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Location: North Dakota | I need some recommendations for wide horses with substantial withers, big shoulders, and flat backs. My horse has developed a TON of topline muscle and now his back is quite flat. He still has substantial withers and big wide shoulders. Most saddles are way too curved for him now. I had meleta's #2 tree, which was flat enough but not quite wide enough. I had an 8" gullet crown c that he has outgrown width wise and also is just a little too curved. I also tried a dressage saddle and an older Tex Tan, both of which were too curved.Any suggestions? |
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The Advice Guru
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| Crown c will custom make flat trees, I have 2 flat I love
Tod Sloan b3
Charmayne james made by cactus
Psc makes a flat tree
Caldwell makes a flat tree
Sadly most companies it is hard to find a used, and you have to order |
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Location: USA | Caldwell xl maxxed out is 8.5" Gullet, xxl maxxed out is 9" gullet. Those trees have flat bars |
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | cheryl makofka - 2016-10-05 8:41 PM
Crown c will custom make flat trees, I have 2 flat I love
Tod Sloan b3
Charmayne james made by cactus
Psc makes a flat tree
Caldwell makes a flat tree
Sadly most companies it is hard to find a used, and you have to order
Yeah unfortunately as I need a new saddle I also have my wedding to pay for, so I was hoping to find something used. |
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 It's not my fault I'm perfect
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Try a CJ by Cactus. It fit my tank of a mare like a glove but I couldn't ride in it to save my life. So I now have an older Coats and it is fantastic. |
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Location: Running my kids somewhere. | Bumping for you....I am taking notes. I have one like this and another that is not far behind.
I never thought finding a saddle would be this hard! |
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It's not my fault I'm perfect
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | This is my tank
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Location: SW MO | SmokinGirlie - 2016-10-06 3:41 PM
This is my tank
older coats and lazy l saddles hands down |
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It's not my fault I'm perfect
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | Mzbradford - 2016-10-06 3:48 PM SmokinGirlie - 2016-10-06 3:41 PM This is my tank older coats and lazy l saddles hands down
Yep that is what she is wearing, an older Coats ! |
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Location: SW MO | I will say I did not have the same experience with new coats saddles. Oldies are goodies |
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  Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | Mzbradford - 2016-10-06 4:01 PM I will say I did not have the same experience with new coats saddles. Oldies are goodies
Truth! Nothing made after roughly 2004. Those old Coats saddles are amazing! |
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 More bootie than waist!
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | My mare has a wide flat back and the Cactus CJ didn't work. It fit her at the withers but the back didn't open up enough. I'm using a Lisa right now and she likes it better.
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | SmokinGirlie - 2016-10-06 3:41 PM This is my tank 1. *She's gorgeous.
2. If I'm looking at used coats, are there different trees to look for? Like wide vs standard or whatever?
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | flyingcolors - 2016-10-06 3:39 PM Bumping for you....I am taking notes. I have one like this and another that is not far behind.
I never thought finding a saddle would be this hard!
Right? Like my Crown C was perfect...for a little while. Then he got wider and flatter which is great, because his back feels better than ever, but now EVERY FREAKING SADDLE just pops right up in the back like a rocking chair. |
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I'm having a similar issue. Flat backed but mutton withered narrow shoulders. My Cactus Marlene McRae flex tree is making her back sore and rolling bad. (Using a mutton withered pad from 5 star....it helps a little) Going to look into Coats or Slone B3! |
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | GrahamKayleigh - 2016-10-07 2:16 PM Following!
I'm having a similar issue. Flat backed but mutton withered narrow shoulders. My Cactus Marlene McRae flex tree is making her back sore and rolling bad. (Using a mutton withered pad from 5 star....it helps a little) Going to look into Coats or Slone B3!
Huh yeah that's kinda the opposite of my guy (except the flat back part). And yet my Mcrae didn't fit mine either! |
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Whack and Roll
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Location: NE Texas | I'll post pictures of my Coats on my mutton withered horse tonight. Mine is a ranch cutter, not a barrel saddle, and has a 6 1/4" gullet, per Coats themselves when I bought it, but then it spreads quickly down through the bars and sits nice and flat even on a horse that is made like a 55 gallon drum. Don't always buy into the wide gullet phenomenon....there is alot more that goes into proper fit than the width of the gullet. |
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It's not my fault I'm perfect
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-10-07 12:56 PM SmokinGirlie - 2016-10-06 3:41 PM This is my tank 1. He's gorgeous
2. If I'm looking at used coats, are there different trees to look for? Like wide vs standard or whatever?
Thank you- she's the Queen B lol
I would get the serial number and call on them to get the specs. I can't remember what my is exactly but I can get the serial tonight and you can sure give them a call! It's flared more than a normal saddle but the specs are pretty 'standard' I believe?
