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| jbhoot - 2016-07-29 3:55 PM Will a simple answer is that in the last election all the cases of vote tampering that have gone to trial where done by Dem's SO YES SHE CAN RIG IT.
Yea, there were a couple of counties in Ohio that had more ballots casted than registered voters. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | But she is for the working person (known as higher taxes). She is for debt free college (also known as higher taxes). She is for lots of abortions (she wants women to be able to decide right up to birth). She wants woman to have equal pay (but hasn't given her employees equal pay).
CNN breaking news...The FBI is investigating a hack into Clinton's campaign...(Who gives a rat's ass) Too bad the FBI wasn't as concerned when people were hacking into her government e-mails. 
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Location: Slipping down the slope of old age. Boo hoo. | There has already been some shenanigans in the National Democratic Committee..... I saw a poll today that has Trump ahead of Hillary (Yea!). Folks who fear Hillary MUST go vote against her.
In all my life I have never seen such rampant pandering in an election. It's incredible what the Democrats have done, are doing and continue to do. My husband wants to move to Belize. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | horsesinharleton - 2016-07-29 3:06 PM She could just lie and say she won and her followers will believe nothing else!!
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Location: Ky | Yet the only presidential election ever stolen was by W and his daddy and his supreme court nominees. Gore won the popular vote as well.
Where was all this hand wringing by the right wing when the worst president in history got put into office by theft? |
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jbhoot - 2016-07-29 3:55 PM Will a simple answer is that in the last election all the cases of vote tampering that have gone to trial where done by Dem's SO YES SHE CAN RIG IT.
Yea, there were a couple of counties in Ohio that had more ballots casted than registered voters.
Yep Hamilton county had 120% of registered voters vote Obama. Cuyahoga county had 115% of registered voters vote for Obama. And both county's held up the returns until five hours after the polls closed. They held them until it looked like Romney was going to win the state and than bingo all of a sudden Obama wins both of the biggest Dem countys in Ohio. Just one question HOW CAN YOU GET MORE THAN THE REGISTERED VOTERS in a county |
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| jd&ez - 2016-07-29 3:17 PM Yet the only presidential election ever stolen was by W and his daddy and his supreme court nominees. Gore won the popular vote as well.
Where was all this hand wringing by the right wing when the worst president in history got put into office by theft?
Obama was cast in by the people who wanted change. You know, as in MY change. And by my change, I mean my "money" I work my ass off for. But, I call myself lucky because at least I have a job. Unlike the millions of Americans who are willing to work but can't find one (key word, WILLING to work). And unemployment numbers are a joke because those are only the ones collecting Unemployment Insurance which is only for a few months. The majority of people have been unemployed much longer than that, largely in part due to this "worst president in history". |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | jd&ez - 2016-07-29 5:17 PM Yet the only presidential election ever stolen was by W and his daddy and his supreme court nominees. Gore won the popular vote as well.
Where was all this hand wringing by the right wing when the worst president in history got put into office by theft?
Typical liberal. If you continue to repeat the lie people will begin to believe it and also the person that started the lie can no longer determine the truth from the lie.
The unspoken truth of the 2000 election dispute in Florida is always ignored by the left: Gore never led; not on election night, not after any statewide recount, not after adding the votes from county hand recounts, and not even in the exhaustive statewide post—election recounts conducted by the major state and national newspapers (in almost all of which Bush wound up ahead when any consistent method of counting was used.) Pick your method of counting chads, and it doesn't matter. Bush won.
Another myth is that Gore simply wanted all the votes counted. This is absolutely false. Gore lawyers and their supporters attempted to disqualify votes of some military voters overseas, and of absentee voters in several Florida counties. Both groups, not surprisingly, strongly supported Bush.
On the other hand, they tried to create votes that the machines had determined contained no vote for President (the 'undervote'), but only in four heavily Democratic counties: Broward, Dade, Palm Beach, and Volusia. In each of these counties, Democratic Party officials would control the hand count of the 'undervote.' So this was no exercise in civic minded duty — the logic was to find votes for Gore, and cancel votes for Bush.
The left likes to say that the United States Supreme Court gave the election to Bush. They did no such thing. What they did was reverse the Florida Supreme Court's effort to keep on counting until Gore won. The U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Bush v Gore may not have been a model of jurisprudence, but the left also ignores the fact that the decision to over—rule the Florida Supreme Court was not a 5—4 decision dictated by the five conservative members of the Court, but a 7 to 2 decision. Even two liberals on the Court were offended by the machinations of the Florida court and its creation of a chaotic vote counting system for the 'undervotes'.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2004/01/the_myth_of_the_stolen_electio.html#ixzz4FqFyiYR4
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Location: OH. IO | Nevertooold - 2016-07-29 6:10 PM
But she is for the working person (known as higher taxes). She is for debt free college (also known as higher taxes). She is for lots of abortions (she wants women to be able to decide right up to birth). She wants woman to have equal pay (but hasn't given her employees equal pay).
CNN breaking news...The FBI is investigating a hack into Clinton's campaign...(Who gives a rat's ass) Too bad the FBI wasn't as concerned when people were hacking into her government e-mails.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | jbhoot - 2016-07-29 5:42 PM TXBO - 2016-07-29 5:02 PM jbhoot - 2016-07-29 3:55 PM Will a simple answer is that in the last election all the cases of vote tampering that have gone to trial where done by Dem's SO YES SHE CAN RIG IT. Yea, there were a couple of counties in Ohio that had more ballots casted than registered voters. Yep Hamilton county had 120% of registered voters vote Obama. Cuyahoga county had 115% of registered voters vote for Obama. And both county's held up the returns until five hours after the polls closed. They held them until it looked like Romney was going to win the state and than bingo all of a sudden Obama wins both of the biggest Dem countys in Ohio. Just one question HOW CAN YOU GET MORE THAN THE REGISTERED VOTERS in a county
http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2012/11/ohio_voting_registration_and_2.html
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jbhoot - 2016-07-29 5:42 PM TXBO - 2016-07-29 5:02 PM jbhoot - 2016-07-29 3:55 PM Will a simple answer is that in the last election all the cases of vote tampering that have gone to trial where done by Dem's SO YES SHE CAN RIG IT. Yea, there were a couple of counties in Ohio that had more ballots casted than registered voters. Yep Hamilton county had 120% of registered voters vote Obama. Cuyahoga county had 115% of registered voters vote for Obama. And both county's held up the returns until five hours after the polls closed. They held them until it looked like Romney was going to win the state and than bingo all of a sudden Obama wins both of the biggest Dem countys in Ohio. Just one question HOW CAN YOU GET MORE THAN THE REGISTERED VOTERS in a county
http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2012/11/ohio_voting_registration_and_2.html
Nj I will admit to an error in my statement I should have not referred to county but to precincts in both county's. You are welcome to check I am sure you will. |
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Location: North Texas | tin can - 2016-07-29 9:05 PM
The head of the fbi I'm pretty sure is a republican, if he had her back he wouldn't have said she was careless, Colin Powell had a private email server. What's so great about trump? Chinease labor three wives, adultry,he Only uses union labor when forced to, trump university with it's ridiculous course s, no humility, rude, no control of his emotions bankrupt many times? Seriously please explain why you like him, without being insulting. I didn't get what anyone would want to watch his reality show, but then again i haven't had television in years.
Actually, I would have you to say are incorrect in regards to Comey. While Comey may be a registered to vote Republican. There are a number of published reports that Comey is affiliated/tied into The Clinton Foundation.
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Location: North Texas | tin can - 2016-07-30 10:54 AM
Trump has given a lot too the Clinton foundation and i do not consider him affiliated, imo if he was really for Hillary he wouldn't have said she was careless. Trump is my pick for a republican he is pretty liberal for a republican. Where i live every one supports trump, it will be an interesting election.
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Location: North Texas | Also, it would appear you are being wishy washy due to your posts of one implying something that would support The Killer and thereafter commenting on Trump. This thread is in regards to The Killer; Can she rig the election?
Short answer: I don't know!
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | The corruption runs deep and I always wondered why HSBC was one of the few banks that wasn't brought down years ago and now there is a trail of corruption that ties HSBC into the Clinton Foundation, cartel drug laundering money and Comey being on the board of directors of HSBC until recently. Talk about a conflict of interest. The HSBC corruption goes deep and even Lynch has showed favoritism to this bank. Good ole DC.  |
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I like that he pushes back and gets Democrats on the defence for policies that take more and more out of my paycheck. I'm sure the money doesn't actually get to the people it is supposed to help.
I like that he knows we have to get taxes down and the corporate tax rate down or we will loose more jobs in the US. We won't be able to help anyone with the debt going at this rate.
I can't afford $1,050 a month for health insurance so I can help pay for others who aren't working or have 10 kids and ride the system. Insurance is crushing me. Heaven forbid if I need a different vehicle.
Me personally, I'm sick of Republicans apologizing.
I'm tired politicians protecting illegal immigrants and Syrian refugees, yet, do nothing to help inner city Americans, but give them free abortions. Those kids don't even have a vision of something better.
If a college education is worth it to have a step-up in life-then pay for it yourself!
I like that he wants to destroy ISIS fast.
I like that he wants to build a wall and have immigrants come in legally. Tired of people like Elizabeth Warren calling the wall stupid, but don't live anywhere near the border and have do deal with those problems.
Trump filed bankruptcy legally using stupid government policy.
He has actually built a business and hired people.
The only reason people say he is rude and racist is because he pushes back. Hence, he is every name in the book. We are a very generous nation and I like someone who says it. We need to take care of our people for while. Read some of Debbie W-S emails for rude and racist.
Why any company uses union labor is beyond me! That is another long boring post in itself.
I don't watch much TV either so I don't know about his show.
These are just a few things on the top of my head. As you don't understand how anyone could like Trump, I don't understand how anyone could like Hillary. She is a liar, had a secret server, and put the US at risk for her own gain. Since when has she been against the TPP, oh yeah, since she needed Bernie's voters. Why all the sudden is she worried about China in trade deals,hmmmmm.
I'm sick of every person going to DC and lining their own pockets and I don't care if you have a D or R behind your name. I think Trump has all the insiders worried which is another reason I like Trump.
I do not mean to be snark in any way. I'm just stating reasons why I like him. No, I don't think he is a choir boy, but I'm sick of Washington corruption and feel Hillary is only out for personal gain. I have a hard time with her saying they came out of the White House flat broke while having 3 houses. I don't think she realizes flat broke means not eating or paying electric bill.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | For anyone interested in the corruption of HSBC, Comey and the Clinton Foundation..here it is.
I always wondered when the banks crashed why HSBC was untouched. Makes me sick and Killary stands up there and lies and lies and no one holds her accountable for all of her lies.
http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/07/13/fbi-director-comey-board-member-of-clinton-foundation-connected-bank-hsbc/
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | NFM Excellent post! 
