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Location: SoCal | What's your favorite Low Starch and High Fat feed? Would need it to have a dealer in Southern California if it's only available through dealers. Would be for a horse that is possibly PSSM2 or RER, if you're experienced with either, I am open to PMs with advice, this is all new to me. Thanks! |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | BlueBonnet feeds is a good one to go to. They have a feed thats good to put PSSM horses on its called Intensify Total Advantage. This is the one that I have one of my geldings on since he grass flounder.. I have always used BlueBonnet. Google BlueBonnet Feeds and they have some much information on all their feeds.  |
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| Hey! I'm in so cal as well. We suspect my horse is a PSSM2 as well. Changed diet and I have seen a really huge improvement in my horse! I am in the Menifee area and almost all the feed stores down here carry " Integrity" line of horse feeds. I feed the " Low starch Lite" formula with NO molasses. It's extremely low starch and sugar and it's also lower in fat so I add 50/50 mix of integrity stabilized rice bran. So 50 percent integrity lite and 50 percent rice bran. My horses love the feed and look amazing on it. It's milled In Perris CA which is only about 5 miles away. Safe mill no ionoohores. Very reasonably priced at 22.00 a bag. They have a program of 10 bags get one free as well. Hope that helps! PM me if you have questions or want to chat. Purina ultium is not a bad feed either if you want something that is more widely distributed. But my horse is very sensitive to molasses and it also has corn in it. Pretty high energy. I also started a magnesium and vit E supplement and loving the results. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-06-19 3:38 PM
BlueBonnet feeds is a good one to go to. They have a feed thats good to put PSSM horses on its called Intensify Total Advantage. This is the one that I have one of my geldings on since he grass flounder.. I have always used BlueBonnet. Google BlueBonnet Feeds and they have some much information on all their feeds.
I would love to get blue bonnet here in SoCal but there is no way to get it. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | FLITASTIC - 2016-06-19 5:43 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2016-06-19 3:38 PM
BlueBonnet feeds is a good one to go to. They have a feed thats good to put PSSM horses on its called Intensify Total Advantage. This is the one that I have one of my geldings on since he grass flounder.. I have always used BlueBonnet. Google BlueBonnet Feeds and they have some much information on all their feeds.
I would love to get blue bonnet here in SoCal but there is no way to get it.
Thats to bad, BlueBonnet is a great feed and the people that work there is so awesome in helping you out. The lady that runs the feed store here is very knowledgeable about Bluebonnet, they train and hold seminars at the feed store to help their customers better themselves to understand the feed. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-06-19 4:03 PM
FLITASTIC - 2016-06-19 5:43 PM
Southtxponygirl - 2016-06-19 3:38 PM
BlueBonnet feeds is a good one to go to. They have a feed thats good to put PSSM horses on its called Intensify Total Advantage. This is the one that I have one of my geldings on since he grass flounder.. I have always used BlueBonnet. Google BlueBonnet Feeds and they have some much information on all their feeds.
I would love to get blue bonnet here in SoCal but there is no way to get it.
Thats to bad, BlueBonnet is a great feed and the people that work there is so awesome in helping you out. The lady that runs the feed store here is very knowledgeable about Bluebonnet, they train and hold seminars at the feed store to help their customers better themselves to understand the feed.
I know!!! I looked into getting it shipped out here and it was going to be extremely expensive. Maybe someday they will get it out here, just like Omnis cubes!!! LOL |
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Location: NE TX | A friend of mine has a mare that vet said has PSSM and told her to put the horse on Ultium in the blue bag which I think they call it performance. |
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| Flamin10 - 2016-06-19 6:13 PM
A friend of mine has a mare that vet said has PSSM and told her to put the horse on Ultium in the blue bag which I think they call it performance.
Ultium is great feed but it has corn and if your not riding the snot out of them it is VERY energy dense and can make one HOTTTTTT |
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Location: Southern Michigan | I've just discovered this whole PSSM thing, and I believe it fits my mare to a T, so I am in the process of changing her diet. I've been feeding Tribute feeds for a while now. Started on Kalm n Ez, she didn't like that so I switched to Kalm Ultra. She never liked that any better. So I am switching back to Kalm n Ez and the Tribute booklet lists out different conditions and recommends Kalm n Ez for PSSM.
I'd curious to know what everyone else feeds to see if there is something out there my mare may like eating better. Tribute is just easy for me to get, and I know it's a reputable feed that my friends turned me onto. |
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | Renew Gold!!! It has no molasses, corn etc. Extremely low starch. Can't say enough good things about it. |
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Location: Sunnyland Florida | JLBerry - 2016-06-20 7:51 AM Renew Gold!!! It has no molasses, corn etc. Extremely low starch. Can't say enough good things about it.
