nam who went to College and stayed there to avoid the draft and then on account of laziness continued in Education due to the lack of physical work required. WALA! The current day Academic Professor(s) who are Socialist/Communist in their thinking!
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Location: Arkansas | foundation horse - 2016-06-17 4:03 AM
Chandler's Mom - 2016-06-17 1:25 AM
Barnmom - 2016-06-16 11:06 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2016-06-16 10:47 PM Frodo - 2016-06-15 3:49 PM RnRJack - 2016-06-15 12:54 PM I would imagine this incident would inflict a change of mind for some Hillary voters, to possibly vote for trump. Unfortunately Florida is a huge democratic and liberal state and I believe Hillary will win Florida, as well as Cali and some of the other big states due to us having a large number of immigrants. One can only hope not I think the Hispanic vote is going to totally throw this election out of whack. It's all about entitlements. Wouldn't surprise me if sometime before the November election Obama finds a way to allow illegals to vote.
Find a way?? Lord help us he'll just MAKE a way. . . .
?BTW, I have heard several black Hillary supporters say that Trump was going to ship them all back to Africa if he gets elected. Where did that crap start? I almost laughed the first time I heard someone say that, how stupid can you be?
It is so sad that our country is so dumbed down. . . . What happened to us???
The Public School System which dates to Horace Mann a self admitted from Massachusetts in the 1800s. Then in the latter half of the 1970s in Jimmy Carters' Administration the creation of The Department of Education.....................
ETA: This can also be traced back to Academia whose modern day roots lie in The Draft Dodgers of Viet Nam who went to College and stayed there to avoid the draft and then on account of laziness continued in Education due to the lack of physical work required. WALA! The current day Academic Professor (s ) who are Socialist/Communist in their thinking!
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | foundation horse - 2016-06-17 4:03 AM Chandler's Mom - 2016-06-17 1:25 AM Barnmom - 2016-06-16 11:06 PM Chandler's Mom - 2016-06-16 10:47 PM Frodo - 2016-06-15 3:49 PM RnRJack - 2016-06-15 12:54 PM I would imagine this incident would inflict a change of mind for some Hillary voters, to possibly vote for trump. Unfortunately Florida is a huge democratic and liberal state and I believe Hillary will win Florida, as well as Cali and some of the other big states due to us having a large number of immigrants. One can only hope not I think the Hispanic vote is going to totally throw this election out of whack. It's all about entitlements. Wouldn't surprise me if sometime before the November election Obama finds a way to allow illegals to vote.
Find a way?? Lord help us he'll just MAKE a way. . . .
?BTW, I have heard several black Hillary supporters say that Trump was going to ship them all back to Africa if he gets elected. Where did that crap start? I almost laughed the first time I heard someone say that, how stupid can you be? It is so sad that our country is so dumbed down. . . . What happened to us??? The Public School System which dates to Horace Mann a self admitted from Massachusetts in the 1800s. Then in the latter half of the 1970s in Jimmy Carters' Administration the creation of The Department of Education..................... ETA: This can also be traced back to Academia whose modern day roots lie in The Draft Dodgers of Viet Nam who went to College and stayed there to avoid the draft and then on account of laziness continued in Education due to the lack of physical work required. WALA! The current day Academic Professor (s ) who are Socialist/Communist in their thinking!
IMO, The “dumbing down” of society is directly linked to the inaction and lack of personal responsibility of PARENTS who have raised a spoiled and “entitled” generation……to blame the teachers (Academia) is not entirely correct. I will agree that the Dept. of Education HAS tied the hands of any good teachers that we have in the public schools. |
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Location: North Texas | NJJ - 2016-06-17 8:31 AM
foundation horse - 2016-06-17 4:03 AM Chandler's Mom - 2016-06-17 1:25 AM Barnmom - 2016-06-16 11:06 PM Chandler's Mom - 2016-06-16 10:47 PM Frodo - 2016-06-15 3:49 PM RnRJack - 2016-06-15 12:54 PM I would imagine this incident would inflict a change of mind for some Hillary voters, to possibly vote for trump. Unfortunately Florida is a huge democratic and liberal state and I believe Hillary will win Florida, as well as Cali and some of the other big states due to us having a large number of immigrants. One can only hope not I think the Hispanic vote is going to totally throw this election out of whack. It's all about entitlements. Wouldn't surprise me if sometime before the November election Obama finds a way to allow illegals to vote.
Find a way?? Lord help us he'll just MAKE a way. . . .
?BTW, I have heard several black Hillary supporters say that Trump was going to ship them all back to Africa if he gets elected. Where did that crap start? I almost laughed the first time I heard someone say that, how stupid can you be? It is so sad that our country is so dumbed down. . . . What happened to us??? The Public School System which dates to Horace Mann a self admitted from Massachusetts in the 1800s. Then in the latter half of the 1970s in Jimmy Carters' Administration the creation of The Department of Education..................... ETA: This can also be traced back to Academia whose modern day roots lie in The Draft Dodgers of Viet Nam who went to College and stayed there to avoid the draft and then on account of laziness continued in Education due to the lack of physical work required. WALA! The current day Academic Professor (s ) who are Socialist/Communist in their thinking!
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | foundation horse - 2016-06-17 4:03 AM Chandler's Mom - 2016-06-17 1:25 AM Barnmom - 2016-06-16 11:06 PM Chandler's Mom - 2016-06-16 10:47 PM Frodo - 2016-06-15 3:49 PM RnRJack - 2016-06-15 12:54 PM I would imagine this incident would inflict a change of mind for some Hillary voters, to possibly vote for trump. Unfortunately Florida is a huge democratic and liberal state and I believe Hillary will win Florida, as well as Cali and some of the other big states due to us having a large number of immigrants. One can only hope not I think the Hispanic vote is going to totally throw this election out of whack. It's all about entitlements. Wouldn't surprise me if sometime before the November election Obama finds a way to allow illegals to vote.
Find a way?? Lord help us he'll just MAKE a way. . . .
