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Location: TEXAS | My husband is looking at rope/barrel horse. He's super nice but he has more upright pasterns? Anyone have one like that? Is it a problem for them?
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| My experience with upright pasterns is they tend to show more navicular type symptoms than correct pasterns. They also require more maintenance and corrective shoeing as they age. Honestly, they are a deal breaker for me.
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"Heck's Coming With Me"
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Location: Kansas | Riding a horse with upright pasterns is like driving a car without shock absorbers. Very rough and hard to sit. I would pass.
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Location: College Station, TX | I have one, and while I don't have issues with her being rough or hard to sit, the navicular statement holds true for her. It takes a careful farrier to keep her right, and one bad job is not easy to correct.
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| It depends on what level of roper he is and how the horse will be used. High level and used frequently I'd pass. Lower level and used infrequently you will probably never have a problem. |
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Zeal Queen
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Location: TEXAS | The seller also told him that he pulls shoes when she is roping on him....how does that happen? |
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Location: TEXAS | Whiteboy - 2016-10-06 3:15 PM It depends on what level of roper he is and how the horse will be used. High level and used frequently I'd pass. Lower level and used infrequently you will probably never have a problem.
That's what I was afraid....he would rope on him and I would run barrels on him  I was so excited about him too! |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | slacy09 - 2016-10-06 3:27 PM Whiteboy - 2016-10-06 3:15 PM It depends on what level of roper he is and how the horse will be used. High level and used frequently I'd pass. Lower level and used infrequently you will probably never have a problem. That's what I was afraid....he would rope on him and I would run barrels on him I was so excited about him too!
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| slacy09 - 2016-10-06 2:25 PM
The seller also told him that he pulls shoes when she is roping on him....how does that happen?
That tells me he doesn't have a balanced shoe job so you are already going to have issues to fix and/or get on top of. |
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| slacy09 - 2016-10-06 2:11 PM
My husband is looking at rope/barrel horse. He's super nice but he has more upright pasterns? Anyone have one like that? Is it a problem for them?
I guess I have had the opposite experience of most. I have horse with upright pasterns, riding them is like floating, graceful, smooth.
My two horses with longer pasterns both get underslung heels if they don't get trimmed regularly, and one developed arthritis because of his pasterns.
My horses with short upright pasterns no windpuffs, no arthritis, no signs of navicular and one is 14 this year |
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| Short pasterns is a conformation fault which also points out other problems
like straight shoulders, mutton withers, overreaching with the rear feet and a
rough ride with limited speed.
The good side is ... most can't run fast enough to hurt themselves and they
come from what we call cold blooded bloodlines that will put up with a
lot of non-sense ... lol
To both husband and wife ... never share a horse together unless you
are looking for a reason to get divorced ...
same with sorting or head catching cattle in a chute .... lol
Good Luck!!
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Location: Northwest | Talkeetnababe - 2016-10-06 1:00 PM
I have one, and while I don't have issues with her being rough or hard to sit, the navicular statement holds true for her. It takes a careful farrier to keep her right, and one bad job is not easy to correct.
I had the same experience. Nice horse, but she was navicular from a fairly young age. I avoid straight pasterns now. |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | Do you have any pics? Conformation pics and pictures where you can see the pasterns would be helpful. |
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| Nita - 2016-10-07 12:17 AM
Do you have any pics? Conformation pics and pictures where you can see the pasterns would be helpful.
Windows 10 is crap .. turned most of my photos into bmp and reduced their size .. grrrrrrrrrrrr
Here is something everyone should study and be able to recognize in one
quick looksee ...
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Location: Where I am happiest | Personally I dont see upright pasterns. I see good slope and length. Nice horse. |
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| ThreeCorners - 2016-10-07 8:32 AM
Personally I dont see upright pasterns. I see good slope and length. Nice horse.
I DON'T EITHER ..... I GOT SUCKERED INTO THIS THINKING THE POSTER KNEW WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT ....
ALWAYS ASK FOR PICTURES .......
What crosses my mind is what is wrong with this horse that he could not stand
up to the rigors of being someone's fantastic barrel horse instead of having
some fat guy sitting on him with a rope ?? ...
