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Shareholders were not allowed to compete in 2016 either
Not true. That was only for the PRCA. The WPRA let the girls compete in 2016. In 2017 they are following the PRCA. The girls can't be on the board or shareholders if they want to run WPRA in 2017.
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Now that the WPRA has said that you can't be a stock holder or on the board of the ERA and compete in the WPRA, she is now telling people to call the WPRA and tell them what they think about her being banned from an association she has been a member of for 26 years. This year it was HER choice not to compete. Now that it's not her choice, she has a bit of an issue? |
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| SKM - 2016-09-08 6:57 PM rodeomom3 - 2016-09-08 5:45 PM Shareholders were not allowed to compete in 2016 either Not true. That was only for the PRCA. The WPRA let the girls compete in 2016. In 2017 they are following the PRCA. The girls can't be on the board or shareholders if they want to run WPRA in 2017. 
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SKM - 2016-09-08 6:57 PM rodeomom3 - 2016-09-08 5:45 PM Shareholders were not allowed to compete in 2016 either Not true. That was only for the PRCA. The WPRA let the girls compete in 2016. In 2017 they are following the PRCA. The girls can't be on the board or shareholders if they want to run WPRA in 2017. Yep, I was thinking of the ropers, guess they aren't members of the WPRA
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Location: Deep South | Nevertooold - 2016-09-08 11:18 PM
I can't imagine the ERA continuing when they only had a handful of people in the stands..
Exactly. I don't think it will be an issue at all by 2017. ERA is circling the drain as it is. |
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| scwebster - 2016-09-09 9:00 AM
What did you guys think of her $150 entry jackpot LOL. It pays 3 holes she said. Didn't mention a D format.
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| GLP - 2016-09-09 9:07 AM scwebster - 2016-09-09 9:00 AM What did you guys think of her $150 entry jackpot LOL. It pays 3 holes she said. Didn't mention a D format. I doubt there would be enough squads to pay out a D format.
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| scwebster - 2016-09-09 9:15 AM
GLP - 2016-09-09 9:07 AM scwebster - 2016-09-09 9:00 AM What did you guys think of her $150 entry jackpot LOL. It pays 3 holes she said. Didn't mention a D format. I doubt there would be enough squads to pay out a D format.
It was confusing because she said her squad would consist of 5 girls, but then she said your squad could be made up of 1 or more girls and then she said something about an average and that a hit barrel would only be a 1 second penalty. She was really all over the place in explaining it. |
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| barrelracer66023 - 2016-09-09 9:27 AM I'm glad I wasn't the only one a little confused. I understood that squads consisted of 2-5 team members, no divisional format (straight pay) of 3 holes, $150 entry fee per person, and 1 second penalty for down barrel rather than 5. I assumed the 3 holes were paid to squads rather than indiduals, but not sure.
I can be pretty slow to adapt to change, so at first I was like "Whoa!" Now I'm thinking "I wish I had a business mind like that!" I just saw where she explained that she made an error. She meant to say $150 entry per squad.
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I seriously think that y'all underestimate the power of her numbers of fans...
I know her fans are numerous, but how many squads would she need to pay out in the D format? But then again, she has many fans and they rabidly follow her. At 150 a squad, that's not a bad entry fee, but then any winnings have to be split with in the squad. I don't think her fans think that way though. They are just happy to be around her. Kinda like the Biebers, I guess. Heck, I am really to old to comment.  |
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WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 9:10 AM
I seriously think that y'all underestimate the power of her numbers of fans...
I know her fans are numerous, but how many squads would she need to pay out in the D format? But then again, she has many fans and they rabidly follow her. At 150 a squad, that's not a bad entry fee, but then any winnings have to be split with in the squad. I don't think her fans think that way though. They are just happy to be around her. Kinda like the Biebers, I guess. Heck, I am really to old to comment.
Not too old to comment, at all! You nailed it, exactly. Her fans go to her stuff like it's a concert and she markets it as such. Different auditing packages, including a "Back stage pass" package. Like she said live last night, this is a chance for her followers to run against their idols. It won't be about the entry fees, or the payout for those "squads" that enter... |
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| SKM - 2016-09-08 7:04 PM
I do think it ironic that in 2016, Fallon hardly did any WPRA rodeos stating that she wanted to support the ERA, do clinics and not travel as much.
Now that the WPRA has said that you can't be a stock holder or on the board of the ERA and compete in the WPRA, she is now telling people to call the WPRA and tell them what they think about her being banned from an association she has been a member of for 26 years. This year it was HER choice not to compete. Now that it's not her choice, she has a bit of an issue?
I think it is very different to be banned from an organization because you are apart of another one. She has the choice to haul as much or as little as she chooses. Many people are WPRA and don't compete hard. I think the clinics and stuff she has held and focusing on a organization she can logically do alongside the clinics, it s smart move.
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| GLP - 2016-09-08 6:44 PM It will be interesting seeing who chooses which organization to compete in.
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Can you get me an autograph?
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Location: Texas | It is NOT a D format according to what I heard. Doubt it ever would be as this is her way of replacing her rodeo income from the rodeos and the failing ERA. Just a way for her to pad her pockets with cash from her trusting "Sheep". After all they are dieing to watch her and Baby Flo!!!! Oh, and as for her 1 second penalty for a dropped barrel? LOL she must be planning ahead on hitting a few, so she has made sure she covered that possibility in her favor.
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It is NOT a D format according to what I heard. Doubt it ever would be as this is her way of replacing her rodeo income from the rodeos and the failing ERA. Just a way for her to pad her pockets with cash from her trusting "Sheep". After all they are dieing to watch her and Baby Flo!!!! Oh, and as for her 1 second penalty for a dropped barrel? LOL she must be planning ahead on hitting a few, so she has made sure she covered that possibility in her favor.
Yes you are right, it is not a D format, but some one asked why it wasn't so we were speculating why it wasn't. |
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| My 2 cents: I think it's absolutely and utterly ridiculous that the PRCA and WPRA can ban shareholders. I guess I don't understand why it is an issue. This is like me having both my ammy rodeo card and wpra card. Both seperate associations, yet not banned from either. I pick and choose where I want to run, if I don't want to travel far and consistently so be it. Each makes their own rules, and some rodeos in my area are even co-sanctioned ammy & prca. Anyone who has children think of this scenario: traveling tournament teams are usually for kids that show a decent amount of skill and are able to compete on a higher level. Because they are on that traveling team, should they be banned from high school ball?
I know this is a touchy subject, but I guess I don't understand why everyone can't play nice. Maybe because some of the people who did not get chosen for the "elite" are fueling the ERA backlash, who knows. I see where fallon is coming from, I have favorite rodeos and arenas I like running in. So yes, it'd be disappointing to be banned from them.
ETA: Fallon did not ban every pro rodeo, she ran in some also. Not as many as she would to qualify for the NFR, but then again when she was qualifying for the NFR she definitely was not doing clinics or promoting/selling her brand like she is now. Not saying I'm sure fallon junkie, but she does deserve some respect over being upset towards the ban.
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Location: MD | Cowjazz - 2016-09-09 11:31 AM
It is NOT a D format according to what I heard. Doubt it ever would be as this is her way of replacing her rodeo income from the rodeos and the failing ERA. Just a way for her to pad her pockets with cash from her trusting "Sheep". After all they are dieing to watch her and Baby Flo!!!! Oh, and as for her 1 second penalty for a dropped barrel? LOL she must be planning ahead on hitting a few, so she has made sure she covered that possibility in her favor.
Do you honestly think she needs her "rodeo income"? You spend as much as you make. I'm pretty sure her business ventures are lining her pockets and a couple of bank vaults by now. Whether you like her and her practices or not, you have to see that she is doing well in business |
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They are not going to play nice because they are all fighting for the same finite amount of dollars.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Cowjazz - 2016-09-09 12:31 PM It is NOT a D format according to what I heard. Doubt it ever would be as this is her way of replacing her rodeo income from the rodeos and the failing ERA. Just a way for her to pad her pockets with cash from her trusting "Sheep". After all they are dieing to watch her and Baby Flo!!!! Oh, and as for her 1 second penalty for a dropped barrel? LOL she must be planning ahead on hitting a few, so she has made sure she covered that possibility in her favor.
