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Location: Saskatchewan | I'm having trouble figuring out why I smashed this barrel.
It almost looks like she slipped a little and stood up to catch herself and shouldered the barrel, but I'm not sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBPI9Gw5NHQ
The whole run is a bit of a mess, lost track of my reins coming off of second LOL, it was the first time I ran my horse this year, so I was expecting no less.
Edited by QHriderKE 2016-09-05 9:18 PM
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| She slipped in her hind and caught herself in the front. |
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| I really think you explained it. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Well she sliped and hit the barrel,, pretty clear as to why.  |
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Location: Saskatchewan | I wasn't sure if it was an honest slip, or her just shouldering it for fun. |
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| You came in way too straight and she had to over correct with her rear end to make the turn, then slipped when she tried to get her momentum back. That caused her to throw her front end to stand up again and you hit the barrel.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | QHriderKE - 2016-09-05 10:07 PM I wasn't sure if it was an honest slip, or her just shouldering it for fun.
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Location: MD | classicpotatochip - 2016-09-05 10:07 PM You came in way too straight and she had to over correct with her rear end to make the turn, then slipped when she tried to get her momentum back. That caused her to throw her front end to stand up again and you hit the barrel. Bottom line: you hit the barrel because you came in too straight.
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| Too straight, I think even if she hadn't slipped you may have caught it coming out, I don't think your line to the 2nd would have been ideal anyway.
In most arenas I always line out with my 3rd to start. The exception would be a couple super wide patterns for the area that I can start just to the right of 3rd and a couple super narrow rodeo areas where I will start to the left of 3rd for a better approach to the 1st. But I always aim to give my horse the same approach to 1st.
You were pretty far to the right of 3rd to start and she really didn't have a chance to get a good shape for the turn, slipped when suddenly asked to turn, and found herself on top of it when she recovered. I don't think she did it on purpose, self preservation to avoid a complete fall. |
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Location: Saskatchewan | It was a really tough arena to run in, the gate was in the right corner and it was a "run in, run out" system, so pretty tough to get the correct line. If I could have walked my horse in and rode her to the middle to get a good shot at the barrel, I would have.
In this situation would you just take a bigger arc in?
I'm not used to having the gate in the corner of the arena. |
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| QHriderKE - 2016-09-06 9:47 AM
It was a really tough arena to run in, the gate was in the right corner and it was a "run in, run out" system, so pretty tough to get the correct line. If I could have walked my horse in and rode her to the middle to get a good shot at the barrel, I would have.
In this situation would you just take a bigger arc in?
I'm not used to having the gate in the corner of the arena.
Yes. You need to get straight with the 3rd barrel and THEN make your arc in so your horses outside hip is facing the barrel about 12 ft from the barrel. |
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Location: Fort Worth / Springtown | What it looks like to me is because you were coming in so straight your turn started more UP the arena instead of toward the fence/backside of the barrel.....your horse had already finished turning and wasn't even at the backside of the barrel, so had stop to keep from running flat into the barrel. I could not see a slip, but a stop right at the time of a push-off to avoid a barrel between the front legs.
Your horse seems very quick and can turn on a dime.
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Location: North Dakota | I agree that you came in too straight and your energy was "down the fence" instead of around-the-turn (if that makes sense!).
What were the exact "rules" of this arena? Were you not allowed to circle or anything? What I do with a side gate, if you aren't allowed to pivot and must maintain forward motion, is I will "prance" my way to the center of the arena where I want to start and then let my horse take off. I never take off until I am lined up where I want to be. Some horses can take a straighter approach and be okay; other need that arc coming in. Just depends on knowing your horse for each type of arena set-up.
Squiggs also seemed to have a lot of trouble with the ground. Her biggest slip was on the first barrel, which is think is the reason you knocked it over. If she hadn't slipped, you still would have had a pretty wide pocket coming in too straight in order to get around it, but you probably would have been able to avoid hitting the barrel.
But even on the 3rd, it was like she was "spinning out" when she was trying to get around the turn. Just some ground trouble.
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I agree with everyone who said your approach to the first was wrong,
Edit: I thought he tripped too but I watched it several times in slow motion and it looks he just panicked because he was ready to turn on the back side (where with the correct approach would have been the 3rd point in the turn) and he just creamed it, realiZed he hit it and tried to back off and go around sort of.
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | txbredbr - 2016-09-06 12:23 PM What it looks like to me is because you were coming in so straight your turn started more UP the arena instead of toward the fence/backside of the barrel.....your horse had already finished turning and wasn't even at the backside of the barrel, so had stop to keep from running flat into the barrel. I could not see a slip, but a stop right at the time of a push-off to avoid a barrel between the front legs.
Your horse seems very quick and can turn on a dime.
This appears to be what happened. BUT I think the solution is to work the horse from various approaches to the first so that he/she will learn to suck up the turn regardless. The perfect setup is not always available, but most horses can and will make the adjustment IF you give them the experience and let them build their confidence. |
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| Looks like a simple trip to me.
I think people tend to OVER-analyze - a LOT. 
