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Location: TEXAS | What can you do if you find an ad where a horse is not respresented correctly? I assume nothing but thought you might have some good ideas.
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | Put your nose back on your face. 
If someone walks up to you and asks about the horse, ad, or person then tell your side. Otherwise stay out of the drama. |
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Location: Idaho | I have seen this, and I actually got after the owner.
The horse was a big, beautiful paint. I had actually looked at this horse to buy when the original owner who had bred, and raised had him till he was about 8 years old. Unfortunately for her she was making some life changes and she had to sell him. She was honest with me, said he had navicular and had trouble keeping him sound, also he had a lot of get up and go and wasn't for beginners. Well, I'm not a beginner but having already had a navicular horse To take care of, I decided not to buy him. Since that horse was sold.. he has been bought and sold, about 5 times. He was also bought and sold, without proper disclosure. Saying he was good for kids.. no soundness issues. So when I finally saw him go up for sale AGAIN..I messaged the owner and gave him hell, telling him he should sell the horse honestly so they can actually get the horse into a GOOD home where he can be properly taken care of, and actually have a chance. At first he claimed there was nothing wrong and that I had a problems, and I was trying to ruin his sale.. but after a few choice words, he finally admitted that he knew the horse had navicular And just wasn't talking.
I don't know if it changed anything for that horse, but I sure hope so! I hate people who sell horses dishonestly. I'd say something, especially if the horse could hurt somebody. The best defense is an offense, and as a horse community, we need to protect not only each other.. but the horses too.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | DashNDustem - 2016-08-29 11:41 AM I have seen this, and I actually got after the owner. The horse was a big, beautiful paint. I had actually looked at this horse to buy when the original owner who had bred, and raised had him till he was about 8 years old. Unfortunately for her she was making some life changes and she had to sell him. She was honest with me, said he had navicular and had trouble keeping him sound, also he had a lot of get up and go and wasn't for beginners. Well, I'm not a beginner but having already had a navicular horse To take care of, I decided not to buy him. Since that horse was sold.. he has been bought and sold, about 5 times. He was also bought and sold, without proper disclosure. Saying he was good for kids.. no soundness issues. So when I finally saw him go up for sale AGAIN..I messaged the owner and gave him hell, telling him he should sell the horse honestly so they can actually get the horse into a GOOD home where he can be properly taken care of, and actually have a chance. At first he claimed there was nothing wrong and that I had a problems, and I was trying to ruin his sale.. but after a few choice words, he finally admitted that he knew the horse had navicular And just wasn't talking. I don't know if it changed anything for that horse, but I sure hope so! I hate people who sell horses dishonestly. I'd say something, especially if the horse could hurt somebody. The best defense is an offense, and as a horse community, we need to protect not only each other.. but the horses too.
I think it was a good idea to message the seller directly. I would provide proof of how you know they are lying and if they won't admit it then I'm not sure I would necessarily blast them on social media but I would message each person who showed interest in their ad privately and let them decide for themselves. That way your name stays out of it publicly. |
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Location: Kansas | I sold a gelding to a woman with FULL disclosure of every single one of his issues, and gal still bought him. She then turned around and listed him on BHW a day later stating he was perfect and had absolutely no issues, and nothing bothered him.
She drugged him, and sold him to an older woman a few weeks later. The horse ended up dumping the woman, so the woman called me asking about his issues....so I told her everything.
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Formerly Horse
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Location: TEXAS | Well I owned the horse for years so I am concerned. Ad is on this site so I will never know who is interested. I guess if anyone contacts me in the future I can just fill them in. A couple years back I had a gal buy a nutty no good mare from me for $1000 and put her all over FB for $10,000 with MY pics! Luckily I got her ads shut down and I do know she finally sold her for $1500 and she promptly flipped over with that buyer. Now she is a broodmare. Thanks for the suggestions. |
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Location: Silver Lake, MN | This is why I research until I am blue in the face...I will google, I will FB stalk I will do whatever I can to figure out as much as I can about any horse I am looking to buy. It is getting to be so hard these days but if sellers do their research, ask questions you will usually be okay. |
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| CarrieH77 - 2016-08-29 1:31 PM This is why I research until I am blue in the face...I will google, I will FB stalk I will do whatever I can to figure out as much as I can about any horse I am looking to buy. It is getting to be so hard these days but if sellers do their research, ask questions you will usually be okay.