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| 1DSoon - 2016-09-09 11:28 AM Whiteboy - 2016-09-09 12:27 PM GLP - 2016-09-08 6:44 PM It will be interesting seeing who chooses which organization to compete in. I'm pretty good friends with some of the saddle bronc ridders. Everyone of them that chose ERA are seriously regretting that decision and will likely abandon it within the year.
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| iloveequine40 - 2016-09-09 1:28 PM
There's something so insincere about FT. I've been around her a few times, been parked next to her at jackpots and such. She's nice enough but she has to be the star of the show. I get how young girls are drawn to her. Her "squad" is quite a bit younger than her, it's always changing and she never hauls alone.
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| iloveequine40 - 2016-09-09 1:28 PM There's something so insincere about FT. I've been around her a few times, been parked next to her at jackpots and such. She's nice enough but she has to be the star of the show. I get how young girls are drawn to her. Her "squad" is quite a bit younger than her, it's always changing and she never hauls alone.
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| SKM - 2016-09-08 7:04 PM
I do think it ironic that in 2016, Fallon hardly did any WPRA rodeos stating that she wanted to support the ERA, do clinics and not travel as much.
Now that the WPRA has said that you can't be a stock holder or on the board of the ERA and compete in the WPRA, she is now telling people to call the WPRA and tell them what they think about her being banned from an association she has been a member of for 26 years. This year it was HER choice not to compete. Now that it's not her choice, she has a bit of an issue?
If I recall correctly, at the time she announced her decision that she evaluated how much money she had won to that date and it was her feeling that she had not won enough money to keep going to try to qualify as she would have to haul super hard and she didn't want to do that to her horse. So she was opting to focus on the ERA and clinics for the remainder of the 2016 year. She said she would try to qualify in 2017.
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| scwebster - 2016-09-09 1:34 PM
iloveequine40 - 2016-09-09 1:28 PM There's something so insincere about FT. I've been around her a few times, been parked next to her at jackpots and such. She's nice enough but she has to be the star of the show. I get how young girls are drawn to her. Her "squad" is quite a bit younger than her, it's always changing and she never hauls alone.
Her hubby was younger than her as well. Not that it means anything...just came to mind when you mentioned this.
Yes and he was really nice too. I just never see her partnering/hauling/promoting with other fellow barrel racers to help grow the sport. She always seems to have young, impressionable girls that she can mold her way, which is fine. I just think it's more about self promotion and that's fine too. I'll be quiet now and save my psychological analysis to myself bc she is successful at what she's doing :) |
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If it were just another totally different association, I would say GO! I don't know how I feel about the banning issue. I guess I don't think the ERA will make it. Its kind of comes off as an arrogant place. Plus the one I watched had the little girl, forget her name, but she is like 8 or 10. How can someone that young be an ERA contestant? That goes against the idea of the association to begin with as I understood it.
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GLP - 2016-09-09 1:22 PM I watched several of the televised ERA rodeos and was not impressed, and it wasn't just the barrel racing either. Everybody looked rusty.
Adding to that as I was NOT impressed either.... the announcers and some of the facts that they were throwing out were SO wrong. They gave a calf roper (if I recall correctly) Jake Barnes' head injury story!
I do agree with some of this stuff. They still have a picture of I believe Arson as Dillon under their athletes section. |
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| rpreast - 2016-09-09 2:28 PM
GLP - 2016-09-09 1:22 PM I watched several of the televised ERA rodeos and was not impressed, and it wasn't just the barrel racing either. Everybody looked rusty.
Adding to that as I was NOT impressed either.... the announcers and some of the facts that they were throwing out were SO wrong. They gave a calf roper (if I recall correctly) Jake Barnes' head injury story!
Ah now, don't get me started on those announcers! I have never heard such terrible announcing and mixing up of information in my life. We used to put on youth and ammy rodeos and those announcers were way better than the ERA announcers! |
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Location: Nebraska | WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 11:42 AM Cowjazz - 2016-09-09 11:31 AM It is NOT a D format according to what I heard. Doubt it ever would be as this is her way of replacing her rodeo income from the rodeos and the failing ERA. Just a way for her to pad her pockets with cash from her trusting "Sheep". After all they are dieing to watch her and Baby Flo!!!! Oh, and as for her 1 second penalty for a dropped barrel? LOL she must be planning ahead on hitting a few, so she has made sure she covered that possibility in her favor.
Do you honestly think she needs her "rodeo income"? You spend as much as you make. I'm pretty sure her business ventures are lining her pockets and a couple of bank vaults by now. Whether you like her and her practices or not, you have to see that she is doing well in business
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | azsun - 2016-09-09 2:08 PM SKM - 2016-09-08 7:04 PM I do think it ironic that in 2016, Fallon hardly did any WPRA rodeos stating that she wanted to support the ERA, do clinics and not travel as much. Now that the WPRA has said that you can't be a stock holder or on the board of the ERA and compete in the WPRA, she is now telling people to call the WPRA and tell them what they think about her being banned from an association she has been a member of for 26 years. This year it was HER choice not to compete. Now that it's not her choice, she has a bit of an issue? If I recall correctly, at the time she announced her decision that she evaluated how much money she had won to that date and it was her feeling that she had not won enough money to keep going to try to qualify as she would have to haul super hard and she didn't want to do that to her horse. So she was opting to focus on the ERA and clinics for the remainder of the 2016 year. She said she would try to qualify in 2017. I took this to mean that if she had more money won when she made here decision, she would have kept going.
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Cowjazz - 2016-09-09 11:31 AM
It is NOT a D format according to what I heard. Doubt it ever would be as this is her way of replacing her rodeo income from the rodeos and the failing ERA. Just a way for her to pad her pockets with cash from her trusting "Sheep". After all they are dieing to watch her and Baby Flo!!!! Oh, and as for her 1 second penalty for a dropped barrel? LOL she must be planning ahead on hitting a few, so she has made sure she covered that possibility in her favor.
Do you honestly think she needs her "rodeo income"? You spend as much as you make. I'm pretty sure her business ventures are lining her pockets and a couple of bank vaults by now. Whether you like her and her practices or not, you have to see that she is doing well in business
Wrapsnap you are so right. She recently had a clinic in Cheyenne wy. there were 30-40 participants in this one clinic at $500 a pop... It's not hard to figure out that she is making a killing putting on clinics. That's not even counting the 30+ that came to watch at $150 a person and all of the gifts that she receives |
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This. I also don't think the jackpot money is what she is after, she is after the people coming to it to buy all of her products while there. She is brilliant at marketing and I haven't really seen her doing anything that she isn't two steps ahead on to make money somehow. |
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Why do these posts always turn into a bashing, trash talking posts?
The topic is ERA/WPRA...
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WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 11:11 AM GLP - 2016-09-09 11:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 9:10 AM I seriously think that y'all underestimate the power of her numbers of fans... I know her fans are numerous, but how many squads would she need to pay out in the D format? But then again, she has many fans and they rabidly follow her. At 150 a squad, that's not a bad entry fee, but then any winnings have to be split with in the squad. I don't think her fans think that way though. They are just happy to be around her. Kinda like the Biebers, I guess. Heck, I am really to old to comment. Not too old to comment, at all! You nailed it, exactly. Her fans go to her stuff like it's a concert and she markets it as such. Different auditing packages, including a "Back stage pass" package. Like she said live last night, this is a chance for her followers to run against their idols. It won't be about the entry fees, or the payout for those "squads" that enter...
Saddles, tack, horses, eyelashes, make-up line, clinics and now a clothing line. Like her or not, she's definitely not limiting her income to rodeo winnings. I actually think it's pretty smart - business-wise anyway. |
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WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 11:11 AM GLP - 2016-09-09 11:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 9:10 AM I seriously think that y'all underestimate the power of her numbers of fans... I know her fans are numerous, but how many squads would she need to pay out in the D format? But then again, she has many fans and they rabidly follow her. At 150 a squad, that's not a bad entry fee, but then any winnings have to be split with in the squad. I don't think her fans think that way though. They are just happy to be around her. Kinda like the Biebers, I guess. Heck, I am really to old to comment. Not too old to comment, at all! You nailed it, exactly. Her fans go to her stuff like it's a concert and she markets it as such. Different auditing packages, including a "Back stage pass" package. Like she said live last night, this is a chance for her followers to run against their idols. It won't be about the entry fees, or the payout for those "squads" that enter...
