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Location: IL | I think that if you are advertising a 1D barrel horse, or any D barrel horse, you should have stats to prove that. If you don't have stats then there's no way to really prove what the horse runs. Lots of videos doesn't show what the fastest time was and where that horse landed. Too many people want 1D prices on a horse that has no records. I'm not going to take word of mouth. That's not even a smart business move.  What are everyone's thoughts on this?? |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Absolutely. If your buying or selling a horse already going and is advertised as whatever D horse it is, then there are darn sure race results and anybody can access them. If a seller doesnt have any....that would be a red flag. |
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Location: IL | ThreeCorners - 2016-09-12 1:59 PM Absolutely. If your buying or selling a horse already going and is advertised as whatever D horse it is, then there are darn sure race results and anybody can access them. If a seller doesnt have any....that would be a red flag.
And too many people think it's a 1D horse at a local saddle club with 22 people running. He might be fast but if they aren't competing against a lot of people then that's not true competition. 1D local saddle club is way different than a true 1D big show horse. But they think it should be sold as a 1D horse price??  |
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| merdth6 - 2016-09-12 12:11 PM
ThreeCorners - 2016-09-12 1:59 PM Absolutely. If your buying or selling a horse already going and is advertised as whatever D horse it is, then there are darn sure race results and anybody can access them. If a seller doesnt have any....that would be a red flag.
And too many people think it's a 1D horse at a local saddle club with 22 people running. He might be fast but if they aren't competing against a lot of people then that's not true competition. 1D local saddle club is way different than a true 1D big show horse. But they think it should be sold as a 1D horse price??
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Location: Oklahoma | Horse in my signature ran 6th in the 1D yesterday w/a young aggressive rider out of 100 horses. He doesn't clock like that with me because I can't stay with him going that fast. Yesterday he outran last year's Josey Jr. World Champion and the 2014 AQHA Select world champion. Anyone can ride him and he'll go whatever speed you want. I've reduced his price to $12,500 and still have him. :( Just because they're asking big bucks doesn't mean they're getting them. JMO
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Location: IL | FLITASTIC - 2016-09-12 2:13 PM merdth6 - 2016-09-12 12:11 PM ThreeCorners - 2016-09-12 1:59 PM Absolutely. If your buying or selling a horse already going and is advertised as whatever D horse it is, then there are darn sure race results and anybody can access them. If a seller doesnt have any....that would be a red flag. And too many people think it's a 1D horse at a local saddle club with 22 people running. He might be fast but if they aren't competing against a lot of people then that's not true competition. 1D local saddle club is way different than a true 1D big show horse. But they think it should be sold as a 1D horse price?? Anyone can advertise a horse for whatever price. They are only worth what someone will buy them for.
And I agree you can price them however you want! Doesn't mean that's what they will sell for. Stats and facts sell not the owners word, and that's sad to say but it's reality. I'm not saying this horse isn't fast, he runs a nice pattern. I also agree that horses will run different with different people, but have proof of it. If I'm selling a 1D horse and I can't ride him to be a 1D horse then put someone on him that will showcase his/her talent. That's a no brainer. |
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Location: IL | dianeguinn - 2016-09-12 2:36 PM Horse in my signature ran 5th in the 1D yesterday w/a young aggressive rider out of 100 horses. He doesn't clock like that with me because I can't stay with him going that fast. Yesterday he outran last year's Josey Jr. World Champion and the 2014 AQHA Select world champion. Anyone can ride him and he'll go whatever speed you want. I've reduced his price to $12,500 and still have him. :( Just because they're asking big bucks doesn't mean they're getting them. JMO
Dianne, you have a nice horse and I can't believe he hasn't sold yet. |
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Location: MD | dianeguinn - 2016-09-12 2:36 PM
Horse in my signature ran 5th in the 1D yesterday w/a young aggressive rider out of 100 horses. He doesn't clock like that with me because I can't stay with him going that fast. Yesterday he outran last year's Josey Jr. World Champion and the 2014 AQHA Select world champion. Anyone can ride him and he'll go whatever speed you want. I've reduced his price to $12,500 and still have him. :( Just because they're asking big bucks doesn't mean they're getting them. JMO
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Location: MD | I keep a folder for each horse in the barn. I save results from barrel races and videos of the runs in each folder. That way when someone inquires about a horse, all of the info is readily available. On a good one, I'll pull an Equi Stat report when I list them, as well. When I can show not only where a horse has placed, but who they ran against, it takes out any doubt for a prospective buyer. |
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Location: IL | Whiteboy - 2016-09-12 3:47 PM Just one more thought...When I was 22 years old a very successful professor/business man told me to never assume everybody else was as poor as me. Just because you can't afford it, doesn't mean that someone else can't. Horses aren't investments, and for some people, they buy becuase they like the color, smell or the connection with the horse and they just so happen to barrel race as well.