This ^^. If I know something about a horse that is not disclosed or been misrepresented and know the buyer, I will contact the buyer and say be sure to ask about a b c, etc. I don't want to see a friend get taken. We have never bought a horse without contacting previous owners. |
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Location: Cap'n Joan Rotgut.....alberta | Unless the previous owner wont respond. ..had that happen..i just wanted a little back story and the girl won't respond at all..not even a f you...lol....m |
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Location: Western performance horse Hades | The flip side is you can be sued for interferring with a business deal. I wrote an article on this a couple of months back for Barrel Horse News. |
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Location: Silver Lake, MN | It is amazing as a buyer what you can find out if you do a little research...and what people will say if you go look on their pages on FB. FB has helped me a lot...I don't think people always think about what they are posting sometimes. Plus calling previous owners is awesome. I also am not afraid to ask around about the horse or current owner. There are some reputable sellers out there! |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | zipper - 2016-08-29 1:45 PM The flip side is you can be sued for interferring with a business deal. I wrote an article on this a couple of months back for Barrel Horse News.
Under what circumstances? |
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Location: WYOMING | Once upon a time there was this horse who had gone thru 4 trainers. The owner called me and I politely said no thanks. I love a challenge but I use the word trainers above loosely and I wasn't going to be associated with this drama. I also know this horse had a couple of major health issues.
I saw the ad on BHW and man this horse became the most healthy best riding horse around... hmmmm
Nothing I could do, however I don't have much to do with the owner since then. |
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| I guess it depends on the people, location, if you know who's interested ect. which sometimes sucks! Young girl I know bought a horse who is well bred and a 1D horse, ended up having navicular. Turns out the first owners had tons of xrays and info on it and sold him full disclosure, second owners lied straight to this poor girl! But I get in serious detective mode when it comes to buying, I find old owners, sale ads, videos, friends of the old owners ect! Even if the horse is young I want to know where it came from and if it has been passed around and why! I'm pretty good at researching now so a lady asked me to find where her horse was from. Found a ton of people that had jump rode him and had videos and pictures praising him but when personal messaged, said they hated him and he bucked and had issues which is why he was sold! So don't just see the pictures, but ask about them too! |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | you're always safe with minding your own business.
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| BarrelStarr - 2016-08-29 1:02 PM
Well I owned the horse for years so I am concerned. Ad is on this site so I will never know who is interested. I guess if anyone contacts me in the future I can just fill them in. A couple years back I had a gal buy a nutty no good mare from me for $1000 and put her all over FB for $10,000 with MY pics! Luckily I got her ads shut down and I do know she finally sold her for $1500 and she promptly flipped over with that buyer. Now she is a broodmare. Thanks for the suggestions.
Doesn't sound like she needs to be a broodmare! |
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Location: here | Contact previous owners. If spending significant money you cant afford to lose vet check, vet check, vet check! If someone asks I will tell them what I know about a horse.
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| As hard as it may be I would mind my own business. A diligent buyer will do their homework and it should surface. Otherwise they didn't do their due-diligence or are not buying smart. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I just mine my own bussiness unless its affecting me are my family.  |
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| That is frustrating. It would eat me up to see that but I would probably not say anything unless I said something to the seller directly OR if someone I was close to showed interested I would sing like a song bird. Just being honest lol. |
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| This might sound really bratty but:
Honestly I hate it when people contact me about a horse that I have already sold and expect me to send videos, vet records, etc for free.
If a buyer calls me and ask how much it would cost for full disclosure, that's great, but I have a really busy time schedule and can't afford to go digging through the archives for free.
If a buyer calls me and asks what I did with the horse, depending on how I feel about the horse or experiences I had, I might take a few minutes, but I'll likely politely pass.