Saddles, tack, horses, eyelashes, make-up line, clinics and now a clothing line. Like her or not, she's definitely not limiting her income to rodeo winnings. I actually think it's pretty smart - business-wise anyway.
Definitely a smart business decision. She had to expand her brand to stay relevant because her fan base is starting to grow into tweens, who may "outgrow" her. She is what we refer to in marketing as a trend. I don't see many adults buying her stuff save for their young girls, kinda like Brittney Spears. |
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| azsun - 2016-09-09 2:57 PM
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WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 11:11 AM GLP - 2016-09-09 11:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 9:10 AM I seriously think that y'all underestimate the power of her numbers of fans... I know her fans are numerous, but how many squads would she need to pay out in the D format? But then again, she has many fans and they rabidly follow her. At 150 a squad, that's not a bad entry fee, but then any winnings have to be split with in the squad. I don't think her fans think that way though. They are just happy to be around her. Kinda like the Biebers, I guess. Heck, I am really to old to comment. Not too old to comment, at all! You nailed it, exactly. Her fans go to her stuff like it's a concert and she markets it as such. Different auditing packages, including a "Back stage pass" package. Like she said live last night, this is a chance for her followers to run against their idols. It won't be about the entry fees, or the payout for those "squads" that enter...
Saddles, tack, horses, eyelashes, make-up line, clinics and now a clothing line. Like her or not, she's definitely not limiting her income to rodeo winnings. I actually think it's pretty smart - business-wise anyway.
Seems like she's doing the "LA" thing again. She went and tried to be a model and do all that stuff before. Only difference is now she has way more groupies than in the late 90's. Known her since she was a little kid. Wasn't impressed when she was 7, still not.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | 3 To Go - 2016-09-09 8:14 PM azsun - 2016-09-09 2:57 PM AnotherRound - 2016-09-09 4:42 PM WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 11:11 AM GLP - 2016-09-09 11:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 9:10 AM I seriously think that y'all underestimate the power of her numbers of fans... I know her fans are numerous, but how many squads would she need to pay out in the D format? But then again, she has many fans and they rabidly follow her. At 150 a squad, that's not a bad entry fee, but then any winnings have to be split with in the squad. I don't think her fans think that way though. They are just happy to be around her. Kinda like the Biebers, I guess. Heck, I am really to old to comment. Not too old to comment, at all! You nailed it, exactly. Her fans go to her stuff like it's a concert and she markets it as such. Different auditing packages, including a "Back stage pass" package. Like she said live last night, this is a chance for her followers to run against their idols. It won't be about the entry fees, or the payout for those "squads" that enter... Saddles, tack, horses, eyelashes, make-up line, clinics and now a clothing line. Like her or not, she's definitely not limiting her income to rodeo winnings. I actually think it's pretty smart - business-wise anyway. Seems like she's doing the "LA" thing again. She went and tried to be a model and do all that stuff before. Only difference is now she has way more groupies than in the late 90's. Known her since she was a little kid. Wasn't impressed when she was 7, still not. As far as the ERA vs WPRA, it seems logical that they would follow suit with the PRCA. The ERA "built" itself off of the talent that went through and made names for themselves because of the PRCA (and WPRA ).
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WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 11:11 AM GLP - 2016-09-09 11:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 9:10 AM I seriously think that y'all underestimate the power of her numbers of fans... I know her fans are numerous, but how many squads would she need to pay out in the D format? But then again, she has many fans and they rabidly follow her. At 150 a squad, that's not a bad entry fee, but then any winnings have to be split with in the squad. I don't think her fans think that way though. They are just happy to be around her. Kinda like the Biebers, I guess. Heck, I am really to old to comment. Not too old to comment, at all! You nailed it, exactly. Her fans go to her stuff like it's a concert and she markets it as such. Different auditing packages, including a "Back stage pass" package. Like she said live last night, this is a chance for her followers to run against their idols. It won't be about the entry fees, or the payout for those "squads" that enter...
Saddles, tack, horses, eyelashes, make-up line, clinics and now a clothing line. Like her or not, she's definitely not limiting her income to rodeo winnings. I actually think it's pretty smart - business-wise anyway.
Seems like she's doing the "LA" thing again. She went and tried to be a model and do all that stuff before. Only difference is now she has way more groupies than in the late 90's. Known her since she was a little kid. Wasn't impressed when she was 7, still not.
As far as the ERA vs WPRA, it seems logical that they would follow suit with the PRCA. The ERA "built" itself off of the talent that went through and made names for themselves because of the PRCA (and WPRA ).
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Location: Where I am happiest | stayceem - 2016-09-09 8:49 PM 3 To Go - 2016-09-09 7:14 PM azsun - 2016-09-09 2:57 PM AnotherRound - 2016-09-09 4:42 PM WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 11:11 AM GLP - 2016-09-09 11:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 9:10 AM I seriously think that y'all underestimate the power of her numbers of fans... I know her fans are numerous, but how many squads would she need to pay out in the D format? But then again, she has many fans and they rabidly follow her. At 150 a squad, that's not a bad entry fee, but then any winnings have to be split with in the squad. I don't think her fans think that way though. They are just happy to be around her. Kinda like the Biebers, I guess. Heck, I am really to old to comment. Not too old to comment, at all! You nailed it, exactly. Her fans go to her stuff like it's a concert and she markets it as such. Different auditing packages, including a "Back stage pass" package. Like she said live last night, this is a chance for her followers to run against their idols. It won't be about the entry fees, or the payout for those "squads" that enter... Saddles, tack, horses, eyelashes, make-up line, clinics and now a clothing line. Like her or not, she's definitely not limiting her income to rodeo winnings. I actually think it's pretty smart - business-wise anyway. Seems like she's doing the "LA" thing again. She went and tried to be a model and do all that stuff before. Only difference is now she has way more groupies than in the late 90's. Known her since she was a little kid. Wasn't impressed when she was 7, still not. As far as the ERA vs WPRA, it seems logical that they would follow suit with the PRCA. The ERA "built" itself off of the talent that went through and made names for themselves because of the PRCA (and WPRA ). that goes both ways. that talent also makes prca/wpra...
No it doesnt. There were "super star's" before this bunch and there will be new "Super Star's" after. One goes by the way side and another moves up and takes their place. |
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| ThreeCorners - 2016-09-09 10:03 PM
stayceem - 2016-09-09 8:49 PM 3 To Go - 2016-09-09 7:14 PM azsun - 2016-09-09 2:57 PM AnotherRound - 2016-09-09 4:42 PM WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 11:11 AM GLP - 2016-09-09 11:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 9:10 AM I seriously think that y'all underestimate the power of her numbers of fans... I know her fans are numerous, but how many squads would she need to pay out in the D format? But then again, she has many fans and they rabidly follow her. At 150 a squad, that's not a bad entry fee, but then any winnings have to be split with in the squad. I don't think her fans think that way though. They are just happy to be around her. Kinda like the Biebers, I guess. Heck, I am really to old to comment. Not too old to comment, at all! You nailed it, exactly. Her fans go to her stuff like it's a concert and she markets it as such. Different auditing packages, including a "Back stage pass" package. Like she said live last night, this is a chance for her followers to run against their idols. It won't be about the entry fees, or the payout for those "squads" that enter... Saddles, tack, horses, eyelashes, make-up line, clinics and now a clothing line. Like her or not, she's definitely not limiting her income to rodeo winnings. I actually think it's pretty smart - business-wise anyway. Seems like she's doing the "LA" thing again. She went and tried to be a model and do all that stuff before. Only difference is now she has way more groupies than in the late 90's. Known her since she was a little kid. Wasn't impressed when she was 7, still not. As far as the ERA vs WPRA, it seems logical that they would follow suit with the PRCA. The ERA "built" itself off of the talent that went through and made names for themselves because of the PRCA (and WPRA ). that goes both ways. that talent also makes prca/wpra...
