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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | http://www.ratemyhorsepro.com/horse-owners-sue-kalmbach-contaminated-equine-feed/
Tribute is being sued for lying about ionophore contamination in their supposedly ionophore free facility. Read the article, the evidence is pretty ****ing.
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Location: Always in the Jungle of Ohio | I saw this on FB and I'm hopping mad!!!! I talked the a lady at the Sandusky plant almost 3 yrs ago, at she assured me that there was no way of cross contamination because this plant only made horse feed. So I started feeding it, now this!!! |
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| I read the entire complaint- there are several things that I will request when speaking to a representative from Kalmbach.
1- the paperwork submitted has several places that have a future date on them. Not sure how a legal document can claim that something happened in the future.
2- there is a statement from an inspection that indicate that the system did not document that the system cleaned itself, but then has follow up documentation that indicates that they added programming to do so.
I was told that the product I chose was manufactured in a closed system and the complaint has the products blanked out, this may or may not be relevant and I will further clarify this when I speak to them. |
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| This happened last year. Scary that it's just coming to the surface now. Wow... who and what can you trust anymore. |
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Location: Ohio | Tribute horse feed products have been used by tens of thousands of satisfied customers for more than a decade without any complaints of contamination. We have investigated the allegations in this case and they are without merit. Our flagship Tribute products including Essential K are not and have never been produced in any other manufacturing facilities other than ours in Upper Sandusky, Ohio. In this case, a professor and expert in veterinary toxicology has determined that the horses did not become ill from ionophores. We care deeply for our customers and their animals, and continue to have complete confidence in the quality and safety of our products.
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| Good evening.
My name is Bonnie Brannigan and I'm the VP of Retail Marketing for Kalmbach Feeds/Tribute Equine Nutrition.
I wanted to reach out regarding your recent post about a claim that was filed against us.
It is understandable that you would be wondering about trust.
You should know that this claim is without merit. It is inaccurate and false.
We have an expert report that will discredit the claims.
We are a family-owned company that cares deeply for our customers and their animals, especially horses.
We have fed tens of thousands of horses for over 10 years and have never had a complaint of contamination.
Tribute products are produced in our ionophore-free facility.
If you would be interested in seeing first-hand our world class ionophore-free facilities, please schedule a tour with me. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Can you explain the part about the FDA? |
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| Oh man .. What company can you trust anymore :( |
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| Fancy Lass - 2016-08-16 6:56 PM
Oh man .. What company can you trust anymore :(
Not sure you can. Quality issues and consistency issues in a variety of brands led me to feed oats and quality hay with any needed high quality supplements. |
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| Don't be fooled. This is a NEW, ACTIVE lawsuit, it can be looked up on the Cuyahoga County Common Pleas court docket.
http://cpdocket.cp.cuyahogacounty.us/CV_CaseInformation_Summary.asp... |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | OhMax - 2016-08-16 9:07 PM Fancy Lass - 2016-08-16 6:56 PM Oh man .. What company can you trust anymore :( Not sure you can. Quality issues and consistency issues in a variety of brands led me to feed oats and quality hay with any needed high quality supplements.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-08-16 9:35 PM
OhMax - 2016-08-16 9:07 PM Fancy Lass - 2016-08-16 6:56 PM Oh man .. What company can you trust anymore :( Not sure you can. Quality issues and consistency issues in a variety of brands led me to feed oats and quality hay with any needed high quality supplements.
Glad you have Blue Bonnet but we don't up here. ??
This was supposed to be our lot solution.
I will be following up since I have had issues with something and if feed contamination was the cause it will not be pretty. I have spoke with the company in the past regarding this very issue and was assured that it would be ionosphere free.
They have addressed this issue on the thread, so until tomorrow's phone call |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Tmain - 2016-08-16 10:10 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-08-16 9:35 PM OhMax - 2016-08-16 9:07 PM Fancy Lass - 2016-08-16 6:56 PM Oh man .. What company can you trust anymore :( Not sure you can. Quality issues and consistency issues in a variety of brands led me to feed oats and quality hay with any needed high quality supplements. Glad you have Blue Bonnet but we don't up here. ?? This was supposed to be our lot solution. I will be following up since I have had issues with something and if feed contamination was the cause it will not be pretty. I have spoke with the company in the past regarding this very issue and was assured that it would be ionosphere free. They have addressed this issue on the thread, so until tomorrow's phone call
What state are you in? its to bad that theres not a Blue Bonnet dealer near you, I would be checking my feed store and ask them to be a dealer for Blue Bonnet feeds.
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| I hope this is not true but saw and read it earlier. I am really disappointed if this is the case I got several people started on it and it is not in any feed stores here we have to order it in. My orphan foal was doing so well on the foal foundation and I planned to move her to the growth. Look forward to hearing more |
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Location: Always in the Jungle of Ohio | If this happened late yr. why did none of us hear about it! I'm furious that happened at all. I and a lot of you have continued to feed this feed not know the dangers!!!  I have emails stating that they only produce horse feeds at this plant. |
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Location: Oklahoma | I've gone back to the basics. I ONLY feed alfalfa pellets, Adeptus Augment (vitamin/organic trace minerals) and free choice bermuda hay. I do not trust any complete feeds and although I've fed Bluebonnet in the past, it's not worth putting my horse at risk. |
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Location: Windoming | wow, settle down people. Just because someone started a lawsuit doesn't mean it's true! There are a lot of people who will sue at the drop of a hat. Why do people assume that the person who sues is honest, and the company is not? I don't feed this product, and I don't know the person suing, it's just my opinion. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I posted it because people need to be aware of what's going on and get answers. ADM last year denied denied denied, but I am 100% positive they screwed up and will never feed their products again because of the way they handled it. I don't think this case has been proven without a doubt, but the FDA issue raises my suspicions, and the plaintiff claims to have independent lab results showing a problem. I will be watching to see how it plays out.
I will tell you that a company rep claiming there is no issue isn't going to play for me--I want proof there is no issue. Too many people have been caught lying about this stuff for me to take someone's word. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Three 4 Luck - 2016-08-17 10:56 AM I posted it because people need to be aware of what's going on and get answers. ADM last year denied denied denied, but I am 100% positive they screwed up and will never feed their products again because of the way they handled it. I don't think this case has been proven without a doubt, but the FDA issue raises my suspicions, and the plaintiff claims to have independent lab results showing a problem. I will be watching to see how it plays out.
I will tell you that a company rep claiming there is no issue isn't going to play for me--I want proof there is no issue. Too many people have been caught lying about this stuff for me to take someone's word.
I know this is a repeat - but just like last year when ADM said I didn't have a problem and I do have independent test results from Auburn University's lab showing I did have a problem. My horses were posioned, and I received phone calls from the head of QC at ADM telling me basically that it didn't matter to them that it was in there, the FDA has no regulations in place for horse feed on this issue.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2016-08-17 9:56 AM I posted it because people need to be aware of what's going on and get answers. ADM last year denied denied denied, but I am 100% positive they screwed up and will never feed their products again because of the way they handled it. I don't think this case has been proven without a doubt, but the FDA issue raises my suspicions, and the plaintiff claims to have independent lab results showing a problem. I will be watching to see how it plays out.
I will tell you that a company rep claiming there is no issue isn't going to play for me--I want proof there is no issue. Too many people have been caught lying about this stuff for me to take someone's word.
Its just so sad that new people to horses are so unaware of the dangers to feeding feeds that they think are safe, its good I think to wake up people to what can be dangerous, sometimes we just get so relax and trusting and forget untill its to late. Thats why I feel so good about using BlueBonnet, my feed store keeps up with what they are doing, if I have a question and my feed store cant answer it for me we call Bluebonnet and talk to them I can count on getting a honest answer from them. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Regardless of if the claims are true why would someone sue if they had no evidence?
I wouldn't spend money on a lawsuit unless I had evidence and knew for a fact the evidence would hold up when tested.
Sorry, but I will only feed Bluebonnet feeds. It's a shame Bluebonnet is hard for people to get a hold of in all states.
Tribute may have satisfied customers and that's great but so does Safechoice and we all know how UNSAFE SAFEchoice really is. The people who are satisfied are the ones who are highly uninformed as to how dangerous this additive can be to our horses.
Sometimes the people who are not informed are the feed mills themselves. A company may say they are ionophore free but unless they own and manage the mill their feed is produced in they really have no idea. Most mills tell companies they are free and they are really not. So the company believes they are free until something like this happens and the truth comes out to both the cutomer and the company. The customer sues the company and then the company later sues the mill. Happens a lot.