Mostly, I just really want to be left out of other people horse deals, and I certainly won't go out of my way to go looking for trouble.
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| If someone has questions about a horse I owned previously, I don't mind answering. I won't send videos, pictures or vet records. I would answer the questions for the good of the horse. I know how frustrating it can be trying to figure out new horses and any help is always appreciated by me. I AM NOT sticking my nose into someone else's horse deal. You are responsible for your own research, but I will answer questions honestly, if contacted. |
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Location: That part of Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2016-08-29 1:58 PM zipper - 2016-08-29 1:45 PM The flip side is you can be sued for interferring with a business deal. I wrote an article on this a couple of months back for Barrel Horse News. Under what circumstances?
Depends on what state you live in and what their laws are regarding this area of dealings/contracts. Some states provide that any interference with a business relationship can be sued upon by the party suing would have to prove quite a bit to get there in court. Usually a good fact question that has to be answered is if the parties would have actually contracted without the interference and that can be hard to say "yes" to when you are just inquiring about the horse. Secondly, if you do interfere with a sale/contract on a sale, you may be entitled to assert a legal defense or privilege that you did so to prevent one of the parties (the person buying) from being harmed because you knew of the false advertisement and reported it. If it goes that far, you better have good proof backing up what you've said or you might be in trouble.
Moral of the story is if you are going to say something, be sure you have a way to back up or otherwise prove what you know and if you can, try to keep it on the down low so it's hard to be tracked if you do speak up. If someone is truly trying to sell a defunct horse and is clearly misleading people with the advertisement, you'll probably be okay in the end but you might be looking at a lengthy court battle to get free and clear.
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Location: Ky | Every horse I've ever seen for sale on the internet that I had knowledge about was lied about in the ad. Every single one. With the obvious exception being unbroke and unridden youngsters. And even some of them have been misrepresented.
What's the lesson? There's a reason they are being sold on the internet. You don't have to sell proven horses on the internet. When we still showing we had two great horse, {that we still own today}. Neither was for sale. But it was the rare week that went by without someone trying to buy one or both of them.
There's a horse I've been trying to buy for 3 years now. The owner keeps telling me that he's not for sale. And I'm not the only one in line for that horse.
If he popped up on the internet for sale today I would be very leery of buying him.
And I learned this lesson the way most lessons are learned, the hard way.
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Location: NeverLand | All I can say is that is it frustrating to see! Their is a young girl in my area that bough a 3 year old and he was out of her league. Now he has major bucking issues and is considered "dangerous". She has him for sale on our local facebook pages. she says she is selling him because she "no longer has time for him". Doesn't say anything about him be a nasty rank bucker. Then its like what do you do, when you know she is a dishonest horse seller. I guess walk away...? |
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| If the post is like "100% sound" and the horse isn't, obviously that's an issue. I DONT think that people should have to put all the bad in the post because honestly, no one would be interested. As long as they tell people about the issues when they are called/messaged. I have an issue with previous owners who haven't seen the horse in years and expect them to still have nasty quirks that they let them get away with so they start messaging everyone commenting on the ad that the horse has issues when seller is letting people know about previous probs through pm. UGH. Sorry, rant..Mind your own business. Hopefully sellers will be honest, if not buyer can do their research and get vet checks. |
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Location: Washington | Not my circus, not my monkeys.
If someone contacts me about said horse, then I would tell what I know....and even that can be a double edge sword. |
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Location: East Texas | GLP - 2016-08-30 10:34 AM
If someone has questions about a horse I owned previously, I don't mind answering. I won't send videos, pictures or vet records. I would answer the questions for the good of the horse. I know how frustrating it can be trying to figure out new horses and any help is always appreciated by me. I AM NOT sticking my nose into someone else's horse deal. You are responsible for your own research, but I will answer questions honestly, if contacted.
I would think that in someone's diligent research, contacting a previous owner would fall under that research. If previous owners aren't willing to take at least a little time to tell what they know about the horse when THEY owned it, it can be a little frustrating. Thank you for taking the time to at least discuss the horse! |
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When you see a horse for sale with lies in the ad?