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Location: run2win land | If all other things are somewhat equal in regards to progeny of an in demand stud, how much would it decrease the value of the foal if born cremello? |
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| A lot in my experience. They are very hard to sell. I would never personally buy one nor breed for one just not my thing |
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Location: Jersey Girl | I would never personally buy a cremello either and my opnion is based solely on their looks. I also do not like perlinos.
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Location: Somewhere around here | Color really doesn't effect me in any way so I'd still be interested. Sure, your horse might look dirtier than your bays but I've had two greys so far and they actually stayed clean most of the time (and actually a lot cleaner than my sorrel now who will roll in the only muddy area in 100 acres  ). All in all, a good horse isn't a color. |
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Location: Kansas | I've seen alot of people pass by Cremello or Perlino ads. Not sure why, I wouldn't mind having one. |
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| Yeah unfortunately I think their value does decrease. I personally would likely pass by one but I do know a few super nice horses that are cremello and I tend to be caught eyeing them up. |
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| There was a nice cremello that sold at the East Texas Futurity sale about 4 years ago. No body wanted him and he sold for $750 which was horrible because he was bred really nice.
The next year they held a futurity for horses that were sold in that sale or previous sales. That $750 cremello went in there and out ran everyone by quite a bit. We were all pretty impressed and wishing we would've bought that sucker.
I would personally buy one if it had nice papers and/or athletic ability that really impressed me. But their color doesn't bother me. |
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Location: Never in one place long | This is really interesting hearing thoughts on this! |
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Location: N Texas | I would pass on one, no matter the breeding or price. Not because they're hard to keep clean, but because of their tendency to easily sunburn and have eye problems. The less I have to deal with, the better.
Same for horses with bald faces. I won't buy one that doesn't have dark skin around the eyes. |
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Location: Deep South | I would never buy one for a riding horse.
I would only consider purchasing one, if everything else equal, as breeding stock, since you are guaranteed color. And we all know, color sells. |
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| I used to have a nice looking, decent barrel and pole horse.
When I decided to sell him a friend (in the horse trader business) told me that he would be hard to sell because of his color. Dang, if she wasn't right. If I listed his accomplishments only, I got quite a bit of interest, but when they asked me what color he was, they never called back. When I listed his color, I got zero calls.
At the time, I thought it was because he could not be registered and that now they accept them in the AQHA, that would change......apparently not. |
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Location: California | I'll be the odd one out. I actually like cremellos & especially perlinos. In my area (north/central CA), color is HUGE. Most people are tired of the average bays and sorrels around here. The cremellos are new and fun. Of course barrel racing wise, the last color you're going to think has speed and agility is a cremello. They are more known as reiners and halter/pleasure horses in my experience.
Now not talking about QH's.. I'm also slightly involved with Andalusians & let me tell you... If you have a cremello Andalusian your value sky rockets by at least $5K. |
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Location: SE KS | I would prefer a perlino over a cremello, and it must be a mare, for breeding purposes!! Can't decide if I would buy one as a riding horse or not!! |
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Location: Royal J Performance Horses, AZ | I'd own a cremello or a perlino thats bred nice, built nice, talented, and a good disposition in a heart beat....
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Location: Oklahoma | Gunner11 - 2016-06-16 9:43 AM
I would pass on one, no matter the breeding or price. Not because they're hard to keep clean, but because of their tendency to easily sunburn and have eye problems. The less I have to deal with, the better.
Same for horses with bald faces. I won't buy one that doesn't have dark skin around the eyes.
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| I own a perlino, I bought her for a song basically. She's 2 this year and is the hardest working horse on the place. Whatever you ask of her she does it and does it well. She's a Reiner, she has all the buttons. Flying leads, spins, etc. I have had absolutely zero issues with sunburn. She doesn't even wear a fly mask, because she always pulls it off somehow. The only issue I have had is keeping her tail clean. I put it in a bag and problem solved. I think it's a myth that blue eyed horses are more prone to issues. I own 3 blue eyed horses and haven't had a problem with a single one.
That being said she is for sale for $3,500 which I think is pretty decent and I've had a few folks interested, but I know for a fact if she were half as broke and sorrel she'd have already been sold. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | The1CowgirlsEnvy - 2016-06-18 4:59 PM I own a perlino, I bought her for a song basically. She's 2 this year and is the hardest working horse on the place. Whatever you ask of her she does it and does it well. She's a Reiner, she has all the buttons. Flying leads, spins, etc. I have had absolutely zero issues with sunburn. She doesn't even wear a fly mask, because she always pulls it off somehow. The only issue I have had is keeping her tail clean. I put it in a bag and problem solved. I think it's a myth that blue eyed horses are more prone to issues. I own 3 blue eyed horses and haven't had a problem with a single one. That being said she is for sale for $3,500 which I think is pretty decent and I've had a few folks interested, but I know for a fact if she were half as broke and sorrel she'd have already been sold.
