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| I had my horse trimmed 3 days ago.. I tried to ride him this morning and he could barely walk out. Needless to say, I hopped off him out in the pasture and walked him back. I've noticed him being sore in the past after a trim but not like this and not still sore after 3 days.. I guess my question is, can waiting too long between trims cause a horse to get this sore? Also wanted to add my other 2 also get sore after a trim, and they aren't ridden much at all. Everyone kinda gimps around a few days after the visit. This time is much worse though. Farrier error or just the ground being so hard and dry lately... I know I need to keep them on a better schedule and I'm currently "shopping" around I'm very frustrated with my current guy because I can't get him to commit to any schedule, the very longest I'd want to go is 8 weeks but I'm lucky if I can get him out 10-11 weeks right now. I've had a talk with him, begged for a schedule etc etc.. what' makes this kinda odd is that he's a long time friend of my hubby and his family so I feel like he kinda rests on that. I told my hubby this morning I'm looking for someone else and he kinda squirmed but I'm absolutely fed up. I'm supposed to rope Saturday but if he's not any better by Friday, I won't go. And is there anything I can do for my horse to ease the pain in the meantime ? |
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Location: Kansas | my horses have never gotten sore after a trim.......unless trimmed too short. |
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Location: California | Do you have a picture of his trim job?
A lot of horses can get really sore if its been a long time between trims. Especially barefoot-most barefoot trimmers suggest every 4-6 weeks-not even 8. If they are going 10-12, out then that could be your problem. The farrier is basically trimming all the way down all at once for a proper trim, instead of gradually taking it down. |
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Location: Saskatchewan | Sounds like your trimmer is cutting them too short, as well as isn't taking excess sole out. I know mine got trimmed once and the guy didn't remove the excess dead sole, I had to paint the sole and jog her down a gravel road to get some of that sole out. (Super redneck, I know, but it was so hard I couldn't get it out with a knife).
Also, if they're out on grass 24/7, maybe find a way to get them off of that grass and on to dry feed for the majority of the day. My horse had ouchy feet after trims until I locked her up with dry feed from about 9am-5pm. |
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| I would look for another farrier. You can see if he could put shoes on if you trust him to do that or try bute and sole toughener. |
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| ccarpe18 - 2016-08-10 10:21 AM
Do you have a picture of his trim job?
A lot of horses can get really sore if its been a long time between trims. Especially barefoot-most barefoot trimmers suggest every 4-6 weeks-not even 8. If they are going 10-12, out then that could be your problem. The farrier is basically trimming all the way down all at once for a proper trim, instead of gradually taking it down.
This is what I think... I've contemplated putting shoes on this particular horse anyway because he does tend to flair out but it's just way too long in between trims. Hearing other people saying their horses aren't sore after a trim just proves my point on this. Feelings may get hurt, feathers ruffled, but business is business and friendships are friendships. No need to mix the two. |
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| QHriderKE - 2016-08-10 10:24 AM
Sounds like your trimmer is cutting them too short, as well as isn't taking excess sole out. I know mine got trimmed once and the guy didn't remove the excess dead sole, I had to paint the sole and jog her down a gravel road to get some of that sole out. (Super redneck, I know, but it was so hard I couldn't get it out with a knife).
Also, if they're out on grass 24/7, maybe find a way to get them off of that grass and on to dry feed for the majority of the day. My horse had ouchy feet after trims until I locked her up with dry feed from about 9am-5pm.
They are pretty much on a dry lot, everything has burned up so there's barely anything out there. I think he's cutting too short. By the time I can get him out they are pretty long and split |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Your horses need to be trimed about every 6 weeks the max, waiting 10 to 11 weeks not good and thats your problem with them being to sore. I get mine trimed about every 5 to 6 weeks. I think if he wont come and trim these horses when they are due you need to move on and find someone else for your horses at least. |
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| Have feet checked by vet.
Have X-rays taken.
Have pics on your phone to show shoer.