there is more than one way to be a "super star." plenty of others who haven't set foot in a rodeo arena. and prca/wpra would be nothing without their athletes. if the talented ones leave, yes more talent will come up the ranks but if that talent still exists and runs in another organization, that creates competition for revenue. |
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Location: Prosser, WA | I was hoping the WPRA would just let it die on its own. But with the way many of the ERA were bad mouthing the PRCA and WPRA, I can't really blame them. I think it could have been a great thing but the ERA went about it wrong. I watched a couple and honestly it wasn't any different than watching any other rodeo. The PRCA rodeos I've been to haven't seemed to have been affected either. |
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For those not seeing the issue with shareholding and being on the board...let me see if I can explain it. You can't own Coca Cola and work for Pepsi. It's a conflict of interest and not in the best interest of the company you work for. The ERA went to all the big rodeos and tried to steal them from the PRCA. Cody, Dodge City, etc. They didn't want to start at ground zero like all new businesses do. They figured since that had the big names, those big rodeos should be handed to them too. Was the PRCA supposed to sit back and let that happen? All so a select few could have a bigger payday? Of course not. You CAN work for both companies. But you CAN'T own part of one and make decisions for it and expect to work in the other now.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | perfectturns - 2016-09-09 4:27 PM WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 11:42 AM Cowjazz - 2016-09-09 11:31 AM It is NOT a D format according to what I heard. Doubt it ever would be as this is her way of replacing her rodeo income from the rodeos and the failing ERA. Just a way for her to pad her pockets with cash from her trusting "Sheep". After all they are dieing to watch her and Baby Flo!!!! Oh, and as for her 1 second penalty for a dropped barrel? LOL she must be planning ahead on hitting a few, so she has made sure she covered that possibility in her favor.
Do you honestly think she needs her "rodeo income"? You spend as much as you make. I'm pretty sure her business ventures are lining her pockets and a couple of bank vaults by now. Whether you like her and her practices or not, you have to see that she is doing well in business Wrapsnap you are so right. She recently had a clinic in Cheyenne wy. there were 30-40 participants in this one clinic at $500 a pop... It's not hard to figure out that she is making a killing putting on clinics. That's not even counting the 30+ that came to watch at $150 a person and all of the gifts that she receives
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The PRCA/WPRA is full of talent. The rodeos haven't been affected at all by these "Elite" people not being there. Plenty of people have stepped it up.
For those not seeing the issue with shareholding and being on the board...let me see if I can explain it. You can't own Coca Cola and work for Pepsi. It's a conflict of interest and not in the best interest of the company you work for. The ERA went to all the big rodeos and tried to steal them from the PRCA. Cody, Dodge City, etc. They didn't want to start at ground zero like all new businesses do. They figured since that had the big names, those big rodeos should be handed to them too. Was the PRCA supposed to sit back and let that happen? All so a select few could have a bigger payday? Of course not. You CAN work for both companies. But you CAN'T own part of one and make decisions for it and expect to work in the other now.
In all honesty, the WPRA should have been standing with the PRCA all along. All those girls running ERA knew this would eventually happen. If they were surprised by it, then they obviously had their head in the sand.
My thoughts exactly^
As for Fallon. I follow her on everything snapchat, instagram you name it. Use to be a big fan but its been vanishing. I respect her tons and there's no doubt that she is a thriving business woman along with her million bieber followers and I'd like to share my thoughts because I don't come from a horsey family and don't have a ton of horse friends, let alone barrel friends because of where I live. But, I don't want to get bashed for speaking my mind!!! |
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Location: SE Missouri | Nevertooold - 2016-09-10 11:24 AM
perfectturns - 2016-09-09 4:27 PM WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 11:42 AM Cowjazz - 2016-09-09 11:31 AM It is NOT a D format according to what I heard. Doubt it ever would be as this is her way of replacing her rodeo income from the rodeos and the failing ERA. Just a way for her to pad her pockets with cash from her trusting "Sheep". After all they are dieing to watch her and Baby Flo!!!! Oh, and as for her 1 second penalty for a dropped barrel? LOL she must be planning ahead on hitting a few, so she has made sure she covered that possibility in her favor.
Do you honestly think she needs her "rodeo income"? You spend as much as you make. I'm pretty sure her business ventures are lining her pockets and a couple of bank vaults by now. Whether you like her and her practices or not, you have to see that she is doing well in business Wrapsnap you are so right. She recently had a clinic in Cheyenne wy. there were 30-40 participants in this one clinic at $500 a pop... It's not hard to figure out that she is making a killing putting on clinics. That's not even counting the 30+ that came to watch at $150 a person and all of the gifts that she receives
An insane amount of gifts. I follow on snap chat just to watch the craziness after seeing her with THE longest autograph line at the NFR. It was insane.. I get a kick out of her snaps.. She just did a HUGE giveaway. Ever order from the two shopping sites received something from her -NFR shirts, hats, gifts she had rec'd. Her and her crew worked all night sending stuff (I think it was like 4am as the last label went on a gift).. It was a horse trailer load of packages she send to those that ordered something with a 24hr period (I think). She did a little snap about being blessed and encouraged everyone to be a blessing to someone else..
So, I'm gonna say she is one of the most powerful ambassadors to our sport regardless of what we really think of her or her intentions or whatever. I'm thankful that she does a GREAT job of staying positive the majority of the time AND she is definitely a sharp business minded woman.
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Location: Puky midwest | She was explaining so much how excited she was, she was all over the place, and left out a lot of information I am sure.
But she's excited, I am so excited, I am so excited, and so is her band of followers. I am sure, hoping you all will enter and they can take your money at $150.00 a person.
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She was explaining so much how excited she was, she was all over the place, and left out a lot of information I am sure.
But she's excited, I am so excited, I am so excited, and so is her band of followers. I am sure, hoping you all will enter and they can take your money at $150.00 a person.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | sliddenaround - 2016-09-11 7:54 AM She was explaining so much how excited she was, she was all over the place, and left out a lot of information I am sure. But she's excited, I am so excited, I am so excited, and so is her band of followers. I am sure, hoping you all will enter and they can take your money at $150.00 a person.
Oh I am SURE that she will be excited to take that 150..00 for each and every one of you, lol  .. But I understood that it was 150.00 per squad |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | GLP - 2016-09-11 8:25 AM sliddenaround - 2016-09-11 7:54 AM She was explaining so much how excited she was, she was all over the place, and left out a lot of information I am sure. But she's excited, I am so excited, I am so excited, and so is her band of followers. I am sure, hoping you all will enter and they can take your money at $150.00 a person. I thought she said 150 per squad.
I think she was just too excited, another excited follower so she misquoted, lol.. 
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| azsun - 2016-09-09 4:57 PM AnotherRound - 2016-09-09 4:42 PM WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 11:11 AM GLP - 2016-09-09 11:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 9:10 AM I seriously think that y'all underestimate the power of her numbers of fans... I know her fans are numerous, but how many squads would she need to pay out in the D format? But then again, she has many fans and they rabidly follow her. At 150 a squad, that's not a bad entry fee, but then any winnings have to be split with in the squad. I don't think her fans think that way though. They are just happy to be around her. Kinda like the Biebers, I guess. Heck, I am really to old to comment. Not too old to comment, at all! You nailed it, exactly. Her fans go to her stuff like it's a concert and she markets it as such. Different auditing packages, including a "Back stage pass" package. Like she said live last night, this is a chance for her followers to run against their idols. It won't be about the entry fees, or the payout for those "squads" that enter... Saddles, tack, horses, eyelashes, make-up line, clinics and now a clothing line. Like her or not, she's definitely not limiting her income to rodeo winnings. I actually think it's pretty smart - business-wise anyway.
Who manufactures each of her products? Does anyone know? I don't have any of her products. I just wonder when someone has their own "line" of something I always wonder who make it for them. I know she isn't strapped to a sewing machine making the clothes. Does she have employees in a warehouse somewhere sewing clothes for her?
