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 Three in a Bikini
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| Alright.
I am going through a horse dilemma and I need the advice of BHW experts.
Background:
I have owned this horse for a year. He did very well for his previous owner. He was a big step up for me as far as my riding abilities go, but *up until recently* we had been making progress.
Issue:
3 months ago he dumped me mid barrel run.
Totally unexpected. This is probably the best trained horse I have ever owned.
I thought he was just being a fart so we slowed it back down. No problems -until today when he pulls the same stunt.
**No I have not taken him to the vet. Yes I plan on it.
**No I have not been riding him consistently... because life.
Today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myan12F_VwA
4 months ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJM4OSUS_wM
7 months ago:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcYBllwzmzg
What am I dealing with? I think it is a pain issue, but if not I am not sure how a person fixes this. |
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"Heck's Coming With Me"
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Location: Kansas | Could your saddle be pinching him somewhere?
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Three in a Bikini
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| Frodo - 2016-09-25 6:20 PM
Could your saddle be pinching him somewhere?
This is something I had considered.
But I have been using the same tack this entire year.  |
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Location: Minnesota | This is going to sound crazy, but I had a horse like this I bought him loved him he was as broke as they come really nice about a year in I started having trouble is was bucking on the pattern. Well I went to a trainer I told the trainer that I need help she said okay lets see a run. Well turns out it was my fault he was telling me he didn't like that I was leaning in the turns instead of stepping out. I was also very heavy handed, also the saddle needed adjusting. The trainer said that If i made some miner adjustments and have him adjusted (meaning Chiro) since i was riding him wrong that he would be just fine. He was it was great after that, he taught me a lot.
Its wonderful and amazing to get that step up horse but sometimes a little extra training will help and not the training that you put on your horse either. :)
I would still have a vet check him out.
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  Warmblood with Wings
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Location: Florida.. | Horse is trying to work quietly but when he turns hes not able to so hes bucking up some.. id definalty not run him until vet does full workup.. its not attitude.. might be pelvis / SI possibly.. usually hocks they bunny hop.. which he does but seems higher.. |
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Three in a Bikini
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| Bibliafarm - 2016-09-25 7:11 PM
Horse is trying to work quietly but when he turns hes not able to so hes bucking up some.. id definalty not run him until vet does full workup.. its not attitude.. might be pelvis / SI possibly.. usually hocks they bunny hop.. which he does but seems higher..
Yes. This is exactly what I was thinking... Thank you for your thoughts. |
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Location: New Mexico | I agree with checking him for issues, your saddle and other gear. Make sure you are not getting your feet back and kicking in the flank or what he considers his flank- for some that is anything behind the flank cinch. I have seen more horses buck for this than any other reason, especially people adding speed tend to get their feet back until they learn to ride the faster pace. |
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 Don't Wanna Make This Awkward
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Location: Texas | Do you lope small circles when working him? Between today and the other time he did this have there been any issues? |
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The Advice Guru
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| I would say hocks or stifles |
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Kissing spines??? Doesn't get ridden enough? Check cinch and belly |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | When you vet him, I would ask/insist on back xrays.
I know it's the diagnosis of choice here lately but that behavior is indicative of Kissing Spine |
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 It's not my fault I'm perfect
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | His back end looks off for sure, head to the vet and good luck!! |
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| SmokinGirlie - 2016-09-26 8:37 AM
His back end looks off for sure, head to the vet and good luck!!
For sure looks like something is bothering her. She looks like a sweet little mate! I did notice your riding in the last video compared to the first couple you are a lot more forward.. Have you rode or talked to her previous owner and wached how she rode? |
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 Too Skinny
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Location: LA Lower Alabama | What I see is an issue of some sort when he sets/rates for his turn. I would suspect hocks or stifles but honestly you would be shocked at the list of things it could actually be. A good lameness exam may narrow it down.