Does tribute own ALL the mills their feed is produced in? Because if they don't I doubt they really know what's going on in the mills. Can't be there 24/7 to manage something you don't own.....
Just my two cents.
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so,i have the FDA file that states the bins are Not flushed or washed between batches.....Mr.FRED COUTINHO,the quality and safety manager answers like this...............The actions we have taken to improve our processes related to the observations that were documented on FORM483 by FDA investigators on April 15th 2016.
in april of 2015 we found the auto flushing at the end of medicated feeds was not being recorded in our electronic batching records.We immediatly investigated the issues and worked withthe supplier of the automated system to make changes to ensure the auto flushwas working properly and being reported in the electronic batch records.The final portion of the changes were completed during the week of may 18th 2015 when the technitionfrom the automation system company was onsite toimplement and validate the changes.
In order to improve effectiveness of the air blow offbetween batches in the hand add hopper we have thouroughly cleaned the hopper to remove all buildup and prevent thepotential of any residue hanging up on the walls of the hopper between batches.Furthermore we have implemented a periodic inspection and cleaning procedureto monitor and maitainand document the cleanliness of the hopper.
In addition to cleaning and flushing we will continue to use sequencing of feeds through the rest of ourprocess according to ourinternal sequencing of feeds through the rest of our process according to ourinternal sequencingchart that has been developed using the feed additive compendium to ensure feed safety. |
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Location: Beggs, OK | Every feed company seems to claim that they feed "thousands" of horses and every claim against them is unfounded. Yet we have dead horses, sick horses, devastated owners, and unexplained positive feed tests. |
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Location: OH. IO | jake16 - 2016-08-17 11:36 AM
so,i have the FDA file that states the bins are Not flushed or washed between batches.....Mr.FRED COUTINHO,the quality and safety manager answers like this...............The actions we have taken to improve our processes related to the observations that were documented on FORM483 by FDA investigators on April 15th 2016.
in april of 2015 we found the auto flushing at the end of medicated feeds was not being recorded in our electronic batching records.We immediatly investigated the issues and worked withthe supplier of the automated system to make changes to ensure the auto flushwas working properly and being reported in the electronic batch records.The final portion of the changes were completed during the week of may 18th 2015 when the technitionfrom the automation system company was onsite toimplement and validate the changes.
In order to improve effectiveness of the air blow offbetween batches in the hand add hopper we have thouroughly cleaned the hopper to remove all buildup and prevent thepotential of any residue hanging up on the walls of the hopper between batches.Furthermore we have implemented a periodic inspection and cleaning procedureto monitor and maitainand document the cleanliness of the hopper.
In addition to cleaning and flushing we will continue to use sequencing of feeds through the rest of ourprocess according to ourinternal sequencing of feeds through the rest of our process according to ourinternal sequencingchart that has been developed using the feed additive compendium to ensure feed safety. Now,in addition to what the stated above i am beyond ****ed off!!!!! Im trying to find the post that they came on here and stated they only made horse feed at this particular facility. The answer to the FDA reports prove they are NOT TELLING THE TRUTH.Come on back here ladies we want some answers!!!!! Today I am calling all three of the feed mills in my area. Im also sending samples to be tested so if anyone on here can give me a place to safely send them to i will be grateful. I also read in the court record that tribute kept the samples of hay and feed they took from the farm in their custody only,it goes on and on.
To the folks on here i recomended this feed to..... All i can say is im sorry,and i hope they are held accountable for all they have lied about.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | jake16 - 2016-08-17 10:36 AM
so,i have the FDA file that states the bins are Not flushed or washed between batches.....Mr.FRED COUTINHO,the quality and safety manager answers like this...............The actions we have taken to improve our processes related to the observations that were documented on FORM483 by FDA investigators on April 15th 2016.
in april of 2015 we found the auto flushing at the end of medicated feeds was not being recorded in our electronic batching records.We immediatly investigated the issues and worked withthe supplier of the automated system to make changes to ensure the auto flushwas working properly and being reported in the electronic batch records.The final portion of the changes were completed during the week of may 18th 2015 when the technitionfrom the automation system company was onsite toimplement and validate the changes.
In order to improve effectiveness of the air blow offbetween batches in the hand add hopper we have thouroughly cleaned the hopper to remove all buildup and prevent thepotential of any residue hanging up on the walls of the hopper between batches.Furthermore we have implemented a periodic inspection and cleaning procedureto monitor and maitainand document the cleanliness of the hopper.
In addition to cleaning and flushing we will continue to use sequencing of feeds through the rest of ourprocess according to ourinternal sequencing of feeds through the rest of our process according to ourinternal sequencingchart that has been developed using the feed additive compendium to ensure feed safety.
So what happens when someone gets lazy and doesn't clean them as thoroughly as this ONE time they documented???
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Location: OH. IO | IRunOnFaith - 2016-08-17 11:42 AM jake16 - 2016-08-17 10:36 AM
so,i have the FDA file that states the bins are Not flushed or washed between batches.....Mr.FRED COUTINHO,the quality and safety manager answers like this...............The actions we have taken to improve our processes related to the observations that were documented on FORM483 by FDA investigators on April 15th 2016.
in april of 2015 we found the auto flushing at the end of medicated feeds was not being recorded in our electronic batching records.We immediatly investigated the issues and worked withthe supplier of the automated system to make changes to ensure the auto flushwas working properly and being reported in the electronic batch records.The final portion of the changes were completed during the week of may 18th 2015 when the technitionfrom the automation system company was onsite toimplement and validate the changes.
In order to improve effectiveness of the air blow offbetween batches in the hand add hopper we have thouroughly cleaned the hopper to remove all buildup and prevent thepotential of any residue hanging up on the walls of the hopper between batches.Furthermore we have implemented a periodic inspection and cleaning procedureto monitor and maitainand document the cleanliness of the hopper.
In addition to cleaning and flushing we will continue to use sequencing of feeds through the rest of ourprocess according to ourinternal sequencing of feeds through the rest of our process according to ourinternal sequencingchart that has been developed using the feed additive compendium to ensure feed safety. So what happens when someone gets lazy and doesn't clean them as thoroughly as this ONE time they documented???
You get a sick or dead horse. And a lawsuit......
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | jake16 - 2016-08-17 10:45 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-08-17 11:42 AM jake16 - 2016-08-17 10:36 AM
so,i have the FDA file that states the bins are Not flushed or washed between batches.....Mr.FRED COUTINHO,the quality and safety manager answers like this...............The actions we have taken to improve our processes related to the observations that were documented on FORM483 by FDA investigators on April 15th 2016.
in april of 2015 we found the auto flushing at the end of medicated feeds was not being recorded in our electronic batching records.We immediatly investigated the issues and worked withthe supplier of the automated system to make changes to ensure the auto flushwas working properly and being reported in the electronic batch records.The final portion of the changes were completed during the week of may 18th 2015 when the technitionfrom the automation system company was onsite toimplement and validate the changes.
In order to improve effectiveness of the air blow offbetween batches in the hand add hopper we have thouroughly cleaned the hopper to remove all buildup and prevent thepotential of any residue hanging up on the walls of the hopper between batches.Furthermore we have implemented a periodic inspection and cleaning procedureto monitor and maitainand document the cleanliness of the hopper.
In addition to cleaning and flushing we will continue to use sequencing of feeds through the rest of ourprocess according to ourinternal sequencing of feeds through the rest of our process according to ourinternal sequencingchart that has been developed using the feed additive compendium to ensure feed safety. So what happens when someone gets lazy and doesn't clean them as thoroughly as this ONE time they documented???
You get a sick or dead horse. And a lawsuit......
Hope your horses stay safe jake16.
Search the forums for rachellynn89 and it should pull up the original feed posts that everyone was posting safe feed too. I bet you'll find their remarks in one of her original posts.
ETA: Someone posted a few options for getting feed tested too that were a third party and wouldn't cover what they found, if anything. If I were you I would have every bag I owned tested. Some bags may not have it and some may have it. Just the luck of the batches you get...
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| IRunOnFaith - 2016-08-17 10:36 AM
Regardless of if the claims are true why would someone sue if they had no evidence?
I wouldn't spend money on a lawsuit unless I had evidence and knew for a fact the evidence would hold up when tested.
Sorry, but I will only feed Bluebonnet feeds. It's a shame Bluebonnet is hard for people to get a hold of in all states.
Tribute may have satisfied customers and that's great but so does Safechoice and we all know how UNSAFE SAFEchoice really is. The people who are satisfied are the ones who are highly uninformed as to how dangerous this additive can be to our horses.
