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Trump missed his chance to hit Hillary hard on her email scandal when the issue of cyber security was brought up. I was very surprised. Hillary was on the offense most of the time, but I don't see a clear winner. Nobody scored a knockout punch.
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Location: Opelousas, LA | I just saw the last half, hoping the first half was better. Honestly, what I saw had me wondering if he won the nomination to hand the win to Hillary. I hope he has a better strategy in the next debates...... very dissapointed. |
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Location: north dakota | I watched the debate and you could tell Hillary spent more time preparing. Trump had a few openings where he could have really put pressure on her but didn't. I thought some of the topics were more in Hillarys favor. Overall it didn't seem like there was a clear winner. |
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Location: LuluLand~along I64 Indiana | oh she was pretty, polished and does just what politicians do... tell you what you want to hear.
he pushed home he had been out seeing the plights of the inner cities. he pushed home that as a career politician where had she done good? he had her at cyber security.
why after the debate did we hear he was unhinged? he lost it. she had him rattled? did anyone see him come unhinged? why cant we make up our own minds after the exchanged without being biased by the media? |
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Location: Kansas | I fell asleep in my deplorable basket.....I mean reclining chair. I did watch the first half though. I thought Trump was doing a darn good job but when Hillary mentioned solar panels would have been a great time to mention the shutdown of coal mines and miners out of work.
He'll do better next debate but when thousands of people show up for Trump rallies and Hillary speaks to empty chairs what's the big deal about a televised debate anyway. Whose mind are you going to change? |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | We need to keep a few things in mind. First, Trump held his own without falling into the trap of making huge personal insults.
People were waiting for him to lower the boom on her about a number of things, and he held back a lot, however there will be two more debates. No mention was made of ObamaCare, the Clinton Foundation, Benghazi, the "re-set" with Russia, the Russian-uranium deal, or "pay-for-play". The email scandal was mentioned, albeit briefly, and not because Lester Holt brought it up. She kept mentioning her "fact checkers" but told a few whoppers of her own.....such as her reference to the TPP as the "gold standard". I thought Trump did a good job on the (irrelevant) "birther" issue, and he did a good job of pointing out how that issue was initially raised by members of the Clinton camp back in 2008.
The talking heads and pundits mainly seemed to give the "win" to Hillary, yet the post debate surveys mostly gave a clear "win" to Trump......even though he hasn't used any big artillery....yet. Yes, those surveys are not " scientific", but I do think they say something. After all, in recent history, the polls have not been all that predictive.
Just remember, Romney absolutely pummeled Obama in the first debate in 2012. Reagan did poorly in his first debate. We all know how those turned out. |
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Location: East Texas | And how about that Lester Holt? Clearly slanted toward Clinton. But, I have a friend, black and a Dem to the core. She posted on FB last night - Lester, Lester, Lester, what are you doing, you are out of control!
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They also didn't bring up illegal immigration. Remember that Hillary's plan is America without borders. Down South that's pretty much where we are anyway.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Why didn’t Lester Holt get to ask more questions…. if you cut out all of the self gratifying boasts by Trump about how great he is, how much money he has made, how many people who have endorsed him, blatant advertising of his properties, etc. etc. …….Lester would have had, at least, 30 MORE minutes to ask relevant questions…..
Frankly....Trump blew it.....he spent too much time patting himself on the back instead of ACTUALLY answering questions and putting Hillary on the defense! Even with all of his interrupting, he missed so many opportunities that it isn't even funny! NOW.....we are "boo-hooing" about how unfair the debate was to him and maybe he will skip the next two......really?
Both candidates stink and this has been the two worst choices that I have ever seen in my lifetime!
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Location: Deep South | ndcowgirl - 2016-09-27 1:20 AM
I watched the debate and you could tell Hillary spent more time preparing. Trump had a few openings where he could have really put pressure on her but didn't. I thought some of the topics were more in Hillarys favor. Overall it didn't seem like there was a clear winner.
I completely agree that Trump seemed unprepared, but I was expecting Hillary to be more well spoken and armed with more specifics anyway.
The topics were definitely swayed in her favor! Questions like asking why Trump questioned the legitimacy of Obama's birth even after the release of his birth certificate, why he wouldn't release his tax returns, why he had previously said that Hillary does not look presidential, and why is his judgment better than Hillary's given that he supported the war in Iraq before the invasion.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | I think getting this first debate out of the way without falling into the trap of completely blowing a gasket was a big step. It appears to me that most people feel Trump actually won the debate, according to millions in post debate polls. If that's the case, it wasn't the first time Trump connected with voters, much to the dismay of the media pundits and talking heads. He's baffled the so-called experts time and time again over the last 16 months.
Have no fear....Trump will almost certainly come out with both guns blazing. He knows people are fickle. He knows the importance of timing. He will eventually have a media blitz of his own. He's saving that for a time when Hillary will have worn out her lines of attack. Thus far, he's spent a very tiny fraction of what Hillary has spent, but he will unleash that when the time is right. In the face of a withering media assault, he had pulled into a dead heat. I doubt we will see the same Donald in the next two debates. Everyone knows he had plenty of ammo in reserve, both financially, as well as substantively. It's like a duel where Hillary has fired off her shot.....now Trump is taking aim. |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Bear - 2016-09-27 8:57 AM We need to keep a few things in mind. First, Trump held his own without falling into the trap of making huge personal insults. People were waiting for him to lower the boom on her about a number of things, and he held back a lot, however there will be two more debates. No mention was made of ObamaCare, the Clinton Foundation, Benghazi, the "re-set" with Russia, the Russian-uranium deal, or "pay-for-play". The email scandal was mentioned, albeit briefly, and not because Lester Holt brought it up. She kept mentioning her "fact checkers" but told a few whoppers of her own.....such as her reference to the TPP as the "gold standard". I thought Trump did a good job on the (irrelevant) "birther" issue, and he did a good job of pointing out how that issue was initially raised by members of the Clinton camp back in 2008. The talking heads and pundits mainly seemed to give the "win" to Hillary, yet the post debate surveys mostly gave a clear "win" to Trump......even though he hasn't used any big artillery....yet. Yes, those surveys are not " scientific", but I do think they say something. After all, in recent history, the polls have not been all that predictive. Just remember, Romney absolutely pummeled Obama in the first debate in 2012. Reagan did poorly in his first debate. We all know how those turned out.