Schedule 4-6 wk.
Would bet thin soles, which will show on pics. |
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Location: West Texas | If I am aggressively trying to fix a foot growing/shape issue then they can be sore up to about a week after. If you are doing it for maintenance and have them where you want them, doing every 4 weeks is about right. You can lengthen that out by doing a little rasping in between. Ideally, just rasping every week a little is the best way to do it. 10 weeks on a trim job is way too much time and if you trim them where you want them, they can sure get sore.
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Location: KS | I personally don't thing a horse should be sore after a trim no matter how long you go in between. I want to be able to ride the same day they get trimmed if I choose too. My farrier believes the same, someones trimming to short if your horse is sore.
I also don't think they need trimmed every 6 wks (depending on the horse, if your competing, etc. yes maybe.), im pregnant so haven't been riding so I know mine are a little neglected this summer, but to me it kinda depends on the weather as to how fast their feet are growing, if it stays pretty dry mine don't get trimmed that often. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | If you can't get him some hoof boots to help some, use a clay poltice for them and wrap in diapers and duct tape for a few days. Sounds to me like your farrier is semi lazy and cutting them a tad short thinking he'll get 10-11 weeks out of that trim. I'd give him his walking papers if he cant' commit to a schedule that suits your horses better. |
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| run n rate - 2016-08-10 11:39 AM
If you can't get him some hoof boots to help some, use a clay poltice for them and wrap in diapers and duct tape for a few days. Sounds to me like your farrier is semi lazy and cutting them a tad short thinking he'll get 10-11 weeks out of that trim. I'd give him his walking papers if he cant' commit to a schedule that suits your horses better.
This is exactly what I think too. I pay just the same as all his other clients, we don't get a discount for him being family friend, so to me, there's no excuse for us to be pushed aside continually. .. believe me, there's even been times where I had horses all tied up, cleaned feet and waited 2 hours only for him to no show on us. No call no text... wanted to add, I have my horses caught and feet cleaned ready to go when he comes and all my horses are easy peasy, no nonsense craziness , they are extremely easy to trim. I listen to his horror stories about his other clients horses. So I know the problem isn't with my horses. Where can I get a clay poultice ? TSC ? any particular brand recommended? |
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| When it comes to my horses their needs and feelings come first. I try to be a polite and nice about it but in the end if feelings are hurt I am sorry. Their feelings will get better a lot quicker than my horses feet or anything else. Wish you the best of luck. |
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Location: Stuck in a cubicle having tropical thoughts | A mare I used to own was like this when I kept her barefoot. Always sore and ouchy for a few days after a trim, especially on gravel, concrete or really hard ground. I told my blacksmith and he took less off her and it helped. he kept us on a regular schedule. and it was only her. She had super sensitive skin also so I think part of it was genetics. I had no problem with her being ouchy when she was shod. and I don't remember the other horses being ouchy. I have a different blacksmith now but that is because my previous one is in his 60s and when he broke his leg I had to find another one.
One thing that helped her, right after he trimmed her, I'd put hoof moisturizer on her and do it at least once a day for the first few days after a trim and it seemed to help her get over the ouchiness much faster. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | want2chase3 - 2016-08-11 10:02 AM
run n rate - 2016-08-10 11:39 AM
If you can't get him some hoof boots to help some, use a clay poltice for them and wrap in diapers and duct tape for a few days. Sounds to me like your farrier is semi lazy and cutting them a tad short thinking he'll get 10-11 weeks out of that trim. I'd give him his walking papers if he cant' commit to a schedule that suits your horses better.
This is exactly what I think too. I pay just the same as all his other clients, we don't get a discount for him being family friend, so to me, there's no excuse for us to be pushed aside continually. .. believe me, there's even been times where I had horses all tied up, cleaned feet and waited 2 hours only for him to no show on us. No call no text... wanted to add, I have my horses caught and feet cleaned ready to go when he comes and all my horses are easy peasy, no nonsense craziness , they are extremely easy to trim. I listen to his horror stories about his other clients horses. So I know the problem isn't with my horses. Where can I get a clay poultice ? TSC ? any particular brand recommended?
