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| I have a 6 yr old race bred gelding that stands 16'2 and has a narrower frame , very racey looking. He looks awesome from a side view, super shiny and healthy, no ribs showing, good topline. However, if you look at him from behind he looks like his hips are sunken, big dimples on the sides, not rounded. He's UTD on everything, sound, the vet said it's just his conformation that he's healthy. 1# of renew gold, 2 flakes of alfalfa, a flake of coastal plus pasture daily. I've seen other horses built like him but it freaks my daughter out bc it looks different than all our other horses. His dam does have an ugly butt, not sure about his sire.
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Location: Dearing, GA | I had a horse way back when that I was having real difficulty getting her muscles to develop in her rear. I start trotting and loping circles on a slope/hillside. Whenever we started downwards, I'd keep her really collected and not let her just race down the hill. After a month of this exercise, there was a big difference in her hindquarters.
ETA: I would also tell your daughter that it doesn't matter if he's purple with green dots and two heads. If he's clocking the way she wants him to and she's happy with him, that's all that matters. It really may just be his conformation!
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Location: California | My 4yr old has butt dimples on the back of his cheeks. Lol |
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| Serenity06 - 2016-08-30 11:19 AM
My 4yr old has butt dimples on the back of his cheeks. Lol
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| I think I know what you mean - kind of like the hooks and pins on a cow is what he looks like from behind. I work at a Standardbred harness racing track and a lot of them are built like that. I'll see if I can find a picture. |
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Location: Aubrey, Texas | classicpotatochip - 2016-08-30 10:32 AM
This I gotta see. Pictures?
Me, too. I can't quite grasp the concept, lol. Are you talking about what they used to call "poverty creases"? 
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| cloverleaf - 2016-08-30 12:40 PM
classicpotatochip - 2016-08-30 10:32 AM
This I gotta see. Pictures?
Me, too. I can't quite grasp the concept, lol. Are you talking about what they used to call "poverty creases"?
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Location: Aubrey, Texas | Let me see if I can find a pic of what I'm talking about- I might be totally off- OK, this horse is old-time QH and is obviously heavier than what you're talking about, plus the pic is pretty dark, but you can see the creases in his rear end-
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| cloverleaf - 2016-08-30 12:43 PM
Let me see if I can find a pic of what I'm talking about- I might be totally off- OK, this horse is old-time QH and is obviously heavier than what you're talking about, plus the pic is pretty dark, but you can see the creases in his rear end-
Yea this horse is a hoss! My guy is tall and lanky. What I'm referring to is the side of the hip, not the backside. Darn my technological challenged arse. |
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Location: Aubrey, Texas | OK- does he have kind of an "hourglass figure"? Bigger at the top, narrows, then gets bigger through the stifles? If so, that's fine. Bonus points if he's bigger through the stifle area than the top of the hip. Plus, he should fill out some more- some horses are just slower to fully mature.
Don't worry about being challenged- I learned my horse terminology from my dad and it is quite colorful, to say the least.
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| cloverleaf - 2016-08-30 12:58 PM
OK- does he have kind of an "hourglass figure"? Bigger at the top, narrows, then gets bigger through the stifles? If so, that's fine. Bonus points if he's bigger through the stifle area than the top of the hip. Plus, he should fill out some more- some horses are just slower to fully mature.
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Location: In The Snow, AZ | The horse directly above looks just like my thoroughbred gelding. Just kinda "sunken" in the middle. I was hoping it would fill out, and it may as mines only 6 as well. But he is racey built. Could just be how he stays. As long as he's healthy, what does it really matter? |
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Location: Aubrey, Texas | That's just more a difference of being a runway model and being a gymnast. Tell you daughter he has the Calvin Klein look- |
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| WiscoRacer - 2016-08-30 1:06 PM
You can sort of see it in this horse - is this what you're talking about?
Yes this is exactly what I'm talking about! His dam is a daughter of runaway winner out of Sinn Fein mare which I don't know anything about. His sire is all QH but I only saw pics of him as a 2 yr old. He was big and rounded. Thank you! |
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| classicpotatochip - 2016-08-30 2:47 PM
More calories, more protein, and more low slow excercise.
I'm adding rice bran today |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | How is the top line on him? Does his back bone show any?
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-08-30 2:54 PM
How is the top line on him? Does his back bone show any?
No not at all |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-08-30 2:56 PM
Do you need someone to post pictures for you? I will, just let me know and I will pm my email to you.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | iloveequine40 - 2016-08-30 3:08 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-08-30 2:56 PM Do you need someone to post pictures for you? I will, just let me know and I will pm my email to you. Someone has already offered thank you! I just sent them : )
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| ~BINGO~ - 2016-08-30 1:15 PM
The horse directly above looks just like my thoroughbred gelding. Just kinda "sunken" in the middle. I was hoping it would fill out, and it may as mines only 6 as well. But he is racey built. Could just be how he stays. As long as he's healthy, what does it really matter?
