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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Seems like there's huge scams going on in a lot of the random draw tack group pages on Facebook so buyers beware! I never trusted those things in the first place, glad I didn't waste my money!
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Location: Kansas | saw that posted all over the groups, hope something is done with what that family did....ripping people off and making off like bandits. |
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Location: N Texas | hoofs_in_motion - 2016-07-22 9:32 AM
saw that posted all over the groups, hope something is done with what that family did....ripping people off and making off like bandits.
Do tell!! I haven't seen anything. |
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Location: Kansas | Gunner11 - 2016-07-22 9:50 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-07-22 9:32 AM saw that posted all over the groups, hope something is done with what that family did....ripping people off and making off like bandits. Do tell!! I haven't seen anything.
Apparently a girl created like 12 fake facebook pages, and buddied up to one of the Admin's of the facebook group. They were in it together. Basically this individual would "buy" spots using her account and various fake accounts, then this admin would "draw" pretty much multiple times to get the individuals draw number on either accounts so they could win. She's walked off with over $1,000 worth of items they are stating.
Plus her family is involved as well.
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Location: N Texas | hoofs_in_motion - 2016-07-22 9:56 AM
Gunner11 - 2016-07-22 9:50 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-07-22 9:32 AM saw that posted all over the groups, hope something is done with what that family did....ripping people off and making off like bandits. Do tell!! I haven't seen anything.
Plus her family is involved as well.
People are so crappy. I can see how it would be so easy to scam people this way, I wouldn't participate unless I personally knew them and knew it was legit. |
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Location: North Dakota | I saw this post on FB about the scams. I have won several times in the original Random Draw Tack site but haven't bought a spot on an item in many months. So I don't know if things are still legit in that group or not but it is crazy how the screen shots these girls who are cheating just talk about it like it's nothing. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | OK so for those of us a little slower or who haven't seen it,
A girl created multiple facebook pages and entered in Random tack draws. THe admin "drew" one of her many names on facebook and they both made off like bandits with thte money? So there was never any tack up for draw?
Am I understanding this? Does anyone have a link to the facebook page?
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | What a surprise....NOT.......People were warned ! |
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Location: North Dakota | IRunOnFaith - 2016-07-22 1:19 PM OK so for those of us a little slower or who haven't seen it,
A girl created multiple facebook pages and entered in Random tack draws. THe admin "drew" one of her many names on facebook and they both made off like bandits with thte money? So there was never any tack up for draw?
Am I understanding this? Does anyone have a link to the facebook page?
I'll try to get the link for you. So they were both the admins in the group "random draw tack and supplements" I think it is called, and the only admins of that group. The one is a dealer for DAC products and they would put up items for draw and make fake accounts that supposedly "bought" spots in the draw and they would have everyone pay and then the other admin would "draw" the name of the fake account, somehow making it work and so that girl who posted the item for "draw" would make all that money but never have to send the item. They also did this to other people's draws without the person with item knowning. They would just ship it to who they thought was the legit winner when it was actually the admins rigging them so they won all the time and using fake names to win. They made off with saddles, saddle pads, BOT, and tons more. I would say much more than $1000 worth. This is how I understand it anyways. |
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Location: Kansas | IRunOnFaith - 2016-07-22 1:19 PM
OK so for those of us a little slower or who haven't seen it,
A girl created multiple facebook pages and entered in Random tack draws. THe admin "drew" one of her many names on facebook and they both made off like bandits with thte money? So there was never any tack up for draw?
Am I understanding this? Does anyone have a link to the facebook page?
Basically......two girls, one was admin who actually participated in drawing names, and the other was a girl who would buy spots with her account and all of her little fake accounts. Then this admin, would draw multiple times until she would get that specific draw number for that girl, or one of her fake accounts to win. She would record videos of all of these draws, if it was the wrong number she would delete the video and rerecord until the gals number would pop up.
So she would basically make off with a bunch of tack, saddles, yeti cooler, $500 gift certificate, bell boots, bags etc.
Now then......she would post DAC items for draw, and she would have them filled and would even include some of her fake accounts and say they "PAID".....then this same admin would draw the fake accounts. Boom girl wins. She gets to pocket the money, and doesn't need to mail off any of the product. Apparently multiple people contacted DAC, and boy is the company LIVID. |
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Location: Kansas | NJJ - 2016-07-22 1:23 PM What a surprise....NOT.......People were warned !
That's why i stopped participating LOL, after the warning I wised up lol. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Thanks Hoofs and Midwest. Clears a lot of things up. I am sure the company IS livid. People will associate DAC with scams. Sad stuff.....
ETA I found a lot of random draw pages on facebook with that name. Biggest group I found was one with 9,000+, but there is only one admin.
Has anyone posted about it in the barrel racing tack swap page on facebook?
Edited by IRunOnFaith 2016-07-22 1:49 PM
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | Sounds like future Lydia culps in the making! |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Dude..... Just read all 350 something comments on the bad tack seller page on facebook..... How are people so "smart" when it come to being deceptive and so stupid when they try and cover it up???
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| How did people find out about this? I am not surprised, but just wondering if there was any actual proof this was going on.