I hope and pray you are right. BTW, I think in the next debate he needs to wear something that will scramble the signals to Hillarys earpiece. It's not really fair that he has to debate her whole team. I would love to see Hillary actually have to think on her feet without outside help. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I thought Trump did pretty darn good.. Hillary kept trying to get under his skin and she did as she does all of us, but he held his cool. I watched Sean Hannity after the debates and WOW is was a good watch  |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I love how people are saying they didn't bring up certain things. I guess they don't get that it wasn't up to either candidates to bring up what they wanted to talk about. It was a debate where the moderator gave specific questions to be answered. |
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Location: TEXAS | Barnmom - 2016-09-27 11:35 AM
Bear - 2016-09-27 8:57 AM We need to keep a few things in mind. First, Trump held his own without falling into the trap of making huge personal insults. People were waiting for him to lower the boom on her about a number of things, and he held back a lot, however there will be two more debates. No mention was made of ObamaCare, the Clinton Foundation, Benghazi, the "re-set" with Russia, the Russian-uranium deal, or "pay-for-play". The email scandal was mentioned, albeit briefly, and not because Lester Holt brought it up. She kept mentioning her "fact checkers" but told a few whoppers of her own.....such as her reference to the TPP as the "gold standard". I thought Trump did a good job on the (irrelevant) "birther" issue, and he did a good job of pointing out how that issue was initially raised by members of the Clinton camp back in 2008. The talking heads and pundits mainly seemed to give the "win" to Hillary, yet the post debate surveys mostly gave a clear "win" to Trump......even though he hasn't used any big artillery....yet. Yes, those surveys are not " scientific", but I do think they say something. After all, in recent history, the polls have not been all that predictive. Just remember, Romney absolutely pummeled Obama in the first debate in 2012. Reagan did poorly in his first debate. We all know how those turned out.
I hope and pray you are right. BTW, I think in the next debate he needs to wear something that will scramble the signals to Hillarys earpiece. It's not really fair that he has to debate her whole team. I would love to see Hillary actually have to think on her feet without outside help.
She threw him the bait by bringing up personal crap without it being part of the questions asked by Lester. Trump didn't bite, he may have had the angry face and stance but he didn't swallow her hook. He'll surely be ready for the Oct 9th Debate - only problem it's CNN's Anderson Cooper ... |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Nevertooold - 2016-09-27 12:31 PM I love how people are saying they didn't bring up certain things. I guess they don't get that it wasn't up to either candidates to bring up what they wanted to talk about. It was a debate where the moderator gave specific questions to be answered.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Hillary tryed baiting Trump to get him to lose his cool, but he didnt, he could have hammered her but he didnt, I think the next debate he'll not be so nice  |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | Just two hours of my life I will never get back. Hillary is politician to the core and Trump relied on his huge ego instead of preparing. Totally reinforced the fact that this country and the majority of citizens are totally screwed regardless. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | SC Wrangler - 2016-09-27 1:12 PM Just two hours of my life I will never get back. Hillary is politician to the core and Trump relied on his huge ego instead of preparing. Totally reinforced the fact that this country and the majority of citizens are totally screwed regardless.
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Location: So. California | NJJ - 2016-09-27 11:23 AM SC Wrangler - 2016-09-27 1:12 PM Just two hours of my life I will never get back. Hillary is politician to the core and Trump relied on his huge ego instead of preparing. Totally reinforced the fact that this country and the majority of citizens are totally screwed regardless. ^^^^^ TRUTH !!!!!!
I watched the first hour, could not watch anymore...
No matter how you spin it, Trump was unprepared, was a fish out of water, and performed poorly. Hillary was the normal polished politician and that **** smirk, just want to slap it!
Hillary won the debate, though I don't think she won over any undecided voters. Tump needs to say something of substance, anything of substance. His few zingers and lack of cohesive thought/speech was absolutely atrocious.
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Location: Kansas | NJJ - 2016-09-27 1:23 PM SC Wrangler - 2016-09-27 1:12 PM Just two hours of my life I will never get back. Hillary is politician to the core and Trump relied on his huge ego instead of preparing. Totally reinforced the fact that this country and the majority of citizens are totally screwed regardless. ^^^^^ TRUTH !!!!!!
Compared to Barack Obama, Donald Trump is the 2nd coming of Christ.
He is what he is and if he's not a polished robot like Hillary, all the better. It makes him real people. |
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NJJ - 2016-09-27 1:23 PM SC Wrangler - 2016-09-27 1:12 PM Just two hours of my life I will never get back. Hillary is politician to the core and Trump relied on his huge ego instead of preparing. Totally reinforced the fact that this country and the majority of citizens are totally screwed regardless. ^^^^^ TRUTH !!!!!!
He is what he is and if he's not a polished robot like Hillary, all the better. It makes him real people.
What I saw was a practiced, experienced, polled and scripted life long politician vs a business man in his first ever debate on a political stage. Frankly she should have totally waxed him, and she didn't.
I think next time he'll be a better at the 'game' of debates now that he's had this one.
And I think a scambling devise is a great idea. That memory that was sooooo 'don't remember' before is now just miraculously perfect years after the fact. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | I don't see where one would think Donald Trump was not prepaired! He did an excellent job of showing where Hilary failed. He asked how can America keep the same old tactics. As for the personal attacks Mr. Trump did very well. As for Hilary personal attacks very political. |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | chicks2 - 2016-09-27 2:41 PM Frodo - 2016-09-27 2:15 PM NJJ - 2016-09-27 1:23 PM SC Wrangler - 2016-09-27 1:12 PM Just two hours of my life I will never get back. Hillary is politician to the core and Trump relied on his huge ego instead of preparing. Totally reinforced the fact that this country and the majority of citizens are totally screwed regardless. ^^^^^ TRUTH !!!!!!
He is what he is and if he's not a polished robot like Hillary, all the better. It makes him real people. What I saw was a practiced, experienced, polled and scripted life long politician vs a business man in his first ever debate on a political stage. Frankly she should have totally waxed him, and she didn't. I think next time he'll be a better at the 'game' of debates now that he's had this one. And I think a scambling devise is a great idea. That memory that was sooooo 'don't remember' before is now just miraculously perfect years after the fact.
One??? where were you when the Republicans had eleven debates....he must be a REAL slow learner......LOL |
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Location: The Great Northwest | Mr. Trump needs to present himself now as more presidential or leader. Not making personal attacks as Hilary did to get under his skin. Mr. Trump surprised those politician that he could refrain and stay on track with business. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | I am ill. Literally. Trump choked and Hillary mopped the floor with him. End of story. If he goes into the next one riding on his over inflated ego instead of spending his time taking ALOT of serious debate lessons....we are toast! People should have voted the primaries smarter because now we are stuck with this idiot and we have supreme court justices, our national security, and our soverienty as a nation with our constitution and bill of rights all hanging on someone who just totally blew it last night. I dont care what anybody screams about the moderator or the questions, if he was any form of presidential, he would have handled it anyway and AT LEAST took advantage of the opportunities givin him. She even gave him a merry christmas happy birthday present by stating she has alot of stamina and even withstood 11 hours of congressional hearings and he failed to open that gift. He totally let it slide! YES, lets talk about those 11 hours Hillary!! Uuggghh. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I thought Hillary bragging about her stamina and being able to be drilled for 11 hours was beyond laughable. Proves she would never make it in the real work world where many work 12 hour shifts 5 days a week. I do bet that is the longest she ever had to do something in the last 30 years...