?BTW, I have heard several black Hillary supporters say that Trump was going to ship them all back to Africa if he gets elected. Where did that crap start? I almost laughed the first time I heard someone say that, how stupid can you be? It is so sad that our country is so dumbed down. . . . What happened to us??? The Public School System which dates to Horace Mann a self admitted from Massachusetts in the 1800s. Then in the latter half of the 1970s in Jimmy Carters' Administration the creation of The Department of Education..................... ETA: This can also be traced back to Academia whose modern day roots lie in The Draft Dodgers of Viet Nam who went to College and stayed there to avoid the draft and then on account of laziness continued in Education due to the lack of physical work required. WALA! The current day Academic Professor (s ) who are Socialist/Communist in their thinking!
ETA: things have definitely gotten worse since I was in school. My kids are in private school.
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Location: North Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2016-06-17 9:09 AM
foundation horse - 2016-06-17 4:03 AM Chandler's Mom - 2016-06-17 1:25 AM Barnmom - 2016-06-16 11:06 PM Chandler's Mom - 2016-06-16 10:47 PM Frodo - 2016-06-15 3:49 PM RnRJack - 2016-06-15 12:54 PM I would imagine this incident would inflict a change of mind for some Hillary voters, to possibly vote for trump. Unfortunately Florida is a huge democratic and liberal state and I believe Hillary will win Florida, as well as Cali and some of the other big states due to us having a large number of immigrants. One can only hope not I think the Hispanic vote is going to totally throw this election out of whack. It's all about entitlements. Wouldn't surprise me if sometime before the November election Obama finds a way to allow illegals to vote.
Find a way?? Lord help us he'll just MAKE a way. . . .
?BTW, I have heard several black Hillary supporters say that Trump was going to ship them all back to Africa if he gets elected. Where did that crap start? I almost laughed the first time I heard someone say that, how stupid can you be? It is so sad that our country is so dumbed down. . . . What happened to us??? The Public School System which dates to Horace Mann a self admitted from Massachusetts in the 1800s. Then in the latter half of the 1970s in Jimmy Carters' Administration the creation of The Department of Education..................... ETA: This can also be traced back to Academia whose modern day roots lie in The Draft Dodgers of Viet Nam who went to College and stayed there to avoid the draft and then on account of laziness continued in Education due to the lack of physical work required. WALA! The current day Academic Professor (s ) who are Socialist/Communist in their thinking!
ETA: things have definitely gotten worse since I was in school. My kids are in private school.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | It's pretty sad that college kids don't have a clue about our history and when asked a question and you listen to their answer, you don't know whether to laugh or cry. |
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Location: North Texas | Nevertooold - 2016-06-17 11:26 AM
It's pretty sad that college kids don't have a clue about our history and when asked a question and you listen to their answer, you don't know whether to laugh or cry.
I generally cry in apathy because of them. My Boys know better because I have them in an educational environment that actually teaches. Plus, I have drilled them on the Constitution for years.  |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Nevertooold - 2016-06-17 12:26 PM It's pretty sad that college kids don't have a clue about our history and when asked a question and you listen to their answer, you don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Like Waters world answers? Those people are just plain stupid. Which means, again, we are in trouble. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | 3canstorun - 2016-06-17 12:01 PM Nevertooold - 2016-06-17 12:26 PM It's pretty sad that college kids don't have a clue about our history and when asked a question and you listen to their answer, you don't know whether to laugh or cry. Like Waters world answers? Those people are just plain stupid. Which means, again, we are in trouble.
Watter's World and there have been 2 others going out and asking questions about our history and politics. It seems the dumbest ones are on the liberal college campuses. |
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| Teaching=thankless job. That's about all I have to say about that...love how we always end up taking the blame for everyones mistakes on all sides. The parents, the students, the government, general population. Although I do greatly appreciate the posts that say the fault does not lay with us. Thank you for the support! We try to rise above what we are given and make the world a better place! |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | magic gunsmoke - 2016-06-17 8:42 PM Teaching=thankless job. That's about all I have to say about that...love how we always end up taking the blame for everyones mistakes on all sides. The parents, the students, the government, general population. Although I do greatly appreciate the posts that say the fault does not lay with us. Thank you for the support! We try to rise above what we are given and make the world a better place!
I feel the majority of teachers are good teachers, it's the politics and stupid policies that have messed things up. When I say we had some sucky teachers, I'm talking my reading teacher in grades 4-6 who mispronounced words BADLY all the time, the English/spelling teacher who made me do badly on a test because I couldn't understand her accent when she called out our spelling words (coach and road should not sound like coe-uch and roe-ud), the high school biology teacher who wouldn't teach us evolution, the civics teacher who told us republicans were evil rich people and only democrats cared about regular people, and the chemistry teacher who spent more time on sex ed than chem. That's what I'm talking about. |
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Location: North Texas | magic gunsmoke - 2016-06-17 8:42 PM
Teaching=thankless job. That's about all I have to say about that...love how we always end up taking the blame for everyones mistakes on all sides. The parents, the students, the government, general population. Although I do greatly appreciate the posts that say the fault does not lay with us. Thank you for the support! We try to rise above what we are given and make the world a better place!
Are you disputing my historical evaluation involving Horace Mann the self admitted socialist?
Teaching in and of itself is a noble profession i.e. calling. And not a lot of people are proficient in teaching others............Now with that said, I agree with TFL in the politics of teaching. The history of Horace Mann illustrates the political side of teaching.
Also, Teacher's Unions have done nothing whatsoever to help educate students! However, the unions have darn sure lined their leader's pockets and kept subpar teachers employed!
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| foundation horse - 2016-06-17 12:33 PM Nevertooold - 2016-06-17 11:26 AM It's pretty sad that college kids don't have a clue about our history and when asked a question and you listen to their answer, you don't know whether to laugh or cry. I generally cry in apathy because of them. My Boys know better because I have them in an educational environment that actually teaches. Plus, I have drilled them on the Constitution for years.
This is the statement that irks me slightly, simply because I care about what I do and put my heart and soul into my job. You bet my kids learn. There are so many moments that I wish I could truly put into words how wonderful they are to be a part of....such as helping students work thru a disagreement civilly, keeping everyone calm when a kid pukes all over the place, watching a student who struggles with socializing get up and present a project without any fear.
