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Changing Rules
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Reg. Jan 2012
Posted 2016-09-19 1:18 PM
Subject: Changing Rules



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I'm not one to complain, but I wanted to see how other people felt about this...

A series just finished up. 4d format. Awards thru third. Saddle, buckle, and a trailer camera. It was stated in every flyer and entry form that to qualify for awards, the last race MUST be attended. You don't attend, it's given to next in line. At the awards ceremony, they changed it for two people who didn't attend but placed. They still received their awards as long as someone picked them up.

Does that seem completely fair? I'm slightly irritated because it effected my overall placing.
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amandacamarano
Reg. Aug 2010
Posted 2016-09-19 1:21 PM
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Id be irritated too...and no, it doesn't seem fair.

Edited by amandacamarano 2016-09-19 1:25 PM
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Three 4 Luck
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2016-09-19 1:23 PM
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 Was the last race held when originally scheduled?  
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Reg. Jan 2012
Posted 2016-09-19 1:28 PM
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Yes it was.
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Reg. Dec 2008
Posted 2016-09-19 1:34 PM
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I would be upset too.  
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Three 4 Luck
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2016-09-19 1:36 PM
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  I got nothin then.  

Maybe extenuating circumstances?  If that were the case tho, the rule should have read "must attend last show to receive awards unless prior approval is granted by the producer or arrangements are made with the producer" or something like that.  Unequivocal language doesn't allow rule bending for special circumstances. 
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Reg. Dec 2007
Posted 2016-09-19 1:45 PM
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Three 4 Luck - 2016-09-19 1:36 PM   I got nothin then.  



Maybe extenuating circumstances?  If that were the case tho, the rule should have read "must attend last show to receive awards unless prior approval is granted by the producer or arrangements are made with the producer" or something like that.  Unequivocal language doesn't allow rule bending for special circumstances. 

 This ^^
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Nevertooold
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2016-09-19 1:50 PM
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Changing the rules has been the downfall of many barrel racing associations. The rules are set at the beginning of each year and should never be changed until the following year.

I was in an association that would bend the rules and it caused a bunch of hard feelings and people getting screwed. A bunch of us stood up to the BS and the president said if we thought we could do better...have at it...we did and there weren't any changing rules. We also had a rule that you had to attend the awards banquet in order to receive your awards. We had a clause if something beyond the control happened, we would have a board meeting to decide if the person received their awards. Our banquet was also part of our fund raising for awards as we had a dinner and dance with it.


 
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tracies
Reg. Jan 2010
Posted 2016-09-19 1:52 PM
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Rules or not, there may be circumstances that you don't know about. I don't think it is right to demand that a person be present to accept the award that they EARNED. Life happens.
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Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2016-09-19 1:56 PM
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Nevertooold - 2016-09-19 1:50 PM Changing the rules has been the downfall of many barrel racing associations. The rules are set at the beginning of each year and should never be changed until the following year.



I was in an association that would bend the rules and it caused a bunch of hard feelings and people getting screwed. A bunch of us stood up to the BS and the president said if we thought we could do better...have at it...we did and there weren't any changing rules. We also had a rule that you had to attend the awards banquet in order to receive your awards. We had a clause if something beyond the control happened, we would have a board meeting to decide if the person received their awards. Our banquet was also part of our fund raising for awards as we had a dinner and dance with it.




 

^^^^ THIS ......it is one of the main reasons that many barrel associations or producers fail .....rules are made for a reason! Not adhering to them makes people mad and gives them a bad reputation....and yes, I would have been mad....would have said something to the producer and would NOT ever enter their races again!  
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cowgalsissy
Reg. Dec 2008
Posted 2016-09-19 2:27 PM
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 If I placed 5th and 4th place didn't show up I wouldn't consider myself 4th place.  
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Reg. Jul 2006
Posted 2016-09-19 2:33 PM
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cowgalsissy - 2016-09-19 2:27 PM  If I placed 5th and 4th place didn't show up I wouldn't consider myself 4th place.  