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Location: Arkansas | I thought you meant fat dimples like my wide loads!!! |
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Location: Deep South | That's some pretty severe muscle atrophy on the right side. Have you considered testing for EPM? |
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| BamaCanChaser - 2016-08-31 8:10 AM
That's some pretty severe muscle atrophy on the right side. Have you considered testing for EPM?
Yes I've been researching it. |
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| BamaCanChaser - 2016-08-31 8:10 AM
That's some pretty severe muscle atrophy on the right side. Have you considered testing for EPM?
He has an appt today at 3 |
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Location: Deep South | iloveequine40 - 2016-08-31 10:13 AM
BamaCanChaser - 2016-08-31 8:10 AM
That's some pretty severe muscle atrophy on the right side. Have you considered testing for EPM?
He has an appt today at 3
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | He looks on the poor side to me. When was the last time you had his teeth floated? Maybe you need to up his feed.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-08-31 10:35 AM
Looks to me that horse looks a bit on the poor side, what type of feed and hay is he getting? When was the last time you had his teeth floated?
He gets daily renew gold 1#, alfalfa 2x daily, it's quality, and coastal plus pasture. He's wormed regularly, teeth done in March. I have 6 horses and he's the only on that looks like this. I added rice bran back into his diet yesterday. It's been so humid and he sweats profusely everyday, much more than the others. He's very well taken care of I just feel like I'm missing something I can't see. I've suspected epm for a few weeks but sometimes over think things |
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| BamaCanChaser - 2016-08-31 10:28 AM
iloveequine40 - 2016-08-31 10:13 AM
BamaCanChaser - 2016-08-31 8:10 AM
That's some pretty severe muscle atrophy on the right side. Have you considered testing for EPM?
He has an appt today at 3
Keep us posted! : )
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | Southtxponygirl - 2016-08-31 10:35 AM He looks on the poor side to me. When was the last time you had his teeth floated? Maybe you need to up his feed.
I agree. He isn't starving just not full. I also agree that he is off and it is possible that there is an issue somewhere. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I'm interested in this as well. I have lots of dimples on my ass and want to get rid of them. |
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| cowgalsissy - 2016-08-31 11:57 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2016-08-31 10:35 AM He looks on the poor side to me. When was the last time you had his teeth floated? Maybe you need to up his feed.
I agree. He isn't starving just not full. I also agree that he is off and it is possible that there is an issue somewhere.
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| Bear - 2016-08-31 12:05 PM
I'm interested in this as well. I have lots of dimples on my ass and want to get rid of them.
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Location: Aubrey, Texas | This is only speculation because I am going off of photos and they can fool you- but could he be really out in his pelvis? The picture appears to be taken from perfectly behind, but if you follow the darker streak in his tail it veers off to the right as it nears the top. So does the darker area of his topline. Also, if you look at the first picture, you can see a small trace of his left side- due to the way that light is hitting it, it shows up as a thin, lighter colored area above (behind) the darker shadowed area of the crease in his back. Does that make sense? It might explain the hollow area in his hip. I don't know if it would explain why he isn't thrifty in general- my back is crooked (scoliosis) and trust me, I don't have any hollow places. . .
Whatever it is, I hope the vet can give you some answers and you get him on the mend!
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| cloverleaf - 2016-08-31 12:15 PM
This is only speculation because I am going off of photos and they can fool you- but could he be really out in his pelvis? The picture appears to be taken from perfectly behind, but if you follow the darker streak in his tail it veers off to the right as it nears the top. So does the darker area of his topline. Also, if you look at the first picture, you can see a small trace of his left side- due to the way that light is hitting it, it shows up as a thin, lighter colored area above (behind) the darker shadowed area of the crease in his back. Does that make sense? It might explain the hollow area in his hip. I don't know if it would explain why he isn't thrifty in general- my back is crooked (scoliosis) and trust me, I don't have any hollow places. . .
Whatever it is, I hope the vet can give you some answers and you get him on the mend!
I hadn't noticed what you are suggesting but can see what you're talking about.
My vet is going to do lameness exam first and I'll ask him to look at that.
I would like to say thank you to everyone who has responded in such a constructive way without criticism. My daughter was worried I would get slammed. I genuinely don't know what is going on I just know something is not right.
