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| I have a tb that will I'm having trouble getting to take the right lead. I know there was a post a few weeks ago about this. Info on the situation: horse came off the track. I have lounge her in the right lead, cue her to take it and I've been very patient with her. Every once in awhile I can get her to take it. She can literally lope a tight right circle on the left lead. If I ask for more speed, she still won't switch. I've googled things to try and I'm at a standstill. She's a good horse, she just can't figure out what I'm asking her to do. I spent almost two hrs tonight trying to get her to take the correct lead. She finally did, but tomorrow it will be the same thing again. Advice?
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | No reason to spend 2 hours drilling a horse on the same thing. You're going to end up with less than you have now. The horse either isn't fit enough to take that lead yet/and sustain it, or it's hurting somewhere. |
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| Tilt The Kilt - 2016-10-03 8:01 PM
No reason to spend 2 hours drilling a horse on the same thing. You're going to end up with less than you have now. The horse either isn't fit enough to take that lead yet/and sustain it, or it's hurting somewhere.
So how would you get her to take the lead? She gets rode and is in good shape. She hasn't shown signs of soreness. No bucking, pinning ears, refusing. She just automatically picks up the left lead. |
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| Try long trotting your mare in a circle to the right
After a couple of circles at a trot,
When you feel your mare gathered and in good position to take the right lead, just kiss to her to ask her to lope without "asking" her to take the right lead with your body position,leg, etc.
If she goes into a lope and takes the correct lead, praise her and then go onto something else.
If she doesn't get the lead, just keep lining her up for success when you try and hopefully she will eventually get it.
Try and make sure you are not doing anything at all with your body when you ask for that lead...
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Location: Southern Indiana | How are you cueing her? Is she stiff that direction? I tip the nose to the inside and cue with my inside leg.
I wouldn't keep loping on the wrong lead, stop and try again until she picks it up. Let her lope a little ways when she gets it then stop and pet her. Repeat. Don't over do it. When she gets it reward her. When she doesn't, she needs to know she did something wrong. |
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| First of all I would suspect soreness, there are so many ways a horse tells a rider they are sore, swishing the tail, not picking up leads, leaning in when they do take it, cinchy, and the list goes on.
Secondly an old horseman told me how to pick up a lead and it is fool proof but you do look like a fool doing it.
Picture a saddle bronc rider, lift the rein you want the horse to pick up sky high. Get their nose don't pull their head off. With the other arm lean back so your free hand can touch the point of hip on the opposit side you want the horse to pick up. Inside leg should remain on the cinch. The shift in balance forces the horse to pick it up. |
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| cheryl makofka - 2016-10-03 9:46 PM
First of all I would suspect soreness, there are so many ways a horse tells a rider they are sore, swishing the tail, not picking up leads, leaning in when they do take it, cinchy, and the list goes on.
Secondly an old horseman told me how to pick up a lead and it is fool proof but you do look like a fool doing it.
Picture a saddle bronc rider, lift the rein you want the horse to pick up sky high. Get their nose don't pull their head off. With the other arm lean back so your free hand can touch the point of hip on the opposit side you want the horse to pick up. Inside leg should remain on the cinch. The shift in balance forces the horse to pick it up.
I will try this. No tail swishing or anything. I feel that she is just dominate on her left lead. I may be completely wrong.
To the others, I have tried all of this. I've trotted a right circle and she still picks up the lead. In some situations she will take the right, but rarely. When she picks up the wrong one, I go back to a trot and try again. When and if she does pick up the correct one, I let her lope off a few circles, then stop and praise her. |
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| I was the OP on the lead post a few weeks back and I am FINALLY having some consistent success. What I think really helped was going back to the basics. I had been so focused on a while on moving her shoulders that her hind end got stiff. I went back to moving her hind quarters and then really really really really overemphasizing moving her hip out prior to getting her in a lope. I literally had my right foot (I was picking up the left lead) on her flank pushing her hind end to the left, had her nose a little with my left hand, and then queued her to move forward by kissing/clucking and slightly tapping with me left foot if needed.
This video helped a lot on how to overemphasize body position because we were struggling with this so much.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=clinton+anderson+lead+changes&v...
Goodluck and stay patient!!! They will come around!! :-) |
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| Move the back end first the front end will follow. Basic's always go back to basic's |
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Location: Where the stars at night are big and bright, TX | pepsi97 - 2016-10-03 8:41 PM Tilt The Kilt - 2016-10-03 8:01 PM No reason to spend 2 hours drilling a horse on the same thing. You're going to end up with less than you have now. The horse either isn't fit enough to take that lead yet/and sustain it, or it's hurting somewhere. So how would you get her to take the lead? She gets rode and is in good shape. She hasn't shown signs of soreness. No bucking, pinning ears, refusing. She just automatically picks up the left lead.
None of those things have to exist for her to still be in pain, doesn't always have to be so dramatic. But refusing to pick it up is itself a sign. And automatically picking up the left doesn't translate into picking up the right.