Now I don't have my panties in a huge wad over the statement, trust me I hear stuff like this every day for the past 7 years. I guess I just wish politics aside people opened their eyes to the good things education does. Republican, Democrat, whoever the president is.....doesn't keep me or stop me from doing my job the best that I can and I tell you there are others out there that do the same.
ETA: It just seems like society as a whole focuses on all the negative aspects of teaching. We hear more bad than good on all sides. :-/ Such is the job we signed up for.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | magic gunsmoke - 2016-06-17 10:14 PM foundation horse - 2016-06-17 12:33 PM Nevertooold - 2016-06-17 11:26 AM It's pretty sad that college kids don't have a clue about our history and when asked a question and you listen to their answer, you don't know whether to laugh or cry. I generally cry in apathy because of them. My Boys know better because I have them in an educational environment that actually teaches. Plus, I have drilled them on the Constitution for years.
This is the statement that irks me slightly, simply because I care about what I do and put my heart and soul into my job. You bet my kids learn. There are so many moments that I wish I could truly put into words how wonderful they are to be a part of....such as helping students work thru a disagreement civilly, keeping everyone calm when a kid pukes all over the place, watching a student who struggles with socializing get up and present a project without any fear.
Now I don't have my panties in a huge wad over the statement, trust me I hear stuff like this every day for the past 7 years. I guess I just wish politics aside people opened their eyes to the good things education does. Republican, Democrat, whoever the president is.....doesn't keep me or stop me from doing my job the best that I can and I tell you there are others out there that do the same.
ETA: It just seels like society as a whole focuses on all the negative aspects of teaching. We hear more bad than good on all sides. :-/ Such is the job we signed up for.
I understand. Farming is the same way anymore. Everyone knows how to do your job better than you do, and they love to gripe about everything they think you're doing wrong, insulting your intelligence, character, motivations, and your grandma along the way.
I was very thankful to my son's teacher for not murdering the little **** these last 3 years. I didn't always agree with her, but I darn sure supported her and made sure she knew it. He is NOT an easy student but it's because he's a highly intelligent smartass with an overdeveloped sense of mischief. Don't know where he gets that. |
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Location: La Vernia, TX | RidenFly - 2016-06-14 6:22 PM
As an individual, you all know that I've debated and been against the wall in my opinion for years, here, there, everywhere. However, I'm finding that debating the other party is increasingly becoming more about anger and hate then debating issues or facts at least how we may interpet them. I didn't think we'd ever as a nation become more divided then we seem to be at the moment. So many people are going to snap over this that for the first time, I feel actual fear for voicing an opinion on social media. This isn't what America is about and when I look for a leader to speak for me, It blows my mind that Trump is honestly the one doing it. A part of me wants to hide under a rock. Is it so important to be right in absolutes or is it better to work together putting differences aside for a common goal. Sure, I waiver on my beliefs about homosexuality but I want us all to be safe, free and happy. This sucks.
I am fortunate to have a little piece of land where owls and Hawks nest, and critters like racoons, opossum and people's stupid cats play. I built a predator-proof chicken coop. My chooks are safe, they seem happy, but they are not free. You can't be completely safe and completely free. Our greatest challenge is the loss of community, a problem that will only get worse as human population density increases. Americans have enjoyed a relatively "safe" existence for a couple generations, which seems to have been all it took to make people believe that is actually normal. It's not. The world is a dangerous place, and humans are a violent species. |
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Location: Arkansas | Three 4 Luck - 2016-06-17 11:00 PM
magic gunsmoke - 2016-06-17 10:14 PM foundation horse - 2016-06-17 12:33 PM Nevertooold - 2016-06-17 11:26 AM It's pretty sad that college kids don't have a clue about our history and when asked a question and you listen to their answer, you don't know whether to laugh or cry. I generally cry in apathy because of them. My Boys know better because I have them in an educational environment that actually teaches. Plus, I have drilled them on the Constitution for years.
This is the statement that irks me slightly, simply because I care about what I do and put my heart and soul into my job. You bet my kids learn. There are so many moments that I wish I could truly put into words how wonderful they are to be a part of....such as helping students work thru a disagreement civilly, keeping everyone calm when a kid pukes all over the place, watching a student who struggles with socializing get up and present a project without any fear.
Now I don't have my panties in a huge wad over the statement, trust me I hear stuff like this every day for the past 7 years. I guess I just wish politics aside people opened their eyes to the good things education does. Republican, Democrat, whoever the president is.....doesn't keep me or stop me from doing my job the best that I can and I tell you there are others out there that do the same.
ETA: It just seels like society as a whole focuses on all the negative aspects of teaching. We hear more bad than good on all sides. :-/ Such is the job we signed up for.
I was very thankful to my son's teacher for not murdering the little **** these last 3 years. I didn't always agree with her, but I darn sure supported her and made sure she knew it. He is NOT an easy student but it's because he's a highly intelligent smartass with an overdeveloped sense of mischief. Don't know where he gets that.
Does he also carry a healthy amount of self confidence??? I had one just like him at CCA until May 14!!!
I know exactly what you mean about farming---I get so tired of people talking about the perks and all the money farmers make and how the government has made us rich. . . . It makes me want to explode because they simply have no idea what they're talking about. I think it would be fitting for them to get to live a farming life for at least a year or two and get to fight weather and predators and policies and prices and. . . . (Of course these are some of the same people that get their food "from grocery stores" so they don't really need farmers.)
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Location: Florida | foundation horse - 2016-06-17 10:28 PM magic gunsmoke - 2016-06-17 8:42 PM Teaching=thankless job. That's about all I have to say about that...love how we always end up taking the blame for everyones mistakes on all sides. The parents, the students, the government, general population. Although I do greatly appreciate the posts that say the fault does not lay with us. Thank you for the support! We try to rise above what we are given and make the world a better place! Are you disputing my historical evaluation involving Horace Mann the self admitted socialist? Teaching in and of itself is a noble profession i.e. calling. And not a lot of people are proficient in teaching others............Now with that said, I agree with TFL in the politics of teaching. The history of Horace Mann illustrates the political side of teaching. Also, Teacher's Unions have done nothing whatsoever to help educate students! However, the unions have darn sure lined their leader's pockets and kept subpar teachers employed!
