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Location: Not sure yet | Would one of these owners of above stallion be upset if they were never told a receiving breeder had a set of twins? |
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I could be wrong, but I feel like I've heard that if twins are born then the mare owner would technically owe another stud fee? |
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Location: Mississsippi | Ahhhh..... Yes!
It's a small world & it WILL get out of what you have.
They would NEVER bred anything of yours again.
I'm having twins by DTF next year & they are giving extra time to pay the additional stud fee.
Consider yourself lucky that you are "doubling up" & pay up.
Plus.... it will be worth triple the stud fee.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Wynn - 2016-08-09 2:26 PM Ahhhh..... Plus.... it will be worth triple the stud fee.
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Location: Hill Country of TEXAS!! | Wynn - 2016-08-09 12:26 PM Ahhhh..... Yes! It's a small world & it WILL get out of what you have. They would NEVER bred anything of yours again. I'm having twins by DTF next year & they are giving extra time to pay the additional stud fee. Consider yourself lucky that you are "doubling up" & pay up. Plus.... it will be worth triple the stud fee.
a little off topic but you're purposely letting your mare foal out twins? |
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Wynn - 2016-08-09 12:26 PM Ahhhh..... Yes! It's a small world & it WILL get out of what you have. They would NEVER bred anything of yours again. I'm having twins by DTF next year & they are giving extra time to pay the additional stud fee. Consider yourself lucky that you are "doubling up" & pay up. Plus.... it will be worth triple the stud fee.
a little off topic but you're purposely letting your mare foal out twins?
Same here? Kind of risky.. and at that I wouldn't want to pay another fee until I knew one or both were going to live? |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Why do you WANT twins (assuming you mean in the same mare together). If not and they are ET foals, you do owe a second stud fee or they don't have to allow you to register the second foal.
If they are twins in the same mare I wouldn't be happy about it. They will likely abort at some point. Even if they go to term, is't highly unlikely they will both live and thrive. It's like a 1 in 5465156165135121321032 chance. |
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Location: Not sure yet | I do not have nor want twins. However I do know someone that did and they kept it a secretly. So I was wanting to know if it was wrong to do so.
I thought it was myself. Now I am trying to decide if I should say something to owners of stallion. |
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Location: Not sure yet | Not mine I don't own mares. However I do know someone that does have them and they are a year old and did not tell stallion owner. I am debating on notifying the stallion owner. |
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Location: Kansas | katt - 2016-08-09 2:27 PM Not mine I don't own mares. However I do know someone that does have them and they are a year old and did not tell stallion owner. I am debating on notifying the stallion owner.
How would they be able to register both babies then? |
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Location: Not sure yet | There were together in one mare both survived born 2015. Owned by a breeder selling barrel horse prospects.To me morally way wrong. Trying to decide if I should stay out of it or let stallion owner know. |
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Location: north dakota | As far as I know you can only register one of the twins so the person who didn't notify the stud can't register the other one. For resell value of the second one I would think it wouldn't be worth near as much if you notified the stud owner, paid the stud fee and registered the foal. |
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| ndcowgirl - 2016-08-09 2:35 PM
As far as I know you can only register one of the twins so the person who didn't notify the stud can't register the other one. For resell value of the second one I would think it wouldn't be worth near as much if you notified the stud owner, paid the stud fee and registered the foal.
I agree and if this is right, I wouldn't say anything, I would feel it would be a he said/she said deal and therefore not really any of my business. |
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Location: Mississsippi | When I said triple the stud fee, I was saying the registered DTF would be worth 15,000 to 20,000 vs and unregistered "so you claim" DTF for 2500. |
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Location: Not sure yet | Thanks for everyone's input. Very much appreciated. I detest dishonest,schemers,and rip offs. Most reap what they sew. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | They would only get the breeders certificate on ONE foal. So either one is unregistered, or the stallion owner was notified if both are registered.
I also do not think the same value on a twin is as high as a normal single foal. I cant say this for sure, as twins that survive that long are very rare and I have never even looked at a twin to purchase but I'm not so sure I personally would be all that over a twin. I dont know,,,,,,I would have to really weigh that one out. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | katt - 2016-08-09 4:12 PM Thanks for everyone's input. Very much appreciated. I detest dishonest,schemers,and rip offs. Most reap what they sew.
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| Well we had a set of twins, they are now completely normal, size, conformation, and we are very happy with them. They were born last year. I was by myself and the stud owner came out to help me save them and the mare. It is a very hard thing for the mare to go through. We nearly lost her and the babies. I would never ever want twins again, too many things can go wrong. Ours was a complete surprise as we check and double check the pregnancy. Our babies are registered with no problems. Yes we did pay another stud fee, that is to be expected. It was not buy one get one free !!!