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Location: Florida | camillamarie - 2016-07-29 8:12 PM I just don't understand how Hillary thinks that she is going to be an inspiration to young women when she's achieved everything she has, either by cheating or being married to a man who also happens to cheat.
She accomplished plenty on her own. She didn't "sleep" her way to the top. If you don't agree with her ideas say that, don't knock her down because she is a woman. We need to get above that. |
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camillamarie - 2016-07-29 8:12 PM I just don't understand how Hillary thinks that she is going to be an inspiration to young women when she's achieved everything she has, either by cheating or being married to a man who also happens to cheat.
She accomplished plenty on her own. She didn't "sleep" her way to the top. If you don't agree with her ideas say that, don't knock her down because she is a woman. We need to get above that.
I don't want to knock her down because she is a woman. I think that we need female representation in politics, but I don't think we need a woman who needs to rig primaries to get anywhere. You are 100% entitled to your own opinion but I think Hillary is the classic example of needing a man, and I don't believe that she ever would have run for office if she wasn't a first lady, JMO.
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Location: North Texas | Vickie - 2016-07-30 1:29 PM
camillamarie - 2016-07-29 8:12 PM I just don't understand how Hillary thinks that she is going to be an inspiration to young women when she's achieved everything she has, either by cheating or being married to a man who also happens to cheat.
She accomplished plenty on her own. She didn't "sleep" her way to the top. If you don't agree with her ideas say that, don't knock her down because she is a woman. We need to get above that.
Yes she did. She accomplished being 'fired' from the Watergate Hearing in the 70s for ethics violations. And then recently as Sep 11, 2012, she accomplished letting Four (4) each Americans die needlessly in a firefight in Benghazi and then accomplished lying to The American that the cause was a video in Pakistan. Yeah, she has accomplished a lot.
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Location: North Texas | Vickie - 2016-07-30 1:29 PM
camillamarie - 2016-07-29 8:12 PM I just don't understand how Hillary thinks that she is going to be an inspiration to young women when she's achieved everything she has, either by cheating or being married to a man who also happens to cheat.
She accomplished plenty on her own. She didn't "sleep" her way to the top. If you don't agree with her ideas say that, don't knock her down because she is a woman. We need to get above that.
She also accomplished corrupting The Rose Law Firm in Arkansas ala White Water Gate. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | foundation horse - 2016-07-30 2:30 PM Vickie - 2016-07-30 1:29 PM camillamarie - 2016-07-29 8:12 PM I just don't understand how Hillary thinks that she is going to be an inspiration to young women when she's achieved everything she has, either by cheating or being married to a man who also happens to cheat. She accomplished plenty on her own. She didn't "sleep" her way to the top. If you don't agree with her ideas say that, don't knock her down because she is a woman. We need to get above that. Yes she did. She accomplished being 'fired' from the Watergate Hearing in the 70s for ethics violations. And then recently as Sep 11, 2012, she accomplished letting Four (4 ) each Americans die needlessly in a firefight in Benghazi and then accomplished lying to The American that the cause was a video in Pakistan. Yeah, she has accomplished a lot. A lot of dead bodies and blood on her hands!
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Location: North Texas | NFM - 2016-07-30 11:47 AM
I will tell you a few reasons why I like Donald Trump. I read many of his books before he ever started running for President for business and real estate insight. One thing I like is he surrounds himself with the best people available in any area of expertise. I know he comes off as a one man show sometimes, but he is not.
I like that he pushes back and gets Democrats on the defence for policies that take more and more out of my paycheck. I'm sure the money doesn't actually get to the people it is supposed to help.
I like that he knows we have to get taxes down and the corporate tax rate down or we will loose more jobs in the US. We won't be able to help anyone with the debt going at this rate.
I can't afford $1,050 a month for health insurance so I can help pay for others who aren't working or have 10 kids and ride the system. Insurance is crushing me. Heaven forbid if I need a different vehicle.
Me personally, I'm sick of Republicans apologizing.
I'm tired politicians protecting illegal immigrants and Syrian refugees, yet, do nothing to help inner city Americans, but give them free abortions. Those kids don't even have a vision of something better.
If a college education is worth it to have a step-up in life-then pay for it yourself!
I like that he wants to destroy ISIS fast.
I like that he wants to build a wall and have immigrants come in legally. Tired of people like Elizabeth Warren calling the wall stupid, but don't live anywhere near the border and have do deal with those problems.
Trump filed bankruptcy legally using stupid government policy.
He has actually built a business and hired people.
The only reason people say he is rude and racist is because he pushes back. Hence, he is every name in the book. We are a very generous nation and I like someone who says it. We need to take care of our people for while. Read some of Debbie W-S emails for rude and racist.
Why any company uses union labor is beyond me! That is another long boring post in itself.
I don't watch much TV either so I don't know about his show.
These are just a few things on the top of my head. As you don't understand how anyone could like Trump, I don't understand how anyone could like Hillary. She is a liar, had a secret server, and put the US at risk for her own gain. Since when has she been against the TPP, oh yeah, since she needed Bernie's voters. Why all the sudden is she worried about China in trade deals,hmmmmm.
I'm sick of every person going to DC and lining their own pockets and I don't care if you have a D or R behind your name. I think Trump has all the insiders worried which is another reason I like Trump.
I do not mean to be snark in any way. I'm just stating reasons why I like him. No, I don't think he is a choir boy, but I'm sick of Washington corruption and feel Hillary is only out for personal gain. I have a hard time with her saying they came out of the White House flat broke while having 3 houses. I don't think she realizes flat broke means not eating or paying electric bill.
May I C&P this for other forums, please? It is precise and to the point!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Vickie - 2016-07-30 1:29 PM
camillamarie - 2016-07-29 8:12 PM I just don't understand how Hillary thinks that she is going to be an inspiration to young women when she's achieved everything she has, either by cheating or being married to a man who also happens to cheat.
She accomplished plenty on her own. She didn't "sleep" her way to the top. If you don't agree with her ideas say that, don't knock her down because she is a woman. We need to get above that.
She didn't sleep her way to the top, but she turned a blind eye to her husband screwing women left and right on his way to the top. Anybody with more than one brain cell can see that she knew Bill was a master politician and she put up with his peccadillos so she could hitch her wagon onto his train. Her marriage had been a convenient, mutually beneficial business/political arrangement. If my daughter's husband decides to pal around with convicted sex offenders and pedophile, I hope she has enough sense and self pride to divorce his venereal ass in a New York minute. The Clintons are a bigger crime syndicate than all 4 major crime families in NYC.
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Vickie - 2016-07-30 1:29 PM
camillamarie - 2016-07-29 8:12 PM I just don't understand how Hillary thinks that she is going to be an inspiration to young women when she's achieved everything she has, either by cheating or being married to a man who also happens to cheat.
She accomplished plenty on her own. She didn't "sleep" her way to the top. If you don't agree with her ideas say that, don't knock her down because she is a woman. We need to get above that.
She didn't sleep her way to the top, but she turned a blind eye to her husband screwing women left and right on his way to the top. Anybody with more than one brain cell can see that she knew Bill was a master politician and she put up with his peccadillos so she could hitch her wagon onto his train. Her marriage had been a convenient, mutually beneficial business/political arrangement. If my daughter's husband decides to pal around with convicted sex offenders and pedophile, I hope she has enough sense and self pride to divorce his venereal ass in a New York minute. The Clintons are a bigger crime syndicate than all 4 major crime families in NYC.
I hope to hell my daughter doesn't grow up to be like Hillary Clinton.
Is 'this' your liberal daughter, I have read your comments in regards to? |
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Location: North Texas | tin can - 2016-07-29 9:05 PM
The head of the fbi I'm pretty sure is a republican, if he had her back he wouldn't have said she was careless, Colin Powell had a private email server. What's so great about trump? Chinease labor three wives, adultry,he Only uses union labor when forced to, trump university with it's ridiculous course s, no humility, rude, no control of his emotions bankrupt many times? Seriously please explain why you like him, without being insulting. I didn't get what anyone would want to watch his reality show, but then again i haven't had television in years.
http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2016/07/fbi-director-comeys-deep-...
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Location: North Texas | Something else just came to mind. The FACT that The Koch Brothers now support The Killer over Trump speaks Volumes in regards to Trump. In the vein of how frightened The Estashblishment Types are of him!
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Someone on FB was saying that Soros owns the majority of voting machines and that they can be rigged and is why some machines where changing the name of a Repbublican to a Democrat. I didn't research to see if it was a fact so if someone wants to...knock your socks off.. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I just wathced the interview that Chris Wallace did and I had to turn it off. They played what she said and she then said that isn't what she said...You can't make this stuff up. She wants to bring in more refugees and anyone that thinks she isn't going to try to change the 2nd amendment...I have a 1-D horse for sale cheap. |
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Location: Kansas | foundation horse - 2016-07-31 11:42 AM Something else just came to mind. The FACT that The Koch Brothers now support The Killer over Trump speaks Volumes in regards to Trump. In the vein of how frightened The Estashblishment Types are of him!
Charles Koch has announced he will support neither candidate.
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Location: Kansas | Nevertooold - 2016-07-31 3:49 PM Someone on FB was saying that Soros owns the majority of voting machines and that they can be rigged and is why some machines where changing the name of a Repbublican to a Democrat. I didn't research to see if it was a fact so if someone wants to...knock your socks off..
The Brazilian Soros owns the Clintons and Barack Obama. Obama gave a fortune to Brazil to support offshore drilling. Won't support U.S. offshore drilling.
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Location: Arkansas | http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/16724-soros-connected-vot...
Saturday, 12 October 2013
Soros-connected Vote-counting Firm Expands in U.S.
Written by Joe Wolverton, II, J.D.
Soros-connected Vote-counting Firm Expands in U.S.
A Spanish vote-tabulation firm with ties to billionaire globalist George Soros is purchasing software to give it greater power over the voting in U.S. elections.
In a press release under a Barcelona and Tampa, Florida dateline, Scytl announced:
Scytl's end-to-end election modernization solution covers the full election cycle (Pre-election, Election Day and Post-election), providing electoral bodies the most secure, transparent, auditable and accessible solution in the marketplace and allows Scytl to offer personalized election modernization roadmaps to their customers combining both traditional and online voting solutions as needed.
In order to consolidate such beginning-to-end control, Scytl has purchased software from a trio of organizations within the gravitational pull of planet Soros.
Again, from the press release:
Scytl, the worldwide leader in secure online voting and election modernization, continues receiving electoral and industry expert recognition for its end-to-end election modernization technology and electoral roadmap implementation approach from organizations such as IDC, Ovum and ACEEEO.
Regarding the benefit of its cooperation with Ovum, Scytl writes:
"We believe Scytl's wide variety of offerings, investment into certifications, and emphasis on security, auditing, and testing position the company as a dominant provider in election modernization," says Nishant Shah, Research Analyst at Ovum and author of the On the Radar: Scytl report.