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Location: TEXAS | OhMax - 2016-09-27 9:35 AM
He missed a lot of opportunities. He also took 2 or 3 kicks to the ribs from Lester for every pat on the back he gave her.
Who are the moderators for the next 2 debates? Do we actually get someone fair?
CNN's Anderson Cooper & ABC's Martha Raddatz... Don't know a lot about Martha but Anderson will surely treat Trump unfairly I could be wrong.
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Location: Opelousas, LA | tin can - 2016-09-27 4:55 PM There are a lot of things trump has said during the republican debates i thought wow he is on to something,I seriously thought I might vote for him but what turns me off as a middle class American is that's all he says is its bad it's bad it's really bad, what if and I'm not totally anti trump he just has no substance?A lot of people have a lot of money him telling me over and over turns me off, and his tax plan concerns me. Just some insight to anyone wondering what a typical middleclass persons thoughts are, I am open to any thoughts as long as your respectful/
My thoughts? This country is on a path that is not sustainable, at all. 20 trillion in debt, 11 states that now have more people on welfare then they do people working, immigrants pouring in by the tens of thousands, we are even shipping them in, but there are no jobs so they will be completely dependant on the government. The same government that has run up 20 trillion in debt and sees no problem with that number, just promises more free stuff.
?The definition of insanity is doing the same thing but expecting different results, and Hillary will be more of the same at best. We need something different and Trump is all we have, love him or hate him, he's it. I could go on about the Constitution, Supreme Court etc. but you get my drift. He could be great, he may suck, but he is not Hillary so he has my vote. |
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There are a lot of things trump has said during the republican debates i thought wow he is on to something,I seriously thought I might vote for him but what turns me off as a middle class American is that's all he says is its bad it's bad it's really bad, what if and I'm not totally anti trump he just has no substance?A lot of people have a lot of money him telling me over and over turns me off, and his tax plan concerns me. Just some insight to anyone wondering what a typical middleclass persons thoughts are, I am open to any thoughts as long as your respectful/
Here is a detailed description of his tax plan. He has plenty of policy details outlined on a wide array of topics, if you are interested. I would go straight to his web site.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform
The media is allowing liberals to make disparaging remarks about Reagan's tax reforms. They turned "trickle down" into a synonym with increased budget deficits and "tax breaks for the rich".
Trump believes that across-the-board tax reductions, including a lowering of the corporate tax rate, will result in increased economic growth, which will actually, and seemingly paradoxically, increase revenues to the fed. Increasing taxes will not stimulate the economy.
That concept simply defies logic.
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Location: Eastern OH but my heart is in WV | I am hoping and I think, Trump is holding his cards. He is far from stupid and the masses have VERY short term memory. If he uses all his big guns now, people will forget. Hopefully we will see a more fiery Donald in the next two debates.
I really like what he said about the smear campaign Hillary has going on. About all the money she is spending to smear his image and he is still winning in most polls. She has been airing smear commercials about Donald now for months now and I have seen very few about Hillary. He is standing back and waiting, which I think is a smart move. |
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Location: OH. IO | tin can - 2016-09-27 5:55 PM There are a lot of things trump has said during the republican debates i thought wow he is on to something,I seriously thought I might vote for him but what turns me off as a middle class American is that's all he says is its bad it's bad it's really bad, what if and I'm not totally anti trump he just has no substance?A lot of people have a lot of money him telling me over and over turns me off, and his tax plan concerns me. Just some insight to anyone wondering what a typical middleclass persons thoughts are, I am open to any thoughts as long as your respectful/
i can understand your thoughts.If anything at all,even one little doubt,that i needed in my head to make me feel ok about voting for Trump,It would be Hillary put our lives in danger,it was bad,very very bad,(meant to be funny)She put our military in great danger,she put the lives of our people in benghazi in danger,she knew they were in trouble and she did nothing.Her"what does it matter now?"(yes,she said and meant it)attitude of the men that were lost is what you will get when her smug ways get voted in.If you can honestly say that these things dont matter(im not saying YOU,im talking in general)If you can read of all the people who have disappeared in the clinton circle(murdered,disappeared,found dead ETC) If you heard Hillary say last night,and Im not quoting,cause im sure someone will fact check,lol,that Hillary wants less prisons,and more second chances for criminals,If you believe that a higher percent inheritance tax on what your family has lived to build and pass on to you is ok, If taking money for her clinton foundation from the very countries that have murdered USA folks,and continue to come into our country and murder our Americans is ok to vote for,I can only hope you find peace in your heart at the final countdown.
NONE of this is directed at you,again I say you,as any American that can look themselves in the mirror,after putting her in charge of all of our lives. YES,shes polished,she should be,shes been dirtying the silver for a long time,she should know how to polish it.Im happy to see you posted in a positive and caring way,I sure hope more like you take yet another look at what may possibly happen to ALL OF US>   |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | jake16 - 2016-09-27 5:54 PM tin can - 2016-09-27 5:55 PM There are a lot of things trump has said during the republican debates i thought wow he is on to something,I seriously thought I might vote for him but what turns me off as a middle class American is that's all he says is its bad it's bad it's really bad, what if and I'm not totally anti trump he just has no substance?A lot of people have a lot of money him telling me over and over turns me off, and his tax plan concerns me. Just some insight to anyone wondering what a typical middleclass persons thoughts are, I am open to any thoughts as long as your respectful/
NONE of this is directed at you,again I say you,as any American that can look themselves in the mirror,after putting her in charge of all of our lives. YES,shes polished,she should be,shes been dirtying the silver for a long time,she should know how to polish it.Im happy to see you posted in a positive and caring way,I sure hope more like you take yet another look at what may possibly happen to ALL OF US>
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | When the only thing to recommend the potential President comes as a comparison to someone that is obviously hated, it doesn't say a whole lot for his qualifications or plans. I would assume that an individual trying to woo the voters would put forth the ultimate effort, which he obviously did not. |
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Location: Where I am happiest | tin can - 2016-09-27 4:55 PM There are a lot of things trump has said during the republican debates i thought wow he is on to something,I seriously thought I might vote for him but what turns me off as a middle class American is that's all he says is its bad it's bad it's really bad, what if and I'm not totally anti trump he just has no substance?A lot of people have a lot of money him telling me over and over turns me off, and his tax plan concerns me. Just some insight to anyone wondering what a typical middleclass persons thoughts are, I am open to any thoughts as long as your respectful/
Have you seen Hillary's tax plan? If you make $9,000 to $30,000 a year it's a 15% tax rate. If your $31,000 to $99,000 it's a 25% tax bracket. Thats federal only! Estate tax at 65%. I cant afford her taxes!! Horses will have to go. Just think of the poor single mother or struggling just out of school making $9 or $10,000 a year. Thats less then $1000 a month and she is going to take over $100 a month!! Then we get to pay state tax on top of that. Democrats have never been able to understand the more jobs, the more working the more tax revenue even if your paying less taxes. It also leaves more in the pockets for people to spend elsewhere on goods and services. I'll take Trumps tax reductions any day of the week. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | ThreeCorners - 2016-09-27 8:26 PM
tin can - 2016-09-27 4:55 PM There are a lot of things trump has said during the republican debates i thought wow he is on to something,I seriously thought I might vote for him but what turns me off as a middle class American is that's all he says is its bad it's bad it's really bad, what if and I'm not totally anti trump he just has no substance?A lot of people have a lot of money him telling me over and over turns me off, and his tax plan concerns me. Just some insight to anyone wondering what a typical middleclass persons thoughts are, I am open to any thoughts as long as your respectful/
Nothing wrong with expecting all you rich folks to pay your fair share.
