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FOUR OF THE 10 ARE SIRED BY ONE FAMOUS EAGLE
AND WALK THRU FIRE IS THE ONLY SIRE TO HAVE A GET AND A BROODMARE REPRESENTING HIM IN THE FINALS
JOCKEY ESGAR RAMIREZ WILL HAVE TO CHOOSE HIS FINALS RIDE ..
VESSELS STALLION FARM IS THE ONLY DOUBLE UP BREEDER
ENTRIES IN THE ALL AMERICAN FUTURITY
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The Tee Cos passed away, have no idea what happened.
Mexican owners, Mexican trainer... Doesn't take much to figure it out.
Before I get flamed, it's the truth. Last year, the winner collapsed at the end. His connections said he just needed a drink of water. More like they have a cocktail that hasn't been figured out yet so it can't be tested for. |
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Barnmom - 2016-08-21 1:01 PM
The Tee Cos passed away, have no idea what happened.
Mexican owners, Mexican trainer... Doesn't take much to figure it out.
Before I get flamed, it's the truth. Last year, the winner collapsed at the end. His connections said he just needed a drink of water. More like they have a cocktail that hasn't been figured out yet so it can't be tested for.
I have to agree with you Stacy. I think they eventually suspend the trainer, nit I m A y be wrong. |
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Location: Arkansas | SKM - 2016-08-21 3:50 PM
Barnmom - 2016-08-21 1:01 PM
The Tee Cos passed away, have no idea what happened.
Mexican owners, Mexican trainer... Doesn't take much to figure it out.
Before I get flamed, it's the truth. Last year, the winner collapsed at the end. His connections said he just needed a drink of water. More like they have a cocktail that hasn't been figured out yet so it can't be tested for.
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Location: Lala Land | Love me some Walk Through Fire!!! This is the first year in 5 years we're not going, I'm soo sad! Love that you can watch races online from there though. Stinks for horses in the early races yesterday with the standing water. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | total performance - 2016-08-21 3:50 PM SKM - 2016-08-21 3:50 PM Barnmom - 2016-08-21 1:01 PM The Tee Cos passed away, have no idea what happened. Mexican owners, Mexican trainer... Doesn't take much to figure it out. Before I get flamed, it's the truth. Last year, the winner collapsed at the end. His connections said he just needed a drink of water. More like they have a cocktail that hasn't been figured out yet so it can't be tested for. I have to agree with you Stacy. I think they eventually suspend the trainer, nit I m A y be wrong.
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Location: At the race track with Ah Dee Ohs | wyoming barrel racer - 2016-08-22 12:09 PM total performance - 2016-08-21 3:50 PM SKM - 2016-08-21 3:50 PM Barnmom - 2016-08-21 1:01 PM The Tee Cos passed away, have no idea what happened. Mexican owners, Mexican trainer... Doesn't take much to figure it out. Before I get flamed, it's the truth. Last year, the winner collapsed at the end. His connections said he just needed a drink of water. More like they have a cocktail that hasn't been figured out yet so it can't be tested for. I have to agree with you Stacy. I think they eventually suspend the trainer, nit I m A y be wrong.
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total performance - 2016-08-21 3:50 PM SKM - 2016-08-21 3:50 PM Barnmom - 2016-08-21 1:01 PM The Tee Cos passed away, have no idea what happened. Mexican owners, Mexican trainer... Doesn't take much to figure it out. Before I get flamed, it's the truth. Last year, the winner collapsed at the end. His connections said he just needed a drink of water. More like they have a cocktail that hasn't been figured out yet so it can't be tested for. I have to agree with you Stacy. I think they eventually suspend the trainer, nit I m A y be wrong.
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| 2014 ALL AMERICAN FUTURITY AND ALL AMERICAN JUVENILE WINNERS FINISH IN SERIOUS
DISTRESS ...
JM MIRACLE AND JM SPECIALWYNN OWNED BY SAME OWNERS, SAME TRAINER AND SAME JOCKEY
ON BOARD ...
*** THEY WERE BOTH HAUL-IN HORSES FROM OUTSIDE THE TRACK ....
LAST I HEARD THIS HAS BEEN CHANGED TO ALL HORSES MUST BE ON TRACK 10 PRIOR TO THE TRIALS AND THE TOP 10 MUST REMAIN IN A WINNERS BARN UNTIL THE FINALS OF THE FUTURITY HAS BEEN RUN ...
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Location: guthrie | Love love love Coronas First Diva ( Little Diva) Love the connections! She was at farm we are at when she was getting broke.Class class class and exceptionally broke for a race horse. Hope she gets the $$$
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Love me some Walk Through Fire!!! This is the first year in 5 years we're not going, I'm soo sad! Love that you can watch races online from there though. Stinks for horses in the early races yesterday with the standing water.
What is the link to the streaming videos you are watching ??
AQHA took over the free streaming the betting parlors used to stream for free and ofcourse AQHA CHARGES A MONTHLY FEEE .... GGRRRRRRRRRRR
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Location: Lala Land | chasincansMN - 2016-08-23 2:36 PM
Can't wait! We are going for the first time. Any places to go that you suggest? We will be there the 2nd -6th.