Shah’s biographical sketch on the Ovum website is worth reading in light of his influence on the machines that count votes in American elections.
Before joining Ovum, Nishant’s work spanned organizational strategy, project management, sustainability, and business development. This included facilitating large-scale public-private partnerships in international health for Ambassador Richard Holbrooke and his Global Business Coalition....
That snippet contains several red flags. First, there is Shah’s facilitation of “large-scale public-private partnerships” or PPPs.
A PPP is often defined as “a contract between a public sector authority and a private party, in which the private party provides a public service or project and assumes substantial financial, technical and operational risk in the project.” As part of this scheme, a private company is given control over some public function typically provided by government. It is a tactic very much in vogue in internationalist circles and is considered an effective way to sneak the influence and the control of the UN in the back door.
Regardless of the rhetoric, the true purpose of PPPs is to consolidate government and private corporations, giving them joint control over public entities. The result is the elimination of local sovereignty and the insidious replacement of county election commissions with a board of directors of a company whose mission statement calls for the creation of an executive governing body that is neither fish nor fowl, but is obliged to enforce international treaties and regulations written by the apparatchiks at the UN.
Given the UN’s role in promoting PPPs, it is likely that those administering these centralized partnerships will come from a coterie of managers accustomed to looking to the international body or federal agencies for guidance, if recent initiatives such as Agenda 21 are any example.
As envisioned by the UN and the internationalists in the U.S. government, PPPs will slyly seize control of elections, transferring authority for this vital expression of republican government from local and state boards to pseudo-private agencies made up of a mish-mash of federal agents and bureaucratic overseers adhering to global government regulations.
The second warning bell that sounds in the Shah biography is his affiliation with the GlobalBusiness Coalition.
George Soros is the “founding supporter” of Global Business Coalition.
There is yet another Shah-Soros connection.
Later in Shah’s Ovum bio, his work with the Acumen Fund in Pakistan is noted. Soros’s daughter, Andrea, serves on the board of this organization. She also sits on the board of her father’s Open Society Foundation.
Following the dotted lines connecting the Open Society Foundation to Scytl and on to Soros, is a bit of a challenge, but one worth accepting. In an article published on World Net Daily, Aaron Klein ably guides readers from strand to strand in this web of influence.
Scytl purchased the software division of Gov2U, described as a non-profit organization dedicated to developing and promoting the use of technology in the fields of governance and democracy.
A Scytl press release said: “Gov2U created its software division in 2004 and, since then, it has developed a wide array of innovative award-winning eDemocracy solutions that have been implemented in multiple countries across Europe, Africa and America at the local, regional and federal government levels.”
The Spain-based company says the “main purpose of these tools is to engage citizens in participatory processes through the use of online and offline platforms, bringing more transparency and legitimacy to decision-making processes.”
Gov4U is currently partnered with Soros’ Open Society to support and develop a group called the Declaration on Parliamentary Openness.
The group runs a website, OpeningParliament.org, which says it is a forum “intended to help connect the world’s civic organizations engaged in monitoring, supporting and opening up their countries’ parliaments and legislative institutions.”
Gov4U, meanwhile, has eight partners of its own listed on its website, including the Soros-funded and partnered National Democratic Institute, or NDI.
Aside from receiving financial support for Soros, NDI has co-hosted scores of events along with Soros’ Open Society. The two groups work closely together.
NDI and the Open Society, for example, worked together to push for electoral and legislative reform in Romania.
NDI boasts that with Open Society Institute funds it conducted a political leadership training series for Romanian activists to “bring tangible improvements to their communities.”
NDI describes itself as a nonprofit, nonpartisan, nongovernmental organization working to establish and strengthen political and civic organizations, safeguard elections and promote citizen participation, openness and accountability in government.
NDI previously stated it was founded to draw on the traditions of the U.S. Democratic Party.
WND found that NDI is also listed as the only U.S.-associated organization of Socialists International, the world’s largest socialist umbrella group.
NDI was originally created by the federally funded National Endowment for Democracy, or NED, which itself founded joint NDI projects with the Open Society. Another NDI financial backer is the United States Agency for International Development, USAID.
It is disturbing to discover that not only is Scytl found in the Soros sphere, but it has demonstrable connections to international socialism, the U.S. Democratic Party, and the United Nations, as well.
Taken alone, these unsettling associations might make voters question their electoral board’s contracting with Scytl to administer elections in the United States. When viewed in context of the spread of Scytl’s support of vote counting, however, the picture takes on a darker aspect.
For example, the state of Florida was using Scytl to tabulate election results, but later rescinded the contract after uncovering evidence of significant risks in the methods the Barcelona-based company was employing.
According to the report issued by the Florida Department of State:
Our findings identified vulnerabilities that, in the worst case, could result in (i) voters being unable to cast votes, (ii) an election result that does not accurately reflect the will of the voters, or (iii) disclosure of confidential information, such as the votes cast by a voter.
Then in 2010, the Scytl system in use in Washington, D.C. was hacked. As part of an effort to determine the reliability of the devices, the D.C. Board of Elections & Ethics reportedly “encouraged outside parties to hack and find flaws in its new online balloting system.” Answering the challenge, students from the University of Michigan successfully violated the site and programmed it to play the University of Michigan fight song every time a vote was cast.
Why should this alarm Americans who don’t live in those jurisdictions? Chiefly because during the midterm elections in November 2010, Scytl was contracted by 14 states to “modernize” their voting apparatuses.
Scytl is set to deploy its software in 900 U.S. jurisdictions. The firm already handles the balloting for members of the U.S. military and their families living overseas.
During that election cycle (midterm 2010) the following states used Scytl’s technology in tabulating votes: New York, Texas, Washington, California, Florida, Alabama, Missouri, Indiana, Kansas, Mississippi, New Mexico, Nebraska, West Virginia, and Washington, D.C.
Furthermore, Voter Action, an election integrity advocacy group, filed a complaint with the U.S. Election Assistance Commission in April 2010 alleging that the use of Scytl’s systems in the voting process “raises national security concerns.”
“Foreign governments may also seek to undermine the national security interests of the United States, either directly or through other organizations,” the complaint claimed.
In support of this last assertion, the complaint reveals that Scytl was formed in 2001 as the result of work done by a research group at the Universitat Autonoma de Barcelona, work which was financed in large part by the Spanish government’s Ministry of Science and Technology.
Such associations are certainly worth examining very closely before control of our elections is handed over to Scytl. Especially in light of Scytl’s practice of downloading the votes from each precinct where its devices are in use to a company-owned server where they will be stored. Once the votes are collected, counted, and collated by Scytl and saved on its own proprietary servers, it would be nearly impossible to track any discrepancies between the numbers it reports and the actually vote tallies as taken at the local polling places.
Finally, although it certainly doesn’t crow about its strong ties to George Soros and international socialism, Scytl boldly declares that its services “power 90% of binding elections....”
The list of its current “partners” is enough to give pause to citizens in these states and justify a demand that local election boards disclose how much control over the voting process they’ve surrendered to Scytl.
The following states are listed as current customers on the Scytl website:
Alaska
Arkansas
Kentucky
North Carolina
Arizona
Mississippi
Virginia
West Virginia
Florida
Alabama
New York
and the city of Washington, D.C.
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Location: sunny california | personally i think she can and she will. I also think Obama knows it as he really did not seem like he was in a hurry to try and get Scalia replaced. Just let Hillary stack that deck after she steals the nomination from Berny and then steels the race from Trump. |
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| Obama's not worried about replacing Scalia bc he probably made a deal with the devil herself. His glowing endorsement and he gets the supreme court appointment |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | iloveequine40 - 2016-08-01 12:50 PM Obama's not worried about replacing Scalia bc he probably made a deal with the devil herself. His glowing endorsement and he gets the supreme court appointment
The SCOTUS has become a political platform and is no longer playing the rules they are suppose to so I think it's a good time to get rid of them. |
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Location: Florida | If you remember you said the same thing about Obama. The only rigged election we have had is when the Florida Secretary of State gave the election to Bush even though Gore won the popular vote and the majority of Florida's vote. If Trump loses he loses. There is no conspirisy to end our democracy, just people who may not agree with you. |
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| kwanatha - 2016-08-01 12:05 PM
personally i think she can and she will. I also think Obama knows it as he really did not seem like he was in a hurry to try and get Scalia replaced. Just let Hillary stack that deck after she steals the nomination from Berny and then steels the race from Trump.
Now you really need to stop right there and put the credit where credit is due, it is the Republican controlled Senate who will not bring a perfectly acceptable, to both parties nominee, who has been waiting for a hearing longer than any other Supreme Court nominee, up for a vote. Remember, you can have your own opinions, but not your own facts. Republicans are waiting for the election results in case Trump wins and nominates partisan judges, but if Hillary wins, then are going to try to jam Merrick Garland through in the Lame Duck.
It always surprises me how uneducated Americans are on their own political process and apparently just refer to conspiracy websites for their news. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Vickie - 2016-08-01 5:52 PM
If you remember you said the same thing about Obama. The only rigged election we have had is when the Florida Secretary of State gave the election to Bush even though Gore won the popular vote and the majority of Florida's vote. If Trump loses he loses. There is no conspirisy to end our democracy, just people who may not agree with you.
Bush/Cheney won the popular vote in Florida. No need to embellish here sweetheart. |
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Location: sunny california | FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-08-01 5:34 PM kwanatha - 2016-08-01 12:05 PM personally i think she can and she will. I also think Obama knows it as he really did not seem like he was in a hurry to try and get Scalia replaced. Just let Hillary stack that deck after she steals the nomination from Berny and then steels the race from Trump. Now you really need to stop right there and put the credit where credit is due, it is the Republican controlled Senate who will not bring a perfectly acceptable, to both parties nominee, who has been waiting for a hearing longer than any other Supreme Court nominee, up for a vote. Remember, you can have your own opinions, but not your own facts. Republicans are waiting for the election results in case Trump wins and nominates partisan judges, but if Hillary wins, then are going to try to jam Merrick Garland through in the Lame Duck. It always surprises me how uneducated Americans are on their own political process and apparently just refer to conspiracy websites for their news.
It surprises me how uneducated some are to obvious political corruption. Just because something is a conspiracy does not make it false. oh and i never read anything on that. I said it was my opinion. I just never thought obama would be care so little about it.
Many of the so called conspiracys floating around I thought about those possibilities before I read about them. Much of what is happening I figured would happen 8 yrs ago.
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Location: Florida.. | yes she can and already has |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Bibliafarm - 2016-08-01 8:14 PM yes she can and already has
That should be her new slogan. It has a nice ring to it and unlike anything that comes out of her mouth, it's the truth! |
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Location: Pittsburg, Texas 75686 |  If it can be rigged Hillary can get it done. She has a big hit list...... Everyone needs to go see the movie "Hillary's America". If you see that movie and still vote for Hillary then you need to pack up and move to another part of the world. The working people do not need you. Hillary is using our black American families for votes. She won't help them or any other group of poor struggleing families. The movie is true, please go watch it. |
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Location: Pittsburg, Texas 75686 | Hehehe, she loves women..... |
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Location: SW New Mexico | Of course she will rig this election.