My mare was fit into a 8 1/2 Crown C until she grew bigger, I went that route and she stopped dead in her tracks between 1 and 2, ripped my saddle off and it burned her hair! I even sent it off to get re-treed because it scared me. I sold it and ran in the 1D the next weekend with my old saddle. |
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | So I read the description on Tamy Semas' website and it says " Our Saddle is built on low bar angles to sit down on the horses back and make contact from the front of the bar to the back. There’s flare in the bar but no rock to the bar. It’s design will help open up the horses shoulder and allow the muscle to roll up underneath the bar. In addition, this bar pattern allows the horses back and loin to move freely. It’s designed to make contact without causing pressure points. We have two fits regular and wide. The regular tree fits most horses, our wide tree fits horses that are broader throughout their shoulders and backs."
Their wide is only a 6.75" gullet but I tried an older hereford on my guy the other day that had a 6.5" gullet and was wide enough. Any input on her saddles?
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Location: SW North Dakota | cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-10-10 1:05 PM
So I read the description on Tamy Semas' website and it says " Our Saddle is built on low bar angles to sit down on the horses back and make contact from the front of the bar to the back. There’s flare in the bar but no rock to the bar. It’s design will help open up the horses shoulder and allow the muscle to roll up underneath the bar. In addition, this bar pattern allows the horses back and loin to move freely. It’s designed to make contact without causing pressure points. We have two fits regular and wide. The regular tree fits most horses, our wide tree fits horses that are broader throughout their shoulders and backs."
Their wide is only a 6.75" gullet but I tried an older hereford on my guy the other day that had a 6.5" gullet and was wide enough. Any input on her saddles?
I have a wide treed Tami and it's too wide for my 16h, 1250# gelding (good back, but long shoulders). It fits my ultra-wide 17h, 1500# gelding like a glove. I wish I would have ordered a regular tree, rather than the wide. It's now for sale, so I can order the one I should have. I will say that the TS saddles fit nice on a horse's back- seem to have very even contact all the way along the bars. |
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It's not my fault I'm perfect
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-10-10 2:05 PM So I read the description on Tamy Semas' website and it says " Our Saddle is built on low bar angles to sit down on the horses back and make contact from the front of the bar to the back. There’s flare in the bar but no rock to the bar. It’s design will help open up the horses shoulder and allow the muscle to roll up underneath the bar. In addition, this bar pattern allows the horses back and loin to move freely. It’s designed to make contact without causing pressure points. We have two fits regular and wide. The regular tree fits most horses, our wide tree fits horses that are broader throughout their shoulders and backs."
Their wide is only a 6.75" gullet but I tried an older hereford on my guy the other day that had a 6.5" gullet and was wide enough. Any input on her saddles?
Hmm, I had both a regular and wide Tami. Neither worked for my palomino I shared a picture of. The wide did temporarily until she filled out again (that's another story) . I kept my Wide for my colt, but sold my regular.
ETA- Neither worked on my petite mare, she has a racier type back. I wanted them to work so badly because I love the ride! I have two extremes and it sucks LOL
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | SmokinGirlie - 2016-10-10 2:14 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-10-10 2:05 PM So I read the description on Tamy Semas' website and it says " Our Saddle is built on low bar angles to sit down on the horses back and make contact from the front of the bar to the back. There’s flare in the bar but no rock to the bar. It’s design will help open up the horses shoulder and allow the muscle to roll up underneath the bar. In addition, this bar pattern allows the horses back and loin to move freely. It’s designed to make contact without causing pressure points. We have two fits regular and wide. The regular tree fits most horses, our wide tree fits horses that are broader throughout their shoulders and backs."
Their wide is only a 6.75" gullet but I tried an older hereford on my guy the other day that had a 6.5" gullet and was wide enough. Any input on her saddles?