What personal experance do you have with a teachers' union to justify your statement? You know nothing about what you are talking about. I have worked for a teacher union for 37 years and you are totally uninformed. We do everything to improve teaching and learning. We offer inservices, we protect planning time and academic freedom, everything we do is to help teachers teach. We are trying to keep the pressures of anti-public schools away from our members so they can do their jobs. The officers earn exactly what they will earn when they return to the classroom, but pro-rated to 12 months instead of 10. They get mileage because the put 100,000 miles a year on their cars rushing up and down our 76 mile long district to help with crisis.
I am very tired of anti-public education people trying to destroy the very foundation of our democracy = a free, quality public school system. An educated populance is the best defense of democracy.
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Location: Florida | foundation horse - 2016-06-17 10:28 PM magic gunsmoke - 2016-06-17 8:42 PM Teaching=thankless job. That's about all I have to say about that...love how we always end up taking the blame for everyones mistakes on all sides. The parents, the students, the government, general population. Although I do greatly appreciate the posts that say the fault does not lay with us. Thank you for the support! We try to rise above what we are given and make the world a better place! Are you disputing my historical evaluation involving Horace Mann the self admitted socialist? Teaching in and of itself is a noble profession i.e. calling. And not a lot of people are proficient in teaching others............Now with that said, I agree with TFL in the politics of teaching. The history of Horace Mann illustrates the political side of teaching. Also, Teacher's Unions have done nothing whatsoever to help educate students! However, the unions have darn sure lined their leader's pockets and kept subpar teachers employed!
What personal experience do you have with a teachers' union to justify your statement? You know nothing about what you are talking about. I have worked for a teacher union for 37 years and you are totally uninformed. We do everything to improve teaching and learning. We offer inservices, we protect planning time and academic freedom, everything we do is to help teachers teach. We are trying to keep the pressures of anti-public schools away from our members so they can do their jobs. The officers earn exactly what they will earn when they return to the classroom, but pro-rated to 12 months instead of 10. They get mileage because the put 100,000 miles a year on their cars rushing up and down our 76 mile long district to help with crisis.
I am very tired of anti-public education people trying to destroy the very foundation of our democracy = a free, quality public school system. An educated populance is the best defense of democracy.
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Location: So. California | They are burying the victims, vigils are being held, there is a large community in mourning and somehow this thread is arguing over the public school system?
Maybe we should all take a step back and remember why this thread was started in the first place, and focus on the real victims instead. Remember the innocent victims, their families, friends and communities. Those that are still hospitialized, the first responders that can't sleep at night, the doctor that refuses to change his blood soaked shoes until the last of the injured leaves the hospital, the investigators that have to review the security tapes and watch the horrible events unfold over and over...
If anyone thinks that the only ones that were affected by this horrible tragedy were those inside the nightclub, you are sadly mistaken.... 100's if not 1,000's of lives have been forever impacted. Sights, smells, noises that will forever replay in their sleepless nights.... Let's just take a moment and say a solemn prayer for all those that have been touched by this tragedy. May God bless and watch over them all. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Anniemae - 2016-06-18 4:03 PM They are burying the victims, vigils are being held, there is a large community in mourning and somehow this thread is arguing over the public school system?
Maybe we should all take a step back and remember why this thread was started in the first place, and focus on the real victims instead. Remember the innocent victims, their families, friends and communities. Those that are still hospitialized, the first responders that can't sleep at night, the doctor that refuses to change his blood soaked shoes until the last of the injured leaves the hospital, the investigators that have to review the security tapes and watch the horrible events unfold over and over...
If anyone thinks that the only ones that were affected by this horrible tragedy were those inside the nightclub, you are sadly mistaken.... 100's if not 1,000's of lives have been forever impacted. Sights, smells, noises that will forever replay in their sleepless nights.... Let's just take a moment and say a solemn prayer for all those that have been touched by this tragedy. May God bless and watch over them all.
Thank you for being a voice of reason. I have been watching this thread its inception and I am totally and completely disgusted by its focus. Everyone is quick to point fingers and place blame (much of it in ridiculous places) but I have seen very little in the way of viable, positive ideas for solutions. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I wonder how the ones that were wounded are doing? Has anyone heard? |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | SC Wrangler - 2016-06-18 4:36 PM
Anniemae - 2016-06-18 4:03 PM They are burying the victims, vigils are being held, there is a large community in mourning and somehow this thread is arguing over the public school system?
Maybe we should all take a step back and remember why this thread was started in the first place, and focus on the real victims instead. Remember the innocent victims, their families, friends and communities. Those that are still hospitialized, the first responders that can't sleep at night, the doctor that refuses to change his blood soaked shoes until the last of the injured leaves the hospital, the investigators that have to review the security tapes and watch the horrible events unfold over and over...
If anyone thinks that the only ones that were affected by this horrible tragedy were those inside the nightclub, you are sadly mistaken.... 100's if not 1,000's of lives have been forever impacted. Sights, smells, noises that will forever replay in their sleepless nights.... Let's just take a moment and say a solemn prayer for all those that have been touched by this tragedy. May God bless and watch over them all.
The only solution I can come up with is do everything you can to defend yourself. Sorry for the tangent. |
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Location: North Texas | Vickie - 2016-06-18 3:40 PM
foundation horse - 2016-06-17 10:28 PM magic gunsmoke - 2016-06-17 8:42 PM Teaching=thankless job. That's about all I have to say about that...love how we always end up taking the blame for everyones mistakes on all sides. The parents, the students, the government, general population. Although I do greatly appreciate the posts that say the fault does not lay with us. Thank you for the support! We try to rise above what we are given and make the world a better place! Are you disputing my historical evaluation involving Horace Mann the self admitted socialist? Teaching in and of itself is a noble profession i.e. calling. And not a lot of people are proficient in teaching others............Now with that said, I agree with TFL in the politics of teaching. The history of Horace Mann illustrates the political side of teaching. Also, Teacher's Unions have done nothing whatsoever to help educate students! However, the unions have darn sure lined their leader's pockets and kept subpar teachers employed!