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| The biggest difference i saw in my possible PSSM horse was the molasses. There are some very low starch NSC Feeds out there that still have molasses. I would try Renew gold if you can get it. Out here in so cal we have access to most feeds. Not blue bonnet though. |
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Location: Willows, CA | We feed a lot of PSSM horses at Renew Gold. Feel free to call me at 530-518-8254 and I would be happy to go through your whole management program for this issue. There is much more to it than just diet. |
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Location: Kentucky | blueduck - 2016-06-20 12:04 AM TOTAL FEEDS/ TOTAL EQUINE. BEST FEED OUT THERE.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Murphy - 2016-06-20 10:15 AM blueduck - 2016-06-20 12:04 AM TOTAL FEEDS/ TOTAL EQUINE. BEST FEED OUT THERE. I disagree.
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| Don't forget to add oil to the low starch feed! I used vegetable oil due to expense. You can use canola, flax, sunflower, even corn oil (which many feel increases inflammation but one problem at a time, right?).
I have yet to see a commercial feed with enough fat in it for the needs of a PSSM horse. |
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Location: SoCal | rodeoveteran - 2016-06-20 8:36 AM
Don't forget to add oil to the low starch feed! I used vegetable oil due to expense. You can use canola, flax, sunflower, even corn oil (which many feel increases inflammation but one problem at a time, right?).
I have yet to see a commercial feed with enough fat in it for the needs of a PSSM horse.
The mare is on flax seed oil, and that has definitely given my the biggest change in weight for her, she's a hard keeper, and after about a month of her being on it, she's got an actual belly and isn't a bunch of ribs anymore. She was in an "athletic" shape before, with muscle tone, but she definitely needed quite a bit of weight put on. She's a very anxious horse, so trying to keep her calm has helped her retain weight as well. But on that note, I'm positive that the oil has influenced her weight, and it's the only feed supplement that has done so. I believe she ends up getting roughly 3/8 cup, and that has really helped. |
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Location: SoCal | I'm pretty sure our feed store carries Integrity, but I'll keep an eye for Renew Gold if not. We've got quite a few local feed stores, so one of them is bound to have either.
Thank you for all the suggestions! It's definitely given me a place to start. |
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| JLBerry - 2016-06-20 5:51 AM
Renew Gold!!! It has no molasses, corn etc. Extremely low starch. Can't say enough good things about it.
So those of you feeding Renew Gold, are you completely replacing your current feed with it? Or using solely as a fat supplement? I've heard both...
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Location: God's country...aka TEXAS | MPoloncic - 2016-06-20 12:38 PM
JLBerry - 2016-06-20 5:51 AM
Renew Gold!!! It has no molasses, corn etc. Extremely low starch. Can't say enough good things about it.
So those of you feeding Renew Gold, are you completely replacing your current feed with it? Or using solely as a fat supplement? I've heard both...
All I feed is renew gold and hay. |
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| rodeoveteran - 2016-06-20 8:36 AM
Don't forget to add oil to the low starch feed! I used vegetable oil due to expense. You can use canola, flax, sunflower, even corn oil (which many feel increases inflammation but one problem at a time, right?).
I have yet to see a commercial feed with enough fat in it for the needs of a PSSM horse.
Fat content in a PSSM diet is really dependent on if its type 1 or 2. THat would need to be determined first. But I agree most feeds do not have enough fat. Renew Gold does. I don't like oils personally and all oils were not created equal. |
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Location: Sunnyland Florida | MPoloncic - 2016-06-20 1:38 PM JLBerry - 2016-06-20 5:51 AM Renew Gold!!! It has no molasses, corn etc. Extremely low starch. Can't say enough good things about it. So those of you feeding Renew Gold, are you completely replacing your current feed with it? Or using solely as a fat supplement? I've heard both...
I'm feeding Renew Gold with Seminole Wellness Perform Safe (a low starch PSSM feed) and mixed hays (Alfalfa, Timothy, Coastal, occasional Peanut hay & Orchard). Most horses get 1.5 cups renew gold and 1.5 cups of Wellness Perform Safe each feeding (twice daily). Plus lots of hay.
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| FLITASTIC - 2016-06-20 1:20 PM
rodeoveteran - 2016-06-20 8:36 AM
Don't forget to add oil to the low starch feed! I used vegetable oil due to expense. You can use canola, flax, sunflower, even corn oil (which many feel increases inflammation but one problem at a time, right?).
I have yet to see a commercial feed with enough fat in it for the needs of a PSSM horse.