Sometimes the people who are not informed are the feed mills themselves. A company may say they are ionophore free but unless they own and manage the mill their feed is produced in they really have no idea. Most mills tell companies they are free and they are really not. So the company believes they are free until something like this happens and the truth comes out to both the cutomer and the company. The customer sues the company and then the company later sues the mill. Happens a lot.
Does tribute own ALL the mills their feed is produced in? Because if they don't I doubt they really know what's going on in the mills. Can't be there 24/7 to manage something you don't own.....
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Location: OH. IO | IRunOnFaith - 2016-08-17 11:47 AM jake16 - 2016-08-17 10:45 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-08-17 11:42 AM jake16 - 2016-08-17 10:36 AM
so,i have the FDA file that states the bins are Not flushed or washed between batches.....Mr.FRED COUTINHO,the quality and safety manager answers like this...............The actions we have taken to improve our processes related to the observations that were documented on FORM483 by FDA investigators on April 15th 2016.
in april of 2015 we found the auto flushing at the end of medicated feeds was not being recorded in our electronic batching records.We immediatly investigated the issues and worked withthe supplier of the automated system to make changes to ensure the auto flushwas working properly and being reported in the electronic batch records.The final portion of the changes were completed during the week of may 18th 2015 when the technitionfrom the automation system company was onsite toimplement and validate the changes.
In order to improve effectiveness of the air blow offbetween batches in the hand add hopper we have thouroughly cleaned the hopper to remove all buildup and prevent thepotential of any residue hanging up on the walls of the hopper between batches.Furthermore we have implemented a periodic inspection and cleaning procedureto monitor and maitainand document the cleanliness of the hopper.
In addition to cleaning and flushing we will continue to use sequencing of feeds through the rest of ourprocess according to ourinternal sequencing of feeds through the rest of our process according to ourinternal sequencingchart that has been developed using the feed additive compendium to ensure feed safety. So what happens when someone gets lazy and doesn't clean them as thoroughly as this ONE time they documented???
You get a sick or dead horse. And a lawsuit......
Hope your horses stay safe jake16.
Search the forums for rachellynn89 and it should pull up the original feed posts that everyone was posting safe feed too. I bet you'll find their remarks in one of her original posts.
ETA: Someone posted a few options for getting feed tested too that were a third party and wouldn't cover what they found, if anything. If I were you I would have every bag I owned tested. Some bags may not have it and some may have it. Just the luck of the batches you get...
I am searching through those threads now,the problem is it is hard to search if its over a year.but,im confident i will find it. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | When I was having consistency problems with Triple Crown, one of their guys told me he lived close to the one mill and went there all the time to watch over the milling...Yeah...okay..that made me feel better as I still was getting crap feed..LOL |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | jake16 - 2016-08-17 10:51 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-08-17 11:47 AM jake16 - 2016-08-17 10:45 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-08-17 11:42 AM jake16 - 2016-08-17 10:36 AM
so,i have the FDA file that states the bins are Not flushed or washed between batches.....Mr.FRED COUTINHO,the quality and safety manager answers like this...............The actions we have taken to improve our processes related to the observations that were documented on FORM483 by FDA investigators on April 15th 2016.
in april of 2015 we found the auto flushing at the end of medicated feeds was not being recorded in our electronic batching records.We immediatly investigated the issues and worked withthe supplier of the automated system to make changes to ensure the auto flushwas working properly and being reported in the electronic batch records.The final portion of the changes were completed during the week of may 18th 2015 when the technitionfrom the automation system company was onsite toimplement and validate the changes.
In order to improve effectiveness of the air blow offbetween batches in the hand add hopper we have thouroughly cleaned the hopper to remove all buildup and prevent thepotential of any residue hanging up on the walls of the hopper between batches.Furthermore we have implemented a periodic inspection and cleaning procedureto monitor and maitainand document the cleanliness of the hopper.
In addition to cleaning and flushing we will continue to use sequencing of feeds through the rest of ourprocess according to ourinternal sequencing of feeds through the rest of our process according to ourinternal sequencingchart that has been developed using the feed additive compendium to ensure feed safety. So what happens when someone gets lazy and doesn't clean them as thoroughly as this ONE time they documented???
You get a sick or dead horse. And a lawsuit......
Hope your horses stay safe jake16.
Search the forums for rachellynn89 and it should pull up the original feed posts that everyone was posting safe feed too. I bet you'll find their remarks in one of her original posts.
ETA: Someone posted a few options for getting feed tested too that were a third party and wouldn't cover what they found, if anything. If I were you I would have every bag I owned tested. Some bags may not have it and some may have it. Just the luck of the batches you get...
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Location: Always in the Jungle of Ohio | Oh Jake16 I'm so glad you are on it, I'm scared to death for my horses and everyone else's. After the last scare with the ADM feed I researched to find what I thought was the best choice in our area. Totally lied to... I was assured over and over that this plant was safe. I've told my vet last yr that my horse rides like he has been drugged or poisoned, but I never got him tested at that time. Horrified now... Yes, if anyone know where to have feed tested please post it. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | TwistedK - 2016-08-17 8:26 AM I've gone back to the basics. I ONLY feed alfalfa pellets, Adeptus Augment (vitamin/organic trace minerals) and free choice bermuda hay. I do not trust any complete feeds and although I've fed Bluebonnet in the past, it's not worth putting my horse at risk.
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Location: Oklahoma | Nevertooold - 2016-08-17 11:21 AM
TwistedK - 2016-08-17 8:26 AM I've gone back to the basics. I ONLY feed alfalfa pellets, Adeptus Augment (vitamin/organic trace minerals) and free choice bermuda hay. I do not trust any complete feeds and although I've fed Bluebonnet in the past, it's not worth putting my horse at risk.
How do you know if your alfalfa pellets are safe? They are processed.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Nevertooold - 2016-08-17 11:21 AM TwistedK - 2016-08-17 8:26 AM I've gone back to the basics. I ONLY feed alfalfa pellets, Adeptus Augment (vitamin/organic trace minerals) and free choice bermuda hay. I do not trust any complete feeds and although I've fed Bluebonnet in the past, it's not worth putting my horse at risk. How do you know if your alfalfa pellets are safe? They are processed.
I know Standlee alfalfa pellets and cubes are manufactured in facilities they own. They do not produce any medicated feed so there is no risk of contamination when there is nothing being used to contaminate. Standlee can be bought at TSC and most feed stores or you can order online and they can ship to your home.
I emailed them a while back and have done research via trusty Google. LOL
They are good.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | TwistedK - 2016-08-17 11:26 AM Nevertooold - 2016-08-17 11:21 AM TwistedK - 2016-08-17 8:26 AM I've gone back to the basics. I ONLY feed alfalfa pellets, Adeptus Augment (vitamin/organic trace minerals) and free choice bermuda hay. I do not trust any complete feeds and although I've fed Bluebonnet in the past, it's not worth putting my horse at risk. How do you know if your alfalfa pellets are safe? They are processed. I am feeding the Standlee which was safe at least last year when the list of safe feed came out...
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Location: Willows, CA | The answer is Renew Gold. Not just dedicated non medicated production lines. No medicated feeds made at the facility. No outside premixes that that might be contaminated. No medications on the property.
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Location: Always in the Jungle of Ohio | Not the answer if you can't get it in this area. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | winwillows - 2016-08-17 11:33 AM The answer is Renew Gold. Not just dedicated non medicated production lines. No medicated feeds made at the facility. No outside premixes that that might be contaminated. No medications on the property. Guaranteed. Win
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Location: Beggs, OK | If I weren't able to get the what I wanted I would begin making changes to my facilities and finances to buy the best quality forage I could find. The commercial feed companies have done an excellent job conditioning the general public to think that high fat feeds, low carb feeds, etc are a necessary part of owning horses when it simply isn't natural or true. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | CHEETAH - 2016-08-17 11:36 AM Not the answer if you can't get it in this area.
Best thing to do is find a store that's willing to be a distributor.
Start a petition in your area for Renew Gold.
I got my feed store ot carry it. Took a while but we got it done.
TSC now carries it and a few other stores are now carrying it in my area. |
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Location: Always in the Jungle of Ohio | IRunOnFaith - 2016-08-17 11:41 AM CHEETAH - 2016-08-17 11:36 AM Not the answer if you can't get it in this area. Best thing to do is find a store that's willing to be a distributor.
Start a petition in your area for Renew Gold.