My big mare gets a tad sore when she is trimmed, she has one foot that is a little "upright" not truly club. She gets a little sore on that one. I use the Ice Tight from TSC, its cheap and its effective. I've also used Numotizine with good results when I had one at the store that had outdated.
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| run n rate - 2016-08-10 1:11 PM
want2chase3 - 2016-08-11 10:02 AM
run n rate - 2016-08-10 11:39 AM
If you can't get him some hoof boots to help some, use a clay poltice for them and wrap in diapers and duct tape for a few days. Sounds to me like your farrier is semi lazy and cutting them a tad short thinking he'll get 10-11 weeks out of that trim. I'd give him his walking papers if he cant' commit to a schedule that suits your horses better.
This is exactly what I think too. I pay just the same as all his other clients, we don't get a discount for him being family friend, so to me, there's no excuse for us to be pushed aside continually. .. believe me, there's even been times where I had horses all tied up, cleaned feet and waited 2 hours only for him to no show on us. No call no text... wanted to add, I have my horses caught and feet cleaned ready to go when he comes and all my horses are easy peasy, no nonsense craziness , they are extremely easy to trim. I listen to his horror stories about his other clients horses. So I know the problem isn't with my horses. Where can I get a clay poultice ? TSC ? any particular brand recommended?
My big mare gets a tad sore when she is trimmed, she has one foot that is a little "upright" not truly club. She gets a little sore on that one. I use the Ice Tight from TSC, its cheap and its effective. I've also used Numotizine with good results when I had one at the store that had outdated.
I actually have a tub of ice tight in my tackroom. So I pack his feet with that and put a diaper on it? I don't have stalls or a barn, just pasture.. should I just leave him tied to the trailer with this on for a while, I can do it daily. He's the biggest clown of a horse. . I can't even keep a fly mask on him turned out.. he let's the others tear it off and then he rips their off. He's also the horse that gathers up all the feed tubs and drops them into the water trough. |
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Location: Canada | Sounds like you need a new (reliable) farrier. If you're begging for his schedule and he won't respond or book something then it's time for a new one. He may be friends with the family but your horses need to be done and if he's busy then you need someone else. He may also not want to come do your horses but does it out of obligation because you're friends so just book with someone else and if you notice a difference after your trims you know what your problem was.
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | Id say to long between.....and time is the best thing for them now..once they grow out they will be fine...and finding a new farrier may be your best bet...:)....m |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | I don't have stalls either, only pasture/dry lot. The poltice actually stays in there quite nicely once it dries. I typically put the poltice in the foot, put the foot down in straw or shavings from the trailer and then wrap with the diaper and some duct tape. It only lasts an hour or so depending on how much they are dinking around but by then the poltice is dry and stays in just fine. |
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Location: Where the buffalo roam | For a quick hardener to get them by until nature kicks in - melt 2 or 3 mothballs in a coffee can (be very, very careful they are flammable) and then hold the foot up and pour the liquid on the sole. Once again - BE VERY CAREFUL - you do not want to get it directly on the frog or let it run onto the hairline as it will burn them. I had a rope horse that would get tender after every shoe job regardless of what we did and this worked for him. The heat forces the blood away from the foot (or something like that) and the mothball liquid hardens like a rock. They melt super easy - we have always just lit some paper in a safe place and that is enough heat to melt them. You have to be fairly quick about it. Now your horse will smell like a cedar chest! |
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Location: wolverton,mn | Turpentine,not paint thinner,turpentine. It's the same ingredient in " magic cushion" by Absorbine. It's just better and been around for a long time. |
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Location: wolverton,mn | If its his soles,the turp will work. If its that the shoer cut into the soft laminae and hoof wall too much,talk to him,ask.