I am very tired of anti-public education people trying to destroy the very foundation of our democracy = a free, quality public school system. An educated populance is the best defense of democracy.
Examples: Dallas County Texas Schools along with Dallas City Schools. Now add in Chicago Illinois' Public Schools as fine examples.
Of a Union Employee & Supporter would disagree with my statement/opinion. Buat I happen to have two Boys in The School System currently and am responsible for their quality of education not the system or the Union. I AM! Also, since I am a taxpayer, Public School Teachers work for me in effect. Not the Union!
Also, You are strong on the Union, but yet You do not dispute Horace Mann or His Socialist Reason for creating/endorsing Public School Systems................................................. |
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Location: North Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2016-06-18 6:02 PM
SC Wrangler - 2016-06-18 4:36 PM
Anniemae - 2016-06-18 4:03 PM They are burying the victims, vigils are being held, there is a large community in mourning and somehow this thread is arguing over the public school system?
Maybe we should all take a step back and remember why this thread was started in the first place, and focus on the real victims instead. Remember the innocent victims, their families, friends and communities. Those that are still hospitialized, the first responders that can't sleep at night, the doctor that refuses to change his blood soaked shoes until the last of the injured leaves the hospital, the investigators that have to review the security tapes and watch the horrible events unfold over and over...
If anyone thinks that the only ones that were affected by this horrible tragedy were those inside the nightclub, you are sadly mistaken.... 100's if not 1,000's of lives have been forever impacted. Sights, smells, noises that will forever replay in their sleepless nights.... Let's just take a moment and say a solemn prayer for all those that have been touched by this tragedy. May God bless and watch over them all.
The only solution I can come up with is do everything you can to defend yourself. Sorry for the tangent.
Quite obvious the government is not going to defend American Citizens on U.S. Soil. So, One must be willing to defend One's Self........................................... |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | There are many great teachers out there but way too many are getting their hands tied and are being told what to teach..
Our grandson is going to a common core school. Makes me want to puke. He has a good teacher but what she is teaching is pure BS.
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| Vickie - 2016-06-18 3:41 PM foundation horse - 2016-06-17 10:28 PM magic gunsmoke - 2016-06-17 8:42 PM Teaching=thankless job. That's about all I have to say about that...love how we always end up taking the blame for everyones mistakes on all sides. The parents, the students, the government, general population. Although I do greatly appreciate the posts that say the fault does not lay with us. Thank you for the support! We try to rise above what we are given and make the world a better place! Are you disputing my historical evaluation involving Horace Mann the self admitted socialist? Teaching in and of itself is a noble profession i.e. calling. And not a lot of people are proficient in teaching others............Now with that said, I agree with TFL in the politics of teaching. The history of Horace Mann illustrates the political side of teaching. Also, Teacher's Unions have done nothing whatsoever to help educate students! However, the unions have darn sure lined their leader's pockets and kept subpar teachers employed!
I am very tired of anti-public education people trying to destroy the very foundation of our democracy = a free, quality public school system. An educated populance is the best defense of democracy.
We don't live in a democracy and education is not a legitimate function of the federal government.
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Location: Florida | TXBO - 2016-06-19 10:29 AM Vickie - 2016-06-18 3:41 PM foundation horse - 2016-06-17 10:28 PM magic gunsmoke - 2016-06-17 8:42 PM Teaching=thankless job. That's about all I have to say about that...love how we always end up taking the blame for everyones mistakes on all sides. The parents, the students, the government, general population. Although I do greatly appreciate the posts that say the fault does not lay with us. Thank you for the support! We try to rise above what we are given and make the world a better place! Are you disputing my historical evaluation involving Horace Mann the self admitted socialist? Teaching in and of itself is a noble profession i.e. calling. And not a lot of people are proficient in teaching others............Now with that said, I agree with TFL in the politics of teaching. The history of Horace Mann illustrates the political side of teaching. Also, Teacher's Unions have done nothing whatsoever to help educate students! However, the unions have darn sure lined their leader's pockets and kept subpar teachers employed!
I am very tired of anti-public education people trying to destroy the very foundation of our democracy = a free, quality public school system. An educated populance is the best defense of democracy.
Congratulations, you just proved the point for all the anti-public school proponents.
Seriously? You don't think education is the most important function of government, WOW, What would you prefer an uneducated populance that is easily manipulated and led. Joseph Stalin would be proud of your attitude. |
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| Vickie - 2016-06-19 10:30 AM TXBO - 2016-06-19 10:29 AM Vickie - 2016-06-18 3:41 PM foundation horse - 2016-06-17 10:28 PM magic gunsmoke - 2016-06-17 8:42 PM Teaching=thankless job. That's about all I have to say about that...love how we always end up taking the blame for everyones mistakes on all sides. The parents, the students, the government, general population. Although I do greatly appreciate the posts that say the fault does not lay with us. Thank you for the support! We try to rise above what we are given and make the world a better place! Are you disputing my historical evaluation involving Horace Mann the self admitted socialist? Teaching in and of itself is a noble profession i.e. calling. And not a lot of people are proficient in teaching others............Now with that said, I agree with TFL in the politics of teaching. The history of Horace Mann illustrates the political side of teaching. Also, Teacher's Unions have done nothing whatsoever to help educate students! However, the unions have darn sure lined their leader's pockets and kept subpar teachers employed!
I am very tired of anti-public education people trying to destroy the very foundation of our democracy = a free, quality public school system. An educated populance is the best defense of democracy.
Congratulations, you just proved the point for all the anti-public school proponents.[/quote. Everyone needs to be educated, the governmrnt needs to get much better at it. My kids went to both public and private, private was much better. Teachers could discipline, they could teach - no scripts to follow, no political correctness, no teaching to mandated testing. Many of the teachers were willing to leave the unions and a little higher pay for the better teaching environment. My grandson is 14 months, I already told my daughter I will pay for private schools. Edited by rodeomom3 2016-06-19 11:11 AM
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This was the latest I could find... From Saturday.....