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| Looked like a simple slip to me. If she hadn't slipped she would have still be moving and would have made it around the first just fine. You're approach may have been off, hard to tell from the camera angle and not knowing how your horse normally approaches and turns, but at the end of the day, I don't think a bad approach caused the slip, I think the slip just happened. |
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Location: Saskatchewan | This is how she started turning first last year, and I was totally thrilled with it! And I did come in fairly straight to the barrel, probably fairly close to about how straight I came in to the run in the OP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L4mrvHOQo4
I didn't get to run her as much as I had liked this year, the video in the OP was the first time this year than I actually ran her at a pattern. I breezed her through at a friends place a couple days before the rodeo and she rated really hard (unusual for her, not a very ratey creature), and clipped the first barrel. I worked her on going by it, and thought all was well.
I got a little scared of hitting first at a race we went to the day after the rodeo, so purposely put her really wide on it, just to make sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-i0CUrvzhg
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Location: Texas | QHriderKE - 2016-09-09 9:54 PM This is how she started turning first last year, and I was totally thrilled with it! And I did come in fairly straight to the barrel, probably fairly close to about how straight I came in to the run in the OP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L4mrvHOQo4 I didn't get to run her as much as I had liked this year, the video in the OP was the first time this year than I actually ran her at a pattern. I breezed her through at a friends place a couple days before the rodeo and she rated really hard (unusual for her, not a very ratey creature ), and clipped the first barrel. I worked her on going by it, and thought all was well. I got a little scared of hitting first at a race we went to the day after the rodeo, so purposely put her really wide on it, just to make sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-i0CUrvzhg
I don't think straight or arced is really the issue, that is up to the rider/horse and the style that works best. From what I see in all 3 videos, you need a smaller pocket. The barrel you hit your horse turned and went into the barrel. The trip was your horse almost stopping to avoid knocking. Go back to letting your horse rate, if you were having problems with knocking it you need to rate a little closer to the barrel. I would suggest instead of physically sitting and rating her or getting up and pushing her way past, you just sit and cruise into the barrel. |
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| QHriderKE - 2016-09-05 9:15 PM
I'm having trouble figuring out why I smashed this barrel.
It almost looks like she slipped a little and stood up to catch herself and shouldered the barrel, but I'm not sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBPI9Gw5NHQ
The whole run is a bit of a mess, lost track of my reins coming off of second LOL, it was the first time I ran my horse this year, so I was expecting no less.
Your video is a perfect example of not setting up your horse to approach barrel 1 .... watch and stop your video as you first pass the barrel ... the side of your horse is in full view as he is running by the barrel ...
If you had not ran to the barrel but picked your first 1/4 turn so horse is facing the barrel he would be set up to make a normal 360* turn ... there is 1 1/4 turns at the first barrel.
2nd point .. if you are doing rollbacks as a training device ... stop it .. this will get you more knocked barrels than anything else ..
3rd point .. something I have never understood at timed events ... horse takes a hard hit and knocks a barrel and rider continues to ride hard as if nothing happened ...... you are out of the competition and if your horse injured themselves riders are making it worse and then wonder why horse is limping and gimping around the next week and never tells the vet they hit a barrel ... lol
I admire riders that slow down to a lope or even a trot to complete a pattern or just make a circle and go out of the arena ....... it shows the rider is concerned and is protecting their horse .... I have seen rodeo crowds applaud the riders that do this..
Count your lucky stars that you have a well broke and sure footed horse ... the way he was all over that barrel could have been a disaster in the making ..
Just settle down and concentrate on finesse' and you will be surprised at
how fast you cut the clock off ... GOOD LUCK
CLICK ON VIDEO OP'S VIDEO ABOVE ...>>>>>>>>>
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| I am seeing something a little different. When you posted the other videos it re-enforced what I saw. I think you have a neat little horse that does not have a lot of confidence yet. First run this year you run the horse as hard as you can to the first barrel in a difficult pen. If the horse had a little more confidence it would have set itself up a little better. I think you had a couple of good runs so you decided to start running harder. My suggestion is to slow the horse down to a speed that it can handle. When the horse runs a perfect run every time then speed up. |
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Location: Saskatchewan | All last year I just let her cruise in at whatever speed she chose, this year, in dry work, she felt a lot more ratey so I felt like pushing her to the barrel would be a good idea to get her by.
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| You need to be consistent with what you do and where you put the horse. To be honest, I don't see you helping your horse much on first. You are going in there and instead of sitting down, saying whoa, giving a two hand check, going to the horn and turning...you are running in there, sitting, saying whoa and pulling one handed as you say whoa. I don't see you giving any time for the "whoa" to register in your horses mind before you are pulling. The horse is trying but simply can't do a proper turn due to the whoa/pull at the same time. That pull is the problem. Say whoa and give the horse a chance to set before you pull. He'll thank you for it. You have a horse that wants to be very honest. A lot of horses would be blowing off the backside to evade that pressure in the pull.