It's really not so much the money it's not understanding what a 1D horse is, and having records that prove it. |
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| merdth6 - 2016-09-12 4:37 PM Whiteboy - 2016-09-12 3:47 PM Just one more thought...When I was 22 years old a very successful professor/business man told me to never assume everybody else was as poor as me. Just because you can't afford it, doesn't mean that someone else can't. Horses aren't investments, and for some people, they buy becuase they like the color, smell or the connection with the horse and they just so happen to barrel race as well. It's really not so much the money it's not understanding what a 1D horse is, and having records that prove it.
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | streakysox - 2016-09-12 4:57 PM If you enter them by their registered name they are VERY easy to track. Just google the name.
That's probably the hardest thing about looking up ones that are run locally from an area you aren't from. Many people won't use their registered names until the larger shows...and then if different people have owned it there's the chance of different barn names...gets a lot more confusing. Not to mention barn names can be too common and hard to search...Honey, Sugar...etc. |
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Location: Nebraska | the producers around here do not report to equistat. Some don't even post results online, they just email them. I save all the results on my computer but someone looking up one of my horses would find very little on them |
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Location: IL | brlracerchick - 2016-09-13 8:21 AM the producers around here do not report to equistat. Some don't even post results online, they just email them. I save all the results on my computer but someone looking up one of my horses would find very little on them The biggest problem is that the seller can't produce stats. If you are selling a horse and advertising whatever D it is, you have to provide proof. At least for me. Especially if you have it priced that way. JMO
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | If the seller can't provide results or proof, and you can't find anything, I wouldn't waste my time. If it wasn't what is being advertised as and what you are looking for why even deal with it? |
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ThreeCorners - 2016-09-12 1:59 PM Absolutely. If your buying or selling a horse already going and is advertised as whatever D horse it is, then there are darn sure race results and anybody can access them. If a seller doesnt have any....that would be a red flag.
And too many people think it's a 1D horse at a local saddle club with 22 people running. He might be fast but if they aren't competing against a lot of people then that's not true competition. 1D local saddle club is way different than a true 1D big show horse. But they think it should be sold as a 1D horse price??
This argument about numbers always makes me giggle. We have a little pen by us that averages 20-30. Arena record is a 14.19. There was one day where Brittnay Pozzi showed up and ran 3 head. Two of which were Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and that Be A Magnolia Runner stud horse of hers. She was a 14.4 and 14.5 I believe. She was actually 2nd and 3rd. Very few have run below a 14.3 in that pen. There are 4 that I can think of (my daughter being two of those 4 times). A 14.4 to a 14.6 is usually what wins depending on the ground. My point being when you have big names on great horses that show up and lay down a run, the number of entries tend to become irrelevant.
June Holman has been there a few times too. I've seen some bigger named OK girls show up too. Especially right before Denver in January. You honestly never know who will show up at this place. |
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merdth6 - 2016-09-12 4:37 PM Whiteboy - 2016-09-12 3:47 PM Just one more thought...When I was 22 years old a very successful professor/business man told me to never assume everybody else was as poor as me. Just because you can't afford it, doesn't mean that someone else can't. Horses aren't investments, and for some people, they buy becuase they like the color, smell or the connection with the horse and they just so happen to barrel race as well. It's really not so much the money it's not understanding what a 1D horse is, and having records that prove it.
So true! Lisa Lockhart has said more than once that Louie is a 2D NFR winning barrel horse. |
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Location: IL | SmokinGirlie - 2016-09-13 8:50 AM If the seller can't provide results or proof, and you can't find anything, I wouldn't waste my time. If it wasn't what is being advertised as and what you are looking for why even deal with it?
I'm not, but the seller seemed upset with me, so I'm just venting and getting other opinions. It's not that I didn't believe the horse could be 1D but I need proof of times. It's just good business. |
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Location: IL | SKM - 2016-09-13 11:21 AM merdth6 - 2016-09-12 1:11 PM ThreeCorners - 2016-09-12 1:59 PM Absolutely. If your buying or selling a horse already going and is advertised as whatever D horse it is, then there are darn sure race results and anybody can access them. If a seller doesnt have any....that would be a red flag. And too many people think it's a 1D horse at a local saddle club with 22 people running. He might be fast but if they aren't competing against a lot of people then that's not true competition. 1D local saddle club is way different than a true 1D big show horse. But they think it should be sold as a 1D horse price?? This argument about numbers always makes me giggle. We have a little pen by us that averages 20-30. Arena record is a 14.19. There was one day where Brittnay Pozzi showed up and ran 3 head. Two of which were Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and that Be A Magnolia Runner stud horse of hers. She was a 14.4 and 14.5 I believe. She was actually 2nd and 3rd. Very few have run below a 14.3 in that pen. There are 4 that I can think of (my daughter being two of those 4 times ). A 14.4 to a 14.6 is usually what wins depending on the ground. My point being when you have big names on great horses that show up and lay down a run, the number of entries tend to become irrelevant. June Holman has been there a few times too. I've seen some bigger named OK girls show up too. Especially right before Denver in January. You honestly never know who will show up at this place.
