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| I had to euthanize this year's foal due to complications from what a thought to be a genetic disorder. VSD was one of the complications and thought to have a genetic component.
I had two vets give differing opinions at the same practice in regards to re- breeding to the same stallion.
This mare did not carry the foal from this cross a year earlier- for unknown reasons.
Was it a fluke, or do these bloodlines just not cross together? I will not name the stallion, as he is well known and he does have a ton of winning foals on the ground. No fault found with the particular stallion - just perhaps not a good match.
My mare will be 23 next year and hasn't foaled since 2014- which was normal.
I have seen all but one of the foals that my mare has produced- and do not think there has been any issue with the 6 surviving foals.
One has Superiors in Team Penning and Sorting and stands at stud.
One is a rope horse that has won a fair amount of mine
One is a mare that started as a trail horse and was sold now making a living as a polo pony
Unknown foal
My 1D barrel gelding
My 2 year old no issues
5 have either competed hard and in the case of my young one - hospitalized and no abnormal cardiac findings noted when there for care n an unrelated matter.
Just really unsure which avenue to go
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| You are asking a genetic question with no genetic information on BOTH SIRE AND DAM of the lost foals nor of their siblings.
Your tiny bit of information on your 23+ year old mare is scanty and the only conclusion anyone could make is rather simple .. the mare can't carry a foal to term.
Find you another mare ... |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-06-20 8:02 PM You are asking a genetic question with no genetic information on BOTH SIRE AND DAM of the lost foals nor of their siblings. Your tiny bit of information on your 23+ year old mare is scanty and the only conclusion anyone could make is rather simple .. the mare can't carry a foal to term. Find you another mare ...
I kind of have to agree here. I think age is more against you than anything else. |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-06-20 9:02 PM
You are asking a genetic question with no genetic information on BOTH SIRE AND DAM of the lost foals nor of their siblings.
Your tiny bit of information on your 23+ year old mare is scanty and the only conclusion anyone could make is rather simple .. the mare can't carry a foal to term.
Find you another mare ...
Mare has been bred 8 times and carried 7 foals to term. They didn't or can't tell me where this mutation occurs.
The only question is that we have been unsuccessful in trying this cross. First try resulted in an absorbed foal between 45 and 90 days and the foal that I euthanized at 30 days of life.
This mare has not produced anything other than this last foal with any know genetic issues. I have a 5 panel on her and everything is negative. The facility did not suggest any further testing when I left so I am. I'm not sure what additional testing would be available to answer your question |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | what exactly did the foal have that caused it to be put down? Crooked, etc? So many things can happen that just happen. I imagine every breeder here has had a mare absorb between that time frame...and some might have had a foal born the next yr that wasn't quite right. Could be same stallion/mare but who knows why. I am sorry you dealt with this. Breeding is tough. Hope you have better luck next time 
edited because I had to look up VSD.
Edited by wyoming barrel racer 2016-06-20 9:49 PM
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| I had a 23 year old mare that had had many foals. i could not keep her in foal so I bought a new on from barrelhorseusa. Second one of his nice mares i have purchased. I guess I am saying get a younger mare.
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Location: Bastrop, TX | If you feel the cross is just wrong, then breed her to something else. Ultrasound at 12-15 days and put her on Regumate. I left my 23 yr old on Regumate almost til full term. Began weaning her from it the very last month per vets recommendation. Most say you don't have to leave them on that long but my vet wanted me to leave her on it as long as possible. Delivered perfectly normal foal. |
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Location: OH. IO | You have had a TOUGH YEAR!!! My daughter told me about the loss of your foal and im so sorry:( The stallion is nice but I think I would try something different since you have had issues both times.Its really the only way to know if shes gonna be ok to carry another foal without issues??? Just my thought...im not into breeding though so im far from having answers.Im sorry for your loss.I hope your other horse is coming along better. |
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| wyoming barrel racer - 2016-06-20 9:43 PM
what exactly did the foal have that caused it to be put down? Crooked, etc? So many things can happen that just happen. I imagine every breeder here has had a mare absorb between that time frame...and some might have had a foal born the next yr that wasn't quite right. Could be same stallion/mare but who knows why. I am sorry you dealt with this. Breeding is tough. Hope you have better luck next time edited because I had to look up VSD.
He had several different heart defects- the VSD is the only one which has any mention of being genetic. He was a darn near perfect foal in regards to confirmation.
The vet had never seen that many defects in one horse ever. They were amazed that he survived birth or lived for 30 days. He was growing and was bright - no signs of being deficient.
I was given the option to bring him home and let him pass naturally, couldn't bring myself to let him suffer any more.
I am hoping that I can choose a different stallion from the same facility and try again next year.
This mare takes on the first try and requires regumate for 60 days. We always pulls blood and check before we withdraw the medication.
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Location: OH | I would sure do a different cross--this one obviously is not working for whatever reason. |
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| Mighty Broke - 2016-06-21 9:47 AM
I would sure do a different cross--this one obviously is not working for whatever reason.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | The problem may well be genetic. I couldn't find that information in my search. But if they can't tell you if it's recessive or dominant, you can't make an informed decision. It also might be a "**** happens" type of problem. I have no suggestion without more information. |
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| Just a little difficult since this mare produces so well. I have 10k in and no baby. Most of this is stud fee so , I really hate to go with another choice of stallion since they both stand for several thousand less than my original choice.
I may try and lease a mare that has a similar performance and produce record. Since I do truly want to better the breed so to speak, even if it is being bred to be used by me. Life has a way of changing at times so I also want one that is marketable.
What other genetic testing is out there other than the 5 panel?
I wasn't offered any information regarding other options |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | Tmain - 2016-06-21 6:44 PM Just a little difficult since this mare produces so well. I have 10k in and no baby. Most of this is stud fee so , I really hate to go with another choice of stallion since they both stand for several thousand less than my original choice. I may try and lease a mare that has a similar performance and produce record. Since I do truly want to better the breed so to speak, even if it is being bred to be used by me. Life has a way of changing at times so I also want one that is marketable. What other genetic testing is out there other than the 5 panel? I wasn't offered any information regarding other options
Check UC of Davis website for equine tests. There's a bunch of them out there although I'm not sure what test you'd want in this situation (or if there's one). But that's probably your go to place to research genetic issues IMO. |
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| Speedy Buckeye Girl - 2016-06-22 8:48 AM
Tmain - 2016-06-21 6:44 PM Just a little difficult since this mare produces so well. I have 10k in and no baby. Most of this is stud fee so , I really hate to go with another choice of stallion since they both stand for several thousand less than my original choice. I may try and lease a mare that has a similar performance and produce record. Since I do truly want to better the breed so to speak, even if it is being bred to be used by me. Life has a way of changing at times so I also want one that is marketable. What other genetic testing is out there other than the 5 panel? I wasn't offered any information regarding other options
Check UC of Davis website for equine tests. There's a bunch of them out there although I'm not sure what test you'd want in this situation (or if there's one). But that's probably your go to place to research genetic issues IMO.
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| Gosh Im sorry you have had to go through all this. If the stud owner would let you I would either purchase/lease another mare to at least get a foal and not lose all your money. Breeding is hard! It is sure not for the faint of heart. In the past few years I have bred 2 mares 2 years in a row and have gotten 1 foal out of the situation, so I feel you for sure! :( Hope you can figure out something. |
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