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Location: North of where I want to be | I went with a young lady to look at a very nice however very line bred Skipper W filly yesterday. When I asked if she was 5 panel tested the young lady said " My vet says the 5 panel is useless unless you plan to breed them"
I have dealt with this vet, needless to say I am neither impressed nor surprised.
I am very curious what the breeder/ competitor/ trainer/ vet view points are on this.
I personally see it as being far more valuable than just to breeding purposes. Am I wrong?
I would love to hear your experience and opinions.
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Location: Oklahoma | I used to feel that way, but after testing one of mine that came back with the recessive gene for HERDA, if I ever plan to purchase a colt or filly I will be doing a 5 panel just to be safe. |
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Location: ND | I have no intentions of buying anything that isn't 5 panel clean |
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Location: MD | That is the most absurd menality. Even if you don't plan to breed the horse you may be purchasing could SUFFER from the diseases they test for. |
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Location: North of where I want to be | That is my opinion as well. I was floored to hear this from a vet who deals with so many performance horse coming from these back grounds
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| To me that's a huge red flag to try and detour you from testing because they perhaps KNOW she is positive for something.
I wish Aqha would require testing to register mares they way they've started to for studs. |
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Location: So. California | KRJ1791 - 2016-08-15 4:03 AM I went with a young lady to look at a very nice however very line bred Skipper W filly yesterday. When I asked if she was 5 panel tested the young lady said " My vet says the 5 panel is useless unless you plan to breed them"
I have dealt with this vet, needless to say I am neither impressed nor surprised.
I am very curious what the breeder/ competitor/ trainer/ vet view points are on this.
I personally see it as being far more valuable than just to breeding purposes. Am I wrong?
I would love to hear your experience and opinions.
Since both the mare and stallion were bred to produce the foal, what were their test results? Seems to me if that is their response, they should know the 5 panel results for both Dam and Sire..... 
5 panel testing is part of the decision making, as some of those genes are dominant. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | SaraJean - 2016-08-15 7:03 AM I have no intentions of buying anything that isn't 5 panel clean I am with this. I have tested all my breeding stock and will continue to do so. I also will test anything I buy to ride.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | OhMax - 2016-08-15 8:45 AM
To me that's a huge red flag to try and detour you from testing because they perhaps KNOW she is positive for something.
I wish Aqha would require testing to register mares they way they've started to for studs.
Many of us hope that as well. Since they first came out with testing, I not only tested my stallion way before it was required, I have tested all my mares for the 5 panel disorders. ALL are N/N for all the testable disorders. So ALL I have are N/N foals from my animals and have for the last 2 crops.
I shake my head at the attitude displayed by the vet in the OP's first post. The reason for testing breeding animals is so the end user doesn't get an afflicted animal. If breeders don't have the sense and compassion for the new owner of the horse they raised, then have some compassion for the animal who may live 30 years with a problem that COULD have been prevented. Many people will deny there's a problem and abuse the animal thinking it's a discipline issue instead of a REAL physical issue. But as a competitor or even a hobby rider, they should demand tested animals or do it themselves because it's literally heartbreaking to get stuck with an animal that might have to be euthanized or will need special care all their lives. Some can be managed with diet, some not so much. It's a huge commitment to have one of these animals and could be a drain on your resources as well. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Anniemae - 2016-08-15 9:01 AM
KRJ1791 - 2016-08-15 4:03 AM I went with a young lady to look at a very nice however very line bred Skipper W filly yesterday. When I asked if she was 5 panel tested the young lady said " My vet says the 5 panel is useless unless you plan to breed them"
I have dealt with this vet, needless to say I am neither impressed nor surprised.
I am very curious what the breeder/ competitor/ trainer/ vet view points are on this.
I personally see it as being far more valuable than just to breeding purposes. Am I wrong?
I would love to hear your experience and opinions.
Since both the mare and stallion were bred to produce the foal, what were their test results? Seems to me if that is their response, they should know the 5 panel results for both Dam and Sire..... 5 panel testing is part of the decision making, as some of those genes are dominant.
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| I know a cutting horse trainer that won't buy one without the test because he WANTS the horse to be a herda carrier. He believes it adds elasticity to the horse. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Whiteboy - 2016-08-15 9:49 AM
I know a cutting horse trainer that won't buy one without the test because he WANTS the horse to be a herda carrier. He believes it adds elasticity to the horse.
