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Location: Northwest | What are everyone's thoughts on thoroughbred and cow crosses? I have the opportunity to buy a two year old and a yearling who are full siblings. I love the sire; he is a 1D son of Captain Biankus, BUT the dam is a Best Turn bred thoroughbred. She is built like a QH and is a multiple stakes winner on the track, so she has that going for her.
How is the re-sale on an appendix horse? Has anyone had success on similarly bred horses in the barrel pen? |
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Location: Stephenville, TX | I would say buy them but I am a little partial to that breeding. We had a Captain Biankus son until just a few years ago. My daughter grew up with him and I hauled the pair many miles. He earned her a scholarship to college. At 21 he has a new Jr. rider to take to the next level. While not TB ours was out of an Easy Jet grandaughter, and was the most trusting horse a parent could want for their kid.
Resale should be good especially in the NW where they are well known. Get them started right and hunting barrels and you may want to keep one.
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Location: Texas | I don't have any experience with them myself but everyone I've talked to that has them absolutely loves them. |
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| BroncoBetty - 2016-10-09 9:37 PM
I would say buy them but I am a little partial to that breeding. We had a Captain Biankus son until just a few years ago. My daughter grew up with him and I hauled the pair many miles. He earned her a scholarship to college. At 21 he has a new Jr. rider to take to the next level. While not TB ours was out of an Easy Jet grandaughter, and was the most trusting horse a parent could want for their kid.
Resale should be good especially in the NW where they are well known. Get them started right and hunting barrels and you may want to keep one.
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Biankus bred horses are fast, hard turners, natural flying lead
changers NFR producers and stay sound forever!!
My favorite broodmare has 5 generations thru the Biankus
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and a lot of speed. She had her first baby this year and
she is pure eye candy!!
My mare's pedigree ..
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/cougars+barbie+doll
and photo of her and 2016 filly .. 4 1/2 months old
her dam is 15.3 HH ....
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Location: Northwest | Thanks everyone for your thoughts. I love the Biankus', I have a three year old granddaughter of Captain and I ride a full brother to these fillies' sire. I have never had an appendix so I was hoping the re-sale on them was good and not detrimental. Sounds like I should definitely consider buying them. Thanks!
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Location: Stephenville, TX | We bred my daughters college rodeo mare to Bogie Biankus and now have a nice 3 year old prospect coming along easily. Bogie is getting up there in age and Captain unfortunately is deceased. The demand for them is going to increase because of this.
I appreciate the good minds on these horses and the fact they do have more bone and good feet which is important to me. Yes, BarrelHorseUSA they are lookers. Not super fancy but put together right and very balanced. They have won at all levels and can go from a futurity horse to an open rodeo horse while staying sane and sound. I have been beaten by several of them while living in the NW and I tip my hat to them.
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| I have a 4-year old that is out of a thoroughbred stud and a cow bred mare. She's doing great on the pattern, is good looking, and has a lot of speed and turn. I'm not trying to sell her, so I can't testify as to what effect the appendix papers will have on marketability. However, I get approached a lot about her, I so I don't think it's going to make a huge difference. |
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Location: OH | One of our favorite crosses that we do is our Sun Frost son on a TB daughter of Clever Trick. |
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Location: NE Texas | Mighty Broke - 2016-10-11 12:27 PM One of our favorite crosses that we do is our Sun Frost son on a TB daughter of Clever Trick.
Gosh I love those Clever Trick/Phone Trick mares!!!!!  |
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| IdahoBarrelRacer756 - 2016-10-10 9:26 AM
I have a 4-year old that is out of a thoroughbred stud and a cow bred mare. She's doing great on the pattern, is good looking, and has a lot of speed and turn. I'm not trying to sell her, so I can't testify as to what effect the appendix papers will have on marketability. However, I get approached a lot about her, I so I don't think it's going to make a huge difference.
Edited to add: My mare goes back to Storm Cat pretty closely, and they are notoriously fractious and hot-headed. She has a quite a bit of that, but is also one of the smartest horses I've ever worked with. |
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Location: OH |
This is a daughter of Clever Trick and out of a daughter of Rahy----we have had her forever. She is 19 now and been one heck of a producer. |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | Meet them and make up your mind. IMO Captain Biankus crossed on anything is really nice. I have been a skeptic when it comes to Beduino. But when they are crossed on the right stallion line, they too can be really good barrel horses. One of those is by Captain o/o a Beduino bred mare. I have a daughter of CB and one by Oregon Barry Biankus in my herd. Both are very nice mares.
May I ask which son of CB those babies are by? |
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Location: sunny california | Honestly I think the TB breeding only hurts the price before they are riding. once they get broke they will get judged on so many other things and if they fit the bill someone will buy them. I would not let it bother you if they are nice and you like the way mama is put together and her mind |
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Location: Northwest | OregonBR - 2016-10-11 12:46 PM
Meet them and make up your mind. IMO Captain Biankus crossed on anything is really nice. I have been a skeptic when it comes to Beduino. But when they are crossed on the right stallion line, they too can be really good barrel horses. One of those is by Captain o/o a Beduino bred mare. I have a daughter of CB and one by Oregon Barry Biankus in my herd. Both are very nice mares.
May I ask which son of CB those babies are by?
Sniper! Full brother to Snip, Stretch, etc etc All super 1D/rodeo horses. |
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Location: Northwest | kwanatha - 2016-10-11 2:20 PM
Honestly I think the TB breeding only hurts the price before they are riding. once they get broke they will get judged on so many other things and if they fit the bill someone will buy them. I would not let it bother you if they are nice and you like the way mama is put together and her mind
Thanks for the input! That is good to know; I thought about flipping the yearling but maybe that is not such a good idea. |
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| I had an Appendix mare who was TB race bred on her dams side and cutting horse bred on her sires side. One of my favorite horses I have ever owned and trained! She is smart, honest, extremely athletic, catty and bendy. Very quick and loved to turn. I think the cutting/cow bred in her made her hunt the barrels so she never missed a turn, which was something I was a bit worried about happening with the TB lines in her. She was actually more of a push style horse than a free runner. She could really sit on her haunches and stop and rollback like a reiner/cutter. She looks more like a TB though you can definitely see the Princequillo line shine through. The only thing that was tricky was she took a little bit to get running full out (wasn't as immediate as some of my full bred QH's) but once she was moving she would really stretch out like a race horse on a track. I felt like we made up a lot of time running home though and through her tight turns.
When I sold her I got a decent price out of her, especially since she sat around for about a year at my parents place since I moved and didn't have a place to keep her. I made a good chunk of money off her based on the price I bought her for as a yearling-so I was happy! She was dead broke and could be used for other disciplines than just barrels or poles. Based on her training and personalty, I didn't think that affected her resale value - it definitely increased it more. I was more worried about the re-sale value for breeding since she is Appendix. She has good conformation and hooves and would be a good cross on a full QH or APHA lines. I feel like if she produced good athletic offspring for the barrel or rodeo world they wouldn't be as picky about her registry compared to reiner/cutting or the WP/HUS show world. If I had kept her I would have bred her for her conformation, athleticism and her honest mind and personality, but life got in the way lol! I thought of breeding her to an APHA, especially since APHA has that barrel incentive. Her buyers were more concerned her training and how she got along with their daughter than using her for breeding so it worked out well.
Ultimately I really think it just depends on your horse and what the buyer is looking for.
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| I doubt you would have a hard time selling them in the northwest. Even out of a TB mare. |
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