Of the 19 people who remain hospitalized, four patients are in critical condition and another three are in guarded condition, Morales said.
Four patients were discharged from Orlando Regional Medical Center since Friday afternoon.
Since the massacre, doctors performed 54 operations on victims.
And then you have the two motorcycle policemen that were hit/injured as they accompanied a funeral procession.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Anniemae - 2016-06-19 11:37 AM This was the latest I could find... From Saturday.....
Of the 19 people who remain hospitalized, four patients are in critical condition and another three are in guarded condition, Morales said.
Four patients were discharged from Orlando Regional Medical Center since Friday afternoon.
Since the massacre, doctors performed 54 operations on victims.
And then you have the two motorcycle policemen that were hit/injured as they accompanied a funeral procession.
So the ones that were shot {injured} or doing ok, no one has died while in the hospital?
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| Vickie - 2016-06-19 10:30 AM
TXBO - 2016-06-19 10:29 AM Vickie - 2016-06-18 3:41 PM foundation horse - 2016-06-17 10:28 PM magic gunsmoke - 2016-06-17 8:42 PM Teaching=thankless job. That's about all I have to say about that...love how we always end up taking the blame for everyones mistakes on all sides. The parents, the students, the government, general population. Although I do greatly appreciate the posts that say the fault does not lay with us. Thank you for the support! We try to rise above what we are given and make the world a better place! Are you disputing my historical evaluation involving Horace Mann the self admitted socialist? Teaching in and of itself is a noble profession i.e. calling. And not a lot of people are proficient in teaching others............Now with that said, I agree with TFL in the politics of teaching. The history of Horace Mann illustrates the political side of teaching. Also, Teacher's Unions have done nothing whatsoever to help educate students! However, the unions have darn sure lined their leader's pockets and kept subpar teachers employed!
I am very tired of anti-public education people trying to destroy the very foundation of our democracy = a free, quality public school system. An educated populance is the best defense of democracy.
Congratulations, you just proved the point for all the anti-public school proponents.
Just what part of the Constitution or the bill of rights says it is the most important function of government? |
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Location: The Great Northwest | jbhoot - 2016-06-19 11:12 AM Vickie - 2016-06-19 10:30 AM TXBO - 2016-06-19 10:29 AM Vickie - 2016-06-18 3:41 PM foundation horse - 2016-06-17 10:28 PM magic gunsmoke - 2016-06-17 8:42 PM Teaching=thankless job. That's about all I have to say about that...love how we always end up taking the blame for everyones mistakes on all sides. The parents, the students, the government, general population. Although I do greatly appreciate the posts that say the fault does not lay with us. Thank you for the support! We try to rise above what we are given and make the world a better place! Are you disputing my historical evaluation involving Horace Mann the self admitted socialist? Teaching in and of itself is a noble profession i.e. calling. And not a lot of people are proficient in teaching others............Now with that said, I agree with TFL in the politics of teaching. The history of Horace Mann illustrates the political side of teaching. Also, Teacher's Unions have done nothing whatsoever to help educate students! However, the unions have darn sure lined their leader's pockets and kept subpar teachers employed!
I am very tired of anti-public education people trying to destroy the very foundation of our democracy = a free, quality public school system. An educated populance is the best defense of democracy.
Congratulations, you just proved the point for all the anti-public school proponents. Just what part of the Constitution or the bill of rights says it is the most important function of government?
WOW, What would you prefer an uneducated populance that is easily lead.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I think the point is that education should be state/local, not federal. You know that part of the constitution that says any powers not expressly defined therein are delegated to the states? Well, education is one of those state things. |
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| skye - 2016-06-19 1:49 PM
jbhoot - 2016-06-19 11:12 AM Vickie - 2016-06-19 10:30 AM TXBO - 2016-06-19 10:29 AM Vickie - 2016-06-18 3:41 PM foundation horse - 2016-06-17 10:28 PM magic gunsmoke - 2016-06-17 8:42 PM Teaching=thankless job. That's about all I have to say about that...love how we always end up taking the blame for everyones mistakes on all sides. The parents, the students, the government, general population. Although I do greatly appreciate the posts that say the fault does not lay with us. Thank you for the support! We try to rise above what we are given and make the world a better place! Are you disputing my historical evaluation involving Horace Mann the self admitted socialist? Teaching in and of itself is a noble profession i.e. calling. And not a lot of people are proficient in teaching others............Now with that said, I agree with TFL in the politics of teaching. The history of Horace Mann illustrates the political side of teaching. Also, Teacher's Unions have done nothing whatsoever to help educate students! However, the unions have darn sure lined their leader's pockets and kept subpar teachers employed!
I am very tired of anti-public education people trying to destroy the very foundation of our democracy = a free, quality public school system. An educated populance is the best defense of democracy.
Congratulations, you just proved the point for all the anti-public school proponents. Just what part of the Constitution or the bill of rights says it is the most important function of government?
WOW, What would you prefer an uneducated populance that is easily lead. Most Americans seen easily lead. The polititians like it that way.
Your assumption that I would approve an uneducated populace proves my point. The federal government was never given the right to be in the education business and that is what it is a business. That right was given to the states and there it should remain. And yes the politicians do like the present system it's called central control of your money your lives and what you learn. So far the federal government is doing a fine job of turning out a dumbed down populace just what they want. |
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Location: So. California | Southtxponygirl - 2016-06-19 10:31 AM Anniemae - 2016-06-19 11:37 AM This was the latest I could find... From Saturday.....
Of the 19 people who remain hospitalized, four patients are in critical condition and another three are in guarded condition, Morales said.
Four patients were discharged from Orlando Regional Medical Center since Friday afternoon.
Since the massacre, doctors performed 54 operations on victims.
And then you have the two motorcycle policemen that were hit/injured as they accompanied a funeral procession.
