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Miss Not Exciting
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Location: Ft Worth TX | What turning styles or habits that coincide with making a horse more apt to falling??? I'm not sure I am asking this right... What can a rider do wrong to make one fall? |
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 A Somebody to Everybody
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | A rider that is a unbalanced rider can make a horse fall during a turn, seen it happen many times with this one rider and finally she sold the horse and the lady that bought her did totaly awesome with this mare.
It was not the turning style that this horse had it was that she was being riden by a very unblanced rider that was throwing this mare off balanced.
Edited by Southtxponygirl 2016-10-16 10:19 PM
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This is only one of the reasons you don't want to breed cutters to race horses for barrel horses and end up or buy a horse with a low front end and then add a heavy or leaning or floppy rider ...
A horse with a great top level conformation carries 60% of its own weight on the
front end ...
Edited by BARRELHORSE USA 2016-10-16 10:57 PM
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 A Gopher's Worst Nightmare
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Location: Southern Oregon | Front end style horses tend to "scramble" coming out of their turn creating more opportunities for trips.
Teaching a horse to properly use there body in tge entire turn helps keep em up.imo |
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Extreme Veteran
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| I have a cow cross and i work on keeping him off his front end, he was started when i bought him and allowed to use himself this way the second and third are good now the first I'm still working on. Can be dangerous on slick ground, he is the smartest horse I've owned. |
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 Saint Stacey
| Whenever a horse doesn't stand upright in the turns, you will have a problem on slick ground. That's why a lot of great D and futurity horses can't transition to rodeo horses. |
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  Keeper of the King Snake
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Location: Dubach, LA | Rollback horses because for a split second they are on one leg. Dirt needs to be there to hold them. |
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I just read the headlines
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| My sister's horses were rollback horses and rarely did she have trouble with the ground. She ran WPRA in the 80's and 90's when producer's paid a lot less attention to the ground. I agree with SKM, the horses who stand up in their turns handle different ground well. |
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 Take a Picture
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| Any horse can fall given the circumstances. Years ago, my horse fell with me and when all the way down on his side. Out of the first 20 horses that ran about 8 fell. They reworkded the dirt but did not give us the opportunity to run again. After that everyone seemed to stand up pretty well. |
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Location: Cocoa, Florida | I like a horse that runs on the top of the ground, driving with the back end but equally using those front feet as well. I try to teach mine to stand up in their turns, I know many simple drills that will help, whether they're naturally front endy or dig with the hind. I don't like to alter a horses natural turning style but you can help them keep that shoulder up in the turn better.
Also like everyone else said, especially heavier riders, staying balanced will help prohibit your horse from falling. |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-10-16 9:18 PM This is only one of the reasons you don't want to breed cutters to race horses for barrel horses and end up or buy a horse with a low front end and then add a heavy or leaning or floppy rider ... A horse with a great top level conformation carries 60% of its own weight on the front end ...
This is silly. I'm sure we've all seen cowhorses stand up just fine and make solid runs, and race bred horses slip and fall all the way down at any given race. Anyone who watched the live feed at Cow Palace this last weekend would have seen just that  |
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Location: Windoming | streakysox - 2016-10-17 6:33 AM Any horse can fall given the circumstances. Years ago, my horse fell with me and when all the way down on his side. Out of the first 20 horses that ran about 8 fell. They reworkded the dirt but did not give us the opportunity to run again. After that everyone seemed to stand up pretty well.
Curious, that wouldn't have been at Tulsa at a futurity? Same thing happened to me there. |
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 Unknown Drip
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Location: Back in MT BABY!!! | Here are my 2 cents....
The horse needs to be able to turn however is most comfortable for his build/natural ability. That being said I believe they all need to be collected/gathered in their turns. I always want that inside hind leg up underneath them in a turn. A scatterd horse will have trouble with good ground....put them on slick ground? It's a nightmare |
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Nut Case Expert
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | The horses I see having the most ground trouble are those that lean in the turn. Horses that stand up-right and bend thru the body seem to keep all fours under them and handle ground much better. |
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Extreme Veteran
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| Please share some of your drills. |
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Take a Picture
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| Silly Filly - 2016-10-17 10:21 AM
streakysox - 2016-10-17 6:33 AM Any horse can fall given the circumstances. Years ago, my horse fell with me and when all the way down on his side. Out of the first 20 horses that ran about 8 fell. They reworkded the dirt but did not give us the opportunity to run again. After that everyone seemed to stand up pretty well.
Curious, that wouldn't have been at Tulsa at a futurity? Same thing happened to me there.
No, Marshall, TX it was cold but don't remember which barrel race. |
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Location: PA | I have seen horses go down when the rider pulls their heads away from the barrel and they are running at the is angle and then rip their heads the correct way..............they get at such a slant the wrong way (with head going the wrong way) into the barrel they wipe out.............I hate watching this!!!!!! |
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I just read the headlines
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| Also when they rate them hard and then throw the reins away. |
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BHW's Simon Cowell
Location: The Saudia Arabia of Wind Energy, Western Oklahoma | I think the size of the horse has something to do with it also. A bigger horse needs better ground in my opinion. |
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Extreme Veteran
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| Horses that run more straight up and down tend to stand up better, especially on bad ground. The balance of the horse and rider is the main factor. These days it frustrates me to no end to hear people complain about the "bad ground" when it was mainly their "bad riding" that caused the slip or fall. If your horse is running full out sometimes they need a little help with collection and getting back underneath themselves before turning and I see so many people just throw their horse away and ask for the turn. They are off balance, horse is off balance and it's a wreck waiting to happen. In really good ground they can get away with it because it will hold them anyway (most of the time). But if the ground is a little wet or shifty, down they go. A lot of falls I see these days would be preventable with a little horsemanship skills. |
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Saint Stacey
| 3 To Go - 2016-10-19 12:15 PM
Horses that run more straight up and down tend to stand up better, especially on bad ground. The balance of the horse and rider is the main factor. These days it frustrates me to no end to hear people complain about the "bad ground" when it was mainly their "bad riding" that caused the slip or fall. If your horse is running full out sometimes they need a little help with collection and getting back underneath themselves before turning and I see so many people just throw their horse away and ask for the turn. They are off balance, horse is off balance and it's a wreck waiting to happen. In really good ground they can get away with it because it will hold them anyway (most of the time). But if the ground is a little wet or shifty, down they go. A lot of falls I see these days would be preventable with a little horsemanship skills.
Exactly!!! This post ^^^ is spot on.  |
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Extreme Veteran
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| Sometimes people don't have the experience to figure that out. Some horses need to be worked standing up and the rider needs to stay in the middle,I'm riding a horse that must be constantly worked hip in shoulders up if i ride his shoulders he dumps on the front end |
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Turning styles that are more prone to falling...