She and the left have successfully divided the People already.
A house divided can never stand....
This debacle with the Khans is yet another notch for her.
He has deep ties with the Clinton machine, just like the rest of her cronies. Comey, Jarrett, Kaine, the list goes on and grows............those who dare oppose her, end up dead by suicide, shot in the back of the head, or some other form of accidental death... >:(
We need to be very careful....
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| There is no way they will give Trump the win. Even if Trump prevails in the polls, Obama will never walk away handing it to Trump. I think we can all agree there is a pro muslim/islam movement within our goverment and under no circumstances will they allow anyone to derail the plan. Trump was never supposed to have gotten this far. I can forsee desperate measures happening soon. Very scary times, people. Very. |
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Location: SW New Mexico | RidenFly - 2016-08-03 12:33 PM
There is no way they will give Trump the win. Even if Trump prevails in the polls, Obama will never walk away handing it to Trump. I think we can all agree there is a pro muslim/islam movement within our goverment and under no circumstances will they allow anyone to derail the plan. Trump was never supposed to have gotten this far. I can forsee desperate measures happening soon. Very scary times, people. Very.
Very scary, very corrupt.
After hearing Obama this morning, I'm convinced, the Dictator will make sure Trump will lose.
Trump needs to be careful..
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Location: The Great Northwest | It will be very scary if the Devil 'Hillary' tries to lead America. We know what the Dems have done to American. |
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Location: North Texas | IB1UKNO - 2016-08-02 3:33 PM
Just doing my occasional drop by to see who the pivot man is for you circle jerkers and fear mongers, guess I'm going to have start referring to y'all as 'circle of jerks' instead. Same old gang, sure gets stale!
Sorry to see you are so delusional as to not to cognizant enough to understand historical documents. |
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Location: Florida | They are determined that everyone agrees with them and if things don't go their way it must be a big plot. I don't know how they sleep at night. I hate "make America again" I believe American has been and is still great. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Vickie - 2016-08-02 5:18 PM They are determined that everyone agrees with them and if things don't go their way it must be a big plot. I don't know how they sleep at night. I hate "make America again" I believe American has been and is still great. Michelle dont think America is great. Shes not proud of our country.
Edit to say that I just had to say this because its not about Obomo on this thread its ole Billary/Killary. But all the people that you look up to wants to bring America down even more. And thats just sick.
Edited by Southtxponygirl 2016-08-02 5:55 PM
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Vickie - 2016-08-02 5:18 PM
They are determined that everyone agrees with them and if things don't go their way it must be a big plot. I don't know how they sleep at night. I hate "make America again" I believe American has been and is still great.
Most Americans (roughly 70%) feel we are heading in the wrong direction, the wrong trajectory. Evidently you, and other progressive-liberals like where we are headed. Knowing their ultimate goal of a socialist utopia under the control of an elite liberal intelligentsia, and knowing how Obama has made huge inroads toward the realization of that goal, one can easily see how people of your ilk would be ecstatic.
You can be proud of:
- a doubling of the national debt in less than 8 years, with more to come, such that we will owe $21 trillion when that lop-eared bastard finally leaves.
- a false, misleading statistic regarding unemployment, with a huge percentage of people who have simply given up on seeking employment, and are counted amongst the employed.
-20% of American families without a single member gainfully employed, thus in dire need of taxpayer funded support.
- An unemployment rate for blacks that is twice that of whites.
- A HS graduation rate of about 50% for blacks, compared to 80% for whites.
- Over 70% of black babies are born out of wedlock.....hence, a growing, dependent faction of our society.
- A porous southern border allowing non US citizens free access to government benefits, and the free flow of illegal drugs across the border and whole cities allowing legal refuge for these criminals and people who have broken our laws, while making inroads in allowing these illegals to actually vote in our elections.
-An economic recovery that is the worst in over 60 years, with a pitiful 1.2 % rise in the GDP in the last quarter.
- A healthcare system that is in a state of chaos, destined to collapse, thanks to ObamaCare.....setting the stage for a collective outcry for a complete government takeover (single payer).
- Deep divisions across the country, in countless ways, possibly the worst since the Civil War. Gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, ethnicity, class, etc.... All contributing to the chaos and disharmony.
- Widespread, brazen, corruption in politics, the judiciary, the IRS, and even the media.
- A vast, growing faction of our society enslaved by increasing dependence on a bloated government.
- A Social Security and Medicare system hurtling toward insolvency....paving the way for increasing demands for increased taxes.
- A declining educational system, by design, that currently places us around 30th in world rankings.
Those are just a few achievements on the domestic front. You folks deserve to be proud. "Transformational change" is on a roll, and your juggernaut has gained momentum.
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Location: Florida.. | Vickie - 2016-08-02 6:18 PM They are determined that everyone agrees with them and if things don't go their way it must be a big plot. I don't know how they sleep at night. I hate "make America again" I believe American has been and is still great.
yes its great.. americans getting killed, cops being murdered, blacks crying racism and rioting our streets..islam taking over, terrorists commiting killings,refugees being taking car of over our veterans,,,,,, ok tell me how great again? |
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Location: Florida | Bear - 2016-08-02 8:30 PM Vickie - 2016-08-02 5:18 PM They are determined that everyone agrees with them and if things don't go their way it must be a big plot. I don't know how they sleep at night. I hate "make America again" I believe American has been and is still great. Most Americans (roughly 70% ) feel we are heading in the wrong direction, the wrong trajectory. Evidently you, and other progressive-liberals like where we are headed. Knowing their ultimate goal of a socialist utopia under the control of an elite liberal intelligentsia, and knowing how Obama has made huge inroads toward the realization of that goal, one can easily see how people of your ilk would be ecstatic. You can be proud of: - a doubling of the national debt in less than 8 years, with more to come, such that we will owe $21 trillion when that lop-eared bastard finally leaves. - a false, misleading statistic regarding unemployment, with a huge percentage of people who have simply given up on seeking employment, and are counted amongst the employed. -20% of American families without a single member gainfully employed, thus in dire need of taxpayer funded support. - An unemployment rate for blacks that is twice that of whites. - A HS graduation rate of about 50% for blacks, compared to 80% for whites. - Over 70% of black babies are born out of wedlock.....hence, a growing, dependent faction of our society. - A porous southern border allowing non US citizens free access to government benefits, and the free flow of illegal drugs across the border and whole cities allowing legal refuge for these criminals and people who have broken our laws, while making inroads in allowing these illegals to actually vote in our elections. -An economic recovery that is the worst in over 60 years, with a pitiful 1.2 % rise in the GDP in the last quarter. - A healthcare system that is in a state of chaos, destined to collapse, thanks to ObamaCare.....setting the stage for a collective outcry for a complete government takeover (single payer ). - Deep divisions across the country, in countless ways, possibly the worst since the Civil War. Gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, ethnicity, class, etc.... All contributing to the chaos and disharmony. - Widespread, brazen, corruption in politics, the judiciary, the IRS, and even the media. - A vast, growing faction of our society enslaved by increasing dependence on a bloated government. - A Social Security and Medicare system hurtling toward insolvency....paving the way for increasing demands for increased taxes. - A declining educational system, by design, that currently places us around 30th in world rankings. Those are just a few achievements on the domestic front. You folks deserve to be proud. "Transformational change" is on a roll, and your juggernaut has gained momentum.
I agree, you need to blame the party in charge for these problems.... the Republicans have had control of most of the government for the last 6 years. Are you happy with what they have done/? |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Vickie - 2016-08-02 9:17 PM Bear - 2016-08-02 8:30 PM Vickie - 2016-08-02 5:18 PM They are determined that everyone agrees with them and if things don't go their way it must be a big plot. I don't know how they sleep at night. I hate "make America again" I believe American has been and is still great. Most Americans (roughly 70% ) feel we are heading in the wrong direction, the wrong trajectory. Evidently you, and other progressive-liberals like where we are headed. Knowing their ultimate goal of a socialist utopia under the control of an elite liberal intelligentsia, and knowing how Obama has made huge inroads toward the realization of that goal, one can easily see how people of your ilk would be ecstatic. You can be proud of: - a doubling of the national debt in less than 8 years, with more to come, such that we will owe $21 trillion when that lop-eared bastard finally leaves. - a false, misleading statistic regarding unemployment, with a huge percentage of people who have simply given up on seeking employment, and are counted amongst the employed. -20% of American families without a single member gainfully employed, thus in dire need of taxpayer funded support. - An unemployment rate for blacks that is twice that of whites. - A HS graduation rate of about 50% for blacks, compared to 80% for whites. - Over 70% of black babies are born out of wedlock.....hence, a growing, dependent faction of our society. - A porous southern border allowing non US citizens free access to government benefits, and the free flow of illegal drugs across the border and whole cities allowing legal refuge for these criminals and people who have broken our laws, while making inroads in allowing these illegals to actually vote in our elections. -An economic recovery that is the worst in over 60 years, with a pitiful 1.2 % rise in the GDP in the last quarter. - A healthcare system that is in a state of chaos, destined to collapse, thanks to ObamaCare.....setting the stage for a collective outcry for a complete government takeover (single payer ). - Deep divisions across the country, in countless ways, possibly the worst since the Civil War. Gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, ethnicity, class, etc.... All contributing to the chaos and disharmony. - Widespread, brazen, corruption in politics, the judiciary, the IRS, and even the media. - A vast, growing faction of our society enslaved by increasing dependence on a bloated government. - A Social Security and Medicare system hurtling toward insolvency....paving the way for increasing demands for increased taxes. - A declining educational system, by design, that currently places us around 30th in world rankings. Those are just a few achievements on the domestic front. You folks deserve to be proud. "Transformational change" is on a roll, and your juggernaut has gained momentum.