However, that 4th place person did not "earn" that placing if the rules state that you have to attend the last race....this was not just going to pick up awards (by the OP's description)....you had to compete in the last race......a person doesn't "earn" anything until they have fulfilled the "requirements".  I know of many series that have rules that you have to attend a certain number or all, etc of the races .... it makes people attend and rewards those who support their series.
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cowgalsissy
Reg. Dec 2008
Posted 2016-09-19 2:35 PM
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NJJ - 2016-09-19 2:33 PM
cowgalsissy - 2016-09-19 2:27 PM  If I placed 5th and 4th place didn't show up I wouldn't consider myself 4th place.  
However, that 4th place person did not "earn" that placing if the rules state that you have to attend the last race....this was not just going to pick up awards (by the OP's description)....you had to compete in the last race......a person doesn't "earn" anything until they have fulfilled the "requirements".  I know of many series that have rules that you have to attend a certain number or all, etc of the races .... it makes people attend and rewards those who support their series.

Oh I understand that. I am just saying that without even showing up to the last show she still whooped my tail and placed ahead of me...... 
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Reg. Jan 2012
Posted 2016-09-19 3:08 PM
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I do know why she wasn't able to attend..... The rules still state that the last race must be attended. It was a required attendance. She and I had gone back and forth the entire season. We were "neck and neck" so to speak.
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Chandler's Mom
Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2016-09-20 1:48 AM
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I agree, rules are rules. Everyone knew them going into the series. . . .
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Griz
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2016-09-20 5:21 AM
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I say rules are rules and I wouldn't enter that series again.
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Reg. Jan 2012
Posted 2016-09-20 10:17 AM
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I was emailing with a gal who helped put on the series about my concerns last night. She said that since it is a family run business who puts the series on, they are very open to accommodating the riders in different circumstances. Personally, my husband and I missed something very important to attend this "mandatory" race. She said we would have been accommodated as well. I can understand that. But I feel that it should have been known to all the racers ahead of time that "mandatory" does not follow one definition.
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SmokinGirlie
Reg. Jun 2006
Posted 2016-09-20 11:00 AM
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~BINGO~ - 2016-09-20 10:17 AM I was emailing with a gal who helped put on the series about my concerns last night. She said that since it is a family run business who puts the series on, they are very open to accommodating the riders in different circumstances. Personally, my husband and I missed something very important to attend this "mandatory" race. She said we would have been accommodated as well. I can understand that. But I feel that it should have been known to all the racers ahead of time that "mandatory" does not follow one definition.

 That isn't considered 'mandatory' then IMO? 
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Three 4 Luck
Reg. Sep 2003
Posted 2016-09-20 11:04 AM
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~BINGO~ - 2016-09-20 10:17 AM I was emailing with a gal who helped put on the series about my concerns last night. She said that since it is a family run business who puts the series on, they are very open to accommodating the riders in different circumstances. Personally, my husband and I missed something very important to attend this "mandatory" race. She said we would have been accommodated as well. I can understand that. But I feel that it should have been known to all the racers ahead of time that "mandatory" does not follow one definition.

 If that was the rule they intended to follow, that was the rule that should have been published.   Hopefully they will learn their lesson. 
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Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2016-09-20 11:11 AM
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Rules are rules once they are set they should be followed, NO ands ifs are buts, its a rule..  
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Reg. Jun 2012
Posted 2016-09-20 11:51 AM
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WPRA doesnt change rules. If you enter and have bad luck getting to the rodeo, flat tire, break down etc.. TO bad, so sad. Entry fees and a fine. You can't just claim your top 15 in the world and therefore, hold the rodeo for me.. LOL
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Reg. Mar 2011
Posted 2016-09-21 12:03 PM
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~BINGO~ - 2016-09-20 10:17 AM

I was emailing with a gal who helped put on the series about my concerns last night. She said that since it is a family run business who puts the series on, they are very open to accommodating the riders in different circumstances. Personally, my husband and I missed something very important to attend this "mandatory" race. She said we would have been accommodated as well. I can understand that. But I feel that it should have been known to all the racers ahead of time that "mandatory" does not follow one definition.