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | ThreeCorners - 2016-09-27 8:26 PM tin can - 2016-09-27 4:55 PM There are a lot of things trump has said during the republican debates i thought wow he is on to something,I seriously thought I might vote for him but what turns me off as a middle class American is that's all he says is its bad it's bad it's really bad, what if and I'm not totally anti trump he just has no substance?A lot of people have a lot of money him telling me over and over turns me off, and his tax plan concerns me. Just some insight to anyone wondering what a typical middleclass persons thoughts are, I am open to any thoughts as long as your respectful/
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Location: Texas | ThreeCorners - 2016-09-27 3:17 PM I am ill. Literally. Trump choked and Hillary mopped the floor with him. End of story. If he goes into the next one riding on his over inflated ego instead of spending his time taking ALOT of serious debate lessons....we are toast! People should have voted the primaries smarter because now we are stuck with this idiot and we have supreme court justices, our national security, and our soverienty as a nation with our constitution and bill of rights all hanging on someone who just totally blew it last night. I dont care what anybody screams about the moderator or the questions, if he was any form of presidential, he would have handled it anyway and AT LEAST took advantage of the opportunities givin him. She even gave him a merry christmas happy birthday present by stating she has alot of stamina and even withstood 11 hours of congressional hearings and he failed to open that gift. He totally let it slide! YES, lets talk about those 11 hours Hillary!! Uuggghh.
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| SC Wrangler - 2016-09-27 10:01 PM
ThreeCorners - 2016-09-27 8:26 PM tin can - 2016-09-27 4:55 PM There are a lot of things trump has said during the republican debates i thought wow he is on to something,I seriously thought I might vote for him but what turns me off as a middle class American is that's all he says is its bad it's bad it's really bad, what if and I'm not totally anti trump he just has no substance?A lot of people have a lot of money him telling me over and over turns me off, and his tax plan concerns me. Just some insight to anyone wondering what a typical middleclass persons thoughts are, I am open to any thoughts as long as your respectful/ Your statement about taxes fails to take into consideration the personal exemptions, dependent exemptions and standard or itemized deductions, child care credits etc. Makes a considerable difference when calculating taxes. Also you should go and look at the currently existing tax brackets which again are based on taxable income not GROSS income and not much different that what you say Hillary is proposing.
True Hillary's tax plan isn't much different than the present BUT!! the current tax rate SUCK'S and than we have her 65% death tax just NUT'S. |
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Location: Kansas | ThreeCorners - 2016-09-27 8:26 PM tin can - 2016-09-27 4:55 PM There are a lot of things trump has said during the republican debates i thought wow he is on to something,I seriously thought I might vote for him but what turns me off as a middle class American is that's all he says is its bad it's bad it's really bad, what if and I'm not totally anti trump he just has no substance?A lot of people have a lot of money him telling me over and over turns me off, and his tax plan concerns me. Just some insight to anyone wondering what a typical middleclass persons thoughts are, I am open to any thoughts as long as your respectful/
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Location: wherever my daughter's running | I watched as much as I could take of it - which was about 15 minutes. :( I'm over 1/2 a century old and I have never felt at such a loss about a presidential election. I go by my voting location everyday and everyday I ask myself what am I going to do. I am a voter - I am a female and the rite for me to be able to vote is not a rite I take lightly. Honestly, and for what it is worth, there is a part of me that really believes Trump is where he is to insure Hillary's walk to the White House. |
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Location: Ky | The debates are pretty much useless and they should be. I don't think anyone that's still undecided at this should be allowed to vote. |
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| I'm white, middle class, with a good job and company paid health insurance.
This election scares the poop out of me. I do not favor the socialist leaning direction of the country. I am not sold on Trump but I am not voting for Hillary. It's an uncomfortable reality for me.
I need to see Trump act like a grown up, present clear and consistent answers, rise above the insults that got him here. He's a smart man, I want to believe he can do that, but the longer the charades go on the more uneasy I feel.
What I really think is critical is that Republicans maintain control of both houses of Congress. I think that evens out a Trump presidency and provides damage control to a Clinton presidency. Should Trump win and the dems take congress I think it's gridlock, even though he's a business man and likes to talk up his negotiating skills I don't think the dems will listen. Should the dems take congress and the White House...I don't want to think about it. |
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Location: Ky | OhMax - 2016-09-28 9:31 AM I'm white, middle class, with a good job and company paid health insurance. This election scares the poop out of me. I do not favor the socialist leaning direction of the country. I am not sold on Trump but I am not voting for Hillary. It's an uncomfortable reality for me. I need to see Trump act like a grown up, present clear and consistent answers, rise above the insults that got him here. He's a smart man, I want to believe he can do that, but the longer the charades go on the more uneasy I feel. What I really think is critical is that Republicans maintain control of both houses of Congress. I think that evens out a Trump presidency and provides damage control to a Clinton presidency. Should Trump win and the dems take congress I think it's gridlock, even though he's a business man and likes to talk up his negotiating skills I don't think the dems will listen. Should the dems take congress and the White House...I don't want to think about it.
Trump is a democrat politcally. I'm also white, upper middle class, small business owner and a yellow dog democrat.
I have no problem with Trump's polictics. It's the other things. I don't know Trump so I don't know if he's a racist. I do know he says racist things and has racists followers. I don't if he's a bigot. But he says bigoted things and has bigots following him. I don't know if he's a sexist but he says sexist things and he has sexist followers.
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| jd&ez - 2016-09-28 9:39 AM
OhMax - 2016-09-28 9:31 AM I'm white, middle class, with a good job and company paid health insurance. This election scares the poop out of me. I do not favor the socialist leaning direction of the country. I am not sold on Trump but I am not voting for Hillary. It's an uncomfortable reality for me. I need to see Trump act like a grown up, present clear and consistent answers, rise above the insults that got him here. He's a smart man, I want to believe he can do that, but the longer the charades go on the more uneasy I feel. What I really think is critical is that Republicans maintain control of both houses of Congress. I think that evens out a Trump presidency and provides damage control to a Clinton presidency. Should Trump win and the dems take congress I think it's gridlock, even though he's a business man and likes to talk up his negotiating skills I don't think the dems will listen. Should the dems take congress and the White House...I don't want to think about it.
