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| A friend of mine has a 14 year old gelding that in the past couple of days has been refusing to work the pattern. He has never done this. Her husband videoed her yesterday while working him. When she watched the video she seen him squirting urine on the pattern. She asked her husband to watch the video to make sure she wasn't seeing things and he seen it to. Any info would help! She called her vet and made an appointment. Vet said that is a sign of severe pain. Thank you in advance for any help! |
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| Get a urinanalysis done and a culture, ask for a in and out catheter, it is more reliable then a catch.
Could be a bladder infection, or kidney stones |
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| OK I will tell her. She said his urine looks clear and has a normal smell. I have never seen one do this. I seen the video and he is really squirting alot out. Thank you! |
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| Yes get his urine checked. My mare was doing this and she had calcium build up to point of kidney stones, so painful they can't relieve their bladder all the way so it is forced out when running. My vet did a cathered with dog medicine to break down the calcium . I give her bucca leaves in her feed at night to flush out her bladder. She is getting better, I also give 3cc lasix two hrs before I run so she will flush out. |
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| What happens if it is stones? |
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| ladyjockey - 2016-09-02 5:07 PM
Yes get his urine checked. My mare was doing this and she had calcium build up to point of kidney stones, so painful they can't relieve their bladder all the way so it is forced out when running. My vet did a cathered with dog medicine to break down the calcium . I give her bucca leaves in her feed at night to flush out her bladder. She is getting better, I also give 3cc lasix two hrs before I run so she will flush out.
Oh man I was afraid it might be his kidneys. He is eating goof and drinking and looks awesome but he does not want to work the pattern. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | ladyjockey - 2016-09-03 3:07 PM
Yes get his urine checked. My mare was doing this and she had calcium build up to point of kidney stones, so painful they can't relieve their bladder all the way so it is forced out when running. My vet did a cathered with dog medicine to break down the calcium . I give her bucca leaves in her feed at night to flush out her bladder. She is getting better, I also give 3cc lasix two hrs before I run so she will flush out.
Can you tell me more on this? The medicine they flushed with? My mare has kidney stones, had a massive bladder stone we had removed almost 2 years ago. A month ago she passed some horrrible looking stuff when she urinated, took her in and she had a bladder infection, no stones when we ultra sounded, blood work came back good for everything including Creatine and Bunn. Also, Bucca leaves, where did you pick those up at? Thank you in advance.
Oh, just caught Lasix, how does that flush her out? Dont' you have to withhold water when you give Lasix?
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Location: 31 lengths farms | mmfarms - 2016-09-03 3:10 PM
What happens if it is stones?
Bladder stones they can remove via Lithrotripsy or going in thru the abdomen. We had the lithrotripsy done on CC. Kidney's they don't know a lot about. I followed an herbal regimen for my mare as she had both the bladder stones and kidney stones and the vets weren't wanting to do the bladder stone surgery seeing as they felt they were merely a symptom of the bigger issue which was the kidneys .
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| run n rate - 2016-09-02 6:18 PM
mmfarms - 2016-09-03 3:10 PM
What happens if it is stones?
Bladder stones they can remove via Lithrotripsy or going in thru the abdomen. We had the lithrotripsy done on CC. Kidney's they don't know a lot about. I followed an herbal regimen for my mare as she had both the bladder stones and kidney stones and the vets weren't wanting to do the bladder stone surgery seeing as they felt they were merely a symptom of the bigger issue which was the kidneys .
Could it be from pain somewhere else? He reared up with her and she swatted him once with her over and under and her husband said he squirted urine when she swatted him. I am surprised she swatted him.....she babies him. |
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Location: Florida.. | Kidneys or bladder infection or stones .. id not work him until she figures it out. |
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| Bibliafarm - 2016-09-02 8:59 PM
Kidneys or bladder infection or stones .. id not work him until she figures it out.
vet told her no working or riding him until he sees him. She is so worried and upset. He is the "same run everytime" horse and he has never acted like this. |
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| Today she called a friend of hers that is a vet....just does not specialize in equine and he said it could be EPM...or west nile? Seriously? Now she is a basket case. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | mmfarms - 2016-09-03 12:51 PM Today she called a friend of hers that is a vet....just does not specialize in equine and he said it could be EPM...or west nile? Seriously? Now she is a basket case.