I got my feed store ot carry it. Took a while but we got it done.
TSC now carries it and a few other stores are now carrying it in my area.
I am in Ohio, not sure if any company in this area would get it in, and not sure enough people around me would buy it. I'll check into it! |
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Location: Kentucky | rachellyn80 - 2016-08-17 12:40 PM
If I weren't able to get the what I wanted I would begin making changes to my facilities and finances to buy the best quality forage I could find. The commercial feed companies have done an excellent job conditioning the general public to think that high fat feeds, low carb feeds, etc are a necessary part of owning horses when it simply isn't natural or true.
Any luck with Omni's dealers in KY? |
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Location: OH. IO | IRunOnFaith - 2016-08-17 12:41 PM CHEETAH - 2016-08-17 11:36 AM Not the answer if you can't get it in this area. Best thing to do is find a store that's willing to be a distributor.
Start a petition in your area for Renew Gold.
I got my feed store ot carry it. Took a while but we got it done.
TSC now carries it and a few other stores are now carrying it in my area.
our TSC is the most undependable store around,i dont want to be the one searching for bags if it isnt available.
Who can tell me what is safe????I want a feed that does no medicated feeds at all,is there such a thing besides renew gold?
i find it soooo frustrating that they said their mill was free of medications,and yet they fixed what was wrong in their bins.  |
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| I just spoke with Kalmbach Rep.
The horse products are made in a separate facility than all the other livestock feeds. They are several miles apart and they have issued an invite to those that would like to see the facility.
The FDA paperwork has blurred out the products, but I recall one being a rabbit food and other various livestock feeds. That paperwork could very well be for the other facility. Since there isn't supposed to be anything but horse feed made at the second facility the fact that this other type of feed is mentioned in the citation.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | jake16 - 2016-08-17 11:56 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-08-17 12:41 PM CHEETAH - 2016-08-17 11:36 AM Not the answer if you can't get it in this area. Best thing to do is find a store that's willing to be a distributor.
Start a petition in your area for Renew Gold.
I got my feed store ot carry it. Took a while but we got it done.
TSC now carries it and a few other stores are now carrying it in my area.
Who can tell me what is safe????I want a feed that does no medicated feeds at all,is there such a thing besides renew gold?
i find it soooo frustrating that they said their mill was free of medications,and yet they fixed what was wrong in their bins.
You know how to fix TSC being unreliable right?? LOL You call upper management and file a complaint. They fix the problem real quick and in a hurry. |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | winwillows - 2016-08-17 12:33 PM The answer is Renew Gold. Not just dedicated non medicated production lines. No medicated feeds made at the facility. No outside premixes that that might be contaminated. No medications on the property. Guaranteed. Win
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Here is the info on the lab at Auburn University - very easy to use and where you can send samples.
http://www.agi.alabama.gov/divisions/avdl/diagnostic-laboratories/auburn-lab |
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| rachellyn80 - 2016-08-17 11:40 AM If I weren't able to get the what I wanted I would begin making changes to my facilities and finances to buy the best quality forage I could find. The commercial feed companies have done an excellent job conditioning the general public to think that high fat feeds, low carb feeds, etc are a necessary part of owning horses when it simply isn't natural or true.
Agree, I have not fed grain in about 7 years. Had one go off his feed due to ulcers but continued to eat his forage. Treated him and took all my horses off grain. I thought why the heck do I want to continue feeding something that is the first thing they refuse to eat when ulcers/stomach upset is present. |
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Location: Deep South | CHEETAH - 2016-08-17 11:54 AM
IRunOnFaith - 2016-08-17 11:41 AM CHEETAH - 2016-08-17 11:36 AM Not the answer if you can't get it in this area. Best thing to do is find a store that's willing to be a distributor.
Start a petition in your area for Renew Gold.
I got my feed store ot carry it. Took a while but we got it done.
TSC now carries it and a few other stores are now carrying it in my area.
Buckeye Nutrition based out of Ohio recently posted this photo. Worth looking into their feeds if you're in that area.
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I'm not sure why you are asking if the two plants share trucks? All feed would be bagged on manufactured site and would only leave there in bagged form on a truck.... All concentrated medications are also in bagged form. Not seeing a contamination issue there...
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Location: Deep South | jake16 - 2016-08-17 11:56 AM
IRunOnFaith - 2016-08-17 12:41 PM CHEETAH - 2016-08-17 11:36 AM Not the answer if you can't get it in this area. Best thing to do is find a store that's willing to be a distributor.
Start a petition in your area for Renew Gold.
I got my feed store ot carry it. Took a while but we got it done.
TSC now carries it and a few other stores are now carrying it in my area.
Who can tell me what is safe????I want a feed that does no medicated feeds at all,is there such a thing besides renew gold?
i find it soooo frustrating that they said their mill was free of medications,and yet they fixed what was wrong in their bins.
Danco Forage
Blue Bonnett
Renew Gold
Purina
Seminole
Total Equine
Standlee Hay
Manna Pro
Buckeye
Red River Feeds
Woody's Feeds
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Location: OH. IO | How about their new partner plants???who's milling for them??? |
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Location: Always in the Jungle of Ohio | BamaCanChaser - 2016-08-17 1:04 PM CHEETAH - 2016-08-17 11:54 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-08-17 11:41 AM CHEETAH - 2016-08-17 11:36 AM Not the answer if you can't get it in this area. Best thing to do is find a store that's willing to be a distributor.
Start a petition in your area for Renew Gold.
I got my feed store ot carry it. Took a while but we got it done.
TSC now carries it and a few other stores are now carrying it in my area. Buckeye Nutrition based out of Ohio recently posted this photo. Worth looking into their feeds if you're in that area.
Thank you! I'll look into it!! |
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That will now be on the list of additional questions
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| Fancy Lass - 2016-08-17 2:19 PM
Are all purina plants ionophore free ? I read at one point they were not . Just trying to get all my facts straight before I go said gig companies.. Again..
I have been told they are not all clean and most mill both but have separate lines but could still cause cross contamination. I could be wrong just what has been passed along to me. |
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| Has anyone ever tried Crypt Aero feed? It is suppose to be separate facility from any med feed. It is very expensive though. We are going to try a bag or two and see what they horses think. We also talked to Tribute this morning and were assured that this was not an issue they are still a separate facility and clean and safe. They were going to get us there test results and documentation to prove it so I hope they do. |
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Location: Deep South | 3canstorun - 2016-08-17 2:27 PM
No, they are not.
I was told Purina mills it's horse feed in separate facilities. Is that not true? |
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Location: OH. IO | Just spoke with a lady who works there.she assured me it did not happen at the equine facility and that they will be releasing a statement in the next few days.She also offered an on-site tour whenever I can get there.she also said someone will come back on here shortly to try yo clarify some things but cannot talk about lawsuit.this is just an update as to what she told me.im not sure what I will feed until this is cleared up or if I will even trust any feed company again.But I will say she went into great detail with me and at least that's a start. |
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| cutnrunqhmt - 2016-08-17 2:28 PM
Fancy Lass - 2016-08-17 2:19 PM
Are all purina plants ionophore free ? I read at one point they were not . Just trying to get all my facts straight before I go said gig companies.. Again..
I have been told they are not all clean and most mill both but have separate lines but could still cause cross contamination. I could be wrong just what has been passed along to me.
I feed purina strategy healthy edge... before I read about the possible issue with tribute, after I fed Saturday morning, my horse was acting "off" laying down, almost colic like symptoms, heavy breathing a little moaning, and just off.. I know this horse so well, I knew something wasn't right. I haven't fed it since... just because I'm paranoid beyond something was wrong. He ended up being ok the next few days, back to normal. I'm not saying it's because of the feed, but I can't 100% rule it out either because different purina mills do things differently.. I know it has been discussed they use seperated "lines " for horse feed but they also make medicated feed on their premises. Call me paranoid, because on this issue I most definitely am after seeing what some went thru on here and on facebook. I quit feeding it, dumped what I had left and made the hour drive to a blue bonnet dealer and stocked up. Blue bonnet has 1 mill, (correct me if I'm wrong) in Oklahoma that is absolutely 100% medication free facility. |
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Location: southeast Texas | And just how do they "clean" their lines? Many years ago, I was feeding a feed that wasn't supposed to have corn in it ( no I don't remember the brand ) every once in a while I would find odd pieces of corn scattered thru the bag.