Trump is a democrat politcally. I'm also white, upper middle class, small business owner and a yellow dog democrat.
I have no problem with Trump's polictics. It's the other things. I don't know Trump so I don't know if he's a racist. I do know he says racist things and has racists followers. I don't if he's a bigot. But he says bigoted things and has bigots following him. I don't know if he's a sexist but he says sexist things and he has sexist followers.
As a democrat I'm least concerned about his politics.
As a moderate republican his politics don't always sit well with me nor does his attitude. But I know I don't want Hillary.
And I know I'm not the only one in that position.
The congressional election outcomes concern me personally more than the presidential outcome, because I think we're screwed in one sense or another on that front. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | Some may feel Mr. Trump is not as passionate as they would like but I feel he is passionate with a spine. We don't need to continue with a government like we have had for the last decade. We need to look where that passionate spineless government is taking America. |
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Location: The Great Northwest | Bear - 2016-09-26 8:31 PM Any surprises? Trump missed his chance to hit Hillary hard on her email scandal when the issue of cyber security was brought up. I was very surprised. Hillary was on the offense most of the time, but I don't see a clear winner. Nobody scored a knockout punch.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jd&ez - 2016-09-28 9:39 AM
OhMax - 2016-09-28 9:31 AM I'm white, middle class, with a good job and company paid health insurance. This election scares the poop out of me. I do not favor the socialist leaning direction of the country. I am not sold on Trump but I am not voting for Hillary. It's an uncomfortable reality for me. I need to see Trump act like a grown up, present clear and consistent answers, rise above the insults that got him here. He's a smart man, I want to believe he can do that, but the longer the charades go on the more uneasy I feel. What I really think is critical is that Republicans maintain control of both houses of Congress. I think that evens out a Trump presidency and provides damage control to a Clinton presidency. Should Trump win and the dems take congress I think it's gridlock, even though he's a business man and likes to talk up his negotiating skills I don't think the dems will listen. Should the dems take congress and the White House...I don't want to think about it.
Trump is a democrat politcally. I'm also white, upper middle class, small business owner and a yellow dog democrat.
I have no problem with Trump's polictics. It's the other things. I don't know Trump so I don't know if he's a racist. I do know he says racist things and has racists followers. I don't if he's a bigot. But he says bigoted things and has bigots following him. I don't know if he's a sexist but he says sexist things and he has sexist followers.
As a democrat I'm least concerned about his politics.
The Democrat party has been inherently racist since its inception, and that racism continues to this very day. They use racist tactics every election cycle. Democrat-inspired racism is the main reason why this country is more racially divided since 50 years ago. The BLM movement is one good example. Indeed, our current president was elected purely on the basis of race, rather than past accomplishments. Credit LBJ for creating a black American monolithic voting block......he predicted blacks would vote Democrat for 200 years, except he used a racial epithet in his now famous prediction. Fast forward to the present and one only needs to look at leaked DNC communiques to find examples of their bigoted philosophy. As to the matter of sexism, Trump certainly hasn't cornered the market on that. The Democrat party is rich with misogynists. To wit: Bill Clinton. |
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Location: Ky | Bear - 2016-09-28 10:28 AM jd&ez - 2016-09-28 9:39 AM OhMax - 2016-09-28 9:31 AM I'm white, middle class, with a good job and company paid health insurance. This election scares the poop out of me. I do not favor the socialist leaning direction of the country. I am not sold on Trump but I am not voting for Hillary. It's an uncomfortable reality for me. I need to see Trump act like a grown up, present clear and consistent answers, rise above the insults that got him here. He's a smart man, I want to believe he can do that, but the longer the charades go on the more uneasy I feel. What I really think is critical is that Republicans maintain control of both houses of Congress. I think that evens out a Trump presidency and provides damage control to a Clinton presidency. Should Trump win and the dems take congress I think it's gridlock, even though he's a business man and likes to talk up his negotiating skills I don't think the dems will listen. Should the dems take congress and the White House...I don't want to think about it. Trump is a democrat politcally. I'm also white, upper middle class, small business owner and a yellow dog democrat.
I have no problem with Trump's polictics. It's the other things. I don't know Trump so I don't know if he's a racist. I do know he says racist things and has racists followers. I don't if he's a bigot. But he says bigoted things and has bigots following him. I don't know if he's a sexist but he says sexist things and he has sexist followers.
As a democrat I'm least concerned about his politics. The Democrat party has been inherently racist since its inception, and that racism continues to this very day. They use racist tactics every election cycle. Democrat-inspired racism is the main reason why this country is more racially divided since 50 years ago. The BLM movement is one good example. Indeed, our current president was elected purely on the basis of race, rather than past accomplishments. Credit LBJ for creating a black American monolithic voting block......he predicted blacks would vote Democrat for 200 years, except he used a racial epithet in his now famous prediction. Fast forward to the present and one only needs to look at leaked DNC communiques to find examples of their bigoted philosophy. As to the matter of sexism, Trump certainly hasn't cornered the market on that. The Democrat party is rich with misogynists. To wit: Bill Clinton.
You couldn't possibly be more wrong. Your shape shifting just won't hunt. The GOP is racist to the core. That's what trump connected to. He is the face of the GOP. He just says the stuff in public that the rest say in private.
Trump is a democrat politcally. he would have run as a democrat but he knew he couldn't win the nomination. His racist act doesn't play with democrats.
Case in point, my 70 year old father in law is as racist and bigoted as they come. Of course it's in private and around family when he spews his venom. To a black or hispanic in public he is a polite as can be. He has never voted in his life. Never been registered to vote in his life. he registered this year so he can vote for Trump. Trump speaks his language. Not on the economy, foreign policy or anything of substance. He couldn't care less about any of that. he connects with Trump as a fellow racist and bigot. And he is not alone. At a local hole in wall restaruant where he goes fro breakfast every Saturday morning almost everyone in there is in lock step agreement with him. Naturally no blacks or hispanics or asians frequent this place.