I'm not happy with any politician in Congress but I really don't like where the liberals are taking us so I would have to say, I hate both parties but hate Dems the most. Trump is making both parties nervous as if he gets in, he will shake up Washington and Washington is way long over due for a good shaking up. I'm tired of all politicians shaking, we the people, down. It's long over due to reverse the charges and beat the worst of them out of the trees and out of office. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Vickie - 2016-08-02 9:17 PM
Bear - 2016-08-02 8:30 PM Vickie - 2016-08-02 5:18 PM They are determined that everyone agrees with them and if things don't go their way it must be a big plot. I don't know how they sleep at night. I hate "make America again" I believe American has been and is still great. Most Americans (roughly 70% ) feel we are heading in the wrong direction, the wrong trajectory. Evidently you, and other progressive-liberals like where we are headed. Knowing their ultimate goal of a socialist utopia under the control of an elite liberal intelligentsia, and knowing how Obama has made huge inroads toward the realization of that goal, one can easily see how people of your ilk would be ecstatic. You can be proud of: - a doubling of the national debt in less than 8 years, with more to come, such that we will owe $21 trillion when that lop-eared bastard finally leaves. - a false, misleading statistic regarding unemployment, with a huge percentage of people who have simply given up on seeking employment, and are counted amongst the employed. -20% of American families without a single member gainfully employed, thus in dire need of taxpayer funded support. - An unemployment rate for blacks that is twice that of whites. - A HS graduation rate of about 50% for blacks, compared to 80% for whites. - Over 70% of black babies are born out of wedlock.....hence, a growing, dependent faction of our society. - A porous southern border allowing non US citizens free access to government benefits, and the free flow of illegal drugs across the border and whole cities allowing legal refuge for these criminals and people who have broken our laws, while making inroads in allowing these illegals to actually vote in our elections. -An economic recovery that is the worst in over 60 years, with a pitiful 1.2 % rise in the GDP in the last quarter. - A healthcare system that is in a state of chaos, destined to collapse, thanks to ObamaCare.....setting the stage for a collective outcry for a complete government takeover (single payer ). - Deep divisions across the country, in countless ways, possibly the worst since the Civil War. Gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, ethnicity, class, etc.... All contributing to the chaos and disharmony. - Widespread, brazen, corruption in politics, the judiciary, the IRS, and even the media. - A vast, growing faction of our society enslaved by increasing dependence on a bloated government. - A Social Security and Medicare system hurtling toward insolvency....paving the way for increasing demands for increased taxes. - A declining educational system, by design, that currently places us around 30th in world rankings. Those are just a few achievements on the domestic front. You folks deserve to be proud. "Transformational change" is on a roll, and your juggernaut has gained momentum.
In 1994, under Clinton, the GOP, under Newt's leadership, the GOP ran on the famous "Contract With America" and took over majority leadership in both houses in a historic landslide. Clinton was smart enough to see the handwriting on the wall, and he tacked toward the center. A few months later, he declared that new legislation crafted by the Republican majority heralded "the end of welfare as we know it" and he announced his support. He also said it was good that welfare would return to its original intent, namely, to give people who have fallen on hard times a second chance, not a way of life.
Arguably this was the height of success for the GOP, but I'm afraid those years marked the Zenith of conservative Republican fiscal policy, and recent years have marked the nadir. Since then, unfortunately, the GOP has morphed into a party that is hardly perceptibly different from the uniformly liberal Democrat party. We actually enjoyed budget surpluses for two years. Of course, we also have to be honest and give much of the credit to a very robust dot com/ tech economy, so money flowed into the fed as a result. Since then, both parties have played a role in the exponential rise of our national debt. 15 years of war in the Middle East have taken a huge toll on our debt, but the election of Obama and his "transformational change" in 2008 marked the beginning of the greatest rise in federal
debt in history by far. Our national debt was around $10 Trillion when Obama took office, and by the time he leaves, it will be more than twice that. The highest deficit under Bush was around $500 billion, in his last year. Obama's lowest deficit will wind up right around that number.
The Democrats lately have been boasting at how Obama has " slashed" the deficit over the last couple years. The first four Obama years saw deficits of $1.5 trillion - $1.1 trillion. In 2014, the deficit was about $500 billion, so they claimed he slashed the deficit. It's not even subtle propaganda to anyone who bothers to take a glance. Obama's lowest deficit is roughly equal to Bush's highest. The GOP landslides in the 2010 and 2014 midterms have failed to reproduce the same successes that were seen in the 90's after the Newt "Contract With America". That's when I realized I'm not a Republican.
Many of us disaffected conservatives are intellectually honest enough to be harshly critical of Republicans, and this has given rise to the strong anti-establishment sentiments.....and Donald Trump.
Here's one difference I have noticed between liberal- progressives and conservatives. We are unafriad to be harshly, openly critical to "one of our own". The progressive lemmings always circle the wagons and blindly support the Democrat nominee in the end. Take a look at our progressive friends here on BHW, for instance. They never ever criticise one of their own progressive leaders. |
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Location: North Texas | FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-08-01 7:34 PM
kwanatha - 2016-08-01 12:05 PM
personally i think she can and she will. I also think Obama knows it as he really did not seem like he was in a hurry to try and get Scalia replaced. Just let Hillary stack that deck after she steals the nomination from Berny and then steels the race from Trump.
Now you really need to stop right there and put the credit where credit is due, it is the Republican controlled Senate who will not bring a perfectly acceptable, to both parties nominee, who has been waiting for a hearing longer than any other Supreme Court nominee, up for a vote. Remember, you can have your own opinions, but not your own facts. Republicans are waiting for the election results in case Trump wins and nominates partisan judges, but if Hillary wins, then are going to try to jam Merrick Garland through in the Lame Duck.
It always surprises me how uneducated Americans are on their own political process and apparently just refer to conspiracy websites for their news.
Speaking of facts, I find your facts lacking 99% of the time. Why won't You or any other DNC Supporter debate Hillary Rodham Clinton's long and lustrous career in public service? |
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Location: North Texas | RidenFly - 2016-08-02 1:33 PM
There is no way they will give Trump the win. Even if Trump prevails in the polls, Obama will never walk away handing it to Trump. I think we can all agree there is a pro muslim/islam movement within our goverment and under no circumstances will they allow anyone to derail the plan. Trump was never supposed to have gotten this far. I can forsee desperate measures happening soon. Very scary times, people. Very.
The time between Nov 2nd, 2016 and Jan. 20th 2017 has an enormous potential to be extremely interesting to say the least in The United States of America. |
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Location: North Texas | Vickie - 2016-08-02 5:18 PM
They are determined that everyone agrees with them and if things don't go their way it must be a big plot. I don't know how they sleep at night. I hate "make America again" I believe American has been and is still great.
Then why oh why was America only great AFTER BHO was nominated for POTUS in 2008 per Michelle Obama's speech "For the first time in my adult life"? |
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Vickie - 2016-08-02 5:18 PM
They are determined that everyone agrees with them and if things don't go their way it must be a big plot. I don't know how they sleep at night. I hate "make America again" I believe American has been and is still great.
Most Americans (roughly 70% ) feel we are heading in the wrong direction, the wrong trajectory. Evidently you, and other progressive-liberals like where we are headed. Knowing their ultimate goal of a socialist utopia under the control of an elite liberal intelligentsia, and knowing how Obama has made huge inroads toward the realization of that goal, one can easily see how people of your ilk would be ecstatic.
You can be proud of:
- a doubling of the national debt in less than 8 years, with more to come, such that we will owe $21 trillion when that lop-eared bastard finally leaves.
- a false, misleading statistic regarding unemployment, with a huge percentage of people who have simply given up on seeking employment, and are counted amongst the employed.
-20% of American families without a single member gainfully employed, thus in dire need of taxpayer funded support.
- An unemployment rate for blacks that is twice that of whites.
- A HS graduation rate of about 50% for blacks, compared to 80% for whites.
- Over 70% of black babies are born out of wedlock.....hence, a growing, dependent faction of our society.
- A porous southern border allowing non US citizens free access to government benefits, and the free flow of illegal drugs across the border and whole cities allowing legal refuge for these criminals and people who have broken our laws, while making inroads in allowing these illegals to actually vote in our elections.
-An economic recovery that is the worst in over 60 years, with a pitiful 1.2 % rise in the GDP in the last quarter.
- A healthcare system that is in a state of chaos, destined to collapse, thanks to ObamaCare.....setting the stage for a collective outcry for a complete government takeover (single payer ).
- Deep divisions across the country, in countless ways, possibly the worst since the Civil War. Gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, ethnicity, class, etc.... All contributing to the chaos and disharmony.
- Widespread, brazen, corruption in politics, the judiciary, the IRS, and even the media.
- A vast, growing faction of our society enslaved by increasing dependence on a bloated government.
- A Social Security and Medicare system hurtling toward insolvency....paving the way for increasing demands for increased taxes.
- A declining educational system, by design, that currently places us around 30th in world rankings.
Those are just a few achievements on the domestic front. You folks deserve to be proud. "Transformational change" is on a roll, and your juggernaut has gained momentum.
The 70% of people who feel America is headed in the wrong direction are apparently not asked why they feel that way, and Conservatives just assume they mean that those people agree with their views. Actually, without asking people polled why they feel that way, that question has no relevance since I am sure Progressives, and many conservatives, are not happy with the the sentiment in America that has sent a man like Donald Trump to become the Republican nominee for President. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | They've felt this way for quite some time now Ms Finney. Trump had nothing to do with this downward trajectory, rather, he is a byproduct of decades of political cronyism and corruption. DC is lousy with it.
It didn't have to be Trump. It could have been someone else who is not a DC insider/establishment type. What many people don't seem to understand is the fact that Trump is parroting the sentiments of many Americans who are sick of the political correctness, the cronyism, the corruption, the lies, the distortions, and the status quo.
For a man who has zero political experience, and very little political savvy, Trump is holding his own amazingly well. The reason why people like Carson and Fiorina appeared on the scene and enjoyed a certain degree of popularity is very similar to the reason for Trump's cutting through 16 opponents like a hot knife through butter.
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Location: United States | Yes I think the election will be rigged. BUT I think the bigger question is how will it be prevented and by whom? What kind of people and where from? Who can we ultimately hold accountable to prevent voter fraud? I'm sad America has gone this direction, and this is exactly why "we need to make America great again!" Election fraud shouldn't even be in the back of our minds! I'm not referring to a little hometown precinct and naughty clerk that cast a vote off a dead man. I'm referring to sabatuge. I hope it can be prevented but I'm telling you, bad times are ahead. And no one is "setting" trump up for an excuse to loose. There is no doubt in my mind that man will win if honestly played through. No doubt.
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Location: sunny california | Bear - 2016-08-03 8:04 AM They've felt this way for quite some time now Ms Finney. Trump had nothing to do with this downward trajectory, rather, he is a byproduct of decades of political cronyism and corruption. DC is lousy with it. It didn't have to be Trump. It could have been someone else who is not a DC insider/establishment type. What many people don't seem to understand is the fact that Trump is parroting the sentiments of many Americans who are sick of the political correctness, the cronyism, the corruption, the lies, the distortions, and the status quo. For a man who has zero political experience, and very little political savvy, Trump is holding his own amazingly well. The reason why people like Carson and Fiorina appeared on the scene and enjoyed a certain degree of popularity is very similar to the reason for Trump's cutting through 16 opponents like a hot knife through butter. Pick any parameter or metric, and you would be hard pressed to find a plurality of satisfaction.
ditto, the fact a man like Trump can come in and hand the GOP their a$$ says alot about the Republican party. The GOP has let its own constituency down. or rather laid them off so they got themselves a minimum wage job and a new party to vote for... The crushing of the middle class has landed the Rebublican party without new voters and the old ones are dying off. I believe they are out and we will not see another Rebublican president.
note to big money: you can only greedily take for so long before your practices get legislated out.
