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| I have a mare that has been vetted regularly throughout this summer. I've been hauling pretty hard trying to make circuit finals. From the beginning of the year she started doing something odd when she rates a barrel. Its worse on the first barrel (right) then the second and third. Instead of rating straight then making the turn she rates and flips her hip out... Looking like she's dropping her shoulder.... Her hocks were done in February and again in June... and her stifles were just re injected 3 weeks ago. Her suspensorys were checked too... I've done slow work with her and if I can stay two handed all the way into the turn I can keep her rating straight.. BUT you can still see her trying to do it in a video. Anyways I had a chiropractor look at her over the weekend and he feels her pelvis is tilted. I told him all summer I've noticed her resting her hind feet a lot too. I mean more then I've ever noticed. After the adjustment my fiance pointed out her left hip bone was about a 1/4 to half inch lower then the other. Sure enough it was. When she walked too. The processes I am talking about are right on top of her hip. They are called the tuber sacrale. I go back to my vet on Friday. But to get some ideas has anyone eles dealt with uneven tuber sacrale/ hip processes? The reading I found said hunters bump? But i dont know. If your horse had issues with this what was the diagnosis and how was it treated? ETA: her hocks and stifles were done because she flexed positive obviously.
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| Mine is retired. . I was injecting it every two months to keep the pain at bay. SI problems are a bear. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | have vet do a rectal exam and check for a pelvic break. I had to retire my barrel gelding at 6yrs old because of one. I think he did it the winter before he turned 5. Spent a year trying to figure out why he was blowing out of 2nd. He was always back sore and sore over his SI. |
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| Could incorrect shoeing cause this over time maybe?  |
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Location: Bandera, TX | Oh how I wish you were near me. I love working on this type of injury. It is a bear and as others have alluded to you need to rule out a fracture. I have had success doing deep and I mean deep tissue work external and internal on horses that look like yours. I also have chiro work and stretches along with some gymnastic exercises. Get a good deep tissue person in your area to work on your horse. You will likely need a set of stocks. yes, the work is painful and yes the horse will strike out. Get to a good performance vet that can inject P-Block for you into the area.
Are you feeling the horse losing hip control in a circle. If so it's usually on the offending limb while on the outside track. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | sourkiss378 - 2016-08-24 7:46 AM Could incorrect shoeing cause this over time maybe?
Oh YES! |
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| uno-dos-tres! - 2016-08-24 8:46 AM
sourkiss378 - 2016-08-24 7:46 AM Could incorrect shoeing cause this over time maybe?
she's has always been barefoot. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-08-24 11:09 AM uno-dos-tres! - 2016-08-24 8:46 AM sourkiss378 - 2016-08-24 7:46 AM Could incorrect shoeing cause this over time maybe? she's has always been barefoot.
Lets see those feet please. |
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Location: Bandera, TX | I have a feeling she may have a chronically crushed lateral border. |
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| uno-dos-tres! - 2016-08-24 8:45 AM
Oh how I wish you were near me. I love working on this type of injury. It is a bear and as others have alluded to you need to rule out a fracture. I have had success doing deep and I mean deep tissue work external and internal on horses that look like yours. I also have chiro work and stretches along with some gymnastic exercises. Get a good deep tissue person in your area to work on your horse. You will likely need a set of stocks. yes, the work is painful and yes the horse will strike out. Get to a good performance vet that can inject P-Block for you into the area.
Are you feeling the horse losing hip control in a circle. If so it's usually on the offending limb while on the outside track.
Great info thanks. No she feels good during warms up and dry work. The only time I notice anything is at her rate spot. |
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| uno-dos-tres! - 2016-08-24 11:14 AM
I have a feeling she may have a chronically crushed lateral border.
that sounds terrible what is that exactly. |
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| uno-dos-tres! - 2016-08-24 11:12 AM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-08-24 11:09 AM uno-dos-tres! - 2016-08-24 8:46 AM sourkiss378 - 2016-08-24 7:46 AM Could incorrect shoeing cause this over time maybe? she's has always been barefoot.