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| jake16 - 2016-08-17 2:56 PM
Just spoke with a lady who works there.she assured me it did not happen at the equine facility and that they will be releasing a statement in the next few days.She also offered an on-site tour whenever I can get there.she also said someone will come back on here shortly to try yo clarify some things but cannot talk about lawsuit.this is just an update as to what she told me.im not sure what I will feed until this is cleared up or if I will even trust any feed company again.But I will say she went into great detail with me and at least that's a start.
That is the same information that I received when I contacted them this morning. Maybe we should meet and do a tour together - two brains are better than one.
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| Tmain - 2016-08-17 5:14 PM
jake16 - 2016-08-17 2:56 PM
Just spoke with a lady who works there.she assured me it did not happen at the equine facility and that they will be releasing a statement in the next few days.She also offered an on-site tour whenever I can get there.she also said someone will come back on here shortly to try yo clarify some things but cannot talk about lawsuit.this is just an update as to what she told me.im not sure what I will feed until this is cleared up or if I will even trust any feed company again.But I will say she went into great detail with me and at least that's a start.
That is the same information that I received when I contacted them this morning. Maybe we should meet and do a tour together - two brains are better than one.
I live about 4 hours from the plant.
I spoke with my area rep today. He said the plant is 100% free of ionophore. They sent multiple samples to get tested and they all came back fine. He said that "batch in question" has fed 1000's of other horses without any known issues. He also invited me to tour their facility. I don't know what's true and what isn't but I'm not ready to throw the whole company under the bus just yet. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | roanrider - 2016-08-17 4:33 PM Tmain - 2016-08-17 5:14 PM jake16 - 2016-08-17 2:56 PM Just spoke with a lady who works there.she assured me it did not happen at the equine facility and that they will be releasing a statement in the next few days.She also offered an on-site tour whenever I can get there.she also said someone will come back on here shortly to try yo clarify some things but cannot talk about lawsuit.this is just an update as to what she told me.im not sure what I will feed until this is cleared up or if I will even trust any feed company again.But I will say she went into great detail with me and at least that's a start. That is the same information that I received when I contacted them this morning. Maybe we should meet and do a tour together - two brains are better than one. I live about 4 hours from the plant. I spoke with my area rep today. He said the plant is 100% free of ionophore. They sent multiple samples to get tested and they all came back fine. He said that "batch in question" has fed 1000's of other horses without any known issues. He also invited me to tour their facility. I don't know what's true and what isn't but I'm not ready to throw the whole company under the bus just yet.
Hummm, I wonder why they sent off a sample to be tested if the mill is 100% free of ionophore. If this is a mill for horses only I would think there would be no worriers. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-08-17 5:44 PM
roanrider - 2016-08-17 4:33 PM Tmain - 2016-08-17 5:14 PM jake16 - 2016-08-17 2:56 PM Just spoke with a lady who works there.she assured me it did not happen at the equine facility and that they will be releasing a statement in the next few days.She also offered an on-site tour whenever I can get there.she also said someone will come back on here shortly to try yo clarify some things but cannot talk about lawsuit.this is just an update as to what she told me.im not sure what I will feed until this is cleared up or if I will even trust any feed company again.But I will say she went into great detail with me and at least that's a start. That is the same information that I received when I contacted them this morning. Maybe we should meet and do a tour together - two brains are better than one. I live about 4 hours from the plant. I spoke with my area rep today. He said the plant is 100% free of ionophore. They sent multiple samples to get tested and they all came back fine. He said that "batch in question" has fed 1000's of other horses without any known issues. He also invited me to tour their facility. I don't know what's true and what isn't but I'm not ready to throw the whole company under the bus just yet.
They are being sued. They would have to get tests to back up their position that the feed is safe. |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-08-17 4:44 PM
roanrider - 2016-08-17 4:33 PM Tmain - 2016-08-17 5:14 PM jake16 - 2016-08-17 2:56 PM Just spoke with a lady who works there.she assured me it did not happen at the equine facility and that they will be releasing a statement in the next few days.She also offered an on-site tour whenever I can get there.she also said someone will come back on here shortly to try yo clarify some things but cannot talk about lawsuit.this is just an update as to what she told me.im not sure what I will feed until this is cleared up or if I will even trust any feed company again.But I will say she went into great detail with me and at least that's a start. That is the same information that I received when I contacted them this morning. Maybe we should meet and do a tour together - two brains are better than one. I live about 4 hours from the plant. I spoke with my area rep today. He said the plant is 100% free of ionophore. They sent multiple samples to get tested and they all came back fine. He said that "batch in question" has fed 1000's of other horses without any known issues. He also invited me to tour their facility. I don't know what's true and what isn't but I'm not ready to throw the whole company under the bus just yet.
They are covering their arse... I'll be very curious how this turns out. I don't even have access to Kalmbach Tribute, but I'd sure be worried if I had it in my feed room right now. |
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Location: OH. IO | Tmain - 2016-08-17 5:14 PM
jake16 - 2016-08-17 2:56 PM
Just spoke with a lady who works there.she assured me it did not happen at the equine facility and that they will be releasing a statement in the next few days.She also offered an on-site tour whenever I can get there.she also said someone will come back on here shortly to try yo clarify some things but cannot talk about lawsuit.this is just an update as to what she told me.im not sure what I will feed until this is cleared up or if I will even trust any feed company again.But I will say she went into great detail with me and at least that's a start.
That is the same information that I received when I contacted them this morning. Maybe we should meet and do a tour together - two brains are better than one.
I live about 4 hours from the plant.
I believe you are about 45 minutes from me.im also not ready to throw them under the bus just yet.But I will take precaution until I know for sure.She also said they are the ones packaging for the Michigan and I think Indiana plant.I feel more settled today than when I saw this yesterday but as I said I'm still doing what I need to do to be safe. |
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Location: Nebraska | BamaCanChaser - 2016-08-17 2:55 PM 3canstorun - 2016-08-17 2:27 PM No, they are not. I was told Purina mills it's horse feed in separate facilities. Is that not true?
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Not the answer if you can't get it in this area.
Call us. We can get it to you just about everywhere. 400+ more stores coming on line in September. Our office number is 855 377 3639. We will find you a store in your area, or set one up.
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| BamaCanChaser - 2016-08-17 2:55 PM
3canstorun - 2016-08-17 2:27 PM
No, they are not.
I was told Purina mills it's horse feed in separate facilities. Is that not true?
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Fancy Lass - 2016-08-17 2:19 PM
Are all purina plants ionophore free ? I read at one point they were not . Just trying to get all my facts straight before I go said gig companies.. Again..
I have been told they are not all clean and most mill both but have separate lines but could still cause cross contamination. I could be wrong just what has been passed along to me.
I feed purina strategy healthy edge... before I read about the possible issue with tribute, after I fed Saturday morning, my horse was acting "off" laying down, almost colic like symptoms, heavy breathing a little moaning, and just off.. I know this horse so well, I knew something wasn't right. I haven't fed it since... just because I'm paranoid beyond something was wrong. He ended up being ok the next few days, back to normal. I'm not saying it's because of the feed, but I can't 100% rule it out either because different purina mills do things differently.. I know it has been discussed they use seperated "lines " for horse feed but they also make medicated feed on their premises. Call me paranoid, because on this issue I most definitely am after seeing what some went thru on here and on facebook. I quit feeding it, dumped what I had left and made the hour drive to a blue bonnet dealer and stocked up. Blue bonnet has 1 mill, (correct me if I'm wrong ) in Oklahoma that is absolutely 100% medication free facility.
I don't blame you I stopped feeding Triple Crown early last year for the same type of reason. I had two horses get colic symptoms and just off not bad but not right. I went and found new feed, actually started buying Tribute online and LMF which is a feed we have here that is suppose to be safe as well. I have had a horrible year with my horses and can not take chances on a grain being deadly too. I had a toxic issue with hay.
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Location: West Texas | cutnrunqhmt - 2016-08-17 11:53 PM
want2chase3 - 2016-08-17 3:18 PM
cutnrunqhmt - 2016-08-17 2:28 PM
Fancy Lass - 2016-08-17 2:19 PM
Are all purina plants ionophore free ? I read at one point they were not . Just trying to get all my facts straight before I go said gig companies.. Again..
I have been told they are not all clean and most mill both but have separate lines but could still cause cross contamination. I could be wrong just what has been passed along to me.