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| epoh - 2016-09-09 11:41 AM My 2 cents: I think it's absolutely and utterly ridiculous that the PRCA and WPRA can ban shareholders. I guess I don't understand why it is an issue. This is like me having both my ammy rodeo card and wpra card. Both seperate associations, yet not banned from either. I pick and choose where I want to run, if I don't want to travel far and consistently so be it. Each makes their own rules, and some rodeos in my area are even co-sanctioned ammy & prca. Anyone who has children think of this scenario: traveling tournament teams are usually for kids that show a decent amount of skill and are able to compete on a higher level. Because they are on that traveling team, should they be banned from high school ball? I know this is a touchy subject, but I guess I don't understand why everyone can't play nice. Maybe because some of the people who did not get chosen for the "elite" are fueling the ERA backlash, who knows. I see where fallon is coming from, I have favorite rodeos and arenas I like running in. So yes, it'd be disappointing to be banned from them. ETA: Fallon did not ban every pro rodeo, she ran in some also. Not as many as she would to qualify for the NFR, but then again when she was qualifying for the NFR she definitely was not doing clinics or promoting/selling her brand like she is now. Not saying I'm sure fallon junkie, but she does deserve some respect over being upset towards the ban. They are both wanting to be the ultimate, elite association. Both wanting to be the only big game in town so to speak. There isn't as much rodeo money to go around as so many would think. Also, the ERA's original plan was to piggyback off of the success of the PRCA and it's contestants. That's where the biggest problem started. The qualifying rules originally stated the type of rodeos (amount money & contestants) that one needed to win in order to be considered as a new contestant in the ERA which basically only fit the bigger PRCA rodeos. Therefore, a potential ERA contestant would need to be successful in the PRCA and before the ERA would snag them. Originally, they were using the PRCA as their qualifying system instead of creating their own...... It may still be part of it. Also, the ERA tried to get already established PRCA rodeos to ditch their successful yearly PRCA rodeo and jump on board as an ERA rodeo instead, worked to get PRCA stock contractors, etc. Like it or not, PRCA was trying to protect what they had. I know PRCA doesn't really support the cowboys the way they should and gives out a ridiculous amount of fines over every little thing to their contestants. I don't see the PRCA making changes to address contestant complaints either.
I would assume the PRCA would strongly encourage the WPRA to follow suit since the WPRA is an "invited guest" to PRCA rodeos and the NFR.
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perfectturns - 2016-09-09 4:27 PM WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 11:42 AM Cowjazz - 2016-09-09 11:31 AM It is NOT a D format according to what I heard. Doubt it ever would be as this is her way of replacing her rodeo income from the rodeos and the failing ERA. Just a way for her to pad her pockets with cash from her trusting "Sheep". After all they are dieing to watch her and Baby Flo!!!! Oh, and as for her 1 second penalty for a dropped barrel? LOL she must be planning ahead on hitting a few, so she has made sure she covered that possibility in her favor.
Do you honestly think she needs her "rodeo income"? You spend as much as you make. I'm pretty sure her business ventures are lining her pockets and a couple of bank vaults by now. Whether you like her and her practices or not, you have to see that she is doing well in business Wrapsnap you are so right. She recently had a clinic in Cheyenne wy. there were 30-40 participants in this one clinic at $500 a pop... It's not hard to figure out that she is making a killing putting on clinics. That's not even counting the 30+ that came to watch at $150 a person and all of the gifts that she receives
People give gifts to their celebrity favorites all the time. For example with singers, they throw gifts on stage, give them gifts at meet and greats, and make them homemade things. In the real celebrity world, celebs get free meals at restaurants, complimentary products, and special seating. Just look at the "swag bags" celebs get for coming to awards shows. Entertainment Tonight or a show like that tells the value of the swag bags. It's outrageous what all that stuff costs. They could all afford it themselves, but get it for free just for showing up. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | sodapop - 2016-09-11 10:38 AM azsun - 2016-09-09 4:57 PM AnotherRound - 2016-09-09 4:42 PM WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 11:11 AM GLP - 2016-09-09 11:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 9:10 AM I seriously think that y'all underestimate the power of her numbers of fans... I know her fans are numerous, but how many squads would she need to pay out in the D format? But then again, she has many fans and they rabidly follow her. At 150 a squad, that's not a bad entry fee, but then any winnings have to be split with in the squad. I don't think her fans think that way though. They are just happy to be around her. Kinda like the Biebers, I guess. Heck, I am really to old to comment. Not too old to comment, at all! You nailed it, exactly. Her fans go to her stuff like it's a concert and she markets it as such. Different auditing packages, including a "Back stage pass" package. Like she said live last night, this is a chance for her followers to run against their idols. It won't be about the entry fees, or the payout for those "squads" that enter... Saddles, tack, horses, eyelashes, make-up line, clinics and now a clothing line. Like her or not, she's definitely not limiting her income to rodeo winnings. I actually think it's pretty smart - business-wise anyway.
Remember MoBetta clothing? Maury Tate actually had people sewing his line of clothing in his hometown of Apache, OK.
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Location: Texas | Southtxponygirl - 2016-09-11 10:10 AM sliddenaround - 2016-09-11 7:54 AM She was explaining so much how excited she was, she was all over the place, and left out a lot of information I am sure. But she's excited, I am so excited, I am so excited, and so is her band of followers. I am sure, hoping you all will enter and they can take your money at $150.00 a person. Oh I am SURE that she will be excited to take that 150..00 for each and every one of you, lol .. But I understood that it was 150.00 per squad
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | RocketPilot - 2016-09-11 8:17 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-09-11 10:10 AM sliddenaround - 2016-09-11 7:54 AM She was explaining so much how excited she was, she was all over the place, and left out a lot of information I am sure. But she's excited, I am so excited, I am so excited, and so is her band of followers. I am sure, hoping you all will enter and they can take your money at $150.00 a person. Oh I am SURE that she will be excited to take that 150..00 for each and every one of you, lol .. But I understood that it was 150.00 per squad
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-09-11 9:10 PM
RocketPilot - 2016-09-11 8:17 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-09-11 10:10 AM sliddenaround - 2016-09-11 7:54 AM She was explaining so much how excited she was, she was all over the place, and left out a lot of information I am sure. But she's excited, I am so excited, I am so excited, and so is her band of followers. I am sure, hoping you all will enter and they can take your money at $150.00 a person. Oh I am SURE that she will be excited to take that 150..00 for each and every one of you, lol .. But I understood that it was 150.00 per squad
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | sodapop - 2016-09-11 11:38 AM azsun - 2016-09-09 4:57 PM AnotherRound - 2016-09-09 4:42 PM WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 11:11 AM GLP - 2016-09-09 11:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 9:10 AM I seriously think that y'all underestimate the power of her numbers of fans... I know her fans are numerous, but how many squads would she need to pay out in the D format? But then again, she has many fans and they rabidly follow her. At 150 a squad, that's not a bad entry fee, but then any winnings have to be split with in the squad. I don't think her fans think that way though. They are just happy to be around her. Kinda like the Biebers, I guess. Heck, I am really to old to comment. Not too old to comment, at all! You nailed it, exactly. Her fans go to her stuff like it's a concert and she markets it as such. Different auditing packages, including a "Back stage pass" package. Like she said live last night, this is a chance for her followers to run against their idols. It won't be about the entry fees, or the payout for those "squads" that enter... Saddles, tack, horses, eyelashes, make-up line, clinics and now a clothing line. Like her or not, she's definitely not limiting her income to rodeo winnings. I actually think it's pretty smart - business-wise anyway.
Remember MoBetta clothing? Maury Tate actually had people sewing his line of clothing in his hometown of Apache, OK.
More than likely it's all just private label brands. For example, on the makeup - if you google private label cosmetics, you'll find a slew of companies that will make "your brand" and then you can mark it up 3 or 4 times the cost... Honestly anyone can have their own brand if you're willing to shell out some cash.
Love her or hate her, she or an agent/manager is very business savvy.