Unless everyone else knows the situation ,it can't be the answer to " get a different shoer"
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Location: wolverton,mn | The turpentine deadens the nerve endings. Don't worry,he will get tougher soles soon and you'll be ok! |
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| I've got a can of relevere (sp) in my tack room as well, it was given to me by a friend who had a navicular horse. The directions on it say to only apply to the bottom of the hoof to toughen it up. I may give it a try on this horse. I'll have to look at the ingredients. The smell is so strong, I keep the can in a big sock. I try and keep their feet moisturized since it's so hot and dry, I flood the water trough a few times a week and I use rainmaker on their hooves about every few days
Thanks for all the replies and I decided I'm hiring a new farrier. |
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Location: wolverton,mn | Southtxponygirl is correct |
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| hotbear03 - 2016-08-10 4:05 PM
If its his soles,the turp will work. If its that the shoer cut into the soft laminae and hoof wall too much,talk to him,ask.
Unless everyone else knows the situation ,it can't be the answer to " get a different shoer"
I don't think he'd tell me if he did to be honest... he was in a big hurry that day he trimmed him, showed up 2 hours late (again) and told me he only had time to do 1 of my horses, I had all 3 scheduled. I picked my horse because I wanted to go rope Tuesday. I saw him walking tender that evening at feed time.. so I put off the roping tried to get on today and it seemed like pure torture for him to step out. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | hotbear03 - 2016-08-10 4:06 PM The turpentine deadens the nerve endings. Don't worry,he will get tougher soles soon and you'll be ok!
All the old timers I know use Turpentine for a hardener...
OP give him time and he will be ok, but if this happen to one of mine I would not even try to ride for at least a week. Glad to hear that you are listening to your horse  |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-08-10 4:39 PM
hotbear03 - 2016-08-10 4:06 PM The turpentine deadens the nerve endings. Don't worry,he will get tougher soles soon and you'll be ok!
All the old timers I know use Turpentine for a hardener...OP give him time and he will be ok, but if this happen to one of mine I would not even try to ride for at least a week. Glad to hear that you are listening to your horse
Thank you... I know he will get better, this isn't the first time he's been sore after a trim.. (same dude) it just use to be the first day after the trim, then he'd be good. If he's not any better come Friday evening, I won't push it. Not worth it to me. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | want2chase3 - 2016-08-10 5:05 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-08-10 4:39 PM hotbear03 - 2016-08-10 4:06 PM The turpentine deadens the nerve endings. Don't worry,he will get tougher soles soon and you'll be ok! All the old timers I know use Turpentine for a hardener...
OP give him time and he will be ok, but if this happen to one of mine I would not even try to ride for at least a week. Glad to hear that you are listening to your horse Thank you... I know he will get better, this isn't the first time he's been sore after a trim.. (same dude ) it just use to be the first day after the trim, then he'd be good. If he's not any better come Friday evening, I won't push it. Not worth it to me.
I know some people would just bute and go run. I have had a few that got sore after trims too back in the day because my farrier that I had no choice of useing back then was just a lazy monkeys butt. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-08-10 5:20 PM
want2chase3 - 2016-08-10 5:05 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-08-10 4:39 PM hotbear03 - 2016-08-10 4:06 PM The turpentine deadens the nerve endings. Don't worry,he will get tougher soles soon and you'll be ok! All the old timers I know use Turpentine for a hardener...
OP give him time and he will be ok, but if this happen to one of mine I would not even try to ride for at least a week. Glad to hear that you are listening to your horse Thank you... I know he will get better, this isn't the first time he's been sore after a trim.. (same dude ) it just use to be the first day after the trim, then he'd be good. If he's not any better come Friday evening, I won't push it. Not worth it to me.
I can't imagine doing that to him, he's all I got! He was hesitating to follow me back into the pasture to ride, I should have known then he was still too sore, he never hesitates on me. |
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Horse is extremely sore after trim