And I didnt know about the police men prayers for them
I don't believe anyone has died since the initial night... I believe there were 9 taken to the hospital that did not make it.
A few in critical care, have life changing injuries. Due to HYPAA regulations, the exact nature of those injuries have not been released to the general public.
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| Vickie - 2016-06-19 10:30 AM TXBO - 2016-06-19 10:29 AM Vickie - 2016-06-18 3:41 PM foundation horse - 2016-06-17 10:28 PM magic gunsmoke - 2016-06-17 8:42 PM Teaching=thankless job. That's about all I have to say about that...love how we always end up taking the blame for everyones mistakes on all sides. The parents, the students, the government, general population. Although I do greatly appreciate the posts that say the fault does not lay with us. Thank you for the support! We try to rise above what we are given and make the world a better place! Are you disputing my historical evaluation involving Horace Mann the self admitted socialist? Teaching in and of itself is a noble profession i.e. calling. And not a lot of people are proficient in teaching others............Now with that said, I agree with TFL in the politics of teaching. The history of Horace Mann illustrates the political side of teaching. Also, Teacher's Unions have done nothing whatsoever to help educate students! However, the unions have darn sure lined their leader's pockets and kept subpar teachers employed!
I am very tired of anti-public education people trying to destroy the very foundation of our democracy = a free, quality public school system. An educated populance is the best defense of democracy.
Congratulations, you just proved the point for all the anti-public school proponents.
For your reading pleasure, Joseph Stalin's most famous quote on education:
'Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed."
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Anniemae - 2016-06-19 4:56 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-06-19 10:31 AM Anniemae - 2016-06-19 11:37 AM This was the latest I could find... From Saturday.....Of the 19 people who remain hospitalized, four patients are in critical condition and another three are in guarded condition, Morales said. Four patients were discharged from Orlando Regional Medical Center since Friday afternoon. Since the massacre, doctors performed 54 operations on victims. And then you have the two motorcycle policemen that were hit/injured as they accompanied a funeral procession.
And I didnt know about the police men prayers for them
A few in critical care, have life changing injuries. Due to HYPAA regulations, the exact nature of those injuries have not been released to the general public.
 , was trying to check up on this and was not getting anywhere, guess I was looking in the wrong places.
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Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | Vickie - 2016-06-19 10:30 AM
TXBO - 2016-06-19 10:29 AM Vickie - 2016-06-18 3:41 PM foundation horse - 2016-06-17 10:28 PM magic gunsmoke - 2016-06-17 8:42 PM Teaching=thankless job. That's about all I have to say about that...love how we always end up taking the blame for everyones mistakes on all sides. The parents, the students, the government, general population. Although I do greatly appreciate the posts that say the fault does not lay with us. Thank you for the support! We try to rise above what we are given and make the world a better place! Are you disputing my historical evaluation involving Horace Mann the self admitted socialist? Teaching in and of itself is a noble profession i.e. calling. And not a lot of people are proficient in teaching others............Now with that said, I agree with TFL in the politics of teaching. The history of Horace Mann illustrates the political side of teaching. Also, Teacher's Unions have done nothing whatsoever to help educate students! However, the unions have darn sure lined their leader's pockets and kept subpar teachers employed!
I am very tired of anti-public education people trying to destroy the very foundation of our democracy = a free, quality public school system. An educated populance is the best defense of democracy.
Congratulations, you just proved the point for all the anti-public school proponents.
In reality, Government"s Original Mandate was and is National Security!
Edited by foundation horse 2016-06-20 8:53 AM
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Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2016-06-19 2:54 PM
I think the point is that education should be state/local, not federal. You know that part of the constitution that says any powers not expressly defined therein are delegated to the states? Well, education is one of those state things.
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 Horsey Gene Carrier
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Location: LaBelle, Florida | Watching the news last night and this morning 2 things:
They tried to issue the REdacted call of the terrorist who murdered the folks at Pulse. They wanted to cut out the part where he claimed his terrorist ties to isis, etc. The Public demanded the call recording in its unaltered form.....good news, it was done.
Now the second thing:
Our Governor filed for a State of Emergency for the Orlando Pulse Terrorist shootings. This would bring 5 million in funding to help pay for all the damage that has been done. It was Denied.
There was no reason listed by the news for the denial.
The only thing I can think of is that 'his highness' doesn't beleive this guy was a terrorist. (my opinion only)
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Industrial Srength Barrel Racer
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| kasaj2000 - 2016-06-21 5:05 AM
Watching the news last night and this morning 2 things:
They tried to issue the REdacted call of the terrorist who murdered the folks at Pulse. They wanted to cut out the part where he claimed his terrorist ties to isis, etc. The Public demanded the call recording in its unaltered form.....good news, it was done.
Now the second thing:
Our Governor filed for a State of Emergency for the Orlando Pulse Terrorist shootings. This would bring 5 million in funding to help pay for all the damage that has been done. It was Denied.
There was no reason listed by the news for the denial.
The only thing I can think of is that 'his highness' doesn't beleive this guy was a terrorist. (my opinion only)
I heard that too about trying to cut out the part where he claimed his ties - I don't quite get that when everybody has already heard about the ties, what good would it do after the fact? - But then, nothing from our POS Prez would surprise me. |
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"Heck's Coming With Me"
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Location: Kansas | Griz - 2016-06-21 5:19 AM kasaj2000 - 2016-06-21 5:05 AM Watching the news last night and this morning 2 things:
They tried to issue the REdacted call of the terrorist who murdered the folks at Pulse. They wanted to cut out the part where he claimed his terrorist ties to isis, etc. The Public demanded the call recording in its unaltered form.....good news, it was done.
Now the second thing:
Our Governor filed for a State of Emergency for the Orlando Pulse Terrorist shootings. This would bring 5 million in funding to help pay for all the damage that has been done. It was Denied.
There was no reason listed by the news for the denial.
The only thing I can think of is that 'his highness' doesn't beleive this guy was a terrorist. (my opinion only) I heard that too about trying to cut out the part where he claimed his ties - I don't quite get that when everybody has already heard about the ties, what good would it do after the fact? - But then, nothing from our POS Prez would surprise me.