I can get pictures tonight. Im at work. |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | My gelding becomes uneven frequently. He is kind of a high maintenance horse on keeping him in alignment. After I get his stifles injected, the chiro can basically get it even again. Then I have a massage work on his muscles. His muslce are tight and have poor muscle memory so they are consistently pulling it back out. I think the stifle injections take down some of the inflammation so it is easier to put back. I'm not sure if I will ever get his to stay. If you find something else that works let me know. I have been dealing with this issue for 8 years. |
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Location: Alabama | I had one that started bucking on the pattern (had never bucked before). Had a massage/chiro look at him & she pointed out his hips were uneven. She did an adjustment by pulling his tail as he stepped backwards (I'm sure it's more complicated than that). It popped right back into place & he never bucked again.
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | I don't know if it's the angle of the shot, but it looks like her spine doesn't line up with her tail bone?
Anyways, my cousins mare came to us with this same issue, she is also butt high. Have you had a chiro work on her? After a few sessions, and we did end up injecting a stifle as well, she is back level. She is very mindful of how long she works certain directions. Whichever side she was lower she worked more to build back up. We also made sure her saddle fit, and fixed a few minor things saddle pad wise as well.
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-08-24 11:15 AM
uno-dos-tres! - 2016-08-24 11:12 AM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-08-24 11:09 AM uno-dos-tres! - 2016-08-24 8:46 AM sourkiss378 - 2016-08-24 7:46 AM Could incorrect shoeing cause this over time maybe? she's has always been barefoot. I can get pictures tonight. Im at work.
you know what.. I got to thinking. I'm not going to get pictures because I'm more than competent and know that there's nothing wrong with my horses feet... plus I use the best vets around my area. They'd tell me if something was wrong. Besides I have s great farrier. |
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| SmokinGirlie - 2016-08-24 2:16 PM
I don't know if it's the angle of the shot, but it looks like her spine doesn't line up with her tail bone?
Anyways, my cousins mare came to us with this same issue, she is also butt high. Have you had a chiro work on her? After a few sessions, and we did end up injecting a stifle as well, she is back level. She is very mindful of how long she works certain directions. Whichever side she was lower she worked more to build back up. We also made sure her saddle fit, and fixed a few minor things saddle pad wise as well.
its thr angle. I have a chrio coming next week. |
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-08-24 5:32 PM SmokinGirlie - 2016-08-24 2:16 PM I don't know if it's the angle of the shot, but it looks like her spine doesn't line up with her tail bone?
Anyways, my cousins mare came to us with this same issue, she is also butt high. Have you had a chiro work on her? After a few sessions, and we did end up injecting a stifle as well, she is back level. She is very mindful of how long she works certain directions. Whichever side she was lower she worked more to build back up. We also made sure her saddle fit, and fixed a few minor things saddle pad wise as well.
its thr angle. I have a chrio coming next week.
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | Cowgirl Kat - 2016-08-24 10:16 AM My gelding becomes uneven frequently. He is kind of a high maintenance horse on keeping him in alignment. After I get his stifles injected, the chiro can basically get it even again. Then I have a massage work on his muscles. His muslce are tight and have poor muscle memory so they are consistently pulling it back out. I think the stifle injections take down some of the inflammation so it is easier to put back. I'm not sure if I will ever get his to stay. If you find something else that works let me know. I have been dealing with this issue for 8 years.
I have a feeling my show horse is like this. I wonder if it is stifles. He's only 5. He doesn't ride lame and the things he does gets better when he is in shape. He is a tad higher on one side and checked out fine when we vetted him. |
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Location: Sunny So Cal | wyoming barrel racer - 2016-08-25 7:08 AM Cowgirl Kat - 2016-08-24 10:16 AM My gelding becomes uneven frequently. He is kind of a high maintenance horse on keeping him in alignment. After I get his stifles injected, the chiro can basically get it even again. Then I have a massage work on his muscles. His muslce are tight and have poor muscle memory so they are consistently pulling it back out. I think the stifle injections take down some of the inflammation so it is easier to put back. I'm not sure if I will ever get his to stay. If you find something else that works let me know. I have been dealing with this issue for 8 years. I have a feeling my show horse is like this. I wonder if it is stifles. He's only 5. He doesn't ride lame and the things he does gets better when he is in shape. He is a tad higher on one side and checked out fine when we vetted him.