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Location: Some where I haven't left yet | jd&ez - 2016-09-28 8:52 AM Bear - 2016-09-28 10:28 AM jd&ez - 2016-09-28 9:39 AM OhMax - 2016-09-28 9:31 AM I'm white, middle class, with a good job and company paid health insurance. This election scares the poop out of me. I do not favor the socialist leaning direction of the country. I am not sold on Trump but I am not voting for Hillary. It's an uncomfortable reality for me. I need to see Trump act like a grown up, present clear and consistent answers, rise above the insults that got him here. He's a smart man, I want to believe he can do that, but the longer the charades go on the more uneasy I feel. What I really think is critical is that Republicans maintain control of both houses of Congress. I think that evens out a Trump presidency and provides damage control to a Clinton presidency. Should Trump win and the dems take congress I think it's gridlock, even though he's a business man and likes to talk up his negotiating skills I don't think the dems will listen. Should the dems take congress and the White House...I don't want to think about it. Trump is a democrat politcally. I'm also white, upper middle class, small business owner and a yellow dog democrat.
I have no problem with Trump's polictics. It's the other things. I don't know Trump so I don't know if he's a racist. I do know he says racist things and has racists followers. I don't if he's a bigot. But he says bigoted things and has bigots following him. I don't know if he's a sexist but he says sexist things and he has sexist followers.
As a democrat I'm least concerned about his politics. The Democrat party has been inherently racist since its inception, and that racism continues to this very day. They use racist tactics every election cycle. Democrat-inspired racism is the main reason why this country is more racially divided since 50 years ago. The BLM movement is one good example. Indeed, our current president was elected purely on the basis of race, rather than past accomplishments. Credit LBJ for creating a black American monolithic voting block......he predicted blacks would vote Democrat for 200 years, except he used a racial epithet in his now famous prediction. Fast forward to the present and one only needs to look at leaked DNC communiques to find examples of their bigoted philosophy. As to the matter of sexism, Trump certainly hasn't cornered the market on that. The Democrat party is rich with misogynists. To wit: Bill Clinton.
Trump is a democrat politcally. he would have run as a democrat but he knew he couldn't win the nomination. His racist act doesn't play with democrats.
Case in point, my 70 year old father in law is as racist and bigoted as they come. Of course it's in private and around family when he spews his venom. To a black or hispanic in public he is a polite as can be. He has never voted in his life. Never been registered to vote in his life. he registered this year so he can vote for Trump. Trump speaks his language. Not on the economy, foreign policy or anything of substance. He couldn't care less about any of that. he connects with Trump as a fellow racist and bigot. And he is not alone. At a local hole in wall restaruant where he goes fro breakfast every Saturday morning almost everyone in there is in lock step agreement with him. Naturally no blacks or hispanics or asians frequent this place.
I have to disagree with you. I fail to see how Trump is racist and bigoted all because your father-in-law is racist and bigoted and now voting Trump. The leaked e-mails from the DNC show me about the character of the Democratic party far more than some hillbilly voting Trump. I consider myself a conservative republican and I personally could care less what color anyone is. The one thing that I have noticed is that the racial divide is being stirred up by the Democrats and far left leaning media. Example Clinton in the 90's speaking of imigration vs Trump Now. The sooner people say "WE ARE AMERICANS" and stop bringing up skin color, the sooner we can unite. Now with the fact that when someone doesn't agree with the current "agenda" they are racist and bigoted. All I can think is REALLY?!? come up with something factual and argue with logic not emotion. Fact if you are in this Country Illegally, then it's "ILLEGAL" for you to be here and I'm not racist for wanting someone to come here LEGALLY! All of this finger pointing that someone is "racist and bigoted" like we are all back in the third grade is beyond immature. There are a bunch of people who need to GROW UP and act like adults. Argue with fact, reason and logic - STOP name calling. I'm against Killary because of a great number of things and all of them have NOTHING to do with the fact she is a woman, and everything to do with her character and what she believes. As a Business owner I can't afford her, and people need to remember "You can not legislate morality". Case in point - murder has been against the law for a LONG time and it still happens. |
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Location: Missouri | I watched. Hillary is a career politician and was more prepared. Trump did a good job not flying off the handle, so that was a big win for him.
I hope Trump get's a little more polished and prepared by the LAST debate, because that is the one the people will remember, not the first one.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jd&ez - 2016-09-28 10:52 AM
Bear - 2016-09-28 10:28 AM jd&ez - 2016-09-28 9:39 AM OhMax - 2016-09-28 9:31 AM I'm white, middle class, with a good job and company paid health insurance. This election scares the poop out of me. I do not favor the socialist leaning direction of the country. I am not sold on Trump but I am not voting for Hillary. It's an uncomfortable reality for me. I need to see Trump act like a grown up, present clear and consistent answers, rise above the insults that got him here. He's a smart man, I want to believe he can do that, but the longer the charades go on the more uneasy I feel. What I really think is critical is that Republicans maintain control of both houses of Congress. I think that evens out a Trump presidency and provides damage control to a Clinton presidency. Should Trump win and the dems take congress I think it's gridlock, even though he's a business man and likes to talk up his negotiating skills I don't think the dems will listen. Should the dems take congress and the White House...I don't want to think about it. Trump is a democrat politcally. I'm also white, upper middle class, small business owner and a yellow dog democrat.
I have no problem with Trump's polictics. It's the other things. I don't know Trump so I don't know if he's a racist. I do know he says racist things and has racists followers. I don't if he's a bigot. But he says bigoted things and has bigots following him. I don't know if he's a sexist but he says sexist things and he has sexist followers.
As a democrat I'm least concerned about his politics. The Democrat party has been inherently racist since its inception, and that racism continues to this very day. They use racist tactics every election cycle. Democrat-inspired racism is the main reason why this country is more racially divided since 50 years ago. The BLM movement is one good example. Indeed, our current president was elected purely on the basis of race, rather than past accomplishments. Credit LBJ for creating a black American monolithic voting block......he predicted blacks would vote Democrat for 200 years, except he used a racial epithet in his now famous prediction. Fast forward to the present and one only needs to look at leaked DNC communiques to find examples of their bigoted philosophy. As to the matter of sexism, Trump certainly hasn't cornered the market on that. The Democrat party is rich with misogynists. To wit: Bill Clinton.
Trump is a democrat politcally. he would have run as a democrat but he knew he couldn't win the nomination. His racist act doesn't play with democrats.
Case in point, my 70 year old father in law is as racist and bigoted as they come. Of course it's in private and around family when he spews his venom. To a black or hispanic in public he is a polite as can be. He has never voted in his life. Never been registered to vote in his life. he registered this year so he can vote for Trump. Trump speaks his language. Not on the economy, foreign policy or anything of substance. He couldn't care less about any of that. he connects with Trump as a fellow racist and bigot. And he is not alone. At a local hole in wall restaruant where he goes fro breakfast every Saturday morning almost everyone in there is in lock step agreement with him. Naturally no blacks or hispanics or asians frequent this place.
I thought there was a possibility that you at least had an average IQ.
I was wrong.
The fact that you have racist relatives who are voting for Trump does not make him racist. It only tells me you have racists in your family.
It doesn't make you a racist either....although you are a Yellow Dog lemming, which does lend you to a certain guilt by association...that is if I had a brain that works like yours.