The profuse sweating really bothers me bc he seems to draw up on really hot days. He has salt rocks and I put salt in his daily feeding. He drinks a lot of water but I don't know... |
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Neurologic exam
Complete Blood Count/diff
Chemistry profile and electrolyte panel
Fecal exam
Flexion lameness exam
Teeth checked
Sending off for epm test even though vet is highly doubtful he has it
Everything in his blood work well within normal range, kidney, liver all good.
His fecal showed some worms, gonna power pac
Discussed his diet/exercise etc
While he is healthy he needs more food. Basically he's one of those horses who can eat A LOT and not get fat. As a woman, I'm jealous. He suggested adding Purina amplify to the renew gold to help him gain weight. Awaiting epm results, if negative, recheck weight progress in 2 months |
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| iloveequine40 - 2016-08-30 6:01 AM
I have a 6 yr old race bred gelding that stands 16'2 and has a narrower frame , very racey looking. He looks awesome from a side view, super shiny and healthy, no ribs showing, good topline. However, if you look at him from behind he looks like his hips are sunken, big dimples on the sides, not rounded. He's UTD on everything, sound, the vet said it's just his conformation that he's healthy. 1# of renew gold, 2 flakes of alfalfa, a flake of coastal plus pasture daily. I've seen other horses built like him but it freaks my daughter out bc it looks different than all our other horses. His dam does have an ugly butt, not sure about his sire.
Any exercises we can do to build those outer butt muscles?
One read of your starting the post and it was clear a grown horse needs much more feed than he is getting. 1# is about 8-10#'s off. Standard on any feed sack you read is 1% of body weight ... 1000# horse ='s 10#'s / day.
Then I saw his pictures .. one look and you could see he was wormy ... hair condition on body, mane and tail.... lacked that bloom you should see on a horse with a good worming program.
Keep in mind on a power pack ... you do the 5 days of double strength Safe Guard or Panacur and then in 10 days you give ivermectin and then at 30 days you give Quest ... this is the original power pack sequence until people found out that they just spent ~$100 on worming one horse. So, they began to leave the last two wormers out of the regime forgetting the 5 day power pack only deals with 3 types of round worms.
You spent a lot of money and concern on tests and vetting .. horse and vet thanks you!!
What is the pedigree of this horse??
I see several conformation flaws that shows some very old fashioned TB characteristics and then cutting working horse conformation which is common when the two are mixed and neither is dominant ..
Just for fun.. let's see what his pedigree looks like .. you can do one on allbreed very easily.
Conformation critique with my 3rd eye ... (auto correct is having fun with this grrrr)
SIDE VIEW:
You can see the old fashion TB with his high withers and he appears to have a thick neck as it hits his chest rather low. Then it turns into a heavy qh chest and shoulder and would guess he stands behind himself if shown in a halter stance.
LENGTH OF BACK TO POINT OF HIP TO TAIL:
He has a weak croup and from the peak of pelvis to tail does not leave him with much to build on.
Same with tail to point of hip leaves a vacant area on each side of the back bone which can be fixed with a good feeding and exercise program. This horse is in pasture condition per the photos. Due to the above conformation faults you have a larger setback flank area so it appears as a half moon of flat muscling from the TB mix ...
This horse does not have the hour glass configuration you look for on qh's that need to power out of turns and keep his skeleton intact at the same time.
Take a look at his nice bulge of muscle at his shoulder.... the muscle bulge over his stifle should be equal or a little stouter when in shape (note how low and un-muscled his stifle is). Look at a horses skeleton and you will see that only muscles and ligaments holds his frame intact .. this is the reason conformation is so important with barrel horses!!
You will also notice that his buttock muscles do not flow right down into his gaskins .. the buttock muscle ends and then the gaskins are separate muscles ... in my area .. we call this a turkey legged horse. Think of a smoked turkey leg for the upper portion to his gaskins ..
If you intend to run barrels on this horse and stay sound .. concentrate on getting him legged up and well conditioned including a heavier feeding, worming and exercise program out in the pasture on pleasure rides a couple of hours 3 days per week.
You will do fine so no worries or concern here ..
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| Let's have some fun with hour glasses and butt creases and what a balanced conformation looks like on a racing bloodlines that can also do speed events ..
A balanced conformation is just that ... the horse belongs to himself from his nose to the tip of his tail. Also judging the height can be deceiving until you walk up to the horse and realize he is much taller than you thought from a distance.
This is CORONAS BIG GUN a colt I had taken pride in when he was born!! His sire was bid out at $300,000 at the Ruidoso Select yearling sale and he got a shoulder injury enroute to his new owners barn. Insurance company forced the attempt at running him on the track with their approval of trainer and jockey before they would payoff.
His dam is one of those few tuff fast mares that can run 550 yds in the 90's at different tracks against the boys.