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Location: Missouri | As someone who was there last night and ran, I am not a "follower" of Fallon. For me it wouldn't of mattered what NFR barrel racer put on this jackpot. The fact that one did was the bonus! The fact it was 15 minutes from my house was the bonus. When else would I ever get an opportunity to run in the same pen with an NFR gal? That's why I ran. Was I gonna get my butt handed to me? Of course! But for my 30.00 entry fee.......who cares. I had a great time, got my pic taken with her and she signed a pair of boots for me. It was much more intimate than standing in line at the NFR in Vegas.
If she comes back, bet your sweet bippy I'll be there again. As for the payout, 3 squads got paid, 15 people won money, and her squad didn't win. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Tbred - 2016-09-12 12:24 PM As someone who was there last night and ran, I am not a "follower" of Fallon. For me it wouldn't of mattered what NFR barrel racer put on this jackpot. The fact that one did was the bonus! The fact it was 15 minutes from my house was the bonus. When else would I ever get an opportunity to run in the same pen with an NFR gal? That's why I ran. Was I gonna get my butt handed to me? Of course! But for my 30.00 entry fee.......who cares. I had a great time, got my pic taken with her and she signed a pair of boots for me. It was much more intimate than standing in line at the NFR in Vegas.
If she comes back, bet your sweet bippy I'll be there again. As for the payout, 3 squads got paid, 15 people won money, and her squad didn't win.
You need to come to Texas for a few weeks and you'll get tired real fast running against current and past NFR contestants along with current and former world champions..LOL |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Nevertooold - 2016-09-12 4:03 PM Tbred - 2016-09-12 12:24 PM As someone who was there last night and ran, I am not a "follower" of Fallon. For me it wouldn't of mattered what NFR barrel racer put on this jackpot. The fact that one did was the bonus! The fact it was 15 minutes from my house was the bonus. When else would I ever get an opportunity to run in the same pen with an NFR gal? That's why I ran. Was I gonna get my butt handed to me? Of course! But for my 30.00 entry fee.......who cares. I had a great time, got my pic taken with her and she signed a pair of boots for me. It was much more intimate than standing in line at the NFR in Vegas.
If she comes back, bet your sweet bippy I'll be there again. As for the payout, 3 squads got paid, 15 people won money, and her squad didn't win. You need to come to Texas for a few weeks and you'll get tired real fast running against current and past NFR contestants along with current and former world champions..LOL
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| Speedy Buckeye Girl - 2016-09-12 9:30 AM sodapop - 2016-09-11 11:38 AM azsun - 2016-09-09 4:57 PM AnotherRound - 2016-09-09 4:42 PM WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 11:11 AM GLP - 2016-09-09 11:03 AM WrapSnap - 2016-09-09 9:10 AM I seriously think that y'all underestimate the power of her numbers of fans... I know her fans are numerous, but how many squads would she need to pay out in the D format? But then again, she has many fans and they rabidly follow her. At 150 a squad, that's not a bad entry fee, but then any winnings have to be split with in the squad. I don't think her fans think that way though. They are just happy to be around her. Kinda like the Biebers, I guess. Heck, I am really to old to comment. Not too old to comment, at all! You nailed it, exactly. Her fans go to her stuff like it's a concert and she markets it as such. Different auditing packages, including a "Back stage pass" package. Like she said live last night, this is a chance for her followers to run against their idols. It won't be about the entry fees, or the payout for those "squads" that enter... Saddles, tack, horses, eyelashes, make-up line, clinics and now a clothing line. Like her or not, she's definitely not limiting her income to rodeo winnings. I actually think it's pretty smart - business-wise anyway.
Remember MoBetta clothing? Maury Tate actually had people sewing his line of clothing in his hometown of Apache, OK.
Love her or hate her, she or an agent/manager is very business savvy.
Really? I didn't know that. I have got to come up with something to sell! Fallon is a great business person. |
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| Nevertooold - 2016-09-12 4:03 PM
Tbred - 2016-09-12 12:24 PM As someone who was there last night and ran, I am not a "follower" of Fallon. For me it wouldn't of mattered what NFR barrel racer put on this jackpot. The fact that one did was the bonus! The fact it was 15 minutes from my house was the bonus. When else would I ever get an opportunity to run in the same pen with an NFR gal? That's why I ran. Was I gonna get my butt handed to me? Of course! But for my 30.00 entry fee.......who cares. I had a great time, got my pic taken with her and she signed a pair of boots for me. It was much more intimate than standing in line at the NFR in Vegas.
If she comes back, bet your sweet bippy I'll be there again. As for the payout, 3 squads got paid, 15 people won money, and her squad didn't win.
You need to come to Texas for a few weeks and you'll get tired real fast running against current and past NFR contestants along with current and former world champions..LOL
I know that's right. I get kinda let down if I go somewhere and none of the names have run in Vegas in December...
Doesn't happen here often, even at local shows. |
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Location: Missouri | classicpotatochip - 2016-09-12 10:38 PM Nevertooold - 2016-09-12 4:03 PM Tbred - 2016-09-12 12:24 PM As someone who was there last night and ran, I am not a "follower" of Fallon. For me it wouldn't of mattered what NFR barrel racer put on this jackpot. The fact that one did was the bonus! The fact it was 15 minutes from my house was the bonus. When else would I ever get an opportunity to run in the same pen with an NFR gal? That's why I ran. Was I gonna get my butt handed to me? Of course! But for my 30.00 entry fee.......who cares. I had a great time, got my pic taken with her and she signed a pair of boots for me. It was much more intimate than standing in line at the NFR in Vegas.
If she comes back, bet your sweet bippy I'll be there again. As for the payout, 3 squads got paid, 15 people won money, and her squad didn't win. You need to come to Texas for a few weeks and you'll get tired real fast running against current and past NFR contestants along with current and former world champions..LOL I know that's right. I get kinda let down if I go somewhere and none of the names have run in Vegas in December... Doesn't happen here often, even at local shows.
I agree that would be hard on your confidence lol. We don't have any in Missouri popping up at random jackpots. I wouldn't say I was star struck, it was just a once in a lifetime opportunity. Now....there were TONS of young girls that were absolutely beside themselves.
My squad was all over 50 years old. If I get to do it again maybe I can stack the deck with Grandma June, Mary Burger, Mary Walker, lol. I'd love Lisa Lockhart but she's not over 50 yet :) |
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Location: That part of Texas | dashnlotti - 2016-09-08 6:34 PM Fallon just announced that ERA shareholders will not be allowed to compete WPRA in 2017. Thoughts??
Thoughts? WPRA was stupid in making the rule at this time with the ERA failing so bad. They've now possibly opened themselves up to liability that the PRCA is still facing under the anti-trust/competition suit the ERA let go but isn't barred from refiling again. All those Plaintiffs now have proof that another association cannot survive because of PRCA dominance in the field due to the ERA failing so badly and that's exactly what the Court was willing to entertain if presented with some concrete evidence. Well, the evidence is arguably there if anybody wants to refile. WPRA should have stayed out of it another year and waited to see if the suit was going to be revived before doing something stupid to get them caught up in the litigation. |
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| Red Raider - 2016-09-13 5:20 PM dashnlotti - 2016-09-08 6:34 PM Fallon just announced that ERA shareholders will not be allowed to compete WPRA in 2017. Thoughts?? Thoughts? WPRA was stupid in making the rule at this time with the ERA failing so bad. They've now possibly opened themselves up to liability that the PRCA is still facing under the anti-trust/competition suit the ERA let go but isn't barred from refiling again. All those Plaintiffs now have proof that another association cannot survive because of PRCA dominance in the field due to the ERA failing so badly and that's exactly what the Court was willing to entertain if presented with some concrete evidence. Well, the evidence is arguably there if anybody wants to refile. WPRA should have stayed out of it another year and waited to see if the suit was going to be revived before doing something stupid to get them caught up in the litigation.
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Location: That part of Texas | TXBO - 2016-09-14 12:25 PM Red Raider - 2016-09-13 5:20 PM dashnlotti - 2016-09-08 6:34 PM Fallon just announced that ERA shareholders will not be allowed to compete WPRA in 2017. Thoughts?? Thoughts? WPRA was stupid in making the rule at this time with the ERA failing so bad. They've now possibly opened themselves up to liability that the PRCA is still facing under the anti-trust/competition suit the ERA let go but isn't barred from refiling again. All those Plaintiffs now have proof that another association cannot survive because of PRCA dominance in the field due to the ERA failing so badly and that's exactly what the Court was willing to entertain if presented with some concrete evidence. Well, the evidence is arguably there if anybody wants to refile. WPRA should have stayed out of it another year and waited to see if the suit was going to be revived before doing something stupid to get them caught up in the litigation.
