GLP - 2016-10-01 3:49 PM I am with STPG, get his teeth floated and do tummy lifts everyday.

cowgirl_3207 - 2016-10-01 2:22 PM

I don't have his papers back yet. But his sire is FIRST DOWN CASH and his dam is by victory stride out of a Tiny Charger mare. I owned his half sister out of the same dam, but she by Beda cheng. She was massive! She looked like she was on steriods all the time.

BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-01 7:47 PM


I think this is your gelding or a full brother ...
FIERY STRIDE
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/fiery+stride

Judging from the one photo you provided .. he looks like he should per his pedigree .. as a throwback to the old framed TB horses he has in his pedigree ..
His sire was no halter horse but if you want to see a lookalike ... click on MENOW TB and take a look. You can see your horse has the flat muscling of your older TB lines back in the 40's to the early 70's. He also has some of the characteristics of Victory Stride .. high withers, weak groin and a high tail set which becomes flatter with age.

My 3rd eye sez that right now he is 75% as good as he is going to look. Looking at his dropped high withers, weak groin, flat rump which gives him a sway to his back... typical older old framed TB look.... If I was at a sale in the northwest and he came thru .. my first thoughts would be .. he has been put to work as a pack horse and/or rental horse.

The reason your other horse looked so much different probably with heavy bone and good muscling is very simple ... BEDA CHENG is a son of Beduino ...
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/beda+cheng

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I recently (less then 60days) bought my daughter a new gelding. He is all race bred(qh) and 16 years old. He came needing topline mass. Right now i have him on free choice good quality grass hay. 5# alfalfa twice a day, and renew gold twice a day plus vitaquine supplements, aloe juice, slippery elm, licorice root and magnesium( he has had ulcer issues in the past). I alsobrecebtly had a fecal done and dewormed him again about three weeks ago. He gets ridden several times a week. Long trotting collected and hill work. We are still lacking Topline! I'm trying to decide on buying THE muscle mass or DAC products?
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You have had him less than 60 days and wormed him twice which takes an older horse about 2-3 weeks to recover from each worming and everything settle back to normal.
You have a one year program ahead of you to bring out the best in him as he continues to grow older .. so get him on a solid horse feed program and cut out the supplements ... there is no magic pill you can buy to suddenly make him look younger. But you can put a healthy bloom on him and make him shine even more with a simple fat persons intake of food .. lol

Medically speaking he just needs some maintenance ... get his teeth done and make sure they get the ones way in the back and take notice how is top front extends outward over his front bottom teeth or if top and bottom are both angled outwards .. ... this gives you an idea of how he will eat grass in a pasture and the type of grain // horse feed to buy.. I would also give him a full tube of Quest asap. and that's all .. Teeth and worms .. no power packs!!

Buy a 3 qt plastic scoop at your feed store ... $3-4 ... a scoop of most horse feeds will weigh ~3 lbs ... put a scoop of each into different Walmart bags and go weigh each on their vegetable scales and feel confident on making your feeding easy .. these things come in red or green ..

Please don't go fat crazy and buy high fat horse feed ... anything over 5-6% fat is nothing but used restaurant fat oils mixed into feed by milling companies ... with a lot of other junk from human food processing.. especially the by products of ethanol makers and no beet pulp ...

Since you are working on only one horse ... no round bales of hay ... too much low quality hay on the outside surfaces and we are going to start regulating his hay intake ... which can nullify or drop the overall food value of the other stuff I am going to suggest ...

Up his alfalfa to 15 lbs per day ... and hay bag his hay and learn how much he eats in 24 hours from sq baled hay..... drop the amount of hay you feed so he has very little left in his hay bag ... no need to waste it on the stall floor.

Now I am going to take this 48-54 year old 4 legged man to dinner with me and a couple of other fat old men .. lol ..

The alfalfa and hay will be our daily buffet but we are also going to go to some Mexican food taco bars and an Italian joint ... then stop by the gym and work out a little each week and get us some good protein and fatty sprinkles along with a dose of vitamins and minerals ...... ok here we go .. lol
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15 lbs of alfalfa plus overnight hay buffet ... keep in mind alfalfa is rated at 16-20% protein ..