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| Vickie - 2016-08-02 6:18 PM They are determined that everyone agrees with them and if things don't go their way it must be a big plot. I don't know how they sleep at night. I hate "make America again" I believe American has been and is still great.
i beg to differ with you jobs are given away we need job when illegalls can fragantly break the law on national tv we have a problem america caters to everyone but americans
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Location: Florida | Falconone1981 - 2016-08-03 9:08 PM Sounds to me like you get it!!! And your right this is the greatest country on earth and not because of either party!!!!
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Location: North Texas | RidenFly - 2016-08-04 9:45 AM
I think anytime we quit working hard at something and just assume that something will always remain great despite the many outside forces wanting to fundamentally change what we have, then we're only as great as we once were. I get why people don't like Trump. But I also know there would have been a time when Hillary's B.S. would have landed her where she belongs, behind jail. How can you still call this country great when its corrupted to the point that criminals run the show and the media? I respectfully don't understand how anyone can turn a blind eye to that.
In 1787 Ben Franklin (Founding Father) had this conservation:
“Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”
“A Republic, if you can keep it.”
ATTRIBUTION: The response is attributed to BENJAMIN FRANKLIN—at the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, when queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation—in the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention.
There are other quotes as well, but this one is pertinent to this particular discussion.
Question is: Is America ready to keep Her Republic i.e. Freedom?
I for One am!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | RidenFly - 2016-08-04 9:45 AM
I think anytime we quit working hard at something and just assume that something will always remain great despite the many outside forces wanting to fundamentally change what we have, then we're only as great as we once were.
I get why people don't like Trump. But I also know there would have been a time when Hillary's B.S. would have landed her where she belongs, behind jail. How can you still call this country great when its corrupted to the point that criminals run the show and the media? I respectfully don't understand how anyone can turn a blind eye to that.
I love my country always will, but for all the criminals like Hillary its a better country for them because it lets them get away with murder and all their other crap they do so its a great country for them, but heres Trump wanting to put a stop to all the criminals and corrupting going on and hes the bad guy. All the ones turning that blind eye are just like Hillary a crinimal in their own sense. |
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| foundation horse - 2016-08-05 8:13 AM RidenFly - 2016-08-04 9:45 AM
I think anytime we quit working hard at something and just assume that something will always remain great despite the many outside forces wanting to fundamentally change what we have, then we're only as great as we once were.
I get why people don't like Trump. But I also know there would have been a time when Hillary's B.S. would have landed her where she belongs, behind jail. How can you still call this country great when its corrupted to the point that criminals run the show and the media? I respectfully don't understand how anyone can turn a blind eye to that.
In 1787 Ben Franklin (Founding Father ) had this conservation: “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?” “A Republic, if you can keep it.” ATTRIBUTION: The response is attributed to BENJAMIN FRANKLIN—at the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, when queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation—in the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention. There are other quotes as well, but this one is pertinent to this particular discussion. Question is: Is America ready to keep Her Republic i.e. Freedom? I for One am!
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Location: North Texas | RidenFly - 2016-08-04 10:52 AM
foundation horse - 2016-08-05 8:13 AM RidenFly - 2016-08-04 9:45 AM
I think anytime we quit working hard at something and just assume that something will always remain great despite the many outside forces wanting to fundamentally change what we have, then we're only as great as we once were.
I get why people don't like Trump. But I also know there would have been a time when Hillary's B.S. would have landed her where she belongs, behind jail. How can you still call this country great when its corrupted to the point that criminals run the show and the media? I respectfully don't understand how anyone can turn a blind eye to that.
In 1787 Ben Franklin (Founding Father ) had this conservation: “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?” “A Republic, if you can keep it.” ATTRIBUTION: The response is attributed to BENJAMIN FRANKLIN—at the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, when queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation—in the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention. There are other quotes as well, but this one is pertinent to this particular discussion. Question is: Is America ready to keep Her Republic i.e. Freedom? I for One am!
RF, your avatar is much more pertinent to this conservation than you realize! |
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Location: Florida | What crime has Hillary committed? If you are just talking about Bengazi then every person ever in power and every military officer is a criminal. Just because one of your employees is killed by someone doesn't make you a criminal.
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Location: North Texas | Vickie - 2016-08-04 9:03 PM
What crime has Hillary committed? If you are just talking about Bengazi then every person ever in power and every military officer is a criminal. Just because one of your employees is killed by someone doesn't make you a criminal.
The Rose Law Firm in Little Rock Ark. The Whitewater Scandal in Ark. Vince Foster in Washington, D.C. Ron Brown Sec. of Commerce in Europe. And approx. 50 or so other bodies.........................But yet Hillary Rodham Clinton has not committed any crimes?! You are f'in' delusional! As well as being woefully blind to history! |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Vickie - 2016-08-04 9:03 PM
What crime has Hillary committed? If you are just talking about Bengazi then every person ever in power and every military officer is a criminal. Just because one of your employees is killed by someone doesn't make you a criminal.
Is it a crime to lie to the FBI? |
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Location: North Texas | Bear - 2016-08-04 9:58 PM
Vickie - 2016-08-04 9:03 PM
What crime has Hillary committed? If you are just talking about Bengazi then every person ever in power and every military officer is a criminal. Just because one of your employees is killed by someone doesn't make you a criminal.
Is it a crime to lie to the FBI?
Or unethical to lie about lying to The FBI on a National News Interview? |
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Location: North Texas | I believe the term is called 'perjury'. Oh wait! That is under oath! But yet in the court of public opinion, lyin' is frowned or looked down on. So, yes, perjury is still the crime. For the court of public opinion has ruled. |
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| Bear - 2016-08-04 9:58 PM
Vickie - 2016-08-04 9:03 PM
What crime has Hillary committed? If you are just talking about Bengazi then every person ever in power and every military officer is a criminal. Just because one of your employees is killed by someone doesn't make you a criminal.
Is it a crime to lie to the FBI?
Obviously not if your name is Hillary! |
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What crime has Hillary committed? If you are just talking about Bengazi then every person ever in power and every military officer is a criminal. Just because one of your employees is killed by someone doesn't make you a criminal.
I don't know if you are being condescending or serious.
The FBI just found Hillary guilty of extreme carelessness with classified information. The reason people are angry is because she didn't get charged. There are people who did way less and got discharged from the services or are sitting in Leavenworth.
On a prior page, there is a good video of Trey Gowdy asking Comey questions about it.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | We need to preserve liberals and encourage them to speak out. It's very healthy and instructive whenever they explain their reasoning and logic. It's a very useful tool, but very rare when you can actually get them to engage and articulate their reasoning. Normally, about all you get is a snide remark or a hit-and-run. If you mange to get them to engage, nurture them and encourage them to express themselves. Memorialize the event and save it so you can show it to your children and grandchildren. |
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Location: Florida | Bear - 2016-08-05 9:17 AM We need to preserve liberals and encourage them to speak out. It's very healthy and instructive whenever they explain their reasoning and logic. It's a very useful tool, but very rare when you can actually get them to engage and articulate their reasoning. Normally, about all you get is a snide remark or a hit-and-run. If you mange to get them to engage, nurture them and encourage them to express themselves. Memorialize the event and save it so you can show it to your children and grandchildren.
I think "lying to congress" is on oxymoron. Politicians are the biggest liars in the world. |
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Location: North Texas | Vickie - 2016-08-05 9:55 AM
Bear - 2016-08-05 9:17 AM We need to preserve liberals and encourage them to speak out. It's very healthy and instructive whenever they explain their reasoning and logic. It's a very useful tool, but very rare when you can actually get them to engage and articulate their reasoning. Normally, about all you get is a snide remark or a hit-and-run. If you mange to get them to engage, nurture them and encourage them to express themselves. Memorialize the event and save it so you can show it to your children and grandchildren.
I think "lying to congress" is on oxymoron. Politicians are the biggest liars in the world.
However, lying under Oath, whether to Congress or Court is Perjury. Vickie, are you capable of disputing this? |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Bear - 2016-08-05 8:17 AM We need to preserve liberals and encourage them to speak out. It's very healthy and instructive whenever they explain their reasoning and logic. It's a very useful tool, but very rare when you can actually get them to engage and articulate their reasoning. Normally, about all you get is a snide remark or a hit-and-run. If you mange to get them to engage, nurture them and encourage them to express themselves. Memorialize the event and save it so you can show it to your children and grandchildren.
What we probably need to do is acknowledge that everyone has not lived the same life experiences and therefore may have drastically different wants, needs, views, etc and refrain from condescending to them until we have walked in their shoes.
Even when we disagree with others it is possible to do so without demeaning them and calling them names. Respect and common decency just might go a long way towards making a valid point.
I personally am 110% disgusted with both liberals and conservatives and with our government in its entirity. It is all about the money regardless of the party. This coming election brings fear to my heart -- we the working class are obviously screwed regardless of the outcome.
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Location: North Texas | SC Wrangler - 2016-08-05 1:01 PM
Bear - 2016-08-05 8:17 AM We need to preserve liberals and encourage them to speak out. It's very healthy and instructive whenever they explain their reasoning and logic. It's a very useful tool, but very rare when you can actually get them to engage and articulate their reasoning. Normally, about all you get is a snide remark or a hit-and-run. If you mange to get them to engage, nurture them and encourage them to express themselves. Memorialize the event and save it so you can show it to your children and grandchildren.
What we probably need to do is acknowledge that everyone has not lived the same life experiences and therefore may have drastically different wants, needs, views, etc and refrain from condescending to them until we have walked in their shoes.
Even when we disagree with others it is possible to do so without demeaning them and calling them names. Respect and common decency just might go a long way towards making a valid point.
I personally am 110% disgusted with both liberals and conservatives and with our government in its entirity. It is all about the money regardless of the party. This coming election brings fear to my heart -- we the working class are obviously screwed regardless of the outcome.
I agree, but with a 'qualifier', In general Conservatives and Constitutionalists do NOT use inflammatory language in a discussions/debates. But facts and references. The Opposition on the other hand, uses 'feelings' in lieu of sound logical arguments. And when that does work, then the insults and incriminating comments comes out in full force!
Been on the receiving end more 'n once!
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | foundation horse - 2016-08-05 1:04 PM SC Wrangler - 2016-08-05 1:01 PM Bear - 2016-08-05 8:17 AM We need to preserve liberals and encourage them to speak out. It's very healthy and instructive whenever they explain their reasoning and logic. It's a very useful tool, but very rare when you can actually get them to engage and articulate their reasoning. Normally, about all you get is a snide remark or a hit-and-run. If you mange to get them to engage, nurture them and encourage them to express themselves. Memorialize the event and save it so you can show it to your children and grandchildren. What we probably need to do is acknowledge that everyone has not lived the same life experiences and therefore may have drastically different wants, needs, views, etc and refrain from condescending to them until we have walked in their shoes.