Everywhere we've ate has always been good, but Lucy's is our fav Mexican food place. Inn at the Mountain of the Gods is beautiful overlooking the lake. So sad we're missing it this year it's always such a great time. :) Have fun!!! |
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You would have to look long and far to find a more corrupt group than them.
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THANK YOU ... I will be traveling so this will be great!!
I love it when someone posts a good clear video on youtube .... watching it on tv irritates me because they will hardly ever show the entire race again ... we are talking 22 seconds to 2 minutes on great races ... yet the talking heads can spend 30 minutes facing the camera blabbing about nothing ... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr .... I LOVE THE YOUTUBE VIDEOS TO WATCH VARIOUS HORSES ...
MOST WERE UNAWARE OF #6 HORSE LOSING HIS SADDLE AND STARTED BUCKING AND LOST
HIS RIDER ABOUT HALF WAY INTO THE RACE ...
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Location: Vinton, La. | I'll be in Ruidoso AA weekend. We go just about every year. Not going to the races, been there-done that, hate the crowds, long waits and over priced food and drinks. We get food trays, stay at the house and watch on TV. LOL
Eating places--Jorge's---My favorite. The Ranchers is good as is The Cattle Baron. There is also a little out of the way place called Alto Cafe that is good.
So many things to do! The sale is a MUST! Alamogordo has pistachio farms-YUM. We always make a trip down there, go to Heart Of The Desert Pistachios and Wine store. It rocks! Then if you have time, head up to Cloudcroft (make sure you stop at The Old Apple Barn on the way) and enjoy the sights, sounds, and shops in Cloudcroft. Plan on making this a whole day trip! It's worth it.
Another neat thing to do is go up Ski Run Road! Beautiful drive, ride the gondola lift or zip line!
Make sure you visit the gift shop at the track. And there will be a vender set up kinda past the entrance on the right that sells the coolest bracelets and other jewelry.
If you have time after doing the many things there is to do, ride out to Inn Of The Mountain Gods just to have a drink, soak in the scenery, and relax in the lounge or right outside.
If you need more tips or pointers, let me know! And maybe I'll see you at the sale one night. |
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Barnmom - 2016-08-21 1:01 PM
The Tee Cos passed away, have no idea what happened.
Mexican owners, Mexican trainer... Doesn't take much to figure it out.
Before I get flamed, it's the truth. Last year, the winner collapsed at the end. His connections said he just needed a drink of water. More like they have a cocktail that hasn't been figured out yet so it can't be tested for.
I have to agree with you Stacy. I think they eventually suspend the trainer, nit I m A y be wrong.
I wasn't going to comment. That said, I flat couldn't take anymore. Your statement disgusts me on so many levels it isn't funny.
There is ZERO reason to bring race into this, ZERO. The fact that you did tells me a ton about you.
Please take a few moments and pull the records on the trainers who have horses in race. Pull the suspension records and you tell me if has to do with race.
This was a tragedy and you lumped an entire race of people together to explain it away when you have ZERO idea what happened. I don't know what happened either but I dang sure am not about to say it has anything to go with the race of his connections. That is ignorant, slanderous, and completely uncalled for. |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | kuhlmann - 2016-08-24 8:37 AM total performance - 2016-08-21 4:50 PM SKM - 2016-08-21 3:50 PM Barnmom - 2016-08-21 1:01 PM The Tee Cos passed away, have no idea what happened. Mexican owners, Mexican trainer... Doesn't take much to figure it out. Before I get flamed, it's the truth. Last year, the winner collapsed at the end. His connections said he just needed a drink of water. More like they have a cocktail that hasn't been figured out yet so it can't be tested for. I have to agree with you Stacy. I think they eventually suspend the trainer, nit I m A y be wrong.
There is ZERO reason to bring race into this, ZERO. The fact that you did tells me a ton about you.
Please take a few moments and pull the records on the trainers who have horses in race. Pull the suspension records and you tell me if has to do with race.
This was a tragedy and you lumped an entire race of people together to explain it away when you have ZERO idea what happened. I don't know what happened either but I dang sure am not about to say it has anything to go with the race of his connections. That is ignorant, slanderous, and completely uncalled for.
This horse, Gamey Tee Cos, I would hope they are doing a very serious autopsy on. His trainer just got his license back this summer after being suspended for a year due to a horse testing positive for a cocktail of illegal drugs. I would certainly be suspicious of foul play on this one, simply because past actions do impact and haunt future actions.
But with that said, I agree with Kuhlmann. There's plenty of drug violations across the board for all races of people involved. The TB industry is full of it too. I blame the individuals that treat them like throw-away commodities. Maybe if these racing commissions and organizations would get a little more serious things would change. Right now most of the punishments are slaps on the wrist.
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total performance - 2016-08-21 4:50 PM
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Barnmom - 2016-08-21 1:01 PM
The Tee Cos passed away, have no idea what happened.
Mexican owners, Mexican trainer... Doesn't take much to figure it out.
Before I get flamed, it's the truth. Last year, the winner collapsed at the end. His connections said he just needed a drink of water. More like they have a cocktail that hasn't been figured out yet so it can't be tested for.
I have to agree with you Stacy. I think they eventually suspend the trainer, nit I m A y be wrong.
There is ZERO reason to bring race into this, ZERO. The fact that you did tells me a ton about you.