I took great care of this colt hoping he would live up to his bloodlines and as you well know how things happen for no reason .. .. tragedy struck when he was 22 months old and 3 vets combined their efforts for a diagnosed case of extreme EMP .. to no avail ... after 9 days being down and suspended he had totally lost any contact with his legs. We made the rainbow bridge decision with much regret ..
I think as you look at his conformation and the look of eagles in his eyes along with his powerful gliding stride he had the potential of being great ...
will step down to post his DIMPLES .. LOL
Gunner stands 15.1 HH .. in June of 2015 .. thanks to windows 10 I have not found his more recent pictures .. yet)
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| #43 Depicts his balanced conformation along with the hour glass configuration and equal muscling at shoulder and stifle along with his buttock muscles flowing down into his gaskins ..
and his (Northern Dancer buttock crease)
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| #50 ....A good look at his straight rear end along with a good look at his hour glass and how his buttock muscles flow right down into his gaskins with a well rounded rump ..
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| #52 .... a good uniform rear where he stands under the point of his hips and has pasterns at correct angles and short cannons showing off his longer upper leg which determines length of stride on a horse ..
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all I can say is ... how good this would have looked crossed on barrelhorse bloodlines if things had gone the way I was thinking ..
sometimes God has other plans ..
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| Thank you Dr. Barrelhorse USA. You seem to have a vast amount of knowledge. You seem to KNOW everything and are so competent in drawing inaccurate conclusions. Once again your commentary on one of my posts isn't intended to help, but to try to make me feel stupid. Too bad your so obnoxiously condescending or I'd be more inclined to take your advice.
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| iloveequine40 - 2016-09-04 9:15 PM
Thank you Dr. Barrelhorse USA. You seem to have a vast amount of knowledge. You seem to KNOW everything and are so competent in drawing inaccurate conclusions. Once again your commentary on one of my posts isn't intended to help, but to try to make me feel stupid. Too bad your so obnoxiously condescending or I'd be more inclined to take your advice.
I'm not usually one to defend BHUSA, but in this case, I think you're wrong. I didn't read him being condescending or meaningfully unhelpful.
I agree that power packing, lots of food, and I still think lots of low slow excercise would be the best.
Looking at your picture his conformation leads him to always be slender and lanky, which was the point to BHUSAs exhaustive posts.
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| classicpotatochip - 2016-09-05 11:18 AM
iloveequine40 - 2016-09-04 9:15 PM
Thank you Dr. Barrelhorse USA. You seem to have a vast amount of knowledge. You seem to KNOW everything and are so competent in drawing inaccurate conclusions. Once again your commentary on one of my posts isn't intended to help, but to try to make me feel stupid. Too bad your so obnoxiously condescending or I'd be more inclined to take your advice.
I'm not usually one to defend BHUSA, but in this case, I think you're wrong. I didn't read him being condescending or meaningfully unhelpful.
I agree that power packing, lots of food, and I still think lots of low slow excercise would be the best.
Looking at your picture his conformation leads him to always be slender and lanky, which was the point to BHUSAs exhaustive posts.
Just take everyone here with a grain of salt.
Barrel horse USA drove around the block to many times with his tongue sticking out before pulling in the drive. A little bit of kindness and humility would serve a lot better :)
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He has a lot of atrophy on top of his hip and on the side, both places you've marked. It could be nuerologic (EPM affects the RH first), could be a spinal injury,
could be injury to the hip area itself
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| Liana D - 2016-09-06 8:10 AM
It really doesn't matter what your horse's conformation is.
He has a lot of atrophy on top of his hip and on the side, both places you've marked. It could be nuerologic (EPM affects the RH first), could be a spinal injury,
could be injury to the hip area itself
could be from severe soreness in the lower leg, like arthritis in stifle or hock.
I would do more investigating.
Actually expressed this concern of atrophy specifically to my vet (another partner was present) neither of them thought it was atrophy. We sent off for epm test per my request anyway. |
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I don't play the name calling game either ... if you don't like my analysis of a horse present facts, pedigree and pictures and join in on an open discussion.
This 'woe is me' I am a victim doesn't work either.
Being able to determine the conformational good and bad at a horse sale and evaluating the bad in the first 10 seconds is a good thing. It sure beats discovering things after you get your purchase home.
My simple method ... have a mental list of unacceptable traits and if horse has one of them ... close my eyes and let someone else purchase the horse.
As we all know when it comes to skinny or a horse not showing any bloom there are several common reasons for the horse's condition whether at a sale or standing in your own pasture. .. Recovering from a disease or injury, bad worming program, lack of feed, age or teeth problems.
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