I totally agree with you. I go to a local saddle club and there are some fast people that show up, so I know how to base how my horse is running that day. But thats not the case here and I don't want to go into detail it's too long....This whole thread is about keep stats on your horse. That way the buyer isn't going strictly on the sellers word. Too many people see nice fast horses selling for a lot of money and it's assumed that their horse is worth the same, which is not always how it works. I'm not buying the horse, I just wanted everyone's opinion on stats and selling horses. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | SKM - 2016-09-13 11:21 AM merdth6 - 2016-09-12 1:11 PM ThreeCorners - 2016-09-12 1:59 PM Absolutely. If your buying or selling a horse already going and is advertised as whatever D horse it is, then there are darn sure race results and anybody can access them. If a seller doesnt have any....that would be a red flag. And too many people think it's a 1D horse at a local saddle club with 22 people running. He might be fast but if they aren't competing against a lot of people then that's not true competition. 1D local saddle club is way different than a true 1D big show horse. But they think it should be sold as a 1D horse price?? This argument about numbers always makes me giggle. We have a little pen by us that averages 20-30. Arena record is a 14.19. There was one day where Brittnay Pozzi showed up and ran 3 head. Two of which were Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and that Be A Magnolia Runner stud horse of hers. She was a 14.4 and 14.5 I believe. She was actually 2nd and 3rd. Very few have run below a 14.3 in that pen. There are 4 that I can think of (my daughter being two of those 4 times ). A 14.4 to a 14.6 is usually what wins depending on the ground. My point being when you have big names on great horses that show up and lay down a run, the number of entries tend to become irrelevant. June Holman has been there a few times too. I've seen some bigger named OK girls show up too. Especially right before Denver in January. You honestly never know who will show up at this place.
More then likely if your running in that kind of company with those kind of times, then chances are you have been to some bigger races as well and not just stayed at the one local arena running for less then $100 bucks. I have also seen horses who love and clock super at their local jackpot arena but dont clock anywhere like that anywhere else. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | SKM - 2016-09-13 12:21 PM merdth6 - 2016-09-12 1:11 PM ThreeCorners - 2016-09-12 1:59 PM Absolutely. If your buying or selling a horse already going and is advertised as whatever D horse it is, then there are darn sure race results and anybody can access them. If a seller doesnt have any....that would be a red flag. And too many people think it's a 1D horse at a local saddle club with 22 people running. He might be fast but if they aren't competing against a lot of people then that's not true competition. 1D local saddle club is way different than a true 1D big show horse. But they think it should be sold as a 1D horse price?? This argument about numbers always makes me giggle. We have a little pen by us that averages 20-30. Arena record is a 14.19. There was one day where Brittnay Pozzi showed up and ran 3 head. Two of which were Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and that Be A Magnolia Runner stud horse of hers. She was a 14.4 and 14.5 I believe. She was actually 2nd and 3rd. Very few have run below a 14.3 in that pen. There are 4 that I can think of (my daughter being two of those 4 times ). A 14.4 to a 14.6 is usually what wins depending on the ground. My point being when you have big names on great horses that show up and lay down a run, the number of entries tend to become irrelevant. June Holman has been there a few times too. I've seen some bigger named OK girls show up too. Especially right before Denver in January. You honestly never know who will show up at this place.
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Location: IL | SKM - 2016-09-13 12:07 PM Reputable sellers have the stats and videos to prove what they are claiming. You can also learn a lot with Google. If a seller has no proof, Google brings up nothing, then why would you waste your time? I'd rather spend a little more with a trustworthy, honest seller than to buy cheaper from someone that can't back up the claims they make.