Please take a few moments and pull the records on the trainers who have horses in race. Pull the suspension records and you tell me if has to do with race.
This was a tragedy and you lumped an entire race of people together to explain it away when you have ZERO idea what happened. I don't know what happened either but I dang sure am not about to say it has anything to go with the race of his connections. That is ignorant, slanderous, and completely uncalled for.
I'm sorry my statement offends you. But let's be honest. The match races held in Mexico are a different world. It's also a different culture that views horses a lot different than most people from the USA do. Most Mexican owners and trainers DO match race and many of these horses with Mexican connections DO have a lot more races than their records from AQHA approved tracks show due to the match racing being a huge deal in that culture. There are no rules in that world and the needle is always used because it's about winning.
If you read my comment as racist, then that's your take, not my intent. Like I said...a different culture and view of horses. There are no rules in Mexico. Horses are beasts of burden and disposal commodities. |
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Barnmom - 2016-08-21 1:01 PM
The Tee Cos passed away, have no idea what happened.
Mexican owners, Mexican trainer... Doesn't take much to figure it out.
Before I get flamed, it's the truth. Last year, the winner collapsed at the end. His connections said he just needed a drink of water. More like they have a cocktail that hasn't been figured out yet so it can't be tested for.
I have to agree with you Stacy. I think they eventually suspend the trainer, nit I m A y be wrong.
There is ZERO reason to bring race into this, ZERO. The fact that you did tells me a ton about you.
Please take a few moments and pull the records on the trainers who have horses in race. Pull the suspension records and you tell me if has to do with race.
This was a tragedy and you lumped an entire race of people together to explain it away when you have ZERO idea what happened. I don't know what happened either but I dang sure am not about to say it has anything to go with the race of his connections. That is ignorant, slanderous, and completely uncalled for.
I'm sorry my statement offends you. But let's be honest. The match races held in Mexico are a different world. It's also a different culture that views horses a lot different than most people from the USA do. Most Mexican owners and trainers DO match race and many of these horses with Mexican connections DO have a lot more races than their records from AQHA approved tracks show due to the match racing being a huge deal in that culture. There are no rules in that world and the needle is always used because it's about winning.
If you read my comment as racist, then that's your take, not my intent. Like I said...a different culture and view of horses. There are no rules in Mexico. Horses are beasts of burden and disposal commodities.
Your statement was most definitely racist. These are AMERICANS running horses.
I firmly believe that statements about bad tests or match racing not need have ethnicity brought them. There are many people many races who participate in match racing and many trainers of many ethnicities who get bad tests.
Your intent was to state that because their race it was obvious that the horse had drugs his system. That implies that everyone of that race dopes their horses and I have a huge issue that implication.
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I know a lot of older, small time owners and breeders that have gotten out of racing because of the...people from south of the American boarder...because they are tired of how the industry has changed from that south of the American border influence. Yes, that influence has kept racing alive and the prices up. No one will deny it nor should they complain. But racing has changed with that influence and in many, many cases...it is not a change for the best. I get that there are bad people of every nationality. But it is easier to get ahold of illegal substances from south of the American border so you can't tell me it doesn't impact racing here. That is where Red Bull originated. Most of the illegal substances found in race horses have originated on the match races in the country of Mexico. They then come from that point of origin onto the American tracks.
I have tried to be as politically correct as possible with this post as to not offend. But having seen the changes first hand over the last 30+ years, you won't shame me into thinking the opinion I've developed is wrong. Sorry. |
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| SKM - 2016-08-25 12:13 PM
I'm not sure how it is racist to refer to someone from Mexico as being Mexican? Just like someone from Canada is Canadian, Australia is Australian, Italy is Italian, America is American, etc.
I know a lot of older, small time owners and breeders that have gotten out of racing because of the...people from south of the American boarder...because they are tired of how the industry has changed from that south of the American border influence. Yes, that influence has kept racing alive and the prices up. No one will deny it nor should they complain. But racing has changed with that influence and in many, many cases...it is not a change for the best. I get that there are bad people of every nationality. But it is easier to get ahold of illegal substances from south of the American border so you can't tell me it doesn't impact racing here. That is where Red Bull originated. Most of the illegal substances found in race horses have originated on the match races in the country of Mexico. They then come from that point of origin onto the American tracks.
I have tried to be as politically correct as possible with this post as to not offend. But having seen the changes first hand over the last 30+ years, you won't shame me into thinking the opinion I've developed is wrong. Sorry.
You said that having a Mexican owner and a Mexican trainer was the only information needed in the death of the horse.
That statement is inappropriate and completely incorrect.
You can attempt to excuse racism however you want to, that doesn't make right or acceptable.
Furthermore, I do not believe that either the owner or trainer is from Mexico. I believe both are Americans. Even if one was from Mexico, it does not excuse your statement or philosophy in any way. As I've said before, I'm ashamed for you.