How long has she been off the track?
A person's idea of fit isn't the horse's requirements of fit.
And lastely a thorough vet exam including xrays to start with.
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| Tilt The Kilt - 2016-10-04 7:32 AM
pepsi97 - 2016-10-03 8:41 PM Tilt The Kilt - 2016-10-03 8:01 PM No reason to spend 2 hours drilling a horse on the same thing. You're going to end up with less than you have now. The horse either isn't fit enough to take that lead yet/and sustain it, or it's hurting somewhere. So how would you get her to take the lead? She gets rode and is in good shape. She hasn't shown signs of soreness. No bucking, pinning ears, refusing. She just automatically picks up the left lead.
How long has she been off the track?
A person's idea of fit isn't the horse's requirements of fit.
And lastely a thorough vet exam including xrays to start with.
She's been off the track for 6 yrs. She had four outs then I got her. She's been in the pasture and I've rode her on and off till this year. I've been working with her consistently and teaching her all the basics. Now that we've moved on to leads she won't pick the right one up. She will however pick it up in the round pen. |
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| If you ask and ask and are doing everything to make her catch it and shes not then its not training it is that she physically can not. |
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| This is what reiners do. Make sure the horse will move off your leg and will flex easily. Tip the horse's nose to the left and kick with the left foot. This should make the horse move to the right, forcicng the right front foot forward. If you do this at a trot the horse should pick up the lead. Wrong lead stop and try again. Correct lead keep going in circles and straight lines. I think this horse has never been taught ques for picking up leads.
I will add that this is not the best way to que a horse for leads for barrel racing but it is effective in teaching a horse to just pick up a lead. |
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| streakysox - 2016-10-04 11:10 AM
This is what reiners do. Make sure the horse will move off your leg and will flex easily. Tip the horse's nose to the left and kick with the left foot. This should make the horse move to the right, forcicng the right front foot forward. If you do this at a trot the horse should pick up the lead. Wrong lead stop and try again. Correct lead keep going in circles and straight lines. I think this horse has never been taught ques for picking up leads.
I will add that this is not the best way to que a horse for leads for barrel racing but it is effective in teaching a horse to just pick up a lead.
Yes. She is still learning. She didn't have a whole lot of training on the track. Just stop and go. I've had her since and just now starting to really work with her. My mom helps me ride our horses and she doesn't think she's sore, just doesn't know what I'm asking. That doesn't mean I won't have her checked for soreness, I just personally think she's having a hard time understanding what I'm asking. |
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Location: Phoenix | Vmtaylor - 2016-10-04 3:08 AM I was the OP on the lead post a few weeks back and I am FINALLY having some consistent success. What I think really helped was going back to the basics. I had been so focused on a while on moving her shoulders that her hind end got stiff. I went back to moving her hind quarters and then really really really really overemphasizing moving her hip out prior to getting her in a lope. I literally had my right foot (I was picking up the left lead ) on her flank pushing her hind end to the left, had her nose a little with my left hand, and then queued her to move forward by kissing/clucking and slightly tapping with me left foot if needed. This video helped a lot on how to overemphasize body position because we were struggling with this so much. http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=clinton+anderson+lead+changes&a... Goodluck and stay patient!!! They will come around!! :- )
Thanks for sharing. Love me some Clinton Anderson. That's a great video too.
I agree with Cheryl's method to start out. It's very rudimentary but forces that lead. Although I've also found that starting out trotting and just easily letting the horse pick the cadence and the lope is also effective. They have to settle into a rhythm trotting before they can lope. On my broke horse when he's being lazy and not picking up his leads QUICKLY, it always helps to get his shoulders elevated and get him collected.
If if it were me, I'd get her chiropracticed and see how you do after that. |
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| I would take her to a good lameness get if it were my horse , check saddle fit, her feet, to me she is telling you something is wrong look at her shoulders are they symmetrical when standing square? |
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| I would take her to a good lameness get if it were my horse , check saddle fit, her feet, to me she is telling you something is wrong look at her shoulders are they symmetrical when standing square? Also teach that horse to move her hip and shoulders sometimes if you move the hip then the shoulders that will really help them before asking for the lead or I'll countercircle at a trot then ask and that gets there body set up good for that lead if you can picture what i mean. |
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Location: LaBelle, Florida | Barring injury/soreness...for a horse to pick up a lead she needs a reason to do so. I learned this from Patrick Wyse. When starting young ones to use an aproaching turn and to get out of their way (step up and to the outside of the lead to get off their back).
If you have a pen to work in, trot across in a 45 degree line to the right. Once you get within 10 feet or so of the fence, drive her up into the lope to the right.
You can also do drop to trot transitions. Loping a left cycle, bring her down to a trot until calm, then drive her out with your leg to the right.
I really like using a fence to get the correct leads. This way you don't have to worry so much about correct ques...just line her up and get out of her way until she understands the process and has the muscle strength to do it. Then start adding the ques. |
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that darn right lead