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Location: WYOMING | Entering the barrel you snatched your inside rein pretty hard which killed forward momentum, got her off balance by pulling her nose and front in on the barrel and her rear swung out... |
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| txbredbr - 2016-09-06 12:23 PM
What it looks like to me is because you were coming in so straight your turn started more UP the arena instead of toward the fence/backside of the barrel.....your horse had already finished turning and wasn't even at the backside of the barrel, so had stop to keep from running flat into the barrel. I could not see a slip, but a stop right at the time of a push-off to avoid a barrel between the front legs.
Your horse seems very quick and can turn on a dime.
This is what I saw as well, my suggestion would be to push one stride past the barrel. He is a quick turner so make sure he's past the barrel a stride before you let him turn. I really like his turning style though, I think you'll do great! Also like others have said you need more of an arch |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | geronabean - 2016-09-13 7:39 PM Entering the barrel you snatched your inside rein pretty hard which killed forward momentum, got her off balance by pulling her nose and front in on the barrel and her rear swung out... Thats what I saw too, snatched the inside rein, I watched the video a few times more, if you watch your hands you can see what happen..
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-09-11 12:31 AM QHriderKE - 2016-09-05 9:15 PM I'm having trouble figuring out why I smashed this barrel. It almost looks like she slipped a little and stood up to catch herself and shouldered the barrel, but I'm not sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBPI9Gw5NHQ The whole run is a bit of a mess, lost track of my reins coming off of second LOL, it was the first time I ran my horse this year, so I was expecting no less. Your video is a perfect example of not setting up your horse to approach barrel 1 .... watch and stop your video as you first pass the barrel ... the side of your horse is in full view as he is running by the barrel ... If you had not ran to the barrel but picked your first 1/4 turn so horse is facing the barrel he would be set up to make a normal 360* turn ... there is 1 1/4 turns at the first barrel. 2nd point .. if you are doing rollbacks as a training device ... stop it .. this will get you more knocked barrels than anything else .. 3rd point .. something I have never understood at timed events ... horse takes a hard hit and knocks a barrel and rider continues to ride hard as if nothing happened ...... you are out of the competition and if your horse injured themselves riders are making it worse and then wonder why horse is limping and gimping around the next week and never tells the vet they hit a barrel ... lol I admire riders that slow down to a lope or even a trot to complete a pattern or just make a circle and go out of the arena ....... it shows the rider is concerned and is protecting their horse .... I have seen rodeo crowds applaud the riders that do this.. Count your lucky stars that you have a well broke and sure footed horse ... the way he was all over that barrel could have been a disaster in the making .. Just settle down and concentrate on finesse' and you will be surprised at how fast you cut the clock off ... GOOD LUCK CLICK ON VIDEO OP'S VIDEO ABOVE ...>>>>>>>>>
BARRELHORSEUSA I think this is the nicest advice I think I've ever read from you. Honest, to the point, and helpful.
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Location: Saskatchewan | This was only the second time she's ever knocked a barrel, and the first time was an innocent spook at flags above the announcers stand, so I've yet to have a problem with knocking barrels with her before.
I'm pretty new to this barrel racing game, I trained this horse myself, from scratch, so when problems arise I have no idea what to do Thanks for the help everyone!
Once I'm done with college expenses, I plan to going to as many clinics as I can, cause my horse has loads of potential to kick butt, I just have no idea how to get her there. |
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Location: WYOMING | Southtxponygirl - 2016-09-13 8:59 PM geronabean - 2016-09-13 7:39 PM Entering the barrel you snatched your inside rein pretty hard which killed forward momentum, got her off balance by pulling her nose and front in on the barrel and her rear swung out... Thats what I saw too, snatched the inside rein, I watched the video a few times more, if you watch your hands you can see what happen..
Here it is with pictures.
1. The horse collects up SLIGHTLY preparing to turn. Could she a bit more? that's personal preference, and experience and the horses ability none of which I know.
2. Here is where you snatch and get her nose/front headed into the barrel
3. Here is where her hind end slips, you lift your inside rein up and over her neck to try to avoid the barrel which really just pulls her more into the trun and off balance
All this causes you to get a little off center and your hands continue to be a little busy. But I really like your horse. She looks like when your timing is on she will be a nice one!!
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | geronabean - 2016-09-15 5:27 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-09-13 8:59 PM geronabean - 2016-09-13 7:39 PM Entering the barrel you snatched your inside rein pretty hard which killed forward momentum, got her off balance by pulling her nose and front in on the barrel and her rear swung out... Thats what I saw too, snatched the inside rein, I watched the video a few times more, if you watch your hands you can see what happen.. Here it is with pictures. 1. The horse collects up SLIGHTLY preparing to turn. Could she a bit more? that's personal preference, and experience and the horses ability none of which I know. 2. Here is where you snatch and get her nose/front headed into the barrel 3. Here is where her hind end slips, you lift your inside rein up and over her neck to try to avoid the barrel which really just pulls her more into the trun and off balance All this causes you to get a little off center and your hands continue to be a little busy. But I really like your horse. She looks like when your timing is on she will be a nice one!!
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Why did I hit this barrel?