Your supposed knowledge of the world is grossly out of line with reality if you believe for one second that the ethnicity or country of origin of a horse's connections has ANY correlation to that horse being doped. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | kuhlmann - 2016-08-25 1:56 PM SKM - 2016-08-25 12:13 PM I'm not sure how it is racist to refer to someone from Mexico as being Mexican? Just like someone from Canada is Canadian, Australia is Australian, Italy is Italian, America is American, etc. I know a lot of older, small time owners and breeders that have gotten out of racing because of the...people from south of the American boarder...because they are tired of how the industry has changed from that south of the American border influence. Yes, that influence has kept racing alive and the prices up. No one will deny it nor should they complain. But racing has changed with that influence and in many, many cases...it is not a change for the best. I get that there are bad people of every nationality. But it is easier to get ahold of illegal substances from south of the American border so you can't tell me it doesn't impact racing here. That is where Red Bull originated. Most of the illegal substances found in race horses have originated on the match races in the country of Mexico. They then come from that point of origin onto the American tracks. I have tried to be as politically correct as possible with this post as to not offend. But having seen the changes first hand over the last 30+ years, you won't shame me into thinking the opinion I've developed is wrong. Sorry. You said that having a Mexican owner and a Mexican trainer was the only information needed in the death of the horse.
That statement is inappropriate and completely incorrect.
You can attempt to excuse racism however you want to, that doesn't make right or acceptable.
Furthermore, I do not believe that either the owner or trainer is from Mexico. I believe both are Americans. Even if one was from Mexico, it does not excuse your statement or philosophy in any way. As I've said before, I'm ashamed for you.
Your supposed knowledge of the world is grossly out of line with reality if you believe for one second that the ethnicity or country of origin of a horse's connections has ANY correlation to that horse being doped.
SKM is not a racist
she has a Mexican friend.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | 1DSoon - 2016-08-25 1:57 PM kuhlmann - 2016-08-25 1:56 PM SKM - 2016-08-25 12:13 PM I'm not sure how it is racist to refer to someone from Mexico as being Mexican? Just like someone from Canada is Canadian, Australia is Australian, Italy is Italian, America is American, etc. I know a lot of older, small time owners and breeders that have gotten out of racing because of the...people from south of the American boarder...because they are tired of how the industry has changed from that south of the American border influence. Yes, that influence has kept racing alive and the prices up. No one will deny it nor should they complain. But racing has changed with that influence and in many, many cases...it is not a change for the best. I get that there are bad people of every nationality. But it is easier to get ahold of illegal substances from south of the American border so you can't tell me it doesn't impact racing here. That is where Red Bull originated. Most of the illegal substances found in race horses have originated on the match races in the country of Mexico. They then come from that point of origin onto the American tracks. I have tried to be as politically correct as possible with this post as to not offend. But having seen the changes first hand over the last 30+ years, you won't shame me into thinking the opinion I've developed is wrong. Sorry. You said that having a Mexican owner and a Mexican trainer was the only information needed in the death of the horse.
That statement is inappropriate and completely incorrect.
You can attempt to excuse racism however you want to, that doesn't make right or acceptable.
Furthermore, I do not believe that either the owner or trainer is from Mexico. I believe both are Americans. Even if one was from Mexico, it does not excuse your statement or philosophy in any way. As I've said before, I'm ashamed for you.
Your supposed knowledge of the world is grossly out of line with reality if you believe for one second that the ethnicity or country of origin of a horse's connections has ANY correlation to that horse being doped.
she has a Mexican friend.
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| 1DSoon - 2016-08-25 1:57 PM kuhlmann - 2016-08-25 1:56 PM SKM - 2016-08-25 12:13 PM I'm not sure how it is racist to refer to someone from Mexico as being Mexican? Just like someone from Canada is Canadian, Australia is Australian, Italy is Italian, America is American, etc. I know a lot of older, small time owners and breeders that have gotten out of racing because of the...people from south of the American boarder...because they are tired of how the industry has changed from that south of the American border influence. Yes, that influence has kept racing alive and the prices up. No one will deny it nor should they complain. But racing has changed with that influence and in many, many cases...it is not a change for the best. I get that there are bad people of every nationality. But it is easier to get ahold of illegal substances from south of the American border so you can't tell me it doesn't impact racing here. That is where Red Bull originated. Most of the illegal substances found in race horses have originated on the match races in the country of Mexico. They then come from that point of origin onto the American tracks. I have tried to be as politically correct as possible with this post as to not offend. But having seen the changes first hand over the last 30+ years, you won't shame me into thinking the opinion I've developed is wrong. Sorry. You said that having a Mexican owner and a Mexican trainer was the only information needed in the death of the horse.
That statement is inappropriate and completely incorrect.
You can attempt to excuse racism however you want to, that doesn't make right or acceptable.
Furthermore, I do not believe that either the owner or trainer is from Mexico. I believe both are Americans. Even if one was from Mexico, it does not excuse your statement or philosophy in any way. As I've said before, I'm ashamed for you.
Your supposed knowledge of the world is grossly out of line with reality if you believe for one second that the ethnicity or country of origin of a horse's connections has ANY correlation to that horse being doped.
she has a Mexican friend.
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The Tee Cos passed away, have no idea what happened.
Mexican owners, Mexican trainer... Doesn't take much to figure it out.
Before I get flamed, it's the truth. Last year, the winner collapsed at the end. His connections said he just needed a drink of water. More like they have a cocktail that hasn't been figured out yet so it can't be tested for.
I have to agree with you Stacy. I think they eventually suspend the trainer, nit I m A y be wrong.
There is ZERO reason to bring race into this, ZERO. The fact that you did tells me a ton about you.