I bet shes a looker, wow for being a 2 year old this year she sure does know alot, how old was she when you started her training? |
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| She'd been messed with since she was a weanling. All ground work ect was done her yearling year. Was started under saddle at 22 months old. |
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Location: Missouri | dianeguinn - 2016-06-16 1:25 PM
Gunner11 - 2016-06-16 9:43 AM
I would pass on one, no matter the breeding or price. Not because they're hard to keep clean, but because of their tendency to easily sunburn and have eye problems. The less I have to deal with, the better.
Same for horses with bald faces. I won't buy one that doesn't have dark skin around the eyes.
^^^^This.
Just curious what type of eye probs they're prone to? I've heard that but never what problems specifically. |
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| It wouldn't bother me at all. I tend to like those "wild" colored horses because I think they're fun :) I would take a cremello or perlino over a sorrel any day, so long as they're bred well and have a nice disposition. Plus, if it's a mare, should I decide to breed later I will always get color which is a huge plus because color does sell. |
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Location: Wide open spaces, Canada. | For me it's a deal breaker |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | I would never buy one regardless of any other details. I just really dislike the color. So I wouldn't breed for one either. I know a neigbor that has bred his buckskin to a Palomino and he were very unhappy when the resulting baby (2x) was a cremello, he had a lot of trouble selling them too... wouldn't have had a bit of trouble if foals would have been a plain sorrel as they were well bred and I know one was as pretty made as a horse could get. Fancy head and just made like a dream. No one could get past the white though. |
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Location: You never know where I will show up...... | I ran one for a couple of years, she was no bother. Never had a problem with her sunburning her body or her eyes and she just ran out like all of mine do. She got hurt and ended up being a broodmare. Bred her twice to my palomino stallion, got 2 cremello babies that were the first to sell. She was a very well bred mare, and built right. I don't own her anymore, her injury ended up making her too lame to run out in the pasture here. I gave her away to some people that had bought several horses from me, they have a smaller operation and I knew they'd take good care of her. She's still producing some really pretty babies for them and always 100% color! |
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| dianeguinn - 2016-06-16 11:25 AM Gunner11 - 2016-06-16 9:43 AM I would pass on one, no matter the breeding or price. Not because they're hard to keep clean, but because of their tendency to easily sunburn and have eye problems. The less I have to deal with, the better. Same for horses with bald faces. I won't buy one that doesn't have dark skin around the eyes. ^^^^This.
This AND, if the horse carried the grey gene, risk of melanomas. |
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Location: College Station, TX | Guess I'll be the odd one out... I actually want one (mare). Not because I love how the color looks, but if I could find one that was built nice and went out and performed well I'd like to be able to add one to the herd for that 100% color producer part. I just haven't seen any yet that are bred how I want and built how I want, but when I do... It'll be at my house. |
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Location: Pacific Northwest | They're not my favorite color although I do think they look nice when they're kept clean. If color was the absolute ONLY thing I was iffy on, however, I would not let that bother me. It's not my favorite but not a deal breaker. |
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Location: The edge of no where | Not something I would look for....but if I ran across a good one, I'd buy it. How much the value would decrease to me would depend on how much additional upkeep the horse was going to need - sunscreen around nose & eyes is no biggie. Zinc oxide will stay on for a few days before you need to reapply. |
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Location: West Texas | How do you want one bred? I have 2 colts and a filly for sale, lol! I was told by a very respected breeder that he never saw one that wasn't a physically strong horse. He really liked them. The skin is pink but I am told that they don't actually burn. My experience would be the same. Mine are in the West Texas sun with no shade and don't burn. Here is a perlino filly of mine.
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Location: Western performance horse Hades | Having assisted in a few barrel horse auctions, they are more difficult to sell and often bring lesser prices that traditionally colored siblings. |
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Location: North Dakota | Well darn, next time I go horse shopping I'll look specifically for cremellos and perlinos! I love pink skinned, blue eyed horses. All of mine but one have had one or the other. |
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Location: Kansas | Does anybody remember a Metha or Meta Branson from years and years ago. She rode a cremello, really good rodeo barrel horse.
(older lady I might add.....an Okie)
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Location: California | I never thought I would like one or own one but when I saw my guy for the first time I fell in love. I personally had never seen one that was cleaned up and built well which is why I never really cared for them. If I found one that had some flash and was put together I would easily buy another. Mine never burned except maybe his nose which I bought a fly mask for. My paint burned wayyyyy more than he did. I ended up selling him (after I had him gelded) last fall for more money than he was worth because the guy wanted a flashy, gentle ranch horse. I guess I got lucky.