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| Besides being a scam, I believe that random draws are actually illegal in most states. People call it "random draw" thinking that gets around the "raffle" drawing restrictions. I think there was a thread/discussion about that just a month or so ago. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Two admins of the group. One admin got mad. Threw the other under the bus and released screenshots of the conversation between the two about scamming people to the world. Many others were in on it. Including familiy of one of the admins. Multiple screenshots with multiple aliases were released and the admin who squealed deleted her facebook. The other admin has admitted to doing wrong, trying to throw the admin who squealed under the bus but it isn't working for her.
Anyway, the admin who got thrown under the bus claims she will make it right but I don't see how she can. Even after she gives all the products back she still needs to return the money she collected from her aliases posts and raffles on products she posted. Its all a really messed up deal. |
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| And this is EXACTLY why raffles and games of chance are illegal in just about every state unless you are a non profit or meet the requirements for licensing. I'm sorry but if someone is stupid enough to participate and trust these complete strangers doing these "raffles", then I don't feel sorry for you when it turns out these things are scams. |
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Location: Missouri | rodeomom3 - 2016-07-22 2:08 PM
https://www.facebook.com/equinelover4ever/posts/10201738186491746[/q...
Holy....crap.....is it just me or did they go through a lot of freaking trouble to screw people over? Good grief.
You know, I'd thought about buying a spot on a few times and then added up how much I was going end up wasting pretty much gambling. Glad I didn't now. |
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| I was surprised to see the number of people that participated in those raffles. I could not bring myself to spend money on a chance to get something. I just as soon buy what I want. Kinda like throwing your money out the door if you don't win. No thank you! |
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| MO gal - 2016-07-22 4:17 PM Besides being a scam, I believe that random draws are actually illegal in most states. People call it "random draw" thinking that gets around the "raffle" drawing restrictions. I think there was a thread/discussion about that just a month or so ago.
its illgeal im georgia i ask my attorney about doing my covered arena not a good idea its illegal bummer |
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Location: Northwest Florida | I was not surprised to see this mess at all. I was a member of the group but never participated. This is exactly what I predicted happening when this trend took off on the horse sale pages. These were young girls, too. I saw in the screen shots where the one said "My Dad told me I better not cheat". Since she's a minor I wonder if she can even face any consequences.
It's sad to see, but not surprising unfortunately. What I find strange is the group is still going and people are still buying slots...?? I know there was an admin change but still I would assume people would have learned their lesson. |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | BigStarBound - 2016-07-24 2:13 PM I was not surprised to see this mess at all. I was a member of the group but never participated. This is exactly what I predicted happening when this trend took off on the horse sale pages. These were young girls, too. I saw in the screen shots where the one said "My Dad told me I better not cheat". Since she's a minor I wonder if she can even face any consequences. It's sad to see, but not surprising unfortunately. What I find strange is the group is still going and people are still buying slots...?? I know there was an admin change but still I would assume people would have learned their lesson.
No, I do believe she is an adult, although just barely. I know the face but don't know her personally. Still, hard to say regardless of age if she will be prosecuted. Have no idea about the other girl.
I'm just glad I wasn't in that group at all. Those things make me skeptical. Still, what a dumb greedy scam they pulled. I wouldn't want to be them pulling up to a barrel race for a long long time...
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | The youngest is in her late teens early 20s. The other is in her 30s.
At least, that's what the people who know who they are have said. |
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Location: South Central Florida | Gunner11 - 2016-07-22 11:09 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-07-22 9:56 AM Gunner11 - 2016-07-22 9:50 AM hoofs_in_motion - 2016-07-22 9:32 AM saw that posted all over the groups, hope something is done with what that family did....ripping people off and making off like bandits. Do tell!! I haven't seen anything.
Plus her family is involved as well.
People are so crappy. I can see how it would be so easy to scam people this way, I wouldn't participate unless I personally knew them and knew it was legit.
A lot of people DID know her personally. I think most of the people that bought tickets knew them.
She was also a DAC dealer as I understand it. Major problems. but the video's of other drawings were available but not sure if they still are.
They are illegal here in Florida. In this case, they did the "drawings" by hand with names written on tickets or pieces of paper. In some of the more ligit draws, they use a secure web page and it has to have been set up prior...the computer does a true random draw. The pieces of paper should have been a big red flag.
They are still illegal here in Florida, not sure about other states but at least with the computer draw you can't do the repete video of multipal draws.
There seemed to be plenty of proof but rumors were that family members were also involved. No idea on that.
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | Silly Filly - 2016-07-26 12:51 PM What is DAC?
supplements basically...I don't feed it but it seems to be pretty popular at least down here.
http://feeddac.com/
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Does anyone have an update on the outcome of this story? |
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Location: North Dakota | IRunOnFaith - 2016-07-27 9:22 AM Does anyone have an update on the outcome of this story?
I haven't seen much on it now.. They disabled comments on the one thread I can find. Hoping people don't just forget and let them get away with it completely. I know DAC posted on their FB about it but that was the last thing I had seen. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | MidWest1452 - 2016-07-27 12:52 PM IRunOnFaith - 2016-07-27 9:22 AM Does anyone have an update on the outcome of this story? I haven't seen much on it now.. They disabled comments on the one thread I can find. Hoping people don't just forget and let them get away with it completely. I know DAC posted on their FB about it but that was the last thing I had seen.