The argument and attorney was sound -- it was the evidence that was lacking in being an actual thing versus a projected probability or possible outcome. The ERA was saying it would be hampered, the Judge said maybe or maybe not -- come back with evidence and I'll reconsider. Well, the ERA arguably has the evidence now that they can't make a go of things and could possibly pin that on the PRCA. Granted, the PRCA would argue that the ERA was it's own worst enemy in how they PR'd their way into the whole mess and that people just aren't interested in their format -- things not the PRCA's fault. It could go either way but the possibility of a suit is still out there. WPRA had nothing to lose by staying out of it another year. |
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| Bobby Mote (in person) and Fallon Taylor (by phone from Pendelton) were just on the Western Sports Weekly Show on RFDTV. They both spoke about the ERA next year. According to them, 2017 is still a go. Bobby said the 2017 dates would be announced later in the fall. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | sodapop - 2016-09-14 8:30 PM Bobby Mote (in person) and Fallon Taylor (by phone from Pendelton) were just on the Western Sports Weekly Show on RFDTV. They both spoke about the ERA next year. According to them, 2017 is still a go. Bobby said the 2017 dates would be announced later in the fall.
When did Randy Bernard jump on board with them? I thought that he left the American to work for Garth Brooks.........
http://eraprorodeo.com/elite-rodeo-athletes-make-changes-to-deliver-exceptional-rodeo-product/ |
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| NJJ - 2016-09-14 8:54 PM sodapop - 2016-09-14 8:30 PM Bobby Mote (in person) and Fallon Taylor (by phone from Pendelton) were just on the Western Sports Weekly Show on RFDTV. They both spoke about the ERA next year. According to them, 2017 is still a go. Bobby said the 2017 dates would be announced later in the fall. When did Randy Bernard jump on board with them? I thought that he left the American to work for Garth Brooks.........
http://eraprorodeo.com/elite-rodeo-athletes-make-changes-to-deliver-exceptional-rodeo-product/
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| NJJ - 2016-09-14 8:54 PM sodapop - 2016-09-14 8:30 PM Bobby Mote (in person) and Fallon Taylor (by phone from Pendelton) were just on the Western Sports Weekly Show on RFDTV. They both spoke about the ERA next year. According to them, 2017 is still a go. Bobby said the 2017 dates would be announced later in the fall. When did Randy Bernard jump on board with them? I thought that he left the American to work for Garth Brooks.........
http://eraprorodeo.com/elite-rodeo-athletes-make-changes-to-deliver-exceptional-rodeo-product/
Planning for the 2017 ERA Tour is under way. Bernard says that one change fans will notice is that some ERA athletes will relinquish their stock in the ERA so that they can compete anywhere they want. “It is ERA’s first priority to take care of its cowboys, sponsors and fans. We want the best rodeo athletes to showcase their talent everywhere. When there is an ERA event we want fans to know that the best in the world are guaranteed to be at each performance. Whether the athletes own stock or not, it does not change their commitment to the ERA,” said Bernard.
Based on this statement, wouldn't it seem like some more of the ERA people will let go of their shares to compete in both associations rather than pursue/continue the lawsuit maybe? |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-09-15 9:34 AM NJJ - 2016-09-14 8:54 PM sodapop - 2016-09-14 8:30 PM Bobby Mote (in person) and Fallon Taylor (by phone from Pendelton) were just on the Western Sports Weekly Show on RFDTV. They both spoke about the ERA next year. According to them, 2017 is still a go. Bobby said the 2017 dates would be announced later in the fall. When did Randy Bernard jump on board with them? I thought that he left the American to work for Garth Brooks.........
http://eraprorodeo.com/elite-rodeo-athletes-make-changes-to-deliver-exceptional-rodeo-product/
I wonder what would happen if the ERA owners just sold their stock to a family member (Just an example.....suppose Trevor sold his stock to Roy Cooper)....what could the PRCA do then? |
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Location: torrington, wy | Looks like the ERA isn't leaving, so happy for them, I quess the hold card the PRCA & WPRA held has been shot down. |
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Location: MD | NJJ - 2016-09-15 9:54 AM
miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-09-15 9:34 AM NJJ - 2016-09-14 8:54 PM sodapop - 2016-09-14 8:30 PM Bobby Mote (in person) and Fallon Taylor (by phone from Pendelton) were just on the Western Sports Weekly Show on RFDTV. They both spoke about the ERA next year. According to them, 2017 is still a go. Bobby said the 2017 dates would be announced later in the fall. When did Randy Bernard jump on board with them? I thought that he left the American to work for Garth Brooks.........
http://eraprorodeo.com/elite-rodeo-athletes-make-changes-to-deliver-exceptional-rodeo-product/
There were actually a couple of barrel racers who had already done this in anticipation of this current mess. |
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| NJJ - 2016-09-15 9:54 AM miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-09-15 9:34 AM NJJ - 2016-09-14 8:54 PM sodapop - 2016-09-14 8:30 PM Bobby Mote (in person) and Fallon Taylor (by phone from Pendelton) were just on the Western Sports Weekly Show on RFDTV. They both spoke about the ERA next year. According to them, 2017 is still a go. Bobby said the 2017 dates would be announced later in the fall. When did Randy Bernard jump on board with them? I thought that he left the American to work for Garth Brooks.........
http://eraprorodeo.com/elite-rodeo-athletes-make-changes-to-deliver-exceptional-rodeo-product/
I would say they couldn't do anything if that's what some of the ERA people do. That would be too picky in rules for the PRCA/WPRA to try to work around that scenario. I wonder if some will drop their shares and the ERA all together? Matt Shiozawa is one I can think of that relinquished his shares but now is no longer on the ERA rooster. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-09-15 12:13 PM NJJ - 2016-09-15 9:54 AM miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-09-15 9:34 AM NJJ - 2016-09-14 8:54 PM sodapop - 2016-09-14 8:30 PM Bobby Mote (in person) and Fallon Taylor (by phone from Pendelton) were just on the Western Sports Weekly Show on RFDTV. They both spoke about the ERA next year. According to them, 2017 is still a go. Bobby said the 2017 dates would be announced later in the fall. When did Randy Bernard jump on board with them? I thought that he left the American to work for Garth Brooks.........
http://eraprorodeo.com/elite-rodeo-athletes-make-changes-to-deliver-exceptional-rodeo-product/
Shane gave his shares back.
Roping on both sides
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| 1DSoon - 2016-09-15 12:34 PM miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-09-15 12:13 PM NJJ - 2016-09-15 9:54 AM miss_n_cinch13 - 2016-09-15 9:34 AM NJJ - 2016-09-14 8:54 PM sodapop - 2016-09-14 8:30 PM Bobby Mote (in person) and Fallon Taylor (by phone from Pendelton) were just on the Western Sports Weekly Show on RFDTV. They both spoke about the ERA next year. According to them, 2017 is still a go. Bobby said the 2017 dates would be announced later in the fall. When did Randy Bernard jump on board with them? I thought that he left the American to work for Garth Brooks.........
http://eraprorodeo.com/elite-rodeo-athletes-make-changes-to-deliver-exceptional-rodeo-product/
Roping on both sides
Yes he did, as well as some team ropers as well that are now leading the PRCA World Standings. I only mentioned Matt because I noticed he is no longer with the ERA at all and was wondering if others would do the same for next year. |
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| Red Raider - 2016-09-14 6:34 PM TXBO - 2016-09-14 12:25 PM Red Raider - 2016-09-13 5:20 PM dashnlotti - 2016-09-08 6:34 PM Fallon just announced that ERA shareholders will not be allowed to compete WPRA in 2017. Thoughts?? Thoughts? WPRA was stupid in making the rule at this time with the ERA failing so bad. They've now possibly opened themselves up to liability that the PRCA is still facing under the anti-trust/competition suit the ERA let go but isn't barred from refiling again. All those Plaintiffs now have proof that another association cannot survive because of PRCA dominance in the field due to the ERA failing so badly and that's exactly what the Court was willing to entertain if presented with some concrete evidence. Well, the evidence is arguably there if anybody wants to refile. WPRA should have stayed out of it another year and waited to see if the suit was going to be revived before doing something stupid to get them caught up in the litigation.