I've heard that before. It very well may be true. It would make sense since there are so many carriers (one copy of HERDA) that have excelled in the arena. |
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Location: North of where I want to be | I agree with you completely! There is such a bevy of health issues that are being misread as "trainability" issues. Why not give a horse the best start you can? They only have the 5 panel on the sire. The buyer has decided they are having her 5 paneled. |
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Location: North of where I want to be | Bumping for the evening crowd
Solid Foundation I would love to hear your take on this.
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| Can anyone give me an idea how long the 5 panel results take?
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Location: Southeastern Idaho | We just got one back on a mare we are planning to breed. About 2 weeks from the time you send the hair in. A lot depends on your mail. Mail out here is pretty slow. |
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Location: Texas | my first thought is, second hand info from a "he said she said" may have distorted things. Vet very well could have said that, or he could have given our typical long version of the short version answer and thats the conclusion she got from it. So, if I didn't hear the exact phrase from any single person, vet or not, I won't take it to the bank.
I do think its vastly important in breeding animals. I think it's more important in those animals because in testing those horses, you can reduce/eliminate it in your herd. For asymptomatic horses, it's not something I would prophylactically jump to do right off the bat, just being honest and the fact that it's a fairly new thing and sometimes it slips my radar. For a suspicious horse, I would most definitely do it. It's one of those tests that is going to slowly creep into mainstream use, and people are going to have to get used to thinking about and ordering the test. It's always a good idea to test more and more quarter horses so we can be responsible owners and breeders.
It is important in both aspects.. breeding animals especially, because in geldings or spayed mares their genes won't be passed on. But its also very important in performance horses because you invest a lot of time, money, and your heart into an animal only to find out down the road it has a genetic condition that is going to either be a terminal disease, difficult to manage, decreases resale, etc.. |
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| I have studied bloodlines for more years than most of you have been alive. I know what genetic traits are linked to what bloodlines. I have bought two broodmares in the last six months and have not had either tested. I do know that HYPP has been linked to one Wiescamp mare. I am not a fan of Skipper W horses anyway so it is not a problem for me.
I will add that no one knows everything.
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| TEST BEFORE YOU BUY! TEST BEFORE YOU BREED! TEST TEST TEST!!! Don't worry about hurting someones feelings, if they won't let you test the horse SKIP IT AND FIND ANOTHER! |
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Location: MD | J Cunningham - 2016-08-16 9:30 PM Can anyone give me an idea how long the 5 panel results take? Thanks in advance. I sent the hair sample out on last Thursday. They received it yesterday(Tuesday) and the results are pending. I read on the website it takes 2-4 business days. I'm from Maryland and they're in Florida.
Update: I received the results today and they received it yesterday.
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | cheeka77 - 2016-08-16 10:16 PM
TEST BEFORE YOU BUY! TEST BEFORE YOU BREED! TEST TEST TEST!!! Don't worry about hurting someones feelings, if they won't let you test the horse SKIP IT AND FIND ANOTHER!
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | CE's wrapn3 - 2016-08-17 5:38 AM
J Cunningham - 2016-08-16 9:30 PM Can anyone give me an idea how long the 5 panel results take? Thanks in advance. I sent the hair sample out on last Thursday. They received it yesterday(Tuesday) and the results are pending. I read on the website it takes 2-4 business days. I'm from Maryland and they're in Florida.
Update: I received the results today and they received it yesterday.
It depends on where you send the sample. If you are testing a registered APHA or AQHA stallion or mare, you may want to order the test kit from the breed association so they will have the results on file. If you are a breeder, you need to go through the breed association. Because as they tighten up their rules (it is rumored they will also move to phase in the testing of mares in the future) you will have to test again if you didn't go through the breed association. I heard lots of moaning about that from people. AQHA takes from 3 weeks and up from ordering the test kit to getting the results by phone.
The upside to getting the testing from Animal Genetics in Florida is you get the results back quickly. But the breed associations will not recognize the results as official because the sample is not cross checked with the DNA on file. No way to know if the animal tested is the right horse without that.
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Location: in the ozone | I will NEVER buy another horse w/o the 5 Panel testing done & all tests negative. The Type 2 test, using hair, will be available soon too & I would require that also. Not in to breeding, but if I was, would be sure my mare was also negative, and proof on the stud. Not worth the heartache/headache to deal with any of this |
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| Type 2 test is now available :) I tested my mare she she came back N/P2! And shes well bred! |
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5 Panel testing, opinions please