If they're going to accommodate everyone who can't attend the last race, why even put it as a requirement?? I'd be super peeved.
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Reg. Jan 2012
Posted 2016-09-21 12:13 PM
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The girls horse had to be put down a few days before the race. She unfortunately ran her in an arena that many of us have quit going to. Very shallow, slick ground. Her horse came off crippled and subsequently was put to sleep. I'm assuming the producers felt bad. I feel bad as well. I can't even imagine. We skipped a funeral to be at this race. Had I known it wasn't mandatory, we would have been at a funeral. I think that was the most frustrating part.
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Reg. Dec 2009
Posted 2016-09-21 12:58 PM
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~BINGO~ - 2016-09-21 12:13 PM The girls horse had to be put down a few days before the race. She unfortunately ran her in an arena that many of us have quit going to. Very shallow, slick ground. Her horse came off crippled and subsequently was put to sleep. I'm assuming the producers felt bad. I feel bad as well. I can't even imagine. We skipped a funeral to be at this race. Had I known it wasn't mandatory, we would have been at a funeral. I think that was the most frustrating part.

Have you voiced your concern as far as the WAY the rules read?
Maybe try and email and explain to them they need to state that the last race ISN'T in fact manadatory or that it is but riders can make arrangements. 

I'm sure if it's a small family run series they just copied and pasted rules off a flyer they found online and they may not fully comprehend what the "mandatory" part means. 

Maybe suggest to them that editing the rules is in order for future races. I believe they owe everyone an explaination and an appology. 
 
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Reg. Jan 2012
Posted 2016-09-21 2:14 PM
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The gal I was emailing states that their rules are very black and white.... But that there is always a possibility for an exception. She stated that others had asked to not attend so that they could participate elsewhere and were denied. But that as a family produced race, family always comes first, and horses are included in that. Therefore there was an exception. Which I can 100% understand and appreciate. I just wished I had KNOWN.

I have no complaints about the show or those who produced it. They are all exceptional people. Always friendly and accommodating from my experience. The races are very organized and ran professionally. It has been a blast to run with this association. That is my only "negative" experience. And hopefully they will have a little asterisk on their next flyer, stating that exceptions can be made under certain circumstances.
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Reg. Jan 2015
Posted 2016-09-21 11:16 PM
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What a terrible terrible situation for everyone involved. My heart breaks for her but I totally understand your feelings too. They should definitely make the rule clear that there can be exceptions made in certain circumstances OR EITHER no exceptions at all. State it one way or the other and stick to it. Rules can't be "black and white but with exceptions" in my very humble opinion. . . . .

Edited by Chandler's Mom 2016-09-21 11:17 PM
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Reg. May 2007
Posted 2016-09-22 8:38 AM
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I cant help but wonder how close you were if she still beat you in points? Not meant to be rude but just honest opinion...

With that said, the fact that her horse passed away, is in my opinion enough of an excuse. sounds like you didn't ask the question and if the funeral was that important, it would have outweighed the barrel race.

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Reg. Nov 2006
Posted 2016-09-22 9:57 AM
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Oh dang how sad that the horse had to be put down, I bet she was heart broke  how old is the girl that lost her horse? 
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Reg. Jan 2012
Posted 2016-09-22 10:32 AM
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It wasn't a point system. It was an average. Best 4 of 6 times. They would throw out the two slowest and average the 4. I'll have to go back over our times to see how close it was. It was hundredths of a second though.

I believe she is in her early 30s... So not GIRL, she's older than myself. But horrible for her all the same.
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Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2016-09-22 12:05 PM
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They need to add an exception to the rule that you have to attend: "You have to attend to pick up your award or you have to make arrangements for someone to pick it up for you." PERIOD. That eliminates the ambiguous language of the rule when they aren't committed to the meaning of it.
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