Alway a possibility of a future suit but here's exactly what the judge said:
Lynn ruled, “Plaintiffs have not made a clear showing that they will suffer irreparable harm absent a preliminary injunction, nor that they are likely to succeed on the merits of their claims.”
Sounds like the judge didn't think it was much of an argument either. She basically said two things:
1) Like you mention, not enough evidence for an injuction.
2) The argument is not likely to succeed.
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| sodapop - 2016-09-14 8:30 PM Bobby Mote (in person) and Fallon Taylor (by phone from Pendelton) were just on the Western Sports Weekly Show on RFDTV. They both spoke about the ERA next year. According to them, 2017 is still a go. Bobby said the 2017 dates would be announced later in the fall.
I really don't have much choice about moving forward in 2017. I don't know how long their contract with Fox Sports is but it is for at least two years. They can survive a court battle with the knuckleheads at PRCA but not with Rupard Murdock. |
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| NJJ - 2016-09-14 8:54 PM sodapop - 2016-09-14 8:30 PM Bobby Mote (in person) and Fallon Taylor (by phone from Pendelton) were just on the Western Sports Weekly Show on RFDTV. They both spoke about the ERA next year. According to them, 2017 is still a go. Bobby said the 2017 dates would be announced later in the fall. When did Randy Bernard jump on board with them? I thought that he left the American to work for Garth Brooks.........
http://eraprorodeo.com/elite-rodeo-athletes-make-changes-to-deliver-exceptional-rodeo-product/
Interesting. The tour finals in Dallas have been shortened to only three days. |
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Location: That part of Texas | TXBO - 2016-09-15 5:02 PM Red Raider - 2016-09-14 6:34 PM TXBO - 2016-09-14 12:25 PM Red Raider - 2016-09-13 5:20 PM dashnlotti - 2016-09-08 6:34 PM Fallon just announced that ERA shareholders will not be allowed to compete WPRA in 2017. Thoughts?? Thoughts? WPRA was stupid in making the rule at this time with the ERA failing so bad. They've now possibly opened themselves up to liability that the PRCA is still facing under the anti-trust/competition suit the ERA let go but isn't barred from refiling again. All those Plaintiffs now have proof that another association cannot survive because of PRCA dominance in the field due to the ERA failing so badly and that's exactly what the Court was willing to entertain if presented with some concrete evidence. Well, the evidence is arguably there if anybody wants to refile. WPRA should have stayed out of it another year and waited to see if the suit was going to be revived before doing something stupid to get them caught up in the litigation.
Sounds like the judge didn't think it was much of an argument either. She basically said two things:
1) Like you mention, not enough evidence for an injuction.
2) The argument is not likely to succeed.
You forgot this part of what the Judge also said and why it was ultimately the ERA dismissing it's own suit (versus them being "poured out on the merits" by the Court) has ended it so far. The argument and the suit is very much still valid. If anything the Judge saved ERA from bringing a suit that wasn't ready just yet (unripe in legal terms) from being brought and them not being able to sue later on when they really had a better case that would stand up better under legal theories and factual evidence:
Lynn had ruled that ERA shareholders could compete in PRCA rodeos in January and early February while she was studying the motion for a preliminary injunction. Lynn specifically said in her ruling on the injunction that the ERA's lawsuit against the PRCA could continue, and she denied the PRCA's motion to dismiss the original lawsuit.
"Plaintiffs have sufficiently and plausibly pled the existence of monopoly power" in arguments against the PRCA, she wrote.
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| Red Raider - 2016-09-16 11:13 AM TXBO - 2016-09-15 5:02 PM Red Raider - 2016-09-14 6:34 PM TXBO - 2016-09-14 12:25 PM Red Raider - 2016-09-13 5:20 PM dashnlotti - 2016-09-08 6:34 PM Fallon just announced that ERA shareholders will not be allowed to compete WPRA in 2017. Thoughts?? Thoughts? WPRA was stupid in making the rule at this time with the ERA failing so bad. They've now possibly opened themselves up to liability that the PRCA is still facing under the anti-trust/competition suit the ERA let go but isn't barred from refiling again. All those Plaintiffs now have proof that another association cannot survive because of PRCA dominance in the field due to the ERA failing so badly and that's exactly what the Court was willing to entertain if presented with some concrete evidence. Well, the evidence is arguably there if anybody wants to refile. WPRA should have stayed out of it another year and waited to see if the suit was going to be revived before doing something stupid to get them caught up in the litigation.
Sounds like the judge didn't think it was much of an argument either. She basically said two things:
1) Like you mention, not enough evidence for an injuction.
2) The argument is not likely to succeed.
Lynn had ruled that ERA shareholders could compete in PRCA rodeos in January and early February while she was studying the motion for a preliminary injunction. Lynn specifically said in her ruling on the injunction that the ERA's lawsuit against the PRCA could continue, and she denied the PRCA's motion to dismiss the original lawsuit. " Plaintiffs have sufficiently and plausibly pled the existence of monopoly power" in arguments against the PRCA, she wrote.
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Location: That part of Texas | TXBO - 2016-09-16 12:50 PM ] Yes, she did. And as an attorney you know that that is the extremely low bar in order to let this law suit even proceed. It proceeded the evidence (or lack thereof) presented for the preliminary injuction at which time the judge said they are not likely to suceed.
The remarks about it not likely to succeed were based upon the evidence at the time -- which is not the same now. They have something now when they didn't then. All they had then was the possibility/probability of it happening. It's happening right now. Big difference. The Judge did them a favor by not granting the injunction and hinting that they didn't have enough evidence when they filed suit but gave them the affirmation they were possibly on the right track. If the ERA didn't dismiss, they could have faced going to court on a Motion for Summary Judgment, they wouldn't have evidence enough to defeat it and the suit would have been dismissed under those theories and parties for good.
Everybody thinks the ERA lost that day because of how the media and the PRCA portrayed it but they actually won in many ways. They got the benefit of knowing what the Judge was thinking, how the Judge viewed the evidence at the time and how the Judge was going to rule on the existing evidence = which was not in favor of the ERA. The Judge basically said come back later when you have more. Now they have more to go back if they wanted.
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| Red Raider - 2016-09-16 1:50 PM TXBO - 2016-09-16 12:50 PM ] Yes, she did. And as an attorney you know that that is the extremely low bar in order to let this law suit even proceed. It proceeded the evidence (or lack thereof) presented for the preliminary injuction at which time the judge said they are not likely to suceed. The remarks about it not likely to succeed were based upon the evidence at the time -- which is not the same now. They have something now when they didn't then. All they had then was the possibility/probability of it happening. It's happening right now. Big difference. The Judge did them a favor by not granting the injunction and hinting that they didn't have enough evidence when they filed suit but gave them the affirmation they were possibly on the right track. If the ERA didn't dismiss, they could have faced going to court on a Motion for Summary Judgment, they wouldn't have evidence enough to defeat it and the suit would have been dismissed under those theories and parties for good.
Everybody thinks the ERA lost that day because of how the media and the PRCA portrayed it but they actually won in many ways. They got the benefit of knowing what the Judge was thinking, how the Judge viewed the evidence at the time and how the Judge was going to rule on the existing evidence = which was not in favor of the ERA. The Judge basically said come back later when you have more. Now they have more to go back if they wanted.
I understand what you're saying. I just don't agree with it. What I've heard so far is a weak antitrust case, in my opinion. The fact that ERA was able to obtain a national TV contract that is better than anything the PRCA has, in my opinion, also hurts their case. There may be a strong argument but I certainly haven't heard it.
On the other hand, give the lack of rule of law in our country and the judicial activism, I'd still put their chance of sucess at 50%/50%.
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