Mine doesn't ride lame either, just has trouble balancing on tight turns and hard to sit on his butt. He does get better when he is in shape but it is never perfect. I Can't get it to hold for more that 6-8 weeks. Otherwise it can get almost an inch out. Kind of crazy and vets are like, "hmmm thats strange, not sure why it is like that and why you keep having that issue". |
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| SmokinGirlie - 2016-08-25 7:52 AM
WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-08-24 5:32 PM SmokinGirlie - 2016-08-24 2:16 PM I don't know if it's the angle of the shot, but it looks like her spine doesn't line up with her tail bone?
Anyways, my cousins mare came to us with this same issue, she is also butt high. Have you had a chiro work on her? After a few sessions, and we did end up injecting a stifle as well, she is back level. She is very mindful of how long she works certain directions. Whichever side she was lower she worked more to build back up. We also made sure her saddle fit, and fixed a few minor things saddle pad wise as well.
its thr angle. I have a chrio coming next week.
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Location: In my own world | When mine is like that she is out in her SI |
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Location: TEXAS | The horse's body works together and those feet are the foundation of it all;). I think by not being open to the possibility of something being off there you may miss something. Why ask advice then refuse to post pics? It sure is hard to give advice online without seeing things. If you have folks willing to take a quick peek at any part of your horse to help analyze the issue I would be open to that . JMO. Hope you get it figured out. |
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| BarrelStarr - 2016-08-27 4:39 AM The horse's body works together and those feet are the foundation of it all; ). I think by not being open to the possibility of something being off there you may miss something. Why ask advice then refuse to post pics? It sure is hard to give advice online without seeing things. If you have folks willing to take a quick peek at any part of your horse to help analyze the issue I would be open to that . JMO. Hope you get it figured out.
Well in short, I have had my horses looked at head to toe regularly through out the year because of the level of competiton they compete at and if I thought for one second that their feet were an issue I'd post... But they are not. I have a great farrier and awesome vets that would point out if something is wrong with their feet. This back issue is something new... nothing in her feet have changed. Its pointless to take the time to post pictures.. |
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| I went to the vet friday evening.. After a thorough lamness with flexions and the lamesness locator we ruled out any leg issues. She has not had any change in her heat cycles or moods so he feels it is not mare related. He palpated her back and around her SI. It is muscle atrophy not a boney change. She is muscle sore in that area. She has no visual lameness but she does "dog track" with her hip slightly to the left of her front feet. So the plan is we injected her SI and she is going to be put on previcox for 2 weeks. Also one week of methocarbomol (muscle relaxor). I have a lady that does equine body balancing coming out to work on her in the next week. So we shall see...
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Location: TEXAS | At least you have a starting place;). Good luck! |
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| I'm surprised the vet didn't ultrasound her SI ligaments just to rule that out. Obviously they must've not felt the need.
Hope this gets her fixed up. |
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| barrelracinbroke - 2016-08-28 4:59 PM I'm surprised the vet didn't ultrasound her SI ligaments just to rule that out. Obviously they must've not felt the need.
Hope this gets her fixed up.
He did. He ultrasounded before he injected her si. Then he ultrasounded as he did the injection. |
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| WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-08-28 7:49 PM barrelracinbroke - 2016-08-28 4:59 PM I'm surprised the vet didn't ultrasound her SI ligaments just to rule that out. Obviously they must've not felt the need.
Hope this gets her fixed up.
Oh good! I had one tear an SI ligament and it wasn't easy to diagnose. Luckily, 13 months of time off and calculated rehab brought the horse back to placing at pro rodeos again.
Hope yours is fixed up with the injections.
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| barrelracinbroke - 2016-08-28 11:15 PM WetSaddleBlankets - 2016-08-28 7:49 PM barrelracinbroke - 2016-08-28 4:59 PM I'm surprised the vet didn't ultrasound her SI ligaments just to rule that out. Obviously they must've not felt the need.
Hope this gets her fixed up.
Hope yours is fixed up with the injections.
Thanks. I was pretty worried! |
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Location: MO | I am dealing with Hunter's Bump in my young horse now. He is a text book case. Your horse def looks like he/she could be a case as well. Be VERY carefull after being on the previcox for 2 weeks. I went from previcox and off for 2 weeks, chiro adjusted and wqithin 4 weeks was worse than when first looked at. He is now off for 6 months to make sure he is healed properly. The prognosis for hims is great becasue nothing was torn and he passed all lameness exams after 8 weeks recheck. I will keep the chiro up and any other type of therapy I can think of (stretching, magnets, etc). If I knew how to post pics I would. LOL |
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