He was turned into a roper for some reason ... most ropers would not
even look at a horse with these bloodlines!!
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Location: TEXAS | BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-07 8:49 AM ThreeCorners - 2016-10-07 8:32 AM Personally I dont see upright pasterns. I see good slope and length. Nice horse. I DON'T EITHER ..... I GOT SUCKERED INTO THIS THINKING THE POSTER KNEW WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT .... ALWAYS ASK FOR PICTURES ....... What crosses my mind is what is wrong with this horse that he could not stand up to the rigors of being someone's fantastic barrel horse instead of having some fat guy sitting on him with a rope ?? ... He was turned into a roper for some reason ... most ropers would not even look at a horse with these bloodlines!!
Kinda rude....just to clarify I didn't see the horse in person. I asked the seller for these pictures last night, after I started the thread. I was only going off what my husband said. The seller agreed that they are straighter as well. Personally, I told him that the angles were fine. |
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Zeal Queen
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Location: TEXAS | She said the shoer has to put on smaller size shoes because he pulls them when she is roping....I still can't undertand why he does this? |
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Location: TEXAS | Also he's only 7. She is the roper and barrel racer so all her horses I have seen for sale do both. It makes them more marketable in my opinion. |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-07 8:49 AM
ThreeCorners - 2016-10-07 8:32 AM
Personally I dont see upright pasterns. I see good slope and length. Nice horse.
I DON'T EITHER ..... I GOT SUCKERED INTO THIS THINKING THE POSTER KNEW WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT ....
ALWAYS ASK FOR PICTURES .......
What crosses my mind is what is wrong with this horse that he could not stand
up to the rigors of being someone's fantastic barrel horse instead of having
some fat guy sitting on him with a rope ?? ...
He was turned into a roper for some reason ... most ropers would not
even look at a horse with these bloodlines!!
Really? I don't like that horses front end! The pasterns are upright and a line from the point on the shoulder down the leg will show you how unaligned the leg is. His shoulder is steep and is going to give a rough ride. Based on this I see knee and navicular problems in the future. I'd pass on the horse, but this is only my opinion and take it for that :) |
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| slacy09 - 2016-10-07 9:08 AM
Also he's only 7. She is the roper and barrel racer so all her horses I have seen for sale do both. It makes them more marketable in my opinion.
I rope off all my barrel horses and all my husbands rope horses get worked on the barrels. And not for reasons like BHUSA assumes..rolling eyes.. |
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| I don't think the pictures are good enough to give a solid opinion on. They are at odd angles. One view he looks straight, another, he looks ok. |
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| ThreeCorners - 2016-10-07 8:32 AM Personally I dont see upright pasterns. I see good slope and length. Nice horse.
I agree. Looks good to me. |
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Location: Texas | Looks like a very nice horse to me. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | The only thing I see is the shoulders look a tad steep, I like a shoulder thats a little more sloped. I like the horse, would not scare me off at all from buying.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | And another thing I think its againt the rules to post pictures of someone elses horse that you are thinking of buying. You have to own the horse to beable to post pictures of. 
The rule is; You may only ask for a critique of a horse you own, not a horse you are considering buying..
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Location: Kansas | veintiocho - 2016-10-07 9:23 AM BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-07 8:49 AM ThreeCorners - 2016-10-07 8:32 AM Personally I dont see upright pasterns. I see good slope and length. Nice horse. I DON'T EITHER ..... I GOT SUCKERED INTO THIS THINKING THE POSTER KNEW WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT .... ALWAYS ASK FOR PICTURES ....... What crosses my mind is what is wrong with this horse that he could not stand up to the rigors of being someone's fantastic barrel horse instead of having some fat guy sitting on him with a rope ?? ... He was turned into a roper for some reason ... most ropers would not even look at a horse with these bloodlines!! Really? I don't like that horses front end! The pasterns are upright and a line from the point on the shoulder down the leg will show you how unaligned the leg is. His shoulder is steep and is going to give a rough ride. Based on this I see knee and navicular problems in the future. I'd pass on the horse, but this is only my opinion and take it for that : )
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Location: North Dakota | I may be the oddball out, but I don't like how he's trimmed. It makes him look more upright than I think he should be. I don't know, I'm not a farrier, but it doesn't look like his boney columns align. Look at his back feet...why is the toe so squared off? It doesn't look like it matches the angle of his bone structure. I'm not saying to leave "skis" out there, but something doesn't look quite right. If you really liked him I would have xrays done and make sure you don't have something going on in there. |
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| slacy09 - 2016-10-07 9:06 AM
She said the shoer has to put on smaller size shoes because he pulls them when she is roping....I still can't undertand why he does this?