A man named Phillip Haney just wrote a book. He worked for the Dept. of Homeland Security for years and established a database of terrorists in the U.S and also their ties to the network of mosques here in America. When Obama came into office, all of his information was scrubbed from the files. I've seen him interviewed on tv twice. I think the book is called "See Something, Do Nothing." The whole thing is just mindblowing. |
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Accident Prone
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | kasaj2000 - 2016-06-21 5:05 AM Watching the news last night and this morning 2 things:
They tried to issue the REdacted call of the terrorist who murdered the folks at Pulse. They wanted to cut out the part where he claimed his terrorist ties to isis, etc. The Public demanded the call recording in its unaltered form.....good news, it was done.
Now the second thing:
Our Governor filed for a State of Emergency for the Orlando Pulse Terrorist shootings. This would bring 5 million in funding to help pay for all the damage that has been done. It was Denied.
There was no reason listed by the news for the denial.
The only thing I can think of is that 'his highness' doesn't beleive this guy was a terrorist. (my opinion only)
Half of our town was wiped out by a tornado in 2007, the main business area and residences both, and we were denied federal disaster aid. Why? Because most of what was damaged was insured, so the losses didn't meet the monetary threshold. Federal declarations are tricky. We decided we didn't need no stinkin fed money and helped our own.
They did eventually let people in need have some of the FEMA trailers that were rotting unused at the Hope, AR airport, but it was a fight to get them. They built all those trailers after Katrina and then they sat and many were ruined by the time FEMA auctioned them off. Fine example of bloated bureaucracy. |
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Semper Fi
Location: North Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2016-06-21 7:03 AM
kasaj2000 - 2016-06-21 5:05 AM Watching the news last night and this morning 2 things:
They tried to issue the REdacted call of the terrorist who murdered the folks at Pulse. They wanted to cut out the part where he claimed his terrorist ties to isis, etc. The Public demanded the call recording in its unaltered form.....good news, it was done.
Now the second thing:
Our Governor filed for a State of Emergency for the Orlando Pulse Terrorist shootings. This would bring 5 million in funding to help pay for all the damage that has been done. It was Denied.
There was no reason listed by the news for the denial.
The only thing I can think of is that 'his highness' doesn't beleive this guy was a terrorist. (my opinion only)
Half of our town was wiped out by a tornado in 2007, the main business area and residences both, and we were denied federal disaster aid. Why? Because most of what was damaged was insured, so the losses didn't meet the monetary threshold. Federal declarations are tricky. We decided we didn't need no stinkin fed money and helped our own. They did eventually let people in need have some of the FEMA trailers that were rotting unused at the Hope, AR airport, but it was a fight to get them. They built all those trailers after Katrina and then they sat and many were ruined by the time FEMA auctioned them off. Fine example of bloated bureaucracy.
TFL, I understand and agree with Your Town's assessment of the tornado damage. However, Orlando was not a Natural Event, but a Political Event and I believe that a Declaration of Emergency would be warranted in this particular scenario. |
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Knowledge is Power
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | kasaj2000 - 2016-06-21 6:05 AM Watching the news last night and this morning 2 things:
They tried to issue the REdacted call of the terrorist who murdered the folks at Pulse. They wanted to cut out the part where he claimed his terrorist ties to isis, etc. The Public demanded the call recording in its unaltered form.....good news, it was done.
Now the second thing:
Our Governor filed for a State of Emergency for the Orlando Pulse Terrorist shootings. This would bring 5 million in funding to help pay for all the damage that has been done. It was Denied.
There was no reason listed by the news for the denial.
The only thing I can think of is that 'his highness' doesn't beleive this guy was a terrorist. (my opinion only)
Our state received money from the Dept. of Justice for the killing of the 9 church members in Charleston. If you are talking about mental and emotional damage maybe this area will receive money from the DOJ.
http://www.newsweek.com/us-fast-track-29-million-help-charleston-shooting-victims-families-345246
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 Goat Giver
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| jbhoot - 2016-06-19 4:03 PM skye - 2016-06-19 1:49 PM jbhoot - 2016-06-19 11:12 AM Vickie - 2016-06-19 10:30 AM TXBO - 2016-06-19 10:29 AM Vickie - 2016-06-18 3:41 PM foundation horse - 2016-06-17 10:28 PM magic gunsmoke - 2016-06-17 8:42 PM Teaching=thankless job. That's about all I have to say about that...love how we always end up taking the blame for everyones mistakes on all sides. The parents, the students, the government, general population. Although I do greatly appreciate the posts that say the fault does not lay with us. Thank you for the support! We try to rise above what we are given and make the world a better place! Are you disputing my historical evaluation involving Horace Mann the self admitted socialist? Teaching in and of itself is a noble profession i.e. calling. And not a lot of people are proficient in teaching others............Now with that said, I agree with TFL in the politics of teaching. The history of Horace Mann illustrates the political side of teaching. Also, Teacher's Unions have done nothing whatsoever to help educate students! However, the unions have darn sure lined their leader's pockets and kept subpar teachers employed!
I am very tired of anti-public education people trying to destroy the very foundation of our democracy = a free, quality public school system. An educated populance is the best defense of democracy.
Congratulations, you just proved the point for all the anti-public school proponents. Just what part of the Constitution or the bill of rights says it is the most important function of government? WOW, What would you prefer an uneducated populance that is easily lead. Most Americans seen easily lead. The polititians like it that way. Your assumption that I would approve an uneducated populace proves my point. The federal government was never given the right to be in the education business and that is what it is a business. That right was given to the states and there it should remain. And yes the politicians do like the present system it's called central control of your money your lives and what you learn. So far the federal government is doing a fine job of turning out a dumbed down populace just what they want.
Teachers unions do nothing for children, but in our part of the world, they saved the pension on a teacher convicted of sexual assault of a student.
I am glad my children never set foot in a public school.
Where in the constitution does it allocate government control of the classroom and funding of such?
Edited by kmcsunshine 2016-06-21 3:25 PM
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