If you want to engage in identity politics in this debate, you will lose every day, and twice on Sunday.
When Hillary referred to young black males as "super predators", is that racist, or does she get a pass from servile lemmings such as yourself?
What about the DNC emails that were revealed prior to the Democrat National Convention? Have you been programmed to give the DNC a pass on those as well? |
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Location: Kansas | Well, I'm at work and didn't get to find out all the details but it seems the saintly Hispanic Miss Universe (Alicia Machado) who Hillary Clinton was viciously using to try to embarrass Donald Trump at the debate has a past that includes accomplice to murder and threatening to kill a pageant judge. My My!!!! So Clintonish.
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Frodo - 2016-09-28 4:22 PM Well, I'm at work and didn't get to find out all the details but it seems the saintly Hispanic Miss Universe (Alicia Machado) who Hillary Clinton was viciously using to try to embarrass Donald Trump at the debate has a past that includes accomplice to murder and threatening to kill a pageant judge. My My!!!! So Clintonish.
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Frodo - 2016-09-28 3:22 PM Well, I'm at work and didn't get to find out all the details but it seems the saintly Hispanic Miss Universe (Alicia Machado) who Hillary Clinton was viciously using to try to embarrass Donald Trump at the debate has a past that includes accomplice to murder and threatening to kill a pageant judge. My My!!!! So Clintonish.
Not a pageant judge, a real judge presiding over her boyfriends case in Venezuela. Also, it seems the Clinton camp has been planning the little ambush that happened at the debate for a few months. So sick of chicken **** politicians spewing out rehearsed lines instead of actually speaking from the heart. Of course in Hillarys case she would have to have a heart to speak from one and she doesn't. |
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Location: Kansas | Barnmom - 2016-09-28 3:44 PM Frodo - 2016-09-28 3:22 PM Well, I'm at work and didn't get to find out all the details but it seems the saintly Hispanic Miss Universe (Alicia Machado) who Hillary Clinton was viciously using to try to embarrass Donald Trump at the debate has a past that includes accomplice to murder and threatening to kill a pageant judge. My My!!!! So Clintonish.
Not a pageant judge, a real judge presiding over her boyfriends case in Venezuela. Also, it seems the Clinton camp has been planning the little ambush that happened at the debate for a few months. So sick of chicken **** politicians spewing out rehearsed lines instead of actually speaking from the heart. Of course in Hillarys case she would have to have a heart to speak from one and she doesn't.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | I cant understand how Hillary can say all the crap about how Trump treats women, shes the ONE taking money from all the countrys that treat women as animals by beating and killing women, Bill HER husband has raped women and treat women like trash and ruin these womens lives by threats and calling them liers when hes the one that did the raping. And Hillary knows what her husband has done in the past and present to women, this is one SICK family and he hangs out with hookers that his buddy {I cant remember his name and dont care too but know that hes a pervert} sets him up with while flying around in his jet/plane. What the heck is wrong with them??!!! And the supporters for ole Hillary just turn a blind eye to this, where are their/supporters morals?? Tell me why is this right Hillary people.. Tell me why Trump is so bad. |
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Bear - 2016-09-28 10:28 AM jd&ez - 2016-09-28 9:39 AM OhMax - 2016-09-28 9:31 AM I'm white, middle class, with a good job and company paid health insurance. This election scares the poop out of me. I do not favor the socialist leaning direction of the country. I am not sold on Trump but I am not voting for Hillary. It's an uncomfortable reality for me. I need to see Trump act like a grown up, present clear and consistent answers, rise above the insults that got him here. He's a smart man, I want to believe he can do that, but the longer the charades go on the more uneasy I feel. What I really think is critical is that Republicans maintain control of both houses of Congress. I think that evens out a Trump presidency and provides damage control to a Clinton presidency. Should Trump win and the dems take congress I think it's gridlock, even though he's a business man and likes to talk up his negotiating skills I don't think the dems will listen. Should the dems take congress and the White House...I don't want to think about it. Trump is a democrat politcally. I'm also white, upper middle class, small business owner and a yellow dog democrat.
I have no problem with Trump's polictics. It's the other things. I don't know Trump so I don't know if he's a racist. I do know he says racist things and has racists followers. I don't if he's a bigot. But he says bigoted things and has bigots following him. I don't know if he's a sexist but he says sexist things and he has sexist followers.
As a democrat I'm least concerned about his politics. The Democrat party has been inherently racist since its inception, and that racism continues to this very day. They use racist tactics every election cycle. Democrat-inspired racism is the main reason why this country is more racially divided since 50 years ago. The BLM movement is one good example. Indeed, our current president was elected purely on the basis of race, rather than past accomplishments. Credit LBJ for creating a black American monolithic voting block......he predicted blacks would vote Democrat for 200 years, except he used a racial epithet in his now famous prediction. Fast forward to the present and one only needs to look at leaked DNC communiques to find examples of their bigoted philosophy. As to the matter of sexism, Trump certainly hasn't cornered the market on that. The Democrat party is rich with misogynists. To wit: Bill Clinton.
Trump is a democrat politcally. he would have run as a democrat but he knew he couldn't win the nomination. His racist act doesn't play with democrats.
Case in point, my 70 year old father in law is as racist and bigoted as they come. Of course it's in private and around family when he spews his venom. To a black or hispanic in public he is a polite as can be. He has never voted in his life. Never been registered to vote in his life. he registered this year so he can vote for Trump. Trump speaks his language. Not on the economy, foreign policy or anything of substance. He couldn't care less about any of that. he connects with Trump as a fellow racist and bigot. And he is not alone. At a local hole in wall restaruant where he goes fro breakfast every Saturday morning almost everyone in there is in lock step agreement with him. Naturally no blacks or hispanics or asians frequent this place.
You might want to review your history if you don't think democrats are racist. Especially your Civil War history....like who wanted to stop slavery and who started the KKK.
Democrats want to racial divide the country. They just lie to our face and then pull strings behind the scene. If they divide the country then it will be easier to sneak in the One World Government that Obama has been campaigning for. The media has the American population in such an uproar over the NFL/National Anthem thing, the BLM fighting a war on cops and the general white population and Trump/Hillary that while we are focused on that, no one is asking about the gold reserve problem (China wanting it back), the $6.5 trillion the Pentegon has "misplaced and can't account for" and Obama's speech at the UN. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | The truth of the matter is that the Democrat party WANTS racism. They NEED racism. People like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton make their living off racism. If racism is ever close to being non-existent, they would be out of work. The same holds true with the Democrat party. They need class warfare & racism, along with other categories of division. |
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| I'll bring something up that nobody else has here - what was the DEAL with Trump and his sniffling??? Did anybody else find that weird? (And I AM a Trump supporter). Made me wonder if he was doing coke or what the heck? |
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Location: Kansas | Griz - 2016-09-29 5:31 AM I'll bring something up that nobody else has here - what was the DEAL with Trump and his sniffling??? Did anybody else find that weird? (And I AM a Trump supporter). Made me wonder if he was doing coke or what the heck?