Hmm, I had both a regular and wide Tami. Neither worked for my palomino I shared a picture of. The wide did temporarily until she filled out again (that's another story) . I kept my Wide for my colt, but sold my regular.
ETA- Neither worked on my petite mare, she has a racier type back. I wanted them to work so badly because I love the ride! I have two extremes and it sucks LOL
Lol I hear ya. I had 3 VERY different backs for a while. Now I'm down to one but he's the most difficult *sigh*. I still think I'll stalk any remaining barrel races this season to see if anyone has a TS wide I can set on him. Just in case. |
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It's not my fault I'm perfect
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Location: Where the long tails flow, ND | cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-10-10 3:14 PM SmokinGirlie - 2016-10-10 2:14 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-10-10 2:05 PM So I read the description on Tamy Semas' website and it says " Our Saddle is built on low bar angles to sit down on the horses back and make contact from the front of the bar to the back. There’s flare in the bar but no rock to the bar. It’s design will help open up the horses shoulder and allow the muscle to roll up underneath the bar. In addition, this bar pattern allows the horses back and loin to move freely. It’s designed to make contact without causing pressure points. We have two fits regular and wide. The regular tree fits most horses, our wide tree fits horses that are broader throughout their shoulders and backs."
Their wide is only a 6.75" gullet but I tried an older hereford on my guy the other day that had a 6.5" gullet and was wide enough. Any input on her saddles?
Hmm, I had both a regular and wide Tami. Neither worked for my palomino I shared a picture of. The wide did temporarily until she filled out again (that's another story) . I kept my Wide for my colt, but sold my regular.
ETA- Neither worked on my petite mare, she has a racier type back. I wanted them to work so badly because I love the ride! I have two extremes and it sucks LOL
If you ever venture East, I'm right on the ND/MN border and still have my wide Tami! |
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Red Bull Agressive
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Location: North Dakota | SmokinGirlie - 2016-10-10 3:51 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-10-10 3:14 PM SmokinGirlie - 2016-10-10 2:14 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-10-10 2:05 PM So I read the description on Tamy Semas' website and it says " Our Saddle is built on low bar angles to sit down on the horses back and make contact from the front of the bar to the back. There’s flare in the bar but no rock to the bar. It’s design will help open up the horses shoulder and allow the muscle to roll up underneath the bar. In addition, this bar pattern allows the horses back and loin to move freely. It’s designed to make contact without causing pressure points. We have two fits regular and wide. The regular tree fits most horses, our wide tree fits horses that are broader throughout their shoulders and backs."
Their wide is only a 6.75" gullet but I tried an older hereford on my guy the other day that had a 6.5" gullet and was wide enough. Any input on her saddles?
Hmm, I had both a regular and wide Tami. Neither worked for my palomino I shared a picture of. The wide did temporarily until she filled out again (that's another story) . I kept my Wide for my colt, but sold my regular.
ETA- Neither worked on my petite mare, she has a racier type back. I wanted them to work so badly because I love the ride! I have two extremes and it sucks LOL
Ooh I didn't have any plans but if I do get over there with him that would be AWESOME! |
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Straight Shooter
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Location: SW North Dakota | cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-10-10 3:15 PM SmokinGirlie - 2016-10-10 3:51 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-10-10 3:14 PM SmokinGirlie - 2016-10-10 2:14 PM cavyrunsbarrels - 2016-10-10 2:05 PM So I read the description on Tamy Semas' website and it says " Our Saddle is built on low bar angles to sit down on the horses back and make contact from the front of the bar to the back. There’s flare in the bar but no rock to the bar. It’s design will help open up the horses shoulder and allow the muscle to roll up underneath the bar. In addition, this bar pattern allows the horses back and loin to move freely. It’s designed to make contact without causing pressure points. We have two fits regular and wide. The regular tree fits most horses, our wide tree fits horses that are broader throughout their shoulders and backs."
Their wide is only a 6.75" gullet but I tried an older hereford on my guy the other day that had a 6.5" gullet and was wide enough. Any input on her saddles?
Hmm, I had both a regular and wide Tami. Neither worked for my palomino I shared a picture of. The wide did temporarily until she filled out again (that's another story) . I kept my Wide for my colt, but sold my regular.
ETA- Neither worked on my petite mare, she has a racier type back. I wanted them to work so badly because I love the ride! I have two extremes and it sucks LOL
I also have a wide tami in SW ND if you want to try it. |
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