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Location: USA | If I run my hand down my geldings lower lumbar/SI area to palpate for soreness, he flinches and gives to it. Hocks were done a few months ago, but this seems to be something that frequently occurs. He was adjusted by the chiro a little over a month ago and has been ridden since then. What are some reasons for low back/SI soreness? Saddle fit is good. He's not ran on hard ground. I have an appointment with the vet this week, but I'm just trying to brainstorm... |
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Defense Attorney for The Horse
Location: Claremore, OK | Stifle soreness. |
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Location: In my own world | Mine had SI issues in conjunction with Kissing Spine. |
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| Kissing spine, get X-rays. Also stifles and hocks. |
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Location: USA | If it was kissing spine, would he be sore all along his back or just his low back/SI? I guess it depends on where the spinal processes are touching? |
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| Dreamingofcans - 2016-07-31 5:37 PM
If it was kissing spine, would he be sore all along his back or just his low back/SI? I guess it depends on where the spinal processes are touching?
My KS horse was sore along his whole back and SI, but he had an advanced case. Some horses only present right over the processes, and their si gets sore from compensating and the muscles starting to tighten up. $100 or less of X-rays will get you a solid picture. |
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| Neck injury will cause SI soreness. Might want to X-ray the neck. |
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Location: USA | classicpotatochip - 2016-07-31 5:56 PM Dreamingofcans - 2016-07-31 5:37 PM If it was kissing spine, would he be sore all along his back or just his low back/SI? I guess it depends on where the spinal processes are touching? My KS horse was sore along his whole back and SI, but he had an advanced case. Some horses only present right over the processes, and their si gets sore from compensating and the muscles starting to tighten up. $100 or less of X-rays will get you a solid picture.
I'll definitely get X-rays, I was just wondering. |
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Location: USA | SKM - 2016-07-31 6:13 PM
Neck injury will cause SI soreness. Might want to X-ray the neck.
Didnt know that! |
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| Dreamingofcans - 2016-07-31 5:16 PM
SKM - 2016-07-31 6:13 PM
Neck injury will cause SI soreness. Might want to X-ray the neck.
Didnt know that!
Yeah. That makes two of us. Search threads started by me in the last 60 days to read all about my adventure. |
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Location: Texas | Kissing spine made both of mine sore in lower back and SI |
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Location: Arizona | In addition to what others have mentioned, I'll add long hind hooves. My older gelding gets sore in the loin/pelvic region if I let his feet get too long. He naturally grows very little heel & lots of toe on his hind hooves. I try to do a clean up rasp job every 2-4 weeks to keep them maintained, and then I don't have the soreness issues. If I let him go 6-8 weeks between trims it throws him out of whack. |
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| I'm gonna throw in EPM. My gelding was always sore there and started moving weird in his stifles. Turned out his back end was super weak, treated for EPM and all better. |
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| Stifle issues can cause lower back pain and as I learned just recently, soreness in the front end as the horse will start to rely on the front end more. At least according to an article I read after a google search.
I was having issues with my horse and after examination, the vet found stifle soreness.
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Location: Montana | This is interesting because I am noticing lower back soreness in my main mare, and was wondering where to start and what it could be. |
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| Any lameness can cause SI soreness (front feet, hocks, stifles..you name it), or even strain from use. Jumping horses tend to get it a lot. That area takes a lot of force everytime a horse engages its hindend. Now add a compensation from a lameness, your weight, and load forces on that area and you are bound to get back problems. |
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Location: California | Kissing spine and then I had one that was just completely out I believe from a fall when roping. Both of them got their SI's injected (the kissing spine got his spine injected too) and  what a difference!! |
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Location: Missouri | I cannot stress enough how a good chiropractor can make a difference. I went through a few different people before I found a chiro that was actually worth it. Another thing to look at would be the muscles surrounding the SI area to see if they're stressed or tense. It took my mare 2 GOOD adjustments and 6 treatments of PEMF therapy to relax the muscles and allow the adjustments to stay in place. Essential oil treatments also helped greatly. As for the cause, I think it was a combination of saddle fit, and a lack of maintenance. Just wanted to give you a few ideas before having to shed out tons of $$$ for injections and other vet bills!!! |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Mine had a broken pelvis :/ have vet do a rectal exam to check for symmetry of the pelvis |
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Location: California | I just had a friend with this issue. Hocks injected 4 months ago. Had another vet visit and ended up with navicular bursa injections and stifle injections. |
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Location: Southern Michigan | IF the vet doesn't find anything else serious, and its just matter of adjustments, I'd also consider massage. A chiropractor can keep putting the bones back in alignment all day, but if the muscles are sore/ tense/ strained/etc., they will keep pulling the bones back out.