I feed purina strategy healthy edge... before I read about the possible issue with tribute, after I fed Saturday morning, my horse was acting "off" laying down, almost colic like symptoms, heavy breathing a little moaning, and just off.. I know this horse so well, I knew something wasn't right. I haven't fed it since... just because I'm paranoid beyond something was wrong. He ended up being ok the next few days, back to normal. I'm not saying it's because of the feed, but I can't 100% rule it out either because different purina mills do things differently.. I know it has been discussed they use seperated "lines " for horse feed but they also make medicated feed on their premises. Call me paranoid, because on this issue I most definitely am after seeing what some went thru on here and on facebook. I quit feeding it, dumped what I had left and made the hour drive to a blue bonnet dealer and stocked up. Blue bonnet has 1 mill, (correct me if I'm wrong ) in Oklahoma that is absolutely 100% medication free facility.
I don't blame you I stopped feeding Triple Crown early last year for the same type of reason. I had two horses get colic symptoms and just off not bad but not right. I went and found new feed, actually started buying Tribute online and LMF which is a feed we have here that is suppose to be safe as well. I have had a horrible year with my horses and can not take chances on a grain being deadly too. I had a toxic issue with hay.
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Location: Beggs, OK | cutnrunqhmt - 2016-08-17 11:53 PM want2chase3 - 2016-08-17 3:18 PM cutnrunqhmt - 2016-08-17 2:28 PM Fancy Lass - 2016-08-17 2:19 PM Are all purina plants ionophore free ? I read at one point they were not . Just trying to get all my facts straight before I go said gig companies.. Again.. I have been told they are not all clean and most mill both but have separate lines but could still cause cross contamination. I could be wrong just what has been passed along to me. I feed purina strategy healthy edge... before I read about the possible issue with tribute, after I fed Saturday morning, my horse was acting "off" laying down, almost colic like symptoms, heavy breathing a little moaning, and just off.. I know this horse so well, I knew something wasn't right. I haven't fed it since... just because I'm paranoid beyond something was wrong. He ended up being ok the next few days, back to normal. I'm not saying it's because of the feed, but I can't 100% rule it out either because different purina mills do things differently.. I know it has been discussed they use seperated "lines " for horse feed but they also make medicated feed on their premises. Call me paranoid, because on this issue I most definitely am after seeing what some went thru on here and on facebook. I quit feeding it, dumped what I had left and made the hour drive to a blue bonnet dealer and stocked up. Blue bonnet has 1 mill, (correct me if I'm wrong ) in Oklahoma that is absolutely 100% medication free facility. I don't blame you I stopped feeding Triple Crown early last year for the same type of reason. I had two horses get colic symptoms and just off not bad but not right. I went and found new feed, actually started buying Tribute online and LMF which is a feed we have here that is suppose to be safe as well. I have had a horrible year with my horses and can not take chances on a grain being deadly too. I had a toxic issue with hay.
It's not Monensin in this article, but Triple Crown has issues too.
http://www.paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/burden-proof-iowa-trainer-proves-feed-contamination-caused-ractopamine-positives/#.V6UZhpcY3-0.facebook |
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Location: Kentucky | Tdove - 2016-08-18 10:20 AM cutnrunqhmt - 2016-08-17 11:53 PM want2chase3 - 2016-08-17 3:18 PM cutnrunqhmt - 2016-08-17 2:28 PM Fancy Lass - 2016-08-17 2:19 PM Are all purina plants ionophore free ? I read at one point they were not . Just trying to get all my facts straight before I go said gig companies.. Again.. I have been told they are not all clean and most mill both but have separate lines but could still cause cross contamination. I could be wrong just what has been passed along to me. I feed purina strategy healthy edge... before I read about the possible issue with tribute, after I fed Saturday morning, my horse was acting "off" laying down, almost colic like symptoms, heavy breathing a little moaning, and just off.. I know this horse so well, I knew something wasn't right. I haven't fed it since... just because I'm paranoid beyond something was wrong. He ended up being ok the next few days, back to normal. I'm not saying it's because of the feed, but I can't 100% rule it out either because different purina mills do things differently.. I know it has been discussed they use seperated "lines " for horse feed but they also make medicated feed on their premises. Call me paranoid, because on this issue I most definitely am after seeing what some went thru on here and on facebook. I quit feeding it, dumped what I had left and made the hour drive to a blue bonnet dealer and stocked up. Blue bonnet has 1 mill, (correct me if I'm wrong ) in Oklahoma that is absolutely 100% medication free facility. I don't blame you I stopped feeding Triple Crown early last year for the same type of reason. I had two horses get colic symptoms and just off not bad but not right. I went and found new feed, actually started buying Tribute online and LMF which is a feed we have here that is suppose to be safe as well. I have had a horrible year with my horses and can not take chances on a grain being deadly too. I had a toxic issue with hay. You are aware that this whole thread is about a lawsuit, claiming Tribute feed caused the death of horses due to monensin poising, correct?
Not sure why your response was so snotty. It's a related post - feed programs from well-know feed companies.
I too switched from TC to Tribute due to colic issues. TC still denies any problems they had with their feed, even though I know of multiple people with horses who endured colic episodes on the feed. |
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Location: Mi | I'm a tribute dealer (Kalmbach) and also feed 22 horses between Kalm Ultra, Kalm N Ez, Essenital K and Essential K GC. I've had NO problems! Yes, this information will shake people up and get people talking, worring, questioning, wondering but we've bee assured the plant is 100% free of ionophore. They sent multiple samples to get tested and they all came back fine. The "batch in question" has fed 1000's of other horses without any known issues. Anyone who would like is invited to tour their facility. I don't know what's true and what not, but I'm not ready to jump ship on the feed just yet because of some quite potentially false accusations. |
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| Ahmac - 2016-08-18 9:51 AM
I'm a tribute dealer (Kalmbach) and also feed 22 horses between Kalm Ultra, Kalm N Ez, Essenital K and Essential K GC. I've had NO problems! Yes, this information will shake people up and get people talking, worring, questioning, wondering but we've bee assured the plant is 100% free of ionophore. They sent multiple samples to get tested and they all came back fine. The "batch in question" has fed 1000's of other horses without any known issues. Anyone who would like is invited to tour their facility. I don't know what's true and what not, but I'm not ready to jump ship on the feed just yet because of some quite potentially false accusations.
I wish I still had the bag of foal foundation I was feeding at the same time. My baby was fine no problems in fact she looked great especially for an orpahan. I only get to feed it to some as we are still buying from Amazon but really love the feed. |
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| Tdove - 2016-08-18 9:20 AM
cutnrunqhmt - 2016-08-17 11:53 PM
want2chase3 - 2016-08-17 3:18 PM
cutnrunqhmt - 2016-08-17 2:28 PM
Fancy Lass - 2016-08-17 2:19 PM
Are all purina plants ionophore free ? I read at one point they were not . Just trying to get all my facts straight before I go said gig companies.. Again..
I have been told they are not all clean and most mill both but have separate lines but could still cause cross contamination. I could be wrong just what has been passed along to me.
I feed purina strategy healthy edge... before I read about the possible issue with tribute, after I fed Saturday morning, my horse was acting "off" laying down, almost colic like symptoms, heavy breathing a little moaning, and just off.. I know this horse so well, I knew something wasn't right. I haven't fed it since... just because I'm paranoid beyond something was wrong. He ended up being ok the next few days, back to normal. I'm not saying it's because of the feed, but I can't 100% rule it out either because different purina mills do things differently.. I know it has been discussed they use seperated "lines " for horse feed but they also make medicated feed on their premises. Call me paranoid, because on this issue I most definitely am after seeing what some went thru on here and on facebook. I quit feeding it, dumped what I had left and made the hour drive to a blue bonnet dealer and stocked up. Blue bonnet has 1 mill, (correct me if I'm wrong ) in Oklahoma that is absolutely 100% medication free facility.
I don't blame you I stopped feeding Triple Crown early last year for the same type of reason. I had two horses get colic symptoms and just off not bad but not right. I went and found new feed, actually started buying Tribute online and LMF which is a feed we have here that is suppose to be safe as well. I have had a horrible year with my horses and can not take chances on a grain being deadly too. I had a toxic issue with hay.
You are aware that this whole thread is about a lawsuit, claiming Tribute feed caused the death of horses due to monensin poising, correct?