I'm not buying the horse and I'm not researching anymore. I just wanted everyone's opinion on stats. The seller seemed angry with me when I asked for stats and he could not provide them. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | merdth6 - 2016-09-13 12:55 PM SKM - 2016-09-13 12:07 PM Reputable sellers have the stats and videos to prove what they are claiming. You can also learn a lot with Google. If a seller has no proof, Google brings up nothing, then why would you waste your time? I'd rather spend a little more with a trustworthy, honest seller than to buy cheaper from someone that can't back up the claims they make. I'm not buying the horse and I'm not researching anymore. I just wanted everyone's opinion on stats. The seller seemed angry with me when I asked for stats and he could not provide them.
You have no idea how many FRIENDS I have tried to help sell horses for that either A) Don't keep records of runs or B) get offended when their horses stats make them a 2D-3D horse instead of a 1D horse. I usually end up sorry for asking and just let the buyer contact them directly...
Just because you are selling a 2D or 3D horse doesn't mean it makes you a bad rider or the horse a bad horse. Some girls are looking for 2D - 3D horses because of budget issues. IT'S OKAY TO HAVE THESE HORSES. There isn't anything wrong with them and there IS a market for them.
Sorry for the mini rant... LOL but I don't understand why people try and make horses that are good horses into something they aren't... Someone is out there looking for a horse like this and instead of selling a big fish in a tiny pond they try and sell a tiny horse in a mighty pond. Makes it harder for the seller... |
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Location: IL | IRunOnFaith - 2016-09-14 10:23 AM merdth6 - 2016-09-13 12:55 PM SKM - 2016-09-13 12:07 PM Reputable sellers have the stats and videos to prove what they are claiming. You can also learn a lot with Google. If a seller has no proof, Google brings up nothing, then why would you waste your time? I'd rather spend a little more with a trustworthy, honest seller than to buy cheaper from someone that can't back up the claims they make. I'm not buying the horse and I'm not researching anymore. I just wanted everyone's opinion on stats. The seller seemed angry with me when I asked for stats and he could not provide them.
Just because you are selling a 2D or 3D horse doesn't mean it makes you a bad rider or the horse a bad horse. Some girls are looking for 2D - 3D horses because of budget issues. IT'S OKAY TO HAVE THESE HORSES. There isn't anything wrong with them and there IS a market for them.
Sorry for the mini rant... LOL but I don't understand why people try and make horses that are good horses into something they aren't... Someone is out there looking for a horse like this and instead of selling a big fish in a tiny pond they try and sell a tiny horse in a mighty pond. Makes it harder for the seller...
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| A gal I know just started barrel racing in the last year. She calls her horse a 1D horse. He is a 1D horse at smaller jackpots. At bigger one's he's usually 2 or 3D. I guess it's everyone's opinion.
I tend to look at my competition. If I'm running against horses that are being ran by past/present NFR girls on a super good horse or a jackpot horse that has killed it for years at big shows that's how I base where my horse is. To me to win a little jackpot is nice and very cool but to represent your horse as 1D because of that isn't rightly so in my opinion.
Also if people aren't willing to provide stats on the horse they really should not be mad. I feel if your serious about selling those are things you need to bew able to say.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | merdth6 - 2016-09-14 11:19 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-09-14 10:23 AM merdth6 - 2016-09-13 12:55 PM SKM - 2016-09-13 12:07 PM Reputable sellers have the stats and videos to prove what they are claiming. You can also learn a lot with Google. If a seller has no proof, Google brings up nothing, then why would you waste your time? I'd rather spend a little more with a trustworthy, honest seller than to buy cheaper from someone that can't back up the claims they make. I'm not buying the horse and I'm not researching anymore. I just wanted everyone's opinion on stats. The seller seemed angry with me when I asked for stats and he could not provide them.
Just because you are selling a 2D or 3D horse doesn't mean it makes you a bad rider or the horse a bad horse. Some girls are looking for 2D - 3D horses because of budget issues. IT'S OKAY TO HAVE THESE HORSES. There isn't anything wrong with them and there IS a market for them.
Sorry for the mini rant... LOL but I don't understand why people try and make horses that are good horses into something they aren't... Someone is out there looking for a horse like this and instead of selling a big fish in a tiny pond they try and sell a tiny horse in a mighty pond. Makes it harder for the seller...
General public also isn't very edcated when it comes to D's. Most people think that if they buy a 1D horse, they'll automatically win over a horse that is advertised as 2D. Most blast the seller the first time they lose and say the seller sold them a dud... And while that may be true in some cases, they need to understand that the rider has a lot to do with the horses performance. 60/40. 60 horse, 40 rider.
For example: A friend bought a filly, had her running consistant 1D times and then sold her as a 1D horse years later. She is now running consistant 2D-3D times. So, did the horse get slower? No. Some riders just don't click with horses.
On the flip side, a horse that doesn't get along with the rider as well could be a 1D with the right rider.
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