Find you a good standard 14% sweet feed with chopped corn tacos and corn shucked tamales in it and less than 15% fiber ... this will firm him up in areas he doesn't normally exercise.

Now for the Italian food ... whole oats .. you want this horse to chew his food and do a lot of slobbering to start the digestion cycle .. just think spaghetti or lasagna ....

Do a 50-50 mix of the two .. sweet feed and whole oats to equal .. 7-9 lbs and drop it to 6 lbs after he starts to bloom ..

Now for the trip to the gym for the protein and fatty smoozie .... half a cup daily of whole flax seed ... $35ish for a 50# bag... no grinding!! This will make him shine like new money and glow in the dark .. and up his digestive powers ..

And for the vitamins and minerals ... a daily handful of ADM GroStrong vitamins and minerals. .. do a 25# of red colored loose minerals .. not the pelleted kind .. about $30 for the 25# bag .. when you see some being left in his feeder .. do it every other day ..
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You will like the light in his eyes and looking like a healthy athlete within 60-90 days .. the filling in the low spots make take a year for him to fill out ... just ride him normal with a lot of pasture riding and have fun teaching him every cue you would if you were in a confined arena ... if you ride too ... play a lot of pasture train games jump logs, turn around bushes, creek banks, water crossings and ride different gaits together and see who breaks the gait first ...

I know my feeding program sounds simple ... because it is and contains the grains, proteins and normal plant fats along with a dose of vits and mins to round out the natural feeds horses thrive on!!

AND he looks like the kind of horse I would buy my daughter to develop her horseman skills and make her whine for a long time when she wants to step up and asks for more horse to ride ...

GOOD LUCK ... the above IS MY FEEDING PROGRAM ... AND IT WORKS to bring one up to snuff and maintain one after they get the bloom going ...

My consulting fee is half the money you are going to save by not buying all of those non horsey supplements that companies market to death ... lol

Barnmom - 2016-10-02 12:47 PM

Your program sounds pretty good, you may just want to add about two cups of stablized rice bran twice a day.  I have had better luck with that than I have anything else.  If you wanted to do a supplement, THE is a very good company, love thier stuff! 

BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-02 1:38 PM I never understand people feeding human food waste products being fed to horses. Like the stabilized rice bran .. do you not understand that the stabilized means they had to add some chemicals to keep the oxygen in the air from turning it rancid and creating problems with your horses digestive system. Also knowing this stabilizing process is on the waste material that has been sitting around in a box car for weeks or months. So... How do they sort out the stuff that has already turned rancid?? I can understand your feeding a waste product since so much rice is raised in Louisiana and Southern Arkansas which makes it available and cheap. One vet bill due to the rice bran is far more than just feeding a good natural grain(s) to begin with. Ulcers in horses ... are not ulcers but sore spots due to a horse not being fed enough to keep the wrinkles out of his stomach or colon(s) ... If it was ulcers they would have a hole eaten out and we would not see the miracle of some stating things like ... within 2 days of taking horse Tums he is ready to go back into competition ..... it takes months of healing to heal an ulcer due to having to lower the acid in the digestive system so the healing will be faster than the acid eating a hole in the lining of the stomach or colon's ... A sore spot .. feed'em good and if needed give them a squirt of baking soda to get the quick healing process started once the wrinkle has been stretched back to normal .. Folks .. we are in serious trouble with our horse and human food Look at all the stuff you can't pronounce on your feed sack and on the pkg of your favorite cupcake.. do you have any of this crap at home to add to food you cook for your family?? lol Ask yourself when looking at supplements .... Does this stuff grow naturally in my pasture and would I feed this to myself?? lol

streakysox - 2016-10-03 11:05 AM

I have an older gelding that is almost all thoroughbred reg as a QH. My feeding program is VERY simple. Feed and Platinum Performance. He is retired now but when I ran him he got UGARD everyday. He is kind of a high anxiety horse but found UGARD worked great. I just make sure that he gets enough feed. I feed a mid price 14% protein feed made by a local mill. I feed 3 lbs. in the morning an three pounds at night. In the winter he does get hay and I increase his feed to 4 lbs morning and night. I have tried every supplement out there and given each a long trial--6 months to a year. Plastnum works best for me.