And this is why vets should stick with what they know instead of arm chairing a diagnosis. |
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| Nevertooold - 2016-09-03 11:39 AM mmfarms - 2016-09-03 12:51 PM Today she called a friend of hers that is a vet....just does not specialize in equine and he said it could be EPM...or west nile? Seriously? Now she is a basket case. And this is why vets should stick with what they know instead of arm chairing a diagnosis.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Has she checked him for beans? |
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Location: Florida | I had a problem with this but it was an EPM survivor. He lived 12 years after treatment but the bladder damage was what made us put him down. I hope your vet can find something simple like beans. |
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| Vickie - 2016-09-03 3:13 PM
I had a problem with this but it was an EPM survivor. He lived 12 years after treatment but the bladder damage was what made us put him down. I hope your vet can find something simple like beans.
Oh man I hope this isn't the case. I have a gelding that had EPM and he never came back 100 percent but never had this problem. EPM is horrible. I feel bad for her because she truly loves her horses and gives them the best care. This just came out of nowhere! |
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Location: Florida | EPM is horrible. Here in Florida opossums spread it.. I have trained my dogs to eliminate everyone they see. |
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| Vickie - 2016-09-03 4:39 PM
EPM is horrible. Here in Florida opossums spread it.. I have trained my dogs to eliminate everyone they see.
My gelding that got it was a nice barrel horse ...own son of Rare Bar and an own grandson of beduino on his dams side. It just broke my heart when he never fully recovered from it. He spent 6 days at oakridge....he is still with me and will be till he dies. He loves the grandkids. |
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Location: Florida.. | so because he is squirting urine and has bladder issues over the phone a non equine vet told her epm.. no other symptoms.. .. classic.. id get a vet to look at him and check kidney and bladder function and id not ride him at all.. tell her there are alot more sypmtoms with west nile and it ISNT a symptom .. |
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| Bibliafarm - 2016-09-03 7:27 PM
so because he is squirting urine and has bladder issues over the phone a non equine vet told her epm.. no other symptoms.. .. classic.. id get a vet to look at him and check kidney and bladder function and id not ride him at all.. tell her there are alot more sypmtoms with west nile and it ISNT a symptom ..
She has an app with Dr Hague next week at oakridge. She has not been on him at all. She did talk to Dr Hague briefly about it and he thinks it is a pain issue....but told her he would explore every avenue to find what is wrong. He never mentioned EPM or WEST NILE . she is just worried. Dr Hague also told her to stay off him. |
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Location: Florida.. | ok good .. hope they figure it out soon and its not serious. |
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| Bibliafarm - 2016-09-03 8:21 PM
ok good .. hope they figure it out soon and its not serious.
I hope it is not serious either. He is a nice horse and she is a good friend. She is making herself sick worrying. |
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| First of all I would tell her to stop asking everyone for advice. All that does is cause unnecessary worry. There obviously is some kid of pain and it could be anything from headctontail. Let the vet evaluate the horse. |
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| jd&ez - 2016-09-04 6:06 PM
Bill Cochran's Dinkys Super Star horse pee'ed all over arenas over the midwest while winning world championships in pole bending, barrel racing and flag racing.
Well this horse has never done this and he has never refused to work until now. |
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| streakysox - 2016-09-04 12:34 PM
First of all I would tell her to stop asking everyone for advice. All that does is cause unnecessary worry. There obviously is some kid of pain and it could be anything from headctontail. Let the vet evaluate the horse.
Some people just worry. What is headctontail? She will let the vet evaluate her horse. I'm worried for her....she just wanted to know if anyone had experienced this with their gelding. |
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| mmfarms - 2016-09-04 10:22 PM
streakysox - 2016-09-04 12:34 PM
First of all I would tell her to stop asking everyone for advice. All that does is cause unnecessary worry. There obviously is some kid of pain and it could be anything from headctontail. Let the vet evaluate the horse.
Some people just worry. What is headctontail? She will let the vet evaluate her horse. I'm worried for her....she just wanted to know if anyone had experienced this with their gelding.
Head to tail......darn tablet. Years ago, there were a lot of horse that pee'd when they ran. This was way before anyone realized what serious soreness issues our horses had. |
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streakysox - 2016-09-04 12:34 PM
First of all I would tell her to stop asking everyone for advice. All that does is cause unnecessary worry. There obviously is some kid of pain and it could be anything from headctontail. Let the vet evaluate the horse.
Some people just worry. What is headctontail? She will let the vet evaluate her horse. I'm worried for her....she just wanted to know if anyone had experienced this with their gelding.