Please take a few moments and pull the records on the trainers who have horses in race. Pull the suspension records and you tell me if has to do with race.
This was a tragedy and you lumped an entire race of people together to explain it away when you have ZERO idea what happened. I don't know what happened either but I dang sure am not about to say it has anything to go with the race of his connections. That is ignorant, slanderous, and completely uncalled for.
I'm sorry my statement offends you. But let's be honest. The match races held in Mexico are a different world. It's also a different culture that views horses a lot different than most people from the USA do. Most Mexican owners and trainers DO match race and many of these horses with Mexican connections DO have a lot more races than their records from AQHA approved tracks show due to the match racing being a huge deal in that culture. There are no rules in that world and the needle is always used because it's about winning.
If you read my comment as racist, then that's your take, not my intent. Like I said...a different culture and view of horses. There are no rules in Mexico. Horses are beasts of burden and disposal commodities.
I firmly believe that statements about bad tests or match racing not need have ethnicity brought them. There are many people many races who participate in match racing and many trainers of many ethnicities who get bad tests.
Your intent was to state that because their race it was obvious that the horse had drugs his system. That implies that everyone of that race dopes their horses and I have a huge issue that implication.
Basically, I find your statement subsequent defense of it highly inappropriate and am ashamed for you.
Have to agree with Kuhlman here. The way this was stated it certainly was racist. There are several tracks in E TX where match races are run and a ton in LA. Not every one there is Mexican and not every horse is on drugs. During the QH meet at LA Downs most of the horses in the races are Mexican own/trained. I really don't think they let them run much on drugs there. By the way, the reason that Match racing is ilegal in TX is because of the Parimutual wagering which is illegal |
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| SKM - 2016-08-25 12:13 PM I'm not sure how it is racist to refer to someone from Mexico as being Mexican? Just like someone from Canada is Canadian, Australia is Australian, Italy is Italian, America is American, etc. I know a lot of older, small time owners and breeders that have gotten out of racing because of the...people from south of the American boarder...because they are tired of how the industry has changed from that south of the American border influence. Yes, that influence has kept racing alive and the prices up. No one will deny it nor should they complain. But racing has changed with that influence and in many, many cases...it is not a change for the best. I get that there are bad people of every nationality. But it is easier to get ahold of illegal substances from south of the American border so you can't tell me it doesn't impact racing here. That is where Red Bull originated. Most of the illegal substances found in race horses have originated on the match races in the country of Mexico. They then come from that point of origin onto the American tracks. I have tried to be as politically correct as possible with this post as to not offend. But having seen the changes first hand over the last 30+ years, you won't shame me into thinking the opinion I've developed is wrong. Sorry.
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Location: Vinton, La. | Why not just wait until the real reason this nice colt died is found out before accusations are thrown out?
I've been in the racing industry for a very long time. The drugs are not new to the racing world because of the Mexicans. Drugs have been in racing forever. Social media is just bringing it front and center.
BTW, the owner, trainer, breeder, stallion owners and the farm where Tee Cos stands are devastated. As am I since I know the Louisiana connections to Tee Cos and was looking forward to watching Gamey Tee Cos run in the All American. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Bigtime mistake - 2016-08-25 8:38 PM Why not just wait until the real reason this nice colt died is found out before accusations are thrown out? I've been in the racing industry for a very long time. The drugs are not new to the racing world because of the Mexicans. Drugs have been in racing forever. Social media is just bringing it front and center. BTW, the owner, trainer, breeder, stallion owners and the farm where Tee Cos stands are devastated. As am I since I know the Louisiana connections to Tee Cos and was looking forward to watching Gamey Tee Cos run in the All American.
Yep, and they are some of the best people in the industry. This horse doing well in the All American would have been a huge, well deserved boost to thier farm. I agree that waiting until the authorities find out what killed this horse would be much better than all the rumors and accusations.
As far as the race issue goes, if you have looked at a race program lately you would see that more than half the horses running have hispanic connections. Most of these guys are honest, hardworking people that care deeply about thier horses. I know there are some that cheat and could care less about the well being of thier animals but it's not fair to consider everyone with a hispanic sounding name a cheater. To be honest, there are three trainers on long term suspensions right now, last names Taylor, Smith and Hebert, sounds like white guys to me. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Barnmom - 2016-08-26 9:09 AM Bigtime mistake - 2016-08-25 8:38 PM Why not just wait until the real reason this nice colt died is found out before accusations are thrown out? I've been in the racing industry for a very long time. The drugs are not new to the racing world because of the Mexicans. Drugs have been in racing forever. Social media is just bringing it front and center. BTW, the owner, trainer, breeder, stallion owners and the farm where Tee Cos stands are devastated. As am I since I know the Louisiana connections to Tee Cos and was looking forward to watching Gamey Tee Cos run in the All American. Yep, and they are some of the best people in the industry. This horse doing well in the All American would have been a huge, well deserved boost to thier farm. I agree that waiting until the authorities find out what killed this horse would be much better than all the rumors and accusations.
As far as the race issue goes, if you have looked at a race program lately you would see that more than half the horses running have hispanic connections. Most of these guys are honest, hardworking people that care deeply about thier horses. I know there are some that cheat and could care less about the well being of thier animals but it's not fair to consider everyone with a hispanic sounding name a cheater. To be honest, there are three trainers on long term suspensions right now, last names Taylor, Smith and Hebert, sounds like white guys to me.