Even when we disagree with others it is possible to do so without demeaning them and calling them names. Respect and common decency just might go a long way towards making a valid point.
I personally am 110% disgusted with both liberals and conservatives and with our government in its entirity. It is all about the money regardless of the party. This coming election brings fear to my heart -- we the working class are obviously screwed regardless of the outcome.
I agree, but with a 'qualifier', In general Conservatives and Constitutionalists do NOT use inflammatory language in a discussions/debates. But facts and references. The Op position on the other hand, uses 'feelings' in lieu of sound logical arguments. And when that does work, then the insults and incriminating comments comes out in full force! Been on the receiving end more 'n once!
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Location: North Texas | NJJ - 2016-08-05 1:17 PM
foundation horse - 2016-08-05 1:04 PM SC Wrangler - 2016-08-05 1:01 PM Bear - 2016-08-05 8:17 AM We need to preserve liberals and encourage them to speak out. It's very healthy and instructive whenever they explain their reasoning and logic. It's a very useful tool, but very rare when you can actually get them to engage and articulate their reasoning. Normally, about all you get is a snide remark or a hit-and-run. If you mange to get them to engage, nurture them and encourage them to express themselves. Memorialize the event and save it so you can show it to your children and grandchildren. What we probably need to do is acknowledge that everyone has not lived the same life experiences and therefore may have drastically different wants, needs, views, etc and refrain from condescending to them until we have walked in their shoes.
Even when we disagree with others it is possible to do so without demeaning them and calling them names. Respect and common decency just might go a long way towards making a valid point.
I personally am 110% disgusted with both liberals and conservatives and with our government in its entirity. It is all about the money regardless of the party. This coming election brings fear to my heart -- we the working class are obviously screwed regardless of the outcome.
I agree, but with a 'qualifier', In general Conservatives and Constitutionalists do NOT use inflammatory language in a discussions/debates. But facts and references. The Op position on the other hand, uses 'feelings' in lieu of sound logical arguments. And when that does work, then the insults and incriminating comments comes out in full force! Been on the receiving end more 'n once!
Nothing to do with being friends. How about using critical thinking skills instead of insults, and inflammatory remarks. Tis not MY fault if People drink the 'Kool Aide' and then have a hard tasting the Really Good Stuff! |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | foundation horse - 2016-08-05 1:42 PM NJJ - 2016-08-05 1:17 PM foundation horse - 2016-08-05 1:04 PM SC Wrangler - 2016-08-05 1:01 PM Bear - 2016-08-05 8:17 AM We need to preserve liberals and encourage them to speak out. It's very healthy and instructive whenever they explain their reasoning and logic. It's a very useful tool, but very rare when you can actually get them to engage and articulate their reasoning. Normally, about all you get is a snide remark or a hit-and-run. If you mange to get them to engage, nurture them and encourage them to express themselves. Memorialize the event and save it so you can show it to your children and grandchildren. What we probably need to do is acknowledge that everyone has not lived the same life experiences and therefore may have drastically different wants, needs, views, etc and refrain from condescending to them until we have walked in their shoes.
Even when we disagree with others it is possible to do so without demeaning them and calling them names. Respect and common decency just might go a long way towards making a valid point.
I personally am 110% disgusted with both liberals and conservatives and with our government in its entirity. It is all about the money regardless of the party. This coming election brings fear to my heart -- we the working class are obviously screwed regardless of the outcome.
I agree, but with a 'qualifier', In general Conservatives and Constitutionalists do NOT use inflammatory language in a discussions/debates. But facts and references. The Op position on the other hand, uses 'feelings' in lieu of sound logical arguments. And when that does work, then the insults and incriminating comments comes out in full force! Been on the receiving end more 'n once! Nothing to do with being friends. How about using critical thinking skills instead of insults, and inflammatory remarks. Tis not MY fault if People drink the 'Kool Aide' and then have a hard tasting the Really Good Stuff!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Vickie - 2016-08-05 9:55 AM
Bear - 2016-08-05 9:17 AM We need to preserve liberals and encourage them to speak out. It's very healthy and instructive whenever they explain their reasoning and logic. It's a very useful tool, but very rare when you can actually get them to engage and articulate their reasoning. Normally, about all you get is a snide remark or a hit-and-run. If you mange to get them to engage, nurture them and encourage them to express themselves. Memorialize the event and save it so you can show it to your children and grandchildren.
I think "lying to congress" is on oxymoron. Politicians are the biggest liars in the world.
Thank you, Vickie. You just illustrated my point perfectly.
Keep chiming in. You are very useful. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | I learned a long time ago when I took a philosophy class in high school that people are able to rationalize anything if they want to believe a certain way. It could be called a denial of facts. It also matters where you get your "facts" from. If the facts are lies, there's no way to make a rational discernment of the truth. If I watched the lame stream media I might believe differently too. On second thought, NAWWWWWW. I quit watching the news more than a decade ago because I knew they were lying even then. The education system and TV programs have been systematically brainwashing people for decades. |
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Location: Florida | First off, let me blow your mind, I am a life long registered Republican. I would love to vote for moderate Republicans if any would survive the primaries. Secondly, I get involved in these discussions because I do want to understand you guys. You do express views I do not normally hear and I value your opinions. I do not like the name calling and the disrespect, but it is always interesting. I am a poster child for pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and I have trouble understanding people who don't seem to even try. I am so conservative that the term SO bothers me. But I understand that times change and I want to get along with everyone. Politics must be discussed and debated or we become something other than a democracy. Even if Trump were to win, I would never call him names like I read here. So lets keep talking and let the best woman win LOL.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Saying you are a life long "registered Republican" is like saying "I'm not racist....I have friends who are black." Hillary was once a Republican. The GOP is infested with liberals. That's why I'm not a Republican. On the other hand, at least on the national political scene, there is no such thing as a "conservative Democrat." Not anymore. |
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| Vickie - 2016-08-05 3:34 PM
First off, let me blow your mind, I am a life long registered Republican. I would love to vote for moderate Republicans if any would survive the primaries. Secondly, I get involved in these discussions because I do want to understand you guys. You do express views I do not normally hear and I value your opinions. I do not like the name calling and the disrespect, but it is always interesting. I am a poster child for pulling yourself up by your bootstraps and I have trouble understanding people who don't seem to even try. I am so conservative that the term SO bothers me. But I understand that times change and I want to get along with everyone. Politics must be discussed and debated or we become something other than a democracy. Even if Trump were to win, I would never call him names like I read here. So lets keep talking and let the best woman win LOL.
I'm sorry for not responding to you in the kindest way earlier. We are all allowed to view things in our own ways and that's what makes this country so special |
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Location: Arkansas | Vickie - 2016-08-05 9:55 AM
Bear - 2016-08-05 9:17 AM We need to preserve liberals and encourage them to speak out. It's very healthy and instructive whenever they explain their reasoning and logic. It's a very useful tool, but very rare when you can actually get them to engage and articulate their reasoning. Normally, about all you get is a snide remark or a hit-and-run. If you mange to get them to engage, nurture them and encourage them to express themselves. Memorialize the event and save it so you can show it to your children and grandchildren.
I think "lying to congress" is on oxymoron. Politicians are the biggest liars in the world.
I know I am not overly smart or educated where politics are concerned, but it seems to me you hit the Hillary on the head with that statement about politicians. . . . |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Chandler's Mom - 2016-08-05 6:07 PM
Vickie - 2016-08-05 9:55 AM
Bear - 2016-08-05 9:17 AM We need to preserve liberals and encourage them to speak out. It's very healthy and instructive whenever they explain their reasoning and logic. It's a very useful tool, but very rare when you can actually get them to engage and articulate their reasoning. Normally, about all you get is a snide remark or a hit-and-run. If you mange to get them to engage, nurture them and encourage them to express themselves. Memorialize the event and save it so you can show it to your children and grandchildren.
I think "lying to congress" is on oxymoron. Politicians are the biggest liars in the world.
I know I am not overly smart or educated where politics are concerned, but it seems to me you hit the Hillary on the head with that statement about politicians. . . .
Yes, but.....but.....but.....
She's a woman and she gets a pass because she's going to be the first woman president. You know....that glass ceiling and all. Of all the women we could elect, she's one of whom all women can be proud.
Look how she hitched her wagon on to Bill's train, for example, and turned a blind eye to his numerous dalliances and allegations of sexual assaults. We can only hope our daughters demonstrate that kind of opportunism and tolerance. Alas, it all seems to be working out. |
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| Liberals seem to be incapable of logic once their arguments go south.....just sayin....
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| OregonBR - 2016-08-05 4:05 PM
I learned a long time ago when I took a philosophy class in high school that people are able to rationalize anything if they want to believe a certain way. It could be called a denial of facts. It also matters where you get your "facts" from. If the facts are lies, there's no way to make a rational discernment of the truth. If I watched the lame stream media I might believe differently too. On second thought, NAWWWWWW. I quit watching the news more than a decade ago because I knew they were lying even then. The education system and TV programs have been systematically brainwashing people for decades.
Here is the term you are looking for:
Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses, while giving disproportionately less consideration to alternative possibilities.[Note 1][1] It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. People also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position. Biased search, interpretation and memory have been invoked to explain attitude polarization (when a disagreement becomes more extreme even though the different parties are exposed to the same evidence), belief perseverance (when beliefs persist after the evidence for them is shown to be false), the irrational primacy effect (a greater reliance on information encountered early in a series) and illusory correlation (when people falsely perceive an association between two events or situations).
A series of experiments in the 1960s suggested that people are biased toward confirming their existing beliefs. Later work re-interpreted these results as a tendency to test ideas in a one-sided way, focusing on one possibility and ignoring alternatives. In certain situations, this tendency can bias people's conclusions. Explanations for the observed biases include wishful thinking and the limited human capacity to process information. Another explanation is that people show confirmation bias because they are weighing up the costs of being wrong, rather than investigating in a neutral, scientific way.
Confirmation biases contribute to overconfidence in personal beliefs and can maintain or strengthen beliefs in the face of contrary evidence. Poor decisions due to these biases have been found in political and organizational contexts.[2][3][Note 2]
Personality traits influence and interact with biased search processes.[19] Individuals vary in their abilities to defend their attitudes from external attacks in relation to selective exposure. Selective exposure occurs when individuals search for information that is consistent, rather than inconsistent, with their personal beliefs.[20] An experiment examined the extent to which individuals could refute arguments that contradicted their personal beliefs.[19] People with high confidence levels more readily seek out contradictory information to their personal position to form an argument. Individuals with low confidence levels do not seek out contradictory information and prefer information that supports their personal position. People generate and evaluate evidence in arguments that are biased towards their own beliefs and opinions.[21] Heightened confidence levels decrease preference for information that supports individuals' personal beliefs.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Thank you, Captain Obvious. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Somebody please expain to me why the condesending statements are necessary?? |
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Location: Florida | SC Wrangler - 2016-08-07 1:52 PM Somebody please expain to me why the condesending statements are necessary??