Fat content in a PSSM diet is really dependent on if its type 1 or 2. THat would need to be determined first. But I agree most feeds do not have enough fat. Renew Gold does. I don't like oils personally and all oils were not created equal.
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| I fed renew gold for 4-5 months, but then decided to pay a lil more and get 10 more pds also and went with Amplify. It was the best choice for my horses. There is over 10% more fat in it than renew gold and lower sugar. Some of mine only get the Amplify, and other's get the amplify and a local milled feed called hay stack. It's a pellet, alfalfa, timothy, and orchard, flax, and beet pulp, and no molasses. |
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Location: West Texas | What is the NSC of Renew Gold? I would find it surprising if Amplify has less NSC than RG, with Amplify containing ground corn and wheat middlings, both higher NSC ingredients. Amplify will no doubt be more inflammatory and have a less desirable Omega 3:6 profile.
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| Tdove - 2016-06-21 8:46 AM
What is the NSC of Renew Gold? I would find it surprising if Amplify has less NSC than RG, with Amplify containing ground corn and wheat middlings, both higher NSC ingredients. Amplify will no doubt be more inflammatory and have a less desirable Omega 3:6 profile.
Don't quote me here but I asked Winwillows the NSC of RG and I want to say its 15%. |
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Location: Eatonville, wa | My gelding has epsm, i use triple crown low starch and add oil to my gelding feed. Vet had us do a aggressive diet change because of symptoms and test results. Between the fat in TC low starch and added oil (soybean oil and coconut oil) it's what he needs. I haven't found a feed alone that can provide all the fat that a pssm or.epsm horse needs. |
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Location: Willows, CA | For those of you looking for concentrates with added vegetable fat in the diet there is a consideration that a lot of people do not realize. Most forages (hay and pastures) are 1 to 1.5% vegetable fat. That does not seem like much until you think about 18 to 22 pounds of forage in the diet. If you average it to 20 pounds that is 136 grams of vegetable fat just from the roughage, or almost 1/3 pound of fat. This is why the horses digestive system handles added fat so easily as long as it is not overdone too quickly.. I does it every day anyway. If you take RG at 1 pound per day, you get an additional 58 grams of natural vegetable fat in three forms. Even at two pounds per day, which would be a high rate, there is still more fat provided by the hay or pasture in most cases. So when you are adding a concentrate don't just consider it a fat supplement. In most cases the other 85% of those products can have more impact, positive or negative, than the fact that it is an added fat source. If the concentrate is filler like soy bean hulls, alfalfa meal or brewers by-products you are missing out on a opportunity to have been adding better nutrition without ingredients that are there just to make the bag full. |
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Location: Phoenix | JLBerry - 2016-06-20 11:09 AM
MPoloncic - 2016-06-20 12:38 PM
JLBerry - 2016-06-20 5:51 AM
Renew Gold!!! It has no molasses, corn etc. Extremely low starch. Can't say enough good things about it.
So those of you feeding Renew Gold, are you completely replacing your current feed with it? Or using solely as a fat supplement? I've heard both...
All I feed is renew gold and hay.
Same. I feed alfalfa and grass hay and 1lb of RG. I get complimented on my horse by everyone who sees him.
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Location: TN | Purina Equine Senior Active - my 16 year old looks great on it! He has really blossomed since I got him and started him on it. It has 14% protein, 10% fat, 18% fiber, and only 16% NSC. It's expensive (I pay $23.99/bag), but it lasts a while because it's calorie dense and you don't have to feed much of it. |
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Location: So. California | FLITASTIC - 2016-06-19 3:42 PM Hey! I'm in so cal as well. We suspect my horse is a PSSM2 as well. Changed diet and I have seen a really huge improvement in my horse! I am in the Menifee area and almost all the feed stores down here carry " Integrity" line of horse feeds. I feed the " Low starch Lite" formula with NO molasses. It's extremely low starch and sugar and it's also lower in fat so I add 50/50 mix of integrity stabilized rice bran. So 50 percent integrity lite and 50 percent rice bran. My horses love the feed and look amazing on it. It's milled In Perris CA which is only about 5 miles away. Safe mill no ionoohores. Very reasonably priced at 22.00 a bag. They have a program of 10 bags get one free as well. Hope that helps! PM me if you have questions or want to chat. Purina ultium is not a bad feed either if you want something that is more widely distributed. But my horse is very sensitive to molasses and it also has corn in it. Pretty high energy. I also started a magnesium and vit E supplement and loving the results.
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Adding magnesium will help with any anxiety issues and calms them done a bit. |
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