I'm very aware what this thread is about. There are several other feed companies that have had the same issues.. so far there are only a handful of feed companies, including yours, that have not had any issues with poisoning. This is a very educational & enlightening thread for all of us who care and love our horses and only want the best.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | want2chase3 - 2016-08-18 2:26 PM Tdove - 2016-08-18 9:20 AM cutnrunqhmt - 2016-08-17 11:53 PM want2chase3 - 2016-08-17 3:18 PM cutnrunqhmt - 2016-08-17 2:28 PM Fancy Lass - 2016-08-17 2:19 PM Are all purina plants ionophore free ? I read at one point they were not . Just trying to get all my facts straight before I go said gig companies.. Again.. I have been told they are not all clean and most mill both but have separate lines but could still cause cross contamination. I could be wrong just what has been passed along to me. I feed purina strategy healthy edge... before I read about the possible issue with tribute, after I fed Saturday morning, my horse was acting "off" laying down, almost colic like symptoms, heavy breathing a little moaning, and just off.. I know this horse so well, I knew something wasn't right. I haven't fed it since... just because I'm paranoid beyond something was wrong. He ended up being ok the next few days, back to normal. I'm not saying it's because of the feed, but I can't 100% rule it out either because different purina mills do things differently.. I know it has been discussed they use seperated "lines " for horse feed but they also make medicated feed on their premises. Call me paranoid, because on this issue I most definitely am after seeing what some went thru on here and on facebook. I quit feeding it, dumped what I had left and made the hour drive to a blue bonnet dealer and stocked up. Blue bonnet has 1 mill, (correct me if I'm wrong ) in Oklahoma that is absolutely 100% medication free facility. I don't blame you I stopped feeding Triple Crown early last year for the same type of reason. I had two horses get colic symptoms and just off not bad but not right. I went and found new feed, actually started buying Tribute online and LMF which is a feed we have here that is suppose to be safe as well. I have had a horrible year with my horses and can not take chances on a grain being deadly too. I had a toxic issue with hay. You are aware that this whole thread is about a lawsuit, claiming Tribute feed caused the death of horses due to monensin poising, correct? I'm very aware what this thread is about. There are several other feed companies that have had the same issues.. so far there are only a handful of feed companies, including yours, that have not had any issues with poisoning. This is a very educational & enlightening thread for all of us who care and love our horses and only want the best.
Tdove owns a feed company? What feed company is it? I may have seen his advertisement somewhere but guess it has sliped my mind. Is is on here somewhere?  |
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Location: West Texas | I wasn't trying to be snotty at all and I do apologize if it came across that way, in any form. I was probably just confused (it happens a lot).... I do not own a feed company. I do represent Danco Forage. That really isn't a part of any of this. I don't wish this kind of a deal for any feed company.
My comment was that I thought cutnrunqhmt was saying that she changed from Triple Crown (which I agree for good reason) to Tribute because she knows they are safe. Maybe that is not what she was saying at all? I was asking if she was aware that is what this post was discussing, a claim (yet to be proven) that Tribute may not be safe. Wasn't trying to make any waves, I assure you.
Just a side note, I highly doubt that any feed company has ever had this happen intentionally and I certainly don't know the truth as to what the outcome of this case will end up being.
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Location: West Texas | Additionally, I do think this thread is valid and I follow all of these poisoning cases because it is clearly a problem that someone needs to address and consumer should definitely be aware of. |
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| Tdove - 2016-08-18 4:11 PM
I wasn't trying to be snotty at all and I do apologize if it came across that way, in any form. I was probably just confused (it happens a lot).... I do not own a feed company. I do represent Danco Forage. That really isn't a part of any of this. I don't wish this kind of a deal for any feed company.
My comment was that I thought cutnrunqhmt was saying that she changed from Triple Crown (which I agree for good reason) to Tribute because she knows they are safe. Maybe that is not what she was saying at all? I was asking if she was aware that is what this post was discussing, a claim (yet to be proven) that Tribute may not be safe. Wasn't trying to make any waves, I assure you.
Just a side note, I highly doubt that any feed company has ever had this happen intentionally and I am certainly don't know the truth as to the outcome of this case.
My bad, I misunderstood. I get what you meant now, all this rain and mud must have seeped into my brain |
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| want2chase3 - 2016-08-18 4:41 PM
Tdove - 2016-08-18 4:11 PM
I wasn't trying to be snotty at all and I do apologize if it came across that way, in any form. I was probably just confused (it happens a lot).... I do not own a feed company. I do represent Danco Forage. That really isn't a part of any of this. I don't wish this kind of a deal for any feed company.
My comment was that I thought cutnrunqhmt was saying that she changed from Triple Crown (which I agree for good reason) to Tribute because she knows they are safe. Maybe that is not what she was saying at all? I was asking if she was aware that is what this post was discussing, a claim (yet to be proven) that Tribute may not be safe. Wasn't trying to make any waves, I assure you.
Just a side note, I highly doubt that any feed company has ever had this happen intentionally and I am certainly don't know the truth as to the outcome of this case.
My bad, I misunderstood. I get what you meant now, all this rain and mud must have seeped into my brain
I missed this . I do know that Tribute may be involved in a cross contamination issue I originally changed from Triple Crown to Tribute a year ago because of issues with TC. I am hoping it isn't true because in my area I am really short on options. |
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Location: Willows, CA | I had a customer call yesterday about our manufacturing practices in California. After explaining how our product is made it was clear that she had first hand information on the topic. So, I asked if she had experienced the issue of feed contamination herself. She said that in her 40 horse barn, 18 horses had died. The ones that didn't were "ruined" for good. While she talked about the feed company involved, I will not mention the name, as I personally have no first hand knowledge of her situation. It is clear that we need to gather all the information about who we deal with when the health of our horses is at risk. There are a number of companies out there that have no medications on the mill property. If Tribute is one of those, I hope that the truth comes out and they are cleared. If not, I hope that truth comes out also. Before the internet, these issues were swept under a rug somewhere and most horse owners never heard of the issue. Now the word gets around. As long a the word that gets around is the truth, I think that is a good thing. |
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Location: OH. IO | winwillows - 2016-08-18 7:32 PM
I had a customer call yesterday about our manufacturing practices in California. After explaining how our product is made it was clear that she had first hand information on the topic. So, I asked if she had experienced the issue of feed contamination herself. She said that in her 40 horse barn, 18 horses had died. The ones that didn't were "ruined" for good. While she talked about the feed company involved, I will not mention the name, as I personally have no first hand knowledge of her situation. It is clear that we need to gather all the information about who we deal with when the health of our horses is at risk. There are a number of companies out there that have no medications on the mill property. If Tribute is one of those, I hope that the truth comes out and they are cleared. If not, I hope that truth comes out also. Before the internet, these issues were swept under a rug somewhere and most horse owners never heard of the issue. Now the word gets around. As long a the word that gets around is the truth, I think that is a good thing.
Let me ask you this.im being serious..not being smarty pants.How do you guarantee your customers that you are 100 percent ionophore free??? If I asked you to convince me you are free of meds...how do you prove it too me? |
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| I want to mention this as well, because a lot of folks are steering away from "commercial" feeds and going with whole, crimped, steam rolled etc oats... I tried that route but was extremely unhappy with the quality of oats I could get... I found plenty of whole corn, and my last round of crimped oats I found a bunch of cattle cake, whole pieces in my bags... if I could find a reliable source of good CLEAN oats that hasn't been run thru any machines I'd go that route. I was buying 40lb sacks of whole oats from my feed store and I kept finding chunks of corn and other foreign pellets so I asked where they came from and if there was any possibility of cross contamination from medicated feeds.. I didn't get an answer that satisfied me so I quit feeding those. |
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Location: Willows, CA | jake16 - 2016-08-18 6:36 PM
winwillows - 2016-08-18 7:32 PM
I had a customer call yesterday about our manufacturing practices in California. After explaining how our product is made it was clear that she had first hand information on the topic. So, I asked if she had experienced the issue of feed contamination herself. She said that in her 40 horse barn, 18 horses had died. The ones that didn't were "ruined" for good. While she talked about the feed company involved, I will not mention the name, as I personally have no first hand knowledge of her situation. It is clear that we need to gather all the information about who we deal with when the health of our horses is at risk. There are a number of companies out there that have no medications on the mill property. If Tribute is one of those, I hope that the truth comes out and they are cleared. If not, I hope that truth comes out also. Before the internet, these issues were swept under a rug somewhere and most horse owners never heard of the issue. Now the word gets around. As long a the word that gets around is the truth, I think that is a good thing.
Let me ask you this.im being serious..not being smarty pants.How do you guarantee your customers that you are 100 percent ionophore free??? If I asked you to convince me you are free of meds...how do you prove it too me?