Now that is hitting the nail on the head. I want to know too. |
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| It has actually been foretold;
It's called being a bully!
Change the channel, works for me. |
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Location: North Texas | rodeoveteran - 2016-08-07 12:31 AM
Liberals seem to be incapable of logic once their arguments go south.....just sayin....
Ain't no 'just sayin'' about it. This is a provable fact. Illustrated by the fact that there are very liberals on this board who have the nerve to actually attempt to debate the issues using facts. And when 'they' (the liberals) do, it is seldom a long debate. |
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| Thank you some people think they are Superior!!! But I remember what my Dad always said we come into this world with nothing and you leave this world with nothing except!!!! Your integrity!!!! Far to many people have traded that for fame and so called fortune!!!! |
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Location: Kansas | foundation horse - 2016-08-07 8:49 PM rodeoveteran - 2016-08-07 12:31 AM Liberals seem to be incapable of logic once their arguments go south.....just sayin.... Ain't no 'just sayin'' about it. This is a provable fact. Illustrated by the fact that there are very liberals on this board who have the nerve to actually attempt to debate the issues using facts. And when 'they' (the liberals ) do, it is seldom a long debate.
Yeah, I remember arguing the Jeremiah Wright controversy with my liberal sister (Obama's favorite church for 20 years).....God D....n America, hate filled, black supremist, the list goes on. She said Rev. Wright was just getting old and didn't know what he was saying "You know how it is with old people."
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| Frodo - 2016-08-08 9:06 AM
foundation horse - 2016-08-07 8:49 PM rodeoveteran - 2016-08-07 12:31 AM Liberals seem to be incapable of logic once their arguments go south.....just sayin.... Ain't no 'just sayin'' about it. This is a provable fact. Illustrated by the fact that there are very liberals on this board who have the nerve to actually attempt to debate the issues using facts. And when 'they' (the liberals ) do, it is seldom a long debate.
Well, of course, that explains everything.
Back in the Dark ages....when I was in college, I took a couple of courses in logic and the prof would use the liberal style of argument to illustrate just how illogical they were and to what means they might use to continue to try and win said argument.......I see it almost on a daily basis with not only libs but politicians in general. Obfuscate, change the subject, bring n "facts" that have nothing to do with said subject, talk really loud, talk over opponent etc.
And I see my prof proven right every time I watch political crap. The Clintons are MASTERS at it, so is the present POTUS. Both put me in mind of a used car salesman or TV evangelist and make my skin crawl. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Frodo - 2016-08-08 9:06 AM foundation horse - 2016-08-07 8:49 PM rodeoveteran - 2016-08-07 12:31 AM Liberals seem to be incapable of logic once their arguments go south.....just sayin.... Ain't no 'just sayin'' about it. This is a provable fact. Illustrated by the fact that there are very liberals on this board who have the nerve to actually attempt to debate the issues using facts. And when 'they' (the liberals ) do, it is seldom a long debate.
Well, of course, that explains everything.
And Reverend Wright hates white people but lives in a mansion in a white gated community. LOL I do believe Obama knew Reverend Wright for many years but being his pastor is a stretch. I can't remember seeing any mention of Obama attending any church since the Wright Fiasco.
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Location: North Texas | Falconone1981 - 2016-08-07 9:16 PM
Thank you some people think they are Superior!!! But I remember what my Dad always said we come into this world with nothing and you leave this world with nothing except!!!! Your integrity!!!! Far to many people have traded that for fame and so called fortune!!!!
Now this, I can agree with. From ashes to ashes and dust to dust. Folks are born into this world with nothing and to the best of my knowledge (cause I am still living and have not experienced death) leave this world with nothing. |
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Location: North Texas | Falconone1981 - 2016-08-07 9:16 PM
Thank you some people think they are Superior!!! But I remember what my Dad always said we come into this world with nothing and you leave this world with nothing except!!!! Your integrity!!!! Far to many people have traded that for fame and so called fortune!!!!
From the concept of being superior. It has been my experience that the Elitists aka Liberals really think They are Intellectually Superior to those who are not Liberal. Case in point: I worked for a Lead Man (recently) who publicly stated He voted
for and supported Obama. He repeatedly use the term "I am smarter than them" or You or whoever He was dealing and not getting his way. I personally did not have negative interactions with him, however, from my perspective, He was not nearly as smart as He claimed Himself to be.
I know this is perhaps stereotyping, however, it is near identical to my experiences with countless other Politically Liberal People. So there I illustrated Your Point for You.
Thank you for the opportunity to expand on this subject.
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Location: North Texas | Falconone1981 - 2016-08-07 9:16 PM
Thank you some people think they are Superior!!! But I remember what my Dad always said we come into this world with nothing and you leave this world with nothing except!!!! Your integrity!!!! Far to many people have traded that for fame and so called fortune!!!!
I'll admit, I am sometimes 'slow on the uptake', however in the event your comment was or is directed to or at me........................I will more 'n willing to debate you politically any day or any time! And in the event I am 'superior' for that, then I take full credit for being superior. Cause, historically speaking Liberals are INCAPABLE of debating their point(s) in a positive, overcoming winning manner! |
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| Above statements of 'fact' are friggin hilarious and at the same time extremely sad.
How to argue (debate) with someone who believes the earth is 6,000 years old!?
If there was an intelligent, enlightened, thoughtful response to 'facts', it could be worth the time/effort, but it's not;
Although I do continue to be encouraged that the circle jerk group does not appear to be growing beyond the original gang! But then again, I'm an optimist.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | IB1UKNO - 2016-08-09 9:17 AM Above statements of 'fact' are friggin hilarious and at the same time extremely sad. How to argue (debate) with someone who believes the earth is 6,000 years old!? If there was an intelligent, enlightened, thoughtful response to 'facts', it could be worth the time/effort, but it's not; Although I do continue to be encouraged that the circle jerk group does not appear to be growing beyond the original gang! But then again, I'm an optimist. Channel changed!
LOL....are you trying to say..... same ol'.....same ol' ?  |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | NJJ - 2016-08-09 9:27 AM
IB1UKNO - 2016-08-09 9:17 AM Above statements of 'fact' are friggin hilarious and at the same time extremely sad. How to argue (debate) with someone who believes the earth is 6,000 years old!? If there was an intelligent, enlightened, thoughtful response to 'facts', it could be worth the time/effort, but it's not; Although I do continue to be encouraged that the circle jerk group does not appear to be growing beyond the original gang! But then again, I'm an optimist. Channel changed!
LOL....are you trying to say..... same ol'.....same ol' ?
Smart ass old fart. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Bear - 2016-08-09 2:19 PM NJJ - 2016-08-09 9:27 AM IB1UKNO - 2016-08-09 9:17 AM Above statements of 'fact' are friggin hilarious and at the same time extremely sad. How to argue (debate) with someone who believes the earth is 6,000 years old!? If there was an intelligent, enlightened, thoughtful response to 'facts', it could be worth the time/effort, but it's not; Although I do continue to be encouraged that the circle jerk group does not appear to be growing beyond the original gang! But then again, I'm an optimist. Channel changed! LOL....are you trying to say..... same ol'.....same ol' ? Smart ass old fart.
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Location: Ky | foundation horse - 2016-08-07 8:49 PM rodeoveteran - 2016-08-07 12:31 AM Liberals seem to be incapable of logic once their arguments go south.....just sayin.... Ain't no 'just sayin'' about it. This is a provable fact. Illustrated by the fact that there are very liberals on this board who have the nerve to actually attempt to debate the issues using facts. And when 'they' (the liberals ) do, it is seldom a long debate.
That's right. Why can't the liberals be civil like this?;
"Just another one of the many reasons why not to vote for her. But the main stream media will not cover it and her base will still vote for her just sad. I wish everyone would go watch the movie 13 hours and if you can still vote for this incompetent women than you really need to go find another country to live in."
And this?;
"In addition to 13 hours people need to see the new film "Hillary's America". Anyone who votes for Hillary is just not right in the head " |
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Location: Florida | jd&ez - 2016-08-09 7:09 PM foundation horse - 2016-08-07 8:49 PM rodeoveteran - 2016-08-07 12:31 AM Liberals seem to be incapable of logic once their arguments go south.....just sayin.... Ain't no 'just sayin'' about it. This is a provable fact. Illustrated by the fact that there are very liberals on this board who have the nerve to actually attempt to debate the issues using facts. And when 'they' (the liberals ) do, it is seldom a long debate.
"Just another one of the many reasons why not to vote for her. But the main stream media will not cover it and her base will still vote for her just sad. I wish everyone would go watch the movie 13 hours and if you can still vote for this incompetent women than you really need to go find another country to live in."
And this?;
"In addition to 13 hours people need to see the new film "Hillary's America". Anyone who votes for Hillary is just not right in the head "
Sigh, and none of this is insulting or condensending. I know I won't change some of your minds but I can't help but try. Just a liberal optimist I guess. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Ah yes, those damm conservatives have cornered the market on insults. We really need to learn to appreciate your understanding and magnanimous gestures. You never hurl insults. |
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| jd&ez - 2016-08-09 6:09 PM
foundation horse - 2016-08-07 8:49 PM rodeoveteran - 2016-08-07 12:31 AM Liberals seem to be incapable of logic once their arguments go south.....just sayin.... Ain't no 'just sayin'' about it. This is a provable fact. Illustrated by the fact that there are very liberals on this board who have the nerve to actually attempt to debate the issues using facts. And when 'they' (the liberals ) do, it is seldom a long debate.
"Just another one of the many reasons why not to vote for her. But the main stream media will not cover it and her base will still vote for her just sad. I wish everyone would go watch the movie 13 hours and if you can still vote for this incompetent women than you really need to go find another country to live in." And this?; "In addition to 13 hours people need to see the new film "Hillary's America". Anyone who votes for Hillary is just not right in the head "
Now that's funny coming from you of all people. |
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| Vickie - 2016-08-09 6:49 PM
jd&ez - 2016-08-09 7:09 PM foundation horse - 2016-08-07 8:49 PM rodeoveteran - 2016-08-07 12:31 AM Liberals seem to be incapable of logic once their arguments go south.....just sayin.... Ain't no 'just sayin'' about it. This is a provable fact. Illustrated by the fact that there are very liberals on this board who have the nerve to actually attempt to debate the issues using facts. And when 'they' (the liberals ) do, it is seldom a long debate.
"Just another one of the many reasons why not to vote for her. But the main stream media will not cover it and her base will still vote for her just sad. I wish everyone would go watch the movie 13 hours and if you can still vote for this incompetent women than you really need to go find another country to live in."
And this?;
"In addition to 13 hours people need to see the new film "Hillary's America". Anyone who votes for Hillary is just not right in the head "
And yet Hillary makes the front page of the NewYork Times this morning selling out the USA again and you wonder why people make insulting remark's .... Because she earns them that's why. |
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Can Hillary RIG the election???