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 Poor Cracker Girl
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Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL | Yup - time to go see the vet. Definitely something going on in the back end. I'd guess hocks, stifles, pelvis/SI with maybe something going on with the saddle fit. I see the back of the saddle popping up and that's going to cause it to rock the bars on his back. Some horses will tolerate that and some won't.
Watching the earlier videos, he's one that gets down in the dirt, major flexion on his inside hocks, and he's not even trying to do that in the latest video. Instead he's pegging on the front end.
Nice little worky horse. |
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 Independent Cuss
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Location: Dearing, GA | Bibliafarm - 2016-09-25 9:11 PM
Horse is trying to work quietly but when he turns hes not able to so hes bucking up some.. id definalty not run him until vet does full workup.. its not attitude.. might be pelvis / SI possibly.. usually hocks they bunny hop.. which he does but seems higher..
I agree. He's trying to work and he's really quiet...
My horse was doing something similar. Turned out to be his sacrum and coccyx needed to be popped back into place. A quick visit with the chiro fixed him right up.
I always always always long trot straight lines after having my horse adjusted. Try to avoid small circles for a couple of rides after an adjustment. |
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 Lady Di
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Location: Oklahoma | Definitely time for vet work. Probably very sore in hocks and stifles and possibly SI. Unfortunately, soreness in the back end is just a hazard of the sport we love. The faster you go, the harder it is on them. |
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 Cute Little Imp
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Location: N Texas | You have a very nice horse that really wants to work, so I would definitely not run him again until you get it figured out. You don't want to create more problems because he's anticipating pain. Good luck!! |
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Veteran
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Location: Right Where I'm Meant To Be :) | Not attitude the way his tail is bumped out at the top starting your first turn. Looks like he'll be fine tho once you get him checked out, nice team! |
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 Thick and Wavy
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Location: Nebraska | I second everything everyone else said but want to ask you to adjust your breastcollar. The flopping was driving me crazy! |
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 Dancing in my Mind
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | TrackinBubba - 2016-09-26 9:39 AM
Yup - time to go see the vet. Definitely something going on in the back end. I'd guess hocks, stifles, pelvis/SI with maybe something going on with the saddle fit. I see the back of the saddle popping up and that's going to cause it to rock the bars on his back. Some horses will tolerate that and some won't.
Watching the earlier videos, he's one that gets down in the dirt, major flexion on his inside hocks, and he's not even trying to do that in the latest video. Instead he's pegging on the front end.
Nice little worky horse.
^^^ So this!
I immedately thought pain in the back end, then I watched the other two earlier videos and there is clearly some pain going on back there. He is not even trying to turn using his back end in the first video compared to his usual running style. He is hurting. |
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 I Want a "MAN"
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Location: MD | Agree with everyone else I just wanted to add that your horse is super nice! |
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Good Ole Boys just Fine with Me
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Location: SE Missouri | I second everyone.. REminds me of a nice little horse a friend of mine ran and he also would do the same thing when he was sore. He was a bad cat when he was right also! I only ran him a couple times and it was when he was so sore and it felt like this looked, lol.
Nice horse. |
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 My Heart Be Happy
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Location: Arkansas | Have you found anything out yet? He seems like a nice horse. How's he bred? |
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Three in a Bikini
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| Chandler's Mom - 2016-09-28 12:30 AM
Have you found anything out yet? He seems like a nice horse. How's he bred?
Vet appointment scheduled for Saturday.
Cutting bred... his daddy is Dual Rey.
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 Shelter Dog Lover
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| Kry5ta1 - 2016-09-28 7:42 PM Chandler's Mom - 2016-09-28 12:30 AM Have you found anything out yet? He seems like a nice horse. How's he bred? Vet appointment scheduled for Saturday. Cutting bred... his daddy is Dual Rey. I will let the group know what we find out. But I am hopeful.