The smaller shoe is a big red flag for me. I would check for contracted heels, if the horse has contracted heels, I would suggest getting X-rays and a lameness exam as contracted heels can cause navicular.
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| I agree that the pictures are hard to judge. My gelding has very upright pasterns and although I wouldn't trade him for the world, I have a phobia about it. Based on these pictures, I would be scared away which says a lot BUT I think you need more pictures before you decide. My gelding does wear corrective shoes and although no bony changes in his feet, he does jar his joints if not kept up with. He gets reset every 4-5 weeks, no longer. I wouldn't say he is bumpy, he is bred for hunt seat so he has a lot of lift in his strides but he isn't bumpy. I will see if I have a picture so you can compare. |
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Location: TEXAS | WYOTurn-n-Burn - 2016-10-07 11:08 AM I may be the oddball out, but I don't like how he's trimmed. It makes him look more upright than I think he should be. I don't know, I'm not a farrier, but it doesn't look like his boney columns align. Look at his back feet...why is the toe so squared off? It doesn't look like it matches the angle of his bone structure. I'm not saying to leave "skis" out there, but something doesn't look quite right. If you really liked him I would have xrays done and make sure you don't have something going on in there.
The back feet are squared off because of him pulling the shoes on the front when he runs |
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Location: TEXAS | We would for sure get xrays and vet check...just wanted to see if it's even worth it to go that far. |
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| slacy09 - 2016-10-07 9:06 AM
She said the shoer has to put on smaller size shoes because he pulls them when she is roping....I still can't undertand why he does this?
the worst thing you can do is put a shoe on that is too small. This guarantees foot and leg issues. If he pulls the shoes off at all there is a shoeing problem. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | streakysox - 2016-10-07 11:39 AM slacy09 - 2016-10-07 9:06 AM She said the shoer has to put on smaller size shoes because he pulls them when she is roping....I still can't undertand why he does this? the worst thing you can do is put a shoe on that is too small. This guarantees foot and leg issues. If he pulls the shoes off at all there is a shoeing problem.
This ^^^^ if my farrier were putting smaller shoes on my horse to keep from pulling shoes off then this lady needs to find a better farrier. There should be no reason to be putting a smaller shoe on a horse.. |
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Location: Idaho | I am riding a couple client horses who are built straight up in their pasterns... and while I don't find them really rough to ride... they have small feet, lots of heel and will have problems with their coffin bones later in life. They don't reach well and will not hold up. I would completely pass on a horse built this way! |
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Location: Fort Worth / Springtown | Southtxponygirl - 2016-10-07 11:43 AM streakysox - 2016-10-07 11:39 AM slacy09 - 2016-10-07 9:06 AM She said the shoer has to put on smaller size shoes because he pulls them when she is roping....I still can't undertand why he does this? the worst thing you can do is put a shoe on that is too small. This guarantees foot and leg issues. If he pulls the shoes off at all there is a shoeing problem.
Yes, and also, squaring off the toe of the hind end speeds it up, from what I've been told through the years for my long-legged, short-backed horse.
You want to speed up the breakover in the front, to help with over-reaching.
Back to the upright pasterns, my same horse has those too, although, I didn't see your pics to compare. Yes he is rougher than others, but still sound and running great - he'll be 21 in January.
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Location: Arkansas | barrelracinbroke - 2016-10-07 5:26 PM
I don't even see pics of a horse.....
Thank goodness I'm not the only one!!! I've looked twice and still can't see them |
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