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| I'm at lost of words with this issue. I have a mare that won't back up in the saddle. On the ground with a lead rope she will back up like a dream. However, as soon as I put a bit (I use an O-ring snaffle bit) she won't listen.
I got on her today and went to back up and she jumped and reared when I pulled back to back her up. I got off and made her back up on the ground. She did it after some fighting but then I got back on and same thing. We did this pattern making backup on the ground and then get on and she would jump and rear. I'm not sure what else I could do to make her back up in saddle with her bit. I don't want to get hurt by her throwing me off. Any suggestion?
If you need any other information let me know!
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| Did you just get her or have you had her and she's always done it, or just started? My first thought is pain, maybe the saddle is pinching? Is she disrespectful in general? |
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Location: Where I am happiest | ALOT of horses have a hard time with a 2 piece snaffle. It is the way their mouth is conformed and a 2 piece can be causing pain. Try a 3 piece with a dog bone in the middle. I believe it is your bit beings though she can and will back up just fine when your not on her. |
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boon
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| blccwgl55 - 2016-09-14 8:57 PM
Did you just get her or have you had her and she's always done it, or just started? My first thought is pain, maybe the saddle is pinching? Is she disrespectful in general?
I have had her since she was born. No she not always like that. She is sassy but never has jumped and reared like that before! |
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| ThreeCorners - 2016-09-14 8:58 PM
ALOT of horses have a hard time with a 2 piece snaffle. It is the way their mouth is conformed and a 2 piece can be causing pain. Try a 3 piece with a dog bone in the middle. I believe it is your bit beings though she can and will back up just fine when your not on her.
I'll have to try that possibly. I thought is was the bit too because when I was on the ground and pulling the reins back she won't move or when I applied more pressure she would hop back. |
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Location: Alberta | Did I miss how old she is? Disengaging the hind end is something to do when their feet lock up...which if she's jumping/rearing when you ask she locking up her feet. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | A 2 peice broken snaffle may be hitting the roof of her mouth and thats why she freezs and then jumps and rear, the jumping and rearing is because your hurting her, try a dog bone snaffle and another thing where are your hands if you are just pulling stright back then dont she needs to learn how to break at the poll befor she learns how to back.  |
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| dream_chaser - 2016-09-14 9:28 PM
Did I miss how old she is? Disengaging the hind end is something to do when their feet lock up...which if she's jumping/rearing when you ask she locking up her feet.
She's 9 years old |
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| Just last night we were talking about a futurity colt who did this after a slip. Got him adjusted by a GOOD chiropractor, and he hasn't done it since. Maybe she is out somewhere??
ETA: he started doing this in exhibitions, following the slip incident. I did not do a good job in wording that at all  lol
Edited by rpreast 2016-09-15 9:45 AM
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Chasin my Dream
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Location: Alberta | Tayann - 2016-09-15 5:27 AM
dream_chaser - 2016-09-14 9:28 PM
Did I miss how old she is? Disengaging the hind end is something to do when their feet lock up...which if she's jumping/rearing when you ask she locking up her feet.
She's 9 years old
I still stick with my disengaging hind end suggestion....good luck.
Edited by dream_chaser 2016-09-15 4:30 PM
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Location: Florida | sounds like the bit is hurting her. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | I disengage or move the hindquarter when starting to back with rein pressure. It is similar to giving to the bit laterally. Your horse will catch on what you want easily with moving the quarters a little and soon you can get them stepping to the side nicely then before they know it or even you there backing off light two reins back and light pressure from the legs to move those feet! |
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| Ground drive her and make her back up. I would have a vet go over her sounds like a pain issue |
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| I had a friend who went through this for quite a while ( almost a year) she knew there was something wrong and several vets had looked at her horse she had x-rays done on his hocks and adjustments epm med etc. etc. , but she knew they were missing something and finally I took a pic from my phone of the xrays she had taken by 3 different vets and my vet seen a cracked hock right off- I still don't understand how multiple vets could miss something so obvious but they did- even when she called back and had them look at their xrays again they still didn't see it. So if you feel there is something wrong don't push it- thank God she didn't listen to those vets she knew her horse was telling her he was hurt. he is almost completely healed now but had she pushed it he might not have recovered. |
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Location: between here and there | One other suggestion, you might have her hamstrings checked. They can get very sore and backing up or sometimes not keeping the backend in the right lead are signs to check them. If you do it yourself, be careful as they can cow kick so quickly if they are sore. It's not a warning shot either, but a full on reflex kick they do that can catch you unaware!! I had one years ago and as soon as my massage therapist found it, she started working on it slowly building up to more pressure. Took a couple of times , but he started backing up fine after that.
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Location: IN MY OWN LITTLE WORLD AT LEAST THEY KNOW ME HERE | Round pen.
Take her out of o ring.
I would put n a short or med shank snaffle w split reins.
I would also put a running martingale on n get head set and relaxed and listening.
Ride her and get her warmed up a bit then walk her across pen straight up the the fence and stop.
Rock back on your pockets and squeeze w your calves **place your calves up close to the front girth as this is a stop cue spot, only softly tap her w your heels NO SPURS PLEASE
n keep hands low and steady n pick up both reins move back nice and slow and she should tuck her nose and say back up.
If she takes one step back then release her n pat her on the neck n turn and go back across and repeat.
Move on around and ride n come back to fence repeat.
Also whenever and forever I do this on all my ponies.
Whenever I stop at the trailer, gate, or just out and about I always always ask them to stop and back up a couple of steps, then I dismount.
The more you fight her the more of the same response you are going to receive.
Have you checked her teeth?
Sometimes it's as simple as the bit hitting the lower jaw teeth and pain issue n head tossing and refusal starts.
Remember 1 or 2 steps is better than a fight :0)
Edited by Yakima 2016-09-20 5:53 PM
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