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Location: down south | I'm considering the purchase of a two year old that has been raised in a pasture with minimum training. The seller is firm on her price, which I respect, but said that he will include 90 days of training. My question is ... what do most of you expect the horse to know with 90 days of training? Just curious. |
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Location: Oklahoma | When I put 90 days on my two year olds, they're able to walk, trot, lope on the correct lead, soft stops, back up and ridden out on trail. I don't push them and want them relaxed and happy |
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Location: Somewhere around here | TwistedK - 2016-08-15 2:05 PM
When I put 90 days on my two year olds, they're able to walk, trot, lope on the correct lead, soft stops, back up and ridden out on trail. I don't push them and want them relaxed and happy
Depends on the colt but I agree with this. Some colts you can expect a little more, say starting to lift their shoulders and are able to trot a little out on trail without getting hot, but others who aren't that mentally mature could need a buddy out on trail due to spooking reasons or just not confident enough. I definitely expect them not to be trying to buck me off though, especially if it's consistent riding. |
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Location: Deep South | For me personally, I'd rather be able to take that discount on the price and choose my own trainer. Have you seen colts started by this person? Are you familiar with their work? Are they someone you would choose to send a colt to if you had bought it from someone else and it needed 90 days?
It's a lazy way to do business in my opinion. Why not get the colt riding, then list it for their full asking price? At that point they're able to provide videos. Rather than getting the price of a riding horse upfront, based on the faith of the buyer that they will do a good job starting the horse after the fact. |
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Location: Wasagaming, Manitoba, Canada | speedinhoney - 2016-08-15 2:57 PM I'm considering the purchase of a two year old that has been raised in a pasture with minimum training. The seller is firm on her price, which I respect, but said that he will include 90 days of training. My question is ... what do most of you expect the horse to know with 90 days of training? Just curious.
That would make me a little nervous.. if you like the horse, I'd buy as is unless you are certain of her training.
Training is always horse dependant but it 90 days for the most part I expect the colt to be able stand tied, saddle and handle quietly. They should walk, trot, lope smoothly and nicely. When they lope off they should be able to keep a relaxed easy circle, no rushing or breaking down. They should have a nice stop and be riding outside. They will understand moving their shoulders, hind end etc.
The biggest thing in 90 days is that colt should have learned confidence, respect and good work ethic. That 90 days is the foundation you will deal with the rest of the colts life - you really want to make sure that horse has the best start possible. |
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Location: down south | Thank you all for your input. Now I have an idea of what to expect. Hopefully this filly is a fast learner. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | speedinhoney - 2016-08-15 9:03 PM Thank you all for your input. Now I have an idea of what to expect. Hopefully this filly is a fast learner.
I HATE fillies that are fast learners. Their always looking for a short cut and you have he double hockey sticks of a time fixing something if you let is slide a time or two. |
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Location: Mansfield, Tx | uno-dos-tres! - 2016-08-16 1:58 PM
speedinhoney - 2016-08-15 9:03 PM Thank you all for your input. Now I have an idea of what to expect. Hopefully this filly is a fast learner.
I HATE fillies that are fast learners. Their always looking for a short cut and you have he double hockey sticks of a time fixing something if you let is slide a time or two.
Mare are smart that is for sure... and when you get your hands on a stubborn one... well, it comes down to
who can be the bigger.. WITCH.... LOL
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | RunningOnPaints - 2016-08-16 2:15 PM
uno-dos-tres! - 2016-08-16 1:58 PM
speedinhoney - 2016-08-15 9:03 PM Thank you all for your input. Now I have an idea of what to expect. Hopefully this filly is a fast learner.
I HATE fillies that are fast learners. Their always looking for a short cut and you have he double hockey sticks of a time fixing something if you let is slide a time or two.
Mare are smart that is for sure... and when you get your hands on a stubborn one... well, it comes down to
who can be the bigger.. WITCH.... LOL
I love mares...
Me too. |
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| mares are smart, you dont have to nag them. gelding you have to repeat al lot more and nag them. my opinion. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | If you know for a fact that this person is a hand with horses then I guess it would be ok for them to put the first 90 days on her, but I think I would be looking for another if you dont much about this person, theres not to many that i would trust. |
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Location: Texas | It is my opinion that 90 days training is a whole lot of training for a 2 yr old (all at once). I wouldn't want that for my horse. |
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Location: Oklahoma | tracies - 2016-08-17 11:29 PM
It is my opinion that 90 days training is a whole lot of training for a 2 yr old (all at once). I wouldn't want that for my horse.
It depends on the trainer's idea of 90 days. When I put 90 days on my 2 year olds, I'm riding 5 days a week but mainly out on trail with an older horse for support. I don't do a lot in an arena because I don't want them sour. I expose mine to anything and everything I can think of and it's mostly done at a walk with some trotting. I will ride in an arena maybe once or twice a week but for just short sessions. I keep it to 15-20 minutes. When the horse responds how I want I quit. I'd rather put more short meaningful rides on them at this point than put longer frustrating rides. |
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| A good trainer will have a set routine of teaching individual moves and then start doing sessions with all the moves they are teaching until they have the routine setup to use on a daily basis.
This is an excellent training tape with Becky Amio onboard while training at the Merrill Ranch
The number of moves being taught is what a barrel horse and beginner roper needs to know ... you will not see any nagging or repetition nonsense ... everything in this routine has a purpose and these colts get rode out in huge pastures by themselves ... no spooking because they have gained trust in the trainer that is riding them ...
Do not confuse the turnarounds that keep a horses feet up under themselves with a rollback which should never be taught to a barrel or roping horse ...
Take notes and use this video as your training program .... make a list of everything she has setup the horse to do as a session ... everything has a purpose ...
https://youtu.be/UwgdHnbmQFk
Edited by BARRELHORSE USA 2016-08-19 11:20 AM
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Location: Carpenter, WY | Big difference between 90 days and 90 rides. I think I'd ask how many rides were in the 90 days for a realistic expectation on how far along the colt is |
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Location: Loco,Ok | I get those. Lady by us same thing only 4yr old. Just because they raise them don't make them a horseman. 90 days and dose not handle well. But the horse is gentle,tie up,saddle,no buck setback and such. If your comfortable with the deal that's all that matters. Now I have the second one off the same place only 3 yr old. And a good horse. Wants to be,both horses want to.please. There is a difference in training and teaching. Good hands teach. Every horse is different. Now so much is an assembly line program. Horse been trained to death and taught nothing. It's all pattern. |
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Location: Texas | speedinhoney - 2016-08-15 2:57 PM
I'm considering the purchase of a two year old that has been raised in a pasture with minimum training. The seller is firm on her price, which I respect, but said that he will include 90 days of training. My question is ... what do most of you expect the horse to know with 90 days of training? Just curious.
It varies from horse to horse vastly. Some i can lope barrels by my 15the ride some take months till they can lope barrels or a circle correctly. |
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90 days on a two year old