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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | someone suggested this for me because my horse itches mane/tail off...what is this and where can I get it done? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Sounds swell. Let me know how it works out for you. Maybe this is the answer to my balding head. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | I had a horse communicator talk to my dog about my horse, horse is shy but the dog never shuts up.
She suggested to the dog to tell me to get a hair analysis done because it would shed light on deficiences that the horse may have that was not only causing the shyness but also his willingness to commit violent acts of homocide and abuse to any and all in the warm up pen.
As soon as my CC clears I should have some insight.
Fingers crossed. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bear and 1D you fellas crack me up  , the things that you two have to said really make me laugh  . Every time I see that one of you have posted I have to check it out, Sure would get boring without the two you of you on here.  |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Unfortunately on this board asking about HHA you will get a lot of these "answers".
Having said that check out runninghranch.com
That is who does my smoke and mirrors and sells me their snake oil.  |
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Location: IL | I had a Horse Hair Analysis done thru Depaolo Equine. I was at ends meet as what to do with my horses. My mare had reoccuring ulcer issues after doing everything I could to fix it. She was also rubbing all of her hair off her butt from itching off everything. Even broke the welds on the round pen, so was pushing so hard. I did the HHA and sent it in. I was curious if maybe she had a metal toxicity or mineral deficiency. No toxicities, but she was low in every mineral except selenium. Which in my area we aren't considered deficient. I have been giving a vitamin/mineral supplement to all of my horses and put her on their recommended personal supplement (which is very affordable) My horses look so much better. All the skin irritations are also gone from my mare. I have been feeding Excel (digestive supplement) from Depaolo and I can say it works great. No more stomach issues and way more affordable. I'm very satisfied with their products. I'm not a dealer, I just believe letting people know when something works. My horses aren't on feed, just alfalfa pellets, supplements, and good hay mix.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | 1DSoon - 2016-06-27 2:49 PM
I had a horse communicator talk to my dog about my horse, horse is shy but the dog never shuts up.
She suggested to the dog to tell me to get a hair analysis done because it would shed light on deficiences that the horse may have that was not only causing the shyness but also his willingness to commit violent acts of homocide and abuse to any and all in the warm up pen.
As soon as my CC clears I should have some insight.
Fingers crossed.
I've had a similar experience. Best $185 I ever spent. Found out my Rottweiler had a porcelain deficiency. I added porcelain pellets to his diet and he doesn't chase the UPS truck anymore. That vet is a genius! |
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | Bear - 2016-06-27 2:44 PM
Sounds swell. Let me know how it works out for you. Maybe this is the answer to my balding head.
well, thanks, Bear...I can always count on a smart a** remark from you. Apparently this is not considered science. The problem is, I didn't know that, for all I knew this was a legitimate lab test. I've got a beautiful, well-bred, 1D mare sitting out here in abject misery because she itches so much. I appreciate your empathy, Bear...at a time when I am wildly frustrated and looking for answers, you've been a good friend with kind words.... as a surgeon, I am sure your patients love your bedside manner. It's what separates the good from the great, don't you think? |
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Location: Aubrey, Texas | Dr. DePaolo's website is DePaoloEquineConcepts.com. I haven't used him (yet) but have heard good things about him; a good friend works there and speaks highly of him and his wife. It's your money, therefore your business, if you chose to use him or not.
One other thing I would suggest, if you aren't already using one, is to put a fly-mask on your mare. Even though she isn't allergic to the flies themselves, they crawl on everything and get pollen on their little feet and then crawl around a horse's eyes. I can handle things that I'm allergic to without incident but if I rub or touch my eyes, forget it! My palomino mare suffered terribly with the itchies; MTG scalded her rear end when I put it on her tail. When I put a fly-mask on her she stopped rubbing her neck, shoulder, and tail. It's worth a try. Good luck- it's awful to see them suffer with itchiness!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | CrossCreek - 2016-06-27 5:12 PM
Bear - 2016-06-27 2:44 PM
Sounds swell. Let me know how it works out for you. Maybe this is the answer to my balding head.
well, thanks, Bear...I can always count on a smart a** remark from you. Apparently this is not considered science. The problem is, I didn't know that, for all I knew this was a legitimate lab test. I've got a beautiful, well-bred, 1D mare sitting out here in abject misery because she itches so much. I appreciate your empathy, Bear...at a time when I am wildly frustrated and looking for answers, you've been a good friend with kind words.... as a surgeon, I am sure your patients love your bedside manner. It's what separates the good from the great, don't you think?
I have news for you. It's precisely my "empathy" that compels me to alert people when I feel they are being misled during periods of desperation and frustration, because I see people dropping hundreds and even thousands of dollars on baseless unproven tests and remedies backed up only by testimonials and endorsements, but conspicuously lacking in sound science. I happen to believe in science and the value of horsehair analysis lacks scientific backing.
You lay out a scenario where you have a nice mare with severe itching, and you are interested in an unproven test that costs $150-200. Has a vet who doesn't peddle HHA seen her?
As for my "bedside manner", I've given plenty of good medical advice to a lot of people on this board. You can ask them how I treated them in my messages or over the phone. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Have you looked in to the Curost products? My four year old used to itch his mane and tail out late spring of every year. By August he looked so moth eaten from all the sores on his body it was pitiful, no vet could give me a solution, just chalked it up to his anhidrosis. I have had him on the products since last fall and so far, so good, he is even staying darker gold than normal. He still isn't sweating normally but he is doing better considering how hot it is here, Dr. Schell didn't offer much hope on the anhidrosis but I guess just having a healthier horse is helping some.