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Location: Oklahoma | kuhlmann - 2016-08-25 12:56 PM
SKM - 2016-08-25 12:13 PM
I'm not sure how it is racist to refer to someone from Mexico as being Mexican? Just like someone from Canada is Canadian, Australia is Australian, Italy is Italian, America is American, etc.
I know a lot of older, small time owners and breeders that have gotten out of racing because of the...people from south of the American boarder...because they are tired of how the industry has changed from that south of the American border influence. Yes, that influence has kept racing alive and the prices up. No one will deny it nor should they complain. But racing has changed with that influence and in many, many cases...it is not a change for the best. I get that there are bad people of every nationality. But it is easier to get ahold of illegal substances from south of the American border so you can't tell me it doesn't impact racing here. That is where Red Bull originated. Most of the illegal substances found in race horses have originated on the match races in the country of Mexico. They then come from that point of origin onto the American tracks.
I have tried to be as politically correct as possible with this post as to not offend. But having seen the changes first hand over the last 30+ years, you won't shame me into thinking the opinion I've developed is wrong. Sorry.
You said that having a Mexican owner and a Mexican trainer was the only information needed in the death of the horse.
That statement is inappropriate and completely incorrect.
You can attempt to excuse racism however you want to, that doesn't make right or acceptable.
Furthermore, I do not believe that either the owner or trainer is from Mexico. I believe both are Americans. Even if one was from Mexico, it does not excuse your statement or philosophy in any way. As I've said before, I'm ashamed for you.
Your supposed knowledge of the world is grossly out of line with reality if you believe for one second that the ethnicity or country of origin of a horse's connections has ANY correlation to that horse being doped.
In no way did I take Stacey's original comment as racist. Facts are facts. Look at the world of match racing south of the border. I think you need to step back and take a breath...
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Location: Somewhere between S@%&# stirrer and Saint | I also was not going to comment on this thread but now I can't contain myself LOL. Horse racing is all about greed and prestige. I have seen all sides of it and have done it all also. However, There is one thing I have not done in horse racing. With that said, why are we always speculating? I learned many things at Ruidoso from famous trainers, to jockeys to vets to gate headers. I love going to Ruidoso to watch the fastest horses run down the track. Let me tell you that everyone at Ruidoso tries to get an edge up on the competition. I have witnessed it all at Ruidoso. I will not name names but you would know them all. With that said I will admit I did get in trouble once myself for clenbuterol at Ruidoso for giving out samples and was banned for 2 years.If you think people won't try to get an edge to win over a million dollars you live in lala land. Many owners think their horses are clean but smart trainers don't tell their owners because their job is to win races.
Several years ago I went to the Heritage sale to buy horses to shut the mouth of a person that claimed their sale horses were clean and never got any help to grow them. I had blood pulled on the horses by a vet. I talked to one of the Mexican grooms that worked for the prep farm that I have known for 20 years and he told me what the program of the farm was. Those horses were on a program that would not pass the test barn. No I will not disclose the farm or the person because I told her I would not ever tell anyone so don't PM me.
Let's enjoy the races at Ruidoso and let the test barn do its job and let the chips fall where they may. Good luck horses and jockeys for a safe race.
OBT I ran my last horse 2 years ago clean in a maiden race and was never even close to being competitive! That was its last race.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | The Illegal drug use is not only the race track its in the show ring too. Not only the Mexicans use drugs, I think more white americans are at fault useing drugs on their horses then the Mexicans, just cause their Mexican heritage does not make them all drug users, Heck check out the AQHA suspension list, the Full suspension will make your eyes pop outa of your head seeing all the names. LOL I see names that I know and heard of and I'm like WOW really!!!! |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-08-30 10:06 AM
The Illegal drug use is not only the race track its in the show ring too. Not only the Mexicans use drugs, I think more white americans are at fault useing drugs on their horses then the Mexicans, just cause their Mexican heritage does not make them all drug users, Heck check out the AQHA suspension list, the Full suspension will make your eyes pop outa of your head seeing all the names. LOL I see names that I know and heard of and I'm like WOW really!!!!
AQHA had to drop their suspensions because they didn't hold up in court. Bad tests are bad tests and they're distributed across a variety of ethnicities. |
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Location: The edge of no where | kuhlmann - 2016-08-30 10:40 AM Southtxponygirl - 2016-08-30 10:06 AM The Illegal drug use is not only the race track its in the show ring too. Not only the Mexicans use drugs, I think more white americans are at fault useing drugs on their horses then the Mexicans, just cause their Mexican heritage does not make them all drug users, Heck check out the AQHA suspension list, the Full suspension will make your eyes pop outa of your head seeing all the names. LOL I see names that I know and heard of and I'm like WOW really!!!! AQHA had to drop their suspensions because they didn't hold up in court. Bad tests are bad tests and they're distributed across a variety of ethnicities.