Bless her heart---I'm a big big worrywart too. If one of mine gets a bump, before the day is over I've self diagnosed them with the worst possible disease and outcome. My family tells me to stay off Google and don't kill them off because they have a scratch on their tail. So I feel for her--prayers it is nothing serious and is an easy fix. Please keep us updated. |
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| Chandler's Mom - 2016-09-05 12:37 AM
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streakysox - 2016-09-04 12:34 PM
First of all I would tell her to stop asking everyone for advice. All that does is cause unnecessary worry. There obviously is some kid of pain and it could be anything from headctontail. Let the vet evaluate the horse.
Some people just worry. What is headctontail? She will let the vet evaluate her horse. I'm worried for her....she just wanted to know if anyone had experienced this with their gelding.
Bless her heart---I'm a big big worrywart too. If one of mine gets a bump, before the day is over I've self diagnosed them with the worst possible disease and outcome. My family tells me to stay off Google and don't kill them off because they have a scratch on their tail. So I feel for her--prayers it is nothing serious and is an easy fix. Please keep us updated.
Thank you Chandler's Mom! She can't help that she is worried. I worry like that also. My mom always said"Don't paint black pictures". Thank you for the kind words and prayers . I think she just has that "helpless" feeling. I think she has worn google out. |
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Chandler's Mom - 2016-09-05 12:37 AM
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streakysox - 2016-09-04 12:34 PM
First of all I would tell her to stop asking everyone for advice. All that does is cause unnecessary worry. There obviously is some kid of pain and it could be anything from headctontail. Let the vet evaluate the horse.
Some people just worry. What is headctontail? She will let the vet evaluate her horse. I'm worried for her....she just wanted to know if anyone had experienced this with their gelding.
Bless her heart---I'm a big big worrywart too. If one of mine gets a bump, before the day is over I've self diagnosed them with the worst possible disease and outcome. My family tells me to stay off Google and don't kill them off because they have a scratch on their tail. So I feel for her--prayers it is nothing serious and is an easy fix. Please keep us updated.
Thank you Chandler's Mom! She can't help that she is worried. I worry like that also. My mom always said"Don't paint black pictures". Thank you for the kind words and prayers . I think she just has that "helpless" feeling. I think she has worn google out.
We just had to have a tumor removed from Luca's (my Siberian Husky) leg, and I got on Google and found just what I thought it was by symptoms and looks---of course it was the worst possible thing he could have with a bleak outcome. When I called my vet for reassurance (the lab didn't even have the sample to test yet) he told me to calm down and quite asking "Dr Google" for his diagnosis!!! Thank the good Lord the tumor was benign and Dr Nordan got the whole thing. So tell your friend that even if it looks bad on Google, that doesn't make it so!! Keeping her and her gelding in my prayers. |
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Location: 31 lengths farms | Google is a blessing and a curse...when CC passed the blood in her urine in 2014 I knew she hadn't tied up, she never moved stiff and the blood was bright red very little urine at all. Got on the computer and started doing research, found tie up, bladder infections and stones as a cause of blood in the urine. I check off the tie up and I checked off the bladder infection because she had urinated 40 minutes after we got home and it was clear again..now any of us who've had a UTI know unless you are taking something for the UTI that doesnt' happen. We had treated her immediately after the episode like it was a tie up even though we all kind of knew it wasn't. Dave wanted me to put her on antibiotics but I just knew in my gut what I was dealing with then,not to the extent we found out later but I'm glad I took the information seriously and didnt' waste another few months trying to convince myself it wasn't stones.
Hoping this is a pain issue and its a simply fix for her sake and the horse's. |
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| Thanks everyone for the concerns and prayers. Appointment in tomarrow at ten with Dr Hague. The gelding is the picture of health and is eating and drinking fine. My friend looks like hell from worry...she looks like the sick one. I feel bad for her because I know its hard not to worry. I'm going with her tomarrow. Prayers would be much appreciated.
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| mmfarms - 2016-09-06 12:02 PM
Thanks everyone for the concerns and prayers. Appointment in tomarrow at ten with Dr Hague. The gelding is the picture of health and is eating and drinking fine. My friend looks like hell from worry...she looks like the sick one. I feel bad for her because I know its hard not to worry. I'm going with her tomarrow. Prayers would be much appreciated.
Has the horse had ACE lately?
If bladder infection/stones are ruled out and the horse has had ACE lately
ACE can cause permanent penile problems in geldings. I would ask the vet if this is a possibility, only after the other has been rules out. |
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| No ma'am he has not had any ace at all. |
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gelding squirting urine while running the pattern