A person only has his reputation to stand on. I developed the use of stabilization of rice bran in the 1980's with the product "Natural Glo" the first high fat, low starch horse feed on the market. From that time to today, we have used human food grade ingredients to make only non gmo horse, dog and poultry products in limited facilities that have no medications of any kind on the property. Unlike the vast majority of feed manufacturers, we were performance horse people long before we made or sold feed. My wife, Suzan (yes the Suzan who usually answers the phone when you call our office) and I hauled cutting horses 40,000 miles a year. Raised two talented daughters who made the High School Rodeo Nationals 5 times between them with three trips to the short go and one overall win on horses that we actually owned. What I am saying is we have been around a while, and believe that over all those years our reputation has remained impeccable. Riders like Sherry Cervi, Dena Kerkpatrick, the late Ray Hunt and many many others trust us completely to keep their horses from harm. We do not pay them to wear those Renew Gold patches. We take that pretty seriously, because we are horse people too. |
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| want2chase3 - 2016-08-18 6:48 PM
I want to mention this as well, because a lot of folks are steering away from "commercial" feeds and going with whole, crimped, steam rolled etc oats... I tried that route but was extremely unhappy with the quality of oats I could get... I found plenty of whole corn, and my last round of crimped oats I found a bunch of cattle cake, whole pieces in my bags... if I could find a reliable source of good CLEAN oats that hasn't been run thru any machines I'd go that route. I was buying 40lb sacks of whole oats from my feed store and I kept finding chunks of corn and other foreign pellets so I asked where they came from and if there was any possibility of cross contamination from medicated feeds.. I didn't get an answer that satisfied me so I quit feeding those.
I know whole grains are hard to find and if they are milled by any of the feed companies or even local mills they could be exposed to medicated feeds as well. We only have a few guys that we can occassional buy whole oats from straight from the field.
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| The ONLY way to have a safe feed is to use a feed that comes from a ionophore free mill. That means a mill with NO ionophores on site. I don't care how good a clean out they do...if a mill has ionophores, you run the risk of poisoning your horses.
These comments saying, "I fed *such n such* with no problems" are ludicrous. Some horses tolerate ionophores better than others. Some can be killed by a trace amount. Some bags if contaminated feed have hot spots where the ionophore is in one area, not throughout the entire bag. So the feed company claiming "That batch fed thousands of horses with no other problem" is ludicrous too.
People saying "Go to whole grains to be safe"...that isn't true either. Some facilities use oats to clean out. Others use medicated chicken feed.
Again, the ONLY safe feed is a feed that comes from an ionophore FREE facility. I literally go to 3 different feed stores to get all the ingredients I need to mix the grain mix I now use. It is a pain in the rear but everything I use comes from ionophore free mills. I have a Nutrena plant in town. I don't feed it because they do use ionophores in their bulk feed. Ionophores are on site. Even if they don't get put on the bagging side of the plant, well...that just isn't a good enough answer for me. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Our local seed dealer is also a seed cleaner. I can get very very clean locally grown bagged oats from them. They aren't as heavy as the ones grown up north, and they come in a plain brown bag, but I know they're safe. |
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| Can the bags get contaminated if the feed is milled at an ionosphore free facility, but at the feed store they are stored with medicated cattle feed? |
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| GLP - 2016-08-19 8:11 AM
Can the bags get contaminated if the feed is milled at an ionosphore free facility, but at the feed store they are stored with medicated cattle feed?
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| rachellyn80 - 2016-08-17 11:40 AM
If I weren't able to get the what I wanted I would begin making changes to my facilities and finances to buy the best quality forage I could find. The commercial feed companies have done an excellent job conditioning the general public to think that high fat feeds, low carb feeds, etc are a necessary part of owning horses when it simply isn't natural or true.
You obviously have never dealt with a PSSM horse. Some cannot tolerate the sugars in GRASS. What is natural about that? We have created a non-natural horse with our breeding programs.
Sigh, I had been pretty happy with the Kalm n EZ. Now what? Have never seen Renew Gold offered around here and I am guessing that it's expensive. Crap! Who can REALLY say what feeds are manufactured in ionosphere conditions for absolutely sure?? |
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Location: West Texas | The vast majority of horses are not PSSM. A PSSM horse by definition is an unnatural condition. I would think the breeding practices should be looked at rather than the feeding practices. If you have a PSSM horse, that is one thing. But for MOST horses fat is not a normal source of energy and every horse's digestive system must adapt in order to use it as ernergy. There are very few natural fat sources a horse would come across in the evolution of their digestive system. The amounts and sources for fat additives in modern horse feed are at levels and origins that horses have never utilized in the eons of digestive evolution. High quality, protein rich forage, natural highly digestible grains, and small amounts of fat rich seeds are. That is why the overwhelming majority of horses thrive so much on that diet. It works for the youngest to the oldest. I think that is what Rachel is saying.
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Location: Willows, CA | Tdove - 2016-08-20 1:28 AM
The vast majority of horses are not PSSM. A PSSM horse by definition is an unnatural condition. I would think the breeding practices should be looked at rather than the feeding practices. If you have a PSSM horse, that is one thing. But for MOST horses fat is not a normal source of energy and every horse's digestive system must adapt in order to use it as ernergy. There are very few natural fat sources a horse would come across in the evolution of their digestive system. The amounts and sources for fat additives in modern horse feed are at levels and origins that horses have never utilized in the eons of digestive evolution. High quality, protein rich forage, natural highly digestible grains, and small amounts of fat rich seeds are. That is why the overwhelming majority of horses thrive so much on that diet. It works for the youngest to the oldest. I think that is what Rachel is saying.
Sorry, this statement is quite simply not true. Almost all roughage sources have 1% to as much as 1.5% or more natural vegetable fat. When you multiply that times 15 to 20 pounds, that is a significant natural energy source that a horses digestive system has always used naturally. Added fats in their natural state, not refined liquid oils, fed at reasonable rates, are easily used without adaption by the horses digestive system. This has always been in the evolving horses diet. Starch and sugar from grain concentrates, on the other hand, is completely unnatural for horses. There was no place in nature where a horse could stop to eat at the grain pile. Grains at more than several pounds are disruptive to hind gut function and the root cause of many inefficiencies in digestive health today. Roughage that contains 1.5% natural fat, when fed at 15 pounds per day provide over 100 grams of fat. A horse has no problem with double that. This is the most efficient energy source in the system. Should you add two pounds of straight fat? Of course not. But, replacing high grain inclusions with an additional 100 - 150 grams of natural vegetable fat is a much healthier choice.
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Location: West Texas | My statement is true, if you look at the context of what I am talking about. It is a fact that the horse's digestive system is efficient at using starch as energy, while fat must have a timeframe upwards to a month to adapt to concentrated fat sources, for energy use.
The context was high fat rations (at high feeding rates) that is the overwhelming trend in performance feed and the negative marketing efforts of avoiding healthy levels of starches. A controlled but elevated highly digestible starch level is beneficial, when derived from oats, instead of corn.
Additionally, I am not really disagreeing with what you are saying, nor am I advocating high grain and starch rations or extremely low fat levels. 2-4% fat (of the right kinds) in the entire ration is plenty, but how many people out there are looking for more, 5-10% in the total diet? I believe that 15-25% NSC in the entire ration (of the right starch sources) is also perfectly acceptable, and I think more apropriate for a performance horse than a low starch diet, with a few metabolic disorders of course.
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Location: OH. IO | Bumping up ONE MORE TIME to see if anyone cares to clear up the final verdict and also just to keep people aware :))))))))) |
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Location: PA | This is all so frustrating. I currently feed TC Senior. When I first heard about this issue last year, I asked the store I buy from where it is milled, and if it is a horse only mill. I was assured it was. That the SOuthern States Mill they used for their feed was horse only. Great..yay...took their word, and continued feeding. Then....more issues pop up online, lawsuits, more horses dying, etc.
Last week, I again asked my feed store. Explained my issue to them...surprisingly..."they've not heard anything about any issues with horses dying from contaminated feed". Huh. They could not guarentee it was a horse only mill this time...what? How has it changed?! They took my name and number and were going to find out and let me know. Anyone shocked I haven't heard anything?? Yeah, me neither.
So, I sent an email to Southern States to find out if this mill is horse only. Shocker...I got their generic "we do everything we can to ensure safe fee" email response. That isn't good enough for me!! So now i'm stuck and have no clue what to do, or what to switch too.
I DO have a PSSM gelding...he has to be on a low starch high fat diet. Ive fed TC Senoir for YEARS...what im feeding now is what has kept my gelding symptom free. So, now i find myself between a rock and a hard place. He needs a special diet, and I have no guarentee what im feeding won't kill him. Lovely.... |
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