Looks to me like a nervous tic and like many things that happened in this debate probably won't happen again. If you want to see something disturbing google Hillary's seizures. |
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| jd&ez - 2016-09-28 9:39 AM
OhMax - 2016-09-28 9:31 AM I'm white, middle class, with a good job and company paid health insurance. This election scares the poop out of me. I do not favor the socialist leaning direction of the country. I am not sold on Trump but I am not voting for Hillary. It's an uncomfortable reality for me. I need to see Trump act like a grown up, present clear and consistent answers, rise above the insults that got him here. He's a smart man, I want to believe he can do that, but the longer the charades go on the more uneasy I feel. What I really think is critical is that Republicans maintain control of both houses of Congress. I think that evens out a Trump presidency and provides damage control to a Clinton presidency. Should Trump win and the dems take congress I think it's gridlock, even though he's a business man and likes to talk up his negotiating skills I don't think the dems will listen. Should the dems take congress and the White House...I don't want to think about it.
Trump is a democrat politcally. I'm also white, upper middle class, small business owner and a yellow dog democrat.
I have no problem with Trump's polictics. It's the other things. I don't know Trump so I don't know if he's a racist. I do know he says racist things and has racists followers. I don't if he's a bigot. But he says bigoted things and has bigots following him. I don't know if he's a sexist but he says sexist things and he has sexist followers.
As a democrat I'm least concerned about his politics.
Kind of like the DNC chair referring to "taco bowl voters"?? |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Maybe I don't watch enough TV, but I hear the media *telling* us Trump said racist things, but when you look at the whole of what he actually said rather than edited video clips, It wasn't actually racist. "Illegal immigrant" is not a race. They have even been known to put racist words in his mouth like when he was talking about Israel profiling and one of the news channels reported it as he said "racial profiling" when he absolutely didnt. They're spinning a narrative and folks are buying it.
And if saying ugly things about Rosie O'Donnell makes him a misogynist, then almost every man I know could be described as such. Including my husband, who is as far from a woman hater as a man can get. I don't think his daughter could be such a confident successful woman who obviously thinks the world of her dad if he had ever given her the feeling that she was less for her gender. There are lots of things to legit criticize him for without making crap up. |
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| skye - 2016-09-28 10:18 AM
Bear - 2016-09-26 8:31 PM Any surprises? Trump missed his chance to hit Hillary hard on her email scandal when the issue of cyber security was brought up. I was very surprised. Hillary was on the offense most of the time, but I don't see a clear winner. Nobody scored a knockout punch.
I felt he did a great job on getting back to Crooked Hillary on the emails and Cyber Security. He was very presidential on that matter.
Trump on "the Cyber". Presidential?
At the presidential debate Monday night, Donald Trump drew attention to “the cyber,” as he put it, in an incoherent response to this question, posed by the moderator Lester Holt: “Our institutions are under cyber attack, and our secrets are being stolen. So my question is, who's behind it? And how do we fight it?” Here’s part of what Trump said:
As far as the cyber, I agree to parts of what Secretary Clinton said. We should be better than anybody else, and perhaps we’re not. I don’t think anybody knows that it was Russia that broke into the DNC. She’s saying Russia, Russia, Russia—I don't, maybe it was. I mean, it could be Russia, but it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay?
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We came in with the Internet. We came up with the Internet. And I think Secretary Clinton and myself would agree very much, when you look at what ISIS is doing with the Internet, they’re beating us at our own game. ISIS.
So we had to get very, very tough on cyber and cyber warfare. It is a huge problem. I have a son—he’s 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers. It’s unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. And maybe, it's hardly doable. But I will say, we are not doing the job we should be doing. But that’s true throughout our whole governmental society. We have so many things that we have to do better, Lester. And certainly cyber is one of them. |
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Location: Florida | Rudy Guillannie <sp> who has been advising Trump, said on the news that Trump shouldn't do any more debates. Trump hasn't said anything like that. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-09-29 8:59 AM
skye - 2016-09-28 10:18 AM
Bear - 2016-09-26 8:31 PM Any surprises? Trump missed his chance to hit Hillary hard on her email scandal when the issue of cyber security was brought up. I was very surprised. Hillary was on the offense most of the time, but I don't see a clear winner. Nobody scored a knockout punch.
I felt he did a great job on getting back to Crooked Hillary on the emails and Cyber Security. He was very presidential on that matter.
Trump on "the Cyber". Presidential?
At the presidential debate Monday night, Donald Trump drew attention to “the cyber,” as he put it, in an incoherent response to this question, posed by the moderator Lester Holt: “Our institutions are under cyber attack, and our secrets are being stolen. So my question is, who's behind it? And how do we fight it?” Here’s part of what Trump said:
As far as the cyber, I agree to parts of what Secretary Clinton said. We should be better than anybody else, and perhaps we’re not. I don’t think anybody knows that it was Russia that broke into the DNC. She’s saying Russia, Russia, Russia—I don't, maybe it was. I mean, it could be Russia, but it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay?
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We came in with the Internet. We came up with the Internet. And I think Secretary Clinton and myself would agree very much, when you look at what ISIS is doing with the Internet, they’re beating us at our own game. ISIS.
So we had to get very, very tough on cyber and cyber warfare. It is a huge problem. I have a son—he’s 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers. It’s unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. And maybe, it's hardly doable. But I will say, we are not doing the job we should be doing. But that’s true throughout our whole governmental society. We have so many things that we have to do better, Lester. And certainly cyber is one of them.
So you copied and pasted this. I read it. My question is, what's your point?
Trump was very lenient on this question. He could have slammed that corrupt wicked woman on this. All he needed to do was point out Hillary's arrogance, recklessness, and incompetence on her own handling of cyber security. That is just plain indisputable fact. |
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Go Get Em!
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Location: OH. IO | If he comes out swinging they are AFRAID of him...if he keeps his composer HES WEAK......Democrats roll like the BLM. No matter what he does the mainstream media tries to turn him upside down all the while protecting the one that put our country in danger. If the email scandals was out in the open WHICH IT SHOULD BE she would be buried by now.speaking of buried......Comey isn't doing so good.i predict he does himself in soon. |
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| Frodo - 2016-09-29 6:32 AM
Griz - 2016-09-29 5:31 AM I'll bring something up that nobody else has here - what was the DEAL with Trump and his sniffling??? Did anybody else find that weird? (And I AM a Trump supporter). Made me wonder if he was doing coke or what the heck?
Looks to me like a nervous tic and like many things that happened in this debate probably won't happen again. If you want to see something disturbing google Hillary's seizures.
I have! I was just WAITING for her to have a "spell" during the debate but it didn't happen. |
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