How did they force AQHA not to suspend for bad tests? I thought associations could suspend for whatever they wanted? |
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| MS2011 - 2016-08-30 10:48 AM
kuhlmann - 2016-08-30 10:40 AM Southtxponygirl - 2016-08-30 10:06 AM The Illegal drug use is not only the race track its in the show ring too. Not only the Mexicans use drugs, I think more white americans are at fault useing drugs on their horses then the Mexicans, just cause their Mexican heritage does not make them all drug users, Heck check out the AQHA suspension list, the Full suspension will make your eyes pop outa of your head seeing all the names. LOL I see names that I know and heard of and I'm like WOW really!!!! AQHA had to drop their suspensions because they didn't hold up in court. Bad tests are bad tests and they're distributed across a variety of ethnicities.
AQHA wasn't clear on the rules, there are differences in testing across racing jurisdictions, etc. Long and short? It was a mess. Trainers were getting added and removed, no archive to show you a trainer had ever been suspended just one day they wouldn't be on the list any more.
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| Lovin Life - 2016-08-23 2:41 PM
chasincansMN - 2016-08-23 2:36 PM
Can't wait! We are going for the first time. Any places to go that you suggest? We will be there the 2nd -6th.
Everywhere we've ate has always been good, but Lucy's is our fav Mexican food place. Inn at the Mountain of the Gods is beautiful overlooking the lake. So sad we're missing it this year it's always such a great time. : ) Have fun!!!
Ruidoso is my favorite place! We have a house up there, so we stay away from the big busy weekends but there is so much to do! Just a note, Labor Day weekend will be CROWDED, be prepared!
Food: Rio Grande TapHouse is excellent, they serve craft beer from Cloudcroft (and others), and have a great menu.
Grill Caliente is our favorite spot, they have a front and back patio as well as inside seating.
If you are looking for fancy or steak Ranchers is decent and in town, Texas Club is "the place" to be so get reservations early, and Wendells at the Inn has great service and atmosphere but ive never been wowed with the food. Best Italian is Michael J's but YOU MUST have reservations.
Best lunch spot is the New Cali cafe, but we usually just eat at the track. Excellent breakfast is Log Cabin but if your going get there super early, it stays PACKED (1.5 hr wait usually)
Broken Arrow Taphouse is a new pub/craft beer spot up at the INN of the mountain gods that has the best selection around, wendells lounge has a decent wine selection (also at the inn) and a gorgeous patio to sit out on the lake. Other good drink spots are the irish pub in town out on the patio, or The Cellar Uncorked across the street.
At the races, spend the extra for Turf Club seats if you can get them, the food is better and seats are more comfy (I would say get Jockey Club seats but most owners will be there for the BIG weekend)
Check out the museum right by the track to see the outdoor horse sculptures. Drive up Mechem towards Alto for some amazing views! Check out Grindstone Lake if you head up towards the Inn. There is so much to see and do! Lots of cute shops in town to kill some time if you dont go to the races the whole time.
We go up 2 times a month so I can point you in the right direction for anything :) Have fun! |
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| Lovin Life - 2016-09-05 6:03 PM
Www.raceruidoso.com. They have a live link
I am watching it on RideTV. Looks like a program I filmed with my phone or tablet. LOL Probably as good as online live feed. |
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RACE 10 ALL AMERICAN FUTURITY
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| sodapop - 2016-09-05 6:02 PM
Why is this on RideTV and not a horse racing channel? RideTV is not on many cable or satellite providers. I think it is only on Dish. Anyway, the quality of their filming or whatever makes this look like it was filmed 20 years ago. It looks like a replay of an old show. The graphics, quality of video, etc. looks a little cheap. If it weren't for the fact I recognize the horse names in the race and know Anthony Lucia is a modern day guy I would think this was old. (Anthony is co-hosting.)
If I recall correctly it is on RIDE because tvg was going charge an arm a leg AND you wouldn't have gotten of the back stories or the lead up of 1000 to 1. Honestly, we enjoyed the coverage because they actually talked to trainers owners. They covered more than just the AA.
Maybe I'm too easy to please? I like being told what horses sold for even though I usually either already know it or can find it fast. I thought the interviews were mostly good and easy to follow for people who aren't in the racing industry. I know if it was on TVG we'd get minimal coverage because of the big TB futurities today with the Hopeful and the Del Mar. I did flip back and forth between TVG and RIDE to catch those races, but it was nice knowing I wouldn't have to watch the AA on tape delay because of a $5,000 claimer running as the last race at Saratoga....
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| kuhlmann - 2016-09-05 10:34 PM sodapop - 2016-09-05 6:02 PM Why is this on RideTV and not a horse racing channel? RideTV is not on many cable or satellite providers. I think it is only on Dish. Anyway, the quality of their filming or whatever makes this look like it was filmed 20 years ago. It looks like a replay of an old show. The graphics, quality of video, etc. looks a little cheap. If it weren't for the fact I recognize the horse names in the race and know Anthony Lucia is a modern day guy I would think this was old. (Anthony is co-hosting.) If I recall correctly it is on RIDE because tvg was going charge an arm a leg AND you wouldn't have gotten of the back stories or the lead up of 1000 to 1. Honestly, we enjoyed the coverage because they actually talked to trainers owners. They covered more than just the AA.
Maybe I'm too easy to please? I like being told what horses sold for even though I usually either already know it or can find it fast. I thought the interviews were mostly good and easy to follow for people who aren't in the racing industry. I know if it was on TVG we'd get minimal coverage because of the big TB futurities today with the Hopeful and the Del Mar. I did flip back and forth between TVG and RIDE to catch those races, but it was nice knowing I wouldn't have to watch the AA on tape delay because of a $5,000 claimer running as the last race at Saratoga....