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Location: Kansas | ranlyn1 - 2016-08-09 8:51 PM Well we had a set of twins, they are now completely normal, size, conformation, and we are very happy with them. They were born last year. I was by myself and the stud owner came out to help me save them and the mare. It is a very hard thing for the mare to go through. We nearly lost her and the babies. I would never ever want twins again, too many things can go wrong. Ours was a complete surprise as we check and double check the pregnancy. Our babies are registered with no problems. Yes we did pay another stud fee, that is to be expected. It was not buy one get one free !!!
was that your FDF babies? They sure are beautiful! |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | ranlyn1 - 2016-08-09 6:51 PM
Well we had a set of twins, they are now completely normal, size, conformation, and we are very happy with them. They were born last year. I was by myself and the stud owner came out to help me save them and the mare. It is a very hard thing for the mare to go through. We nearly lost her and the babies. I would never ever want twins again, too many things can go wrong. Ours was a complete surprise as we check and double check the pregnancy. Our babies are registered with no problems. Yes we did pay another stud fee, that is to be expected. It was not buy one get one free !!!
Your case is extremely rare. I'm happy it turned out so well.
To the original OP. To answer your question. The stallion owner would only release one breeders certificate on that breeding. If the mare owner has more than one baby born to one mare from that mating, they would have to notify the stallion owner or have a grade foal. I have no idea how each stallion owner would handle the situation. It's my opinion that having a twin pregnancy in a mare is worse than none at all. It is SO rare for a twin pregnancy to result in even one live foal, let alone two. Most times one dies in utero and the other is aborted along with the dead one. If one survives to term they are often small and need a lot of help to survive outside the womb. IMO you probably should just let things develop without interfering. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | katt - 2016-08-09 3:12 PM Thanks for everyone's input. Very much appreciated. I detest dishonest,schemers,and rip offs. Most reap what they sew.
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | I would say yes the stallion owner would likely (and have a right) to be upset. Personally I think it's morally and ethically wrong. But I don't know all of the parties so I can't exactly judge. Plus, from your perspective it's all hearsay anyhow unless you literally witnessed the birth? Maybe I'm old fashioned but I still believe honesty is the best policy...regardless of whether a financial hit is taken or not in a situation, so if it was my mare I'd never consider not telling the stud owner.
But this situation is different since you are just a third party. And even if it is true and you go on and tell the stallion owner, then what? The other party will likely deny it and you'll be caught in the middle....steer clear IMO.
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Our twins were one in a million, because they are normal and they survived. We had vets ask to just see them, they are that unusual. I will say to wynn the person that has twins on the way, please please please, monitor your horse closely. Only reason I think ours survived is I watched her foal being born on camera, and we were rushing to the barn when the 2nd one started to come. It made a difference being right there. The mare was in shock, it is super hard on them having two. I pray you have good results with your twins.
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | Wynn - 2016-08-09 1:26 PM
Ahhhh..... Yes!
It's a small world & it WILL get out of what you have.
They would NEVER bred anything of yours again.
I'm having twins by DTF next year & they are giving extra time to pay the additional stud fee.
Consider yourself lucky that you are "doubling up" & pay up.
Plus.... it will be worth triple the stud fee.
Why would you let this mare have twins? I had a mare years ago that would get in foal with twins every year. Pinched one off every year. No way I'd want twins or let my mare have twins. |
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Location: Mississsippi | My twins are in 2 different mares.
I was just stating that DTF will let you take a few months to pay a second stud fee if you were lucky enough to get twins. |
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Location: Gainesville, TX | Honestly I just don't think its necessary. If it is a twin, especially born out of the same mare, not ETs, then both of them will be compromised and many end up undersized with health issues. IF they survive and thrive, like everyone else said, only one would potentially have the actual value since the stud owner will only receive the breeder's certificate on one. The other one will be grade and worth way less money. That being said, if the grade one became an awesome performer it could gain some value that way, but it would be based on its own performance, not registration pedigree. Now it might perform BECAUSE of that pedigree but again the main bulk of value would have to come from the performance not the papers. All this said, both twins are unlikely to be great performers, though it is not impossible, just due to the fact that most twins are undersized and have health problems if they survive. All that said, if it was an ET situation the above still applies but both foals would have much greater chance of being performers since each one would be born from a different mare (born singly). I think the big impact of loss of market value plus the potential loss of two performers by risking keeping both foals just doesn't make it necessary to say anything. |
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