You and me both. I was hoping something legal had been done by now concerning the two involved. I asked to join the random draw page and whoever the new admin is accepted me. There's no trace of it ever happening on the page last I checked....
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| Looks like a new page has been started to take the place of the scam one. PayPal is sending out this message though:
"Under the Acceptable Use Policy, PayPal may not be used to send or receive
payments for activities that involve an entry fee and a prize, such as
raffles, drawings or lotteries. Due to applicable laws and industry
regulations, we do not offer approval for these types of transactions.
For more information about the status of your account and for instructions
on how to restore full use of your account, please log in to your PayPal
account and select the "Resolution Center" link. On the next page select
the "Resolve" button/s located under the Action column, in the Steps to
Provide More Information section and follow the applicable instructions."
The new page is telling people to make sure not to put raffle or random draw on the payment. Just use what the item is to get around this issue with PayPal. |
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Location: Northwest Florida | Speedy Buckeye Girl - 2016-07-25 9:54 AM
BigStarBound - 2016-07-24 2:13 PM I was not surprised to see this mess at all. I was a member of the group but never participated. This is exactly what I predicted happening when this trend took off on the horse sale pages. These were young girls, too. I saw in the screen shots where the one said "My Dad told me I better not cheat". Since she's a minor I wonder if she can even face any consequences. It's sad to see, but not surprising unfortunately. What I find strange is the group is still going and people are still buying slots...?? I know there was an admin change but still I would assume people would have learned their lesson.
I'm just glad I wasn't in that group at all. Those things make me skeptical. Still, what a dumb greedy scam they pulled. I wouldn't want to be them pulling up to a barrel race for a long long time...
Oh ok. I just assumed she was a minor due to way she spoke, and seemed to be still living with parents from the conversation.
If she's an adult that's even more sad.
It's good to see the Paypal update from SKM though. That should help put a stop to all of it. |
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| BigStarBound - 2016-07-27 2:19 PM
Speedy Buckeye Girl - 2016-07-25 9:54 AM
BigStarBound - 2016-07-24 2:13 PM I was not surprised to see this mess at all. I was a member of the group but never participated. This is exactly what I predicted happening when this trend took off on the horse sale pages. These were young girls, too. I saw in the screen shots where the one said "My Dad told me I better not cheat". Since she's a minor I wonder if she can even face any consequences. It's sad to see, but not surprising unfortunately. What I find strange is the group is still going and people are still buying slots...?? I know there was an admin change but still I would assume people would have learned their lesson.
I'm just glad I wasn't in that group at all. Those things make me skeptical. Still, what a dumb greedy scam they pulled. I wouldn't want to be them pulling up to a barrel race for a long long time...
Oh ok. I just assumed she was a minor due to way she spoke, and seemed to be still living with parents from the conversation.
If she's an adult that's even more sad.
It's good to see the Paypal update from SKM though. That should help put a stop to all of it.
Nope. These groups are telling people to just put what the item is on the PayPal and leave out raffle, random draw, etc so PayPal won't freeze it. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | SKM - 2016-07-27 3:27 PM BigStarBound - 2016-07-27 2:19 PM Speedy Buckeye Girl - 2016-07-25 9:54 AM BigStarBound - 2016-07-24 2:13 PM I was not surprised to see this mess at all. I was a member of the group but never participated. This is exactly what I predicted happening when this trend took off on the horse sale pages. These were young girls, too. I saw in the screen shots where the one said "My Dad told me I better not cheat". Since she's a minor I wonder if she can even face any consequences. It's sad to see, but not surprising unfortunately. What I find strange is the group is still going and people are still buying slots...?? I know there was an admin change but still I would assume people would have learned their lesson.
I'm just glad I wasn't in that group at all. Those things make me skeptical. Still, what a dumb greedy scam they pulled. I wouldn't want to be them pulling up to a barrel race for a long long time...
Oh ok. I just assumed she was a minor due to way she spoke, and seemed to be still living with parents from the conversation. If she's an adult that's even more sad. It's good to see the Paypal update from SKM though. That should help put a stop to all of it. Nope. These groups are telling people to just put what the item is on the PayPal and leave out raffle, random draw, etc so PayPal won't freeze it.
If you invoice via PayPal you can put whatever you want in the item description..... I'm not so sure it's going to stop people. People are still oblivious of the friends and family pay option too. People post everyday on scams through friends and family and they had no idea PayPal wouldn't cover them until it was too late.
PayPal is great. I Invoice people daily and would rather pay the small fee to use an invoice than to get taken on an item. Keep in mind if you as a seller do not provide PayPal with a tracking number your customer can get the item, claim they never got the item, and take back the money they just paid you. You have to enter the tracking the second you get the tracking number.  |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I still wonder what the outcome will be for these girls, I know if it were me and my money was scammed I'd be taking action to be reimbursed if I could, I know there's a lot of angry people on there now! |
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Random Draw tack scams!!