My mare gets sore easy in her lower back, so I've been studying to become certified in Equine Sport Massage Therapy. I practice on my fiance, and it's amazing how both of them can go longer without adjustments, and hold the adjustments so much better.
Good Luck! I know how frustrating it is having a sore horse and every bad thought is running through your head. I even had a vet/chiro say to check for Lyme causing the soreness, that was $400 experience to find out she didn't have it. But when you're desperate, you'll do anything for your 4 legged friends. That's why I love having a great vet, farrier, and chiropractor I trust. |
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| You seem to be describing a perfectly normal response to your palpation- there is a major trigger point right on the top of the gluteal that affects the lumbar and SI area- they are supposed to have a reaction when palpated there, if they don't, then you have a problem. There are three things that can occur when palpating this area-
1. A normal "dip" response.
2. An abnormal "drop" (hocks buckling) reaction- (this means there is something wrong, but nothing specific - further eval is needed).
3. No response - which means there is restriction in the lumbo-sacral junction (not good, and prob a result of untreated inflammation in that area).
There are alot of normal responses a horse will consistently show to palpations- you need someone to help you learn the difference between normal responses and abnormal reactions- |
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| Definitely look into stifles and ulcers |
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Location: USA | trickster j - 2016-08-07 1:18 PM You seem to be describing a perfectly normal response to your palpation- there is a major trigger point right on the top of the gluteal that affects the lumbar and SI area- they are supposed to have a reaction when palpated there, if they don't, then you have a problem. There are three things that can occur when palpating this area-
1. A normal "dip" response.
2. An abnormal "drop" (hocks buckling) reaction- (this means there is something wrong, but nothing specific - further eval is needed).
3. No response - which means there is restriction in the lumbo-sacral junction (not good, and prob a result of untreated inflammation in that area).
There are alot of normal responses a horse will consistently show to palpations- you need someone to help you learn the difference between normal responses and abnormal reactions-
What I was describing was actually soreness and not a normal response so I don't need any help in learning the difference between the two.  As of right now it's stifles - I'll let everyone know how it works out. Thanks for all the suggestions!! |
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| Dreamingofcans - 2016-08-08 4:46 AM trickster j - 2016-08-07 1:18 PM You seem to be describing a perfectly normal response to your palpation- there is a major trigger point right on the top of the gluteal that affects the lumbar and SI area- they are supposed to have a reaction when palpated there, if they don't, then you have a problem. There are three things that can occur when palpating this area-
1. A normal "dip" response.
2. An abnormal "drop" (hocks buckling) reaction- (this means there is something wrong, but nothing specific - further eval is needed).
3. No response - which means there is restriction in the lumbo-sacral junction (not good, and prob a result of untreated inflammation in that area).
There are alot of normal responses a horse will consistently show to palpations- you need someone to help you learn the difference between normal responses and abnormal reactions- What I was describing was actually soreness and not a normal response so I don't need any help in learning the difference between the two. As of right now it's stifles - I'll let everyone know how it works out. Thanks for all the suggestions!!
Ok, the way you described it as a flinch sounded like a normal response. I know there is alot of bad information out there regarding trigger points- alot of people have been misinformed about them and what they correlate with. There are better ways to assess stifle soreness than hitting a trigger point on the gluteal- I am sure your vet will know how to do these and you will get it figured out. Good luck! |
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Low back/SI soreness