As for your complaints about the grounds, I can't say I noticed. I'm sure RD Hubbard would be happy to hear about how tacky you think his track is.
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Kudos to G.R. Carter. Wasn't it his horse that reared up in the gates? G.R. handled it like it was no big deal. Didn't G.R. retire? Great jockey!
Yes, it was his horse and yes he did retire. He came out of retirement to ride in those few very well paying races. Can't say I blame him. He's a great jockey. |
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sodapop - 2016-09-05 10:21 PM
Kudos to G.R. Carter. Wasn't it his horse that reared up in the gates? G.R. handled it like it was no big deal. Didn't G.R. retire? Great jockey!
Yes, it was his horse and yes he did retire. He came out of retirement to ride in those few very well paying races. Can't say I blame him. He's a great jockey.
I can understand it as well. It has a been a way of life for so long. It would be hard to just walk away from it. Especially if he physically can still ride and compete at the highest level. |
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| Sodapop, the only racing network is TVG. HRTV was purchased by TVG a couple years ago. Finding a major network to cover that race on a holiday I'd wager costs more than it's worth especially if just getting coverage from TVG would have been cost prohibitive.
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There were a number of on the net betting sites that also carried the race for free in trade for your email and some did not even request that ...
AQHA ... controls the tracks qh's run on ... so they put the strong arm on the betting sites to turn the race videos over to AQHA so they could charge $6.95 per month plus membership to view the Q-RACING videos ........ it is probably even more now ... AQHA LOVES THE COLOR GREEN ... lol
AQHA IS LIKE OUR GOVERMENT ... ANYTHING THEY CAN THINK OF TO CHARGE OR TAX YOU FOR ............ THEY DO !!
Try to find out what the salaries are for the top 10 that work at AQHA ...
they will either plead the 5th amendment or do like Obama and Hillary do and say ... I DON'T REMEMBER ...
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| kuhlmann - 2016-09-06 7:43 AM Sodapop, the only racing network is TVG. HRTV was purchased by TVG a couple years ago. Finding a major network to cover that race on a holiday I'd wager costs more than it's worth especially if just getting coverage from TVG would have been cost prohibitive.
By quality are you talking content or actual camera work? I thought the actual program content was very good. I didn't mean a major network like CBS. Not enough people care about Quarter Horse racing for that. I meant the major horse racing networks like HRTV or TVG which come standard with many cable and satellite providers. There are 2 different racing channels on Dish and one on a local cable provider.. I never typed anything about the content of the program. I didn't even watch much of it leading up to the race. That's why I posted asking if the futurity had run yet. I hadn't been watching and couldn't find the race on any racing networks so I thought I had missed the race. I just accidently found it on RideTV while scrolling the guide. I was not even thinking it would be on that channel. RideTV rarely if ever has live programming and most of what is on there is repeated programming. I only mentioned the video quality and graphics looking old and outdated not the content.
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| ksjackofalltrades - 2016-09-06 12:59 PMI tried to tape the episode on Ride TV. All I got to see was a special on the Coopers and then I didn't even get to see the actual race. Why they thought they needed the Coopers on this show I will never know. I missed that...at least at that time.LOL....If it is the show about old horses and a rope horse of theirs, that episode is on there quite often it seems.
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| sodapop - 2016-09-07 3:08 AM
kuhlmann - 2016-09-06 7:43 AM Sodapop, the only racing network is TVG. HRTV was purchased by TVG a couple years ago. Finding a major network to cover that race on a holiday I'd wager costs more than it's worth especially if just getting coverage from TVG would have been cost prohibitive.
By quality are you talking content or actual camera work? I thought the actual program content was very good. I didn't mean a major network like CBS. Not enough people care about Quarter Horse racing for that. I meant the major horse racing networks like HRTV or TVG which come standard with many cable and satellite providers. There are 2 different racing channels on Dish and one on a local cable provider.. I never typed anything about the content of the program. I didn't even watch much of it leading up to the race. That's why I posted asking if the futurity had run yet. I hadn't been watching and couldn't find the race on any racing networks so I thought I had missed the race. I just accidently found it on RideTV while scrolling the guide. I was not even thinking it would be on that channel. RideTV rarely if ever has live programming and most of what is on there is repeated programming. I only mentioned the video quality and graphics looking old and outdated not the content.
HRTV is no more. It was purchased by TVG and is now TVG2. RIDE also aired the Ruidoso and Rainbow futurities and derbies with coverage leading up to the All American. |
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| sodapop - 2016-09-05 6:08 PM Are they allowed to mow and weed it out there? Just wondering. ....big race.... IF I remember correctly(Ha ha! and I ought to, I spent every labor day and lots of summers there as a kid Ha!) there used to be 2 ponds in the infield and it was very pretty and manicured. It hasn't been that way in awhile though. So, maybe what your seeing is still a "wet area?" I looked for it on TV too, but couldn't find it. Hated missing it! But I don't have those channels...
So, who won and what placed?
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Those are the links to the AQHA write up on the Derby and Futurity. The following is a video posted on facebook of the futurity.
https://www.facebook.com/Stallionesearch/?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE
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