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Location: run2win land | I really appreciate all the info and comments. I do not believe it will affect the performance but I like to have something that is marketable if I ever decide to sell. Also, it appears that value IS impacted, so how much I would be willing to pay is definitely effected. My Mom rode one when she was younger that she could jump, gymkana and rodeo on so they can be awesome. It comes down to value. |
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| I never had issues with sunburn and keeping my gelding clean. He actually looked dirtier(yellower) when washed! And he never looked dusty like the bays and sorrels do. I always made a point to list his star and strip on his coggins, just to throw any inspectors for a loop. Hard to see, but they were there.
Personally, if I saw one I liked, fit my style of riding and could shut the clock off, I would but in a heartbeat. But then again, when I buy, I buy for myself, not resale. |
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| I am not a fan of cremellos or perlinos but if I liked everything about the horse other than its color I'd sure take a looksee. I just bought a new horse and her color is my least favorite thing about her - she's a super light palomino. LOL. |
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Location: Northern Ontario | You guys can send them all over here please! Ill form a nice little broodmare band, run them and then breed them to anything and be guaranteed colour! Plus, I.live in northern canada so they wouldn't sunburn lol |
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| They don't sunburn anymore than any other horse. That's a myth. |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | I can't say I'm a fan, but it wouldn't turn me off if it was a good horse. BUT I would not get one simply because my husband would likely shoot it...lol. He hates cremellos and any other horse with a white face that extends past their eyes with a passion! |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | I believe it affects the value tremendously if the horse is Cremello or Perlino. From a seller standpoint it doesn't matter how well we educate ourselves on the color and sunburning may not be an issue and eye problems may not be an issue but you have to remember that buyers are going to pass based solely on the myth of sunburning and eye problems. Not to mention the old wives tale of "white feet are softer". People will believe anything and sadly they believe all the myths of sunburning, soft feet, bad eyes, etc with the cremello and perlino colors. I've even heard people say they mature later in life, they are clumsy, they won't gain as much muscle, they are all hot headed and they aren't fast enough for barrels, ropings, etc. And again, all myth. But buyers believe those myths.
Would I buy one? You bet, they're cheap and color doesn't bother me at all.
Would I have a hard time reselling or getting my money I put in back? You bet, they're cheap and people believe all the myths.
Comes down to the question of: Are you ok with spending money you may never get back? 
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Location: North Dakota | little_bug - 2016-06-20 10:04 AM I never thought I would like one or own one but when I saw my guy for the first time I fell in love. I personally had never seen one that was cleaned up and built well which is why I never really cared for them. If I found one that had some flash and was put together I would easily buy another. Mine never burned except maybe his nose which I bought a fly mask for. My paint burned wayyyyy more than he did. I ended up selling him (after I had him gelded) last fall for more money than he was worth because the guy wanted a flashy, gentle ranch horse. I guess I got lucky.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | One of the other issues I see with stallions and mares breeding that are cremello, is really the only thing they have positive about them is that they throw color. Takes breeding for JUST color to a whole new level. There are a few I have seen in person that are NICE made, but bloodline wise, it is too far back to entice most breeders. |
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Location: Central Montana | I never thought I'd own one until I bought the one I have. He is BUILT and bred right. He was bred and trained to rein. Reining is definitely one sport that doesn't shy away from color.
I think the color shows off poor conformation like no other but one that is put together correctly and well really shines.
Mine does sunburn. He has shade 24/7 if he wants it and wears a Cashel mask for several months of the year. The UV protection keeps the sunburn from the eyelids. Sometimes I will put a flysheet on him too if he starts to sunburn around his flanks. He is hard to keep clean, but, he LOVES mud and dirt, no, really, he will purposely go find and roll in it.
The color would not affect my decision to buy one way or the other. Just like any other color, to me, it depends on if the horse does what it is supposed to do and has a good, willing disposition.
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Location: Northwest Florida | I never would have thought it would decrease the value until reading this thread! I would never pass solely because the horse was cremello if it were what I was in the market for. Obviously though since many feel that way, it would decrease the demand for them and in turn decrease their value. I would think it would have the opposite effect however, if someone were looking to purchase for breeding stock purposes since you are guaranteed color. |
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| Over the years I have owned 10 head of double dilute mares, I have never had one that had eye problems or was prone to sunburn. These mares ran out in big pasture, no fly masks etc. I would buy one in a heartbeat if it was bred the way I want.
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Location: West Texas | Flying Farmer - 2016-06-24 6:22 PM
Over the years I have owned 10 head of double dilute mares, I have never had one that had eye problems or was prone to sunburn. These mares ran out in big pasture, no fly masks etc. I would buy one in a heartbeat if it was bred the way I want.
That is right. We have 4 right now and no problems. They get pink and people mistake that for sunburn. Paint horses and bald face burn. The skin peels. I don't know why but double dilutes don't burn like other horses. The worst place a horse burns is their nose. Lots of regular colored QH with white there and they burn worse than any of the double perlinos and cremellos that we have had. West Texas desert sun is pretty brutal too. No cover, no trees. |
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