?I am considering the hair evaluation from EquineHerbGirl, I am willing to gamble the $25 and the cost of whatever she suggests for a few months to see if we can get him sweating again. I know how frustrating it is to see your horse miserable and you can't do anything to help.
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| If you research HHA you will find several studies in which they had different results from hair taken from the same horse but from different areas. Min paints different results were found I the dark hair and light hair. They did say it is accurate in testing for toxins but not for nutritional needs. |
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Location: Probably On the Road to the Next Barrel Race! | For those of you who offered sincere advice, thank you, Ill look into some of these :) |
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Location: Piedmont, OK | I don't know about Horse Hair Analysis. I did have a horse that rubbed on everything and did allergy testing to find out she is allergic to pretty much EVERY THING! Including flies and mosquitoes. We have an allergy shot specifically designed for her and it cost less than the feed thrus and dex shots we were giving her. Just a thought. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | I had a mare allergic to everything under the sun, did hair analysis but wasn't convinced. Ordered the allergy shots and wasn't impressed then found Cur-OST and it's been a life saver. |
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| soonergirl98 - 2016-06-28 8:40 AM
I don't know about Horse Hair Analysis. I did have a horse that rubbed on everything and did allergy testing to find out she is allergic to pretty much EVERY THING! Including flies and mosquitoes. We have an allergy shot specifically designed for her and it cost less than the feed thrus and dex shots we were giving her. Just a thought.
My vet told me ANY horse that has allergy testing done via the blood sample will return results that the horse is allergic to nearly everything. LOL The only way to really get accurate allergy testing is to find an equine allergist. We have one here and they do the skin testing. Basically leave your horse at the clinic for 2-3 days and they run skin tests. Its extremely expensive. I had a horse about 10 years ago that would get massive hives nearly every week. Did the allergy testing, shots didnt work etc. THats when someone suggested FORCO. and guess what, hives went away and never came back. I'm sure its all about GUT health. Curost addresses the gut health and thats why you see so many good results with it. I had given my allergy guy FORCO couple years ago.. went from that to curost and the curost really worked. When I went back to just forco I have maintained those results and my horse feels and runs just as good. Its all about a happy gut=happy horse. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | rodeomom3 - 2016-06-27 7:41 PM
If you research HHA you will find several studies in which they had different results from hair taken from the same horse but from different areas. Min paints different results were found I the dark hair and light hair. They did say it is accurate in testing for toxins but not for nutritional needs.
Yes, that has been done on numerous occasions. Send hair from the same horse to 4 different labs and get 4 different results.....but those "analyzer" machines sure look fancy and they have scientific sounding names.....probably with all sorts of lights and digital readouts. They've also sent separate hair samples from the same horse but labelled them as two different horses......different results.
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Location: Dubach, LA | It's considered reliable on human hair for drug tests. What's different in horses? |
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| CanCan - 2016-06-28 12:21 PM It's considered reliable on human hair for drug tests. What's different in horses?
In humans and animals it is accurate for toxins, not for mineral/vitamins, etc. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | rodeomom3 - 2016-06-28 1:16 PM CanCan - 2016-06-28 12:21 PM It's considered reliable on human hair for drug tests. What's different in horses? In humans and animals it is accurate for toxins, not for mineral/vitamins, etc.
^ this. I've worked in the drug testing world the past 7 years. A whole different test. |
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Location: Dubach, LA | Hmm. Thanks. |
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Location: Sperry, OK | Barnmom - 2016-06-27 6:47 PM
Have you looked in to the Curost products? My four year old used to itch his mane and tail out late spring of every year. By August he looked so moth eaten from all the sores on his body it was pitiful, no vet could give me a solution, just chalked it up to his anhidrosis. I have had him on the products since last fall and so far, so good, he is even staying darker gold than normal. He still isn't sweating normally but he is doing better considering how hot it is here, Dr. Schell didn't offer much hope on the anhidrosis but I guess just having a healthier horse is helping some.
?I am considering the hair evaluation from EquineHerbGirl, I am willing to gamble the $25 and the cost of whatever she suggests for a few months to see if we can get him sweating again. I know how frustrating it is to see your horse miserable and you can't do anything to help.
Pour a can of beer in his feed every time you feed.. You will be surprised and how well it makes them sweat. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | ACEINTHEHOLE - 2016-06-28 2:53 PM Barnmom - 2016-06-27 6:47 PM
Have you looked in to the Curost products? My four year old used to itch his mane and tail out late spring of every year. By August he looked so moth eaten from all the sores on his body it was pitiful, no vet could give me a solution, just chalked it up to his anhidrosis. I have had him on the products since last fall and so far, so good, he is even staying darker gold than normal. He still isn't sweating normally but he is doing better considering how hot it is here, Dr. Schell didn't offer much hope on the anhidrosis but I guess just having a healthier horse is helping some.
?I am considering the hair evaluation from EquineHerbGirl, I am willing to gamble the $25 and the cost of whatever she suggests for a few months to see if we can get him sweating again. I know how frustrating it is to see your horse miserable and you can't do anything to help.
Been there, done that, lol. I even tried a bottle of the Guiness Extra Stout twice a day and that stuff is expensive! My poor hubby was drinking the cheap stuff and my horse was drinking $9 a six pack beer! I am at a loss with this guy, trying a second box of Equiwinner as soon as it gets here, those did seem to help a little just didn't last. |
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horse hair analysis?