Hope your appointment goes well, a lot of horses would have been ducking the barrel or running up the fence. He looks like a good hearted nice horse, glad you are getting him looked at, he is a nice one. |
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Regular
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| Gosh, the "today" video looks just like my gelding with kissing spine. Rate points he would toss his head and either buck their or if I kicked him off a barrel he would blow up. Get him vet checked. |
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Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | I have one just like that. His problem was kissing spines. Just like that. He would feel great and then it was like he just dropped out from under you. I rode him in a Lazy J (Cheap Coats) and he was better and I made sure that I had his saddle set back. Did some accupuncture but didn't look into the surgery. |
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Location: Stuck in a cubicle having tropical thoughts | Sebastian9387 - 2016-09-25 9:57 PM This is going to sound crazy, but I had a horse like this I bought him loved him he was as broke as they come really nice about a year in I started having trouble is was bucking on the pattern. Well I went to a trainer I told the trainer that I need help she said okay lets see a run. Well turns out it was my fault he was telling me he didn't like that I was leaning in the turns instead of stepping out. I was also very heavy handed, also the saddle needed adjusting. The trainer said that If i made some miner adjustments and have him adjusted (meaning Chiro) since i was riding him wrong that he would be just fine. He was it was great after that, he taught me a lot. Its wonderful and amazing to get that step up horse but sometimes a little extra training will help and not the training that you put on your horse either. :) I would still have a vet check him out. You don't sound crazy. It could very well be the way the the rider is riding to make him sore and start hoping or the horse is doing this to compensate for the way the riding is sitting and balanced/not balanced. It also could be a physical problem or saddle fit issue, but I wouldn't rule out rider error.
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Elite Veteran
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| I agree. He's hurting some where. I have one at home doing the same thing. He's been stalled until we figure out what is going on. Good luck! It's very frustrating!!! |
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My Heart Be Happy
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Location: Arkansas | Kry5ta1 - 2016-09-28 7:42 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2016-09-28 12:30 AM
Have you found anything out yet? He seems like a nice horse. How's he bred?
Vet appointment scheduled for Saturday.
Cutting bred... his daddy is Dual Rey.
I will let the group know what we find out. But I am hopeful.
Prayers still going up for a good report. . . .
I told my bf he was a Dual Rey!!!! |
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Three in a Bikini
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| For those of you interested to know.
Vet appointment went very well. All issues are correctable and/or easily managed.
A stifle injection and shockwave therapy were the main therapies employed this go around but time will tell how effective they were.
Ready to get my boy back on his feet and going good. Thank you to all that commented! |
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My Heart Be Happy
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Location: Arkansas | Kry5ta1 - 2016-10-01 3:53 PM
For those of you interested to know.
Vet appointment went very well. All issues are correctable and/or easily managed.
A stifle injection and shockwave therapy were the main therapies employed this go around but time will tell how effective they were.
Ready to get my boy back on his feet and going good. Thank you to all that commented!
We expect an update and video to show us how he's doing when he feels better. Cause I got faith he's gonna be awesome again before long! |
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Don't Wanna Make This Awkward
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Location: Texas | Kry5ta1 - 2016-10-01 3:53 PM For those of you interested to know. Vet appointment went very well. All issues are correctable and/or easily managed. A stifle injection and shockwave therapy were the main therapies employed this go around but time will tell how effective they were. Ready to get my boy back on his feet and going good. Thank you to all that commented!
If stifles were sore I highly suggest the stifle wraps from PHT! It will help the longevity of the injections |
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The Advice Guru
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| Kry5ta1 - 2016-10-01 3:53 PM
For those of you interested to know.
Vet appointment went very well. All issues are correctable and/or easily managed.
A stifle injection and shockwave therapy were the main therapies employed this go around but time will tell how effective they were.
Ready to get my boy back on his feet and going good. Thank you to all that commented!
If the stifles needed injecting the hocks will probably be sore, if you don't see results, you may need to go back for another flexion test |
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Sock Snob
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| You do have a nice horse you need to find someone you trust help you after you get the horse straight. Go to the vet
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What am I dealing with here...