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For you that are going to vote for crooked Hillary Unless you are extremely wealthy I hope you realize the luxury of having horses and barrel racing will not come easily. It will be a different dynamic when she takes office. Not a good one. Your freedoms and Liberty will come at a much higher price. You folks need to seriously pay attention to the monetary ramifications of your vote. In addition I would hope you are savvy to the ramifications of your children's/families future. | |
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Location: Kansas | After reading our political posts on BHW I've thought just the opposite....that the majority of people involved in ranching, farming, and the horse industry in general tend to be conservative. Same holds true for country music entertainers, with the exception of Garth Brooks. | |
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Location: TEXAS | Texas Tornado - 2016-10-16 10:56 PM
After reading many of the political posts it astounds me how many Hillary supporters there are on this website
For you that are going to vote for crooked Hillary Unless you are extremely wealthy I hope you realize the luxury of having horses and barrel racing will not come easily. It will be a different dynamic when she takes office. Not a good one. Your freedoms and Liberty will come at a much higher price. You folks need to seriously pay attention to the monetary ramifications of your vote. In addition I would hope you are savvy to the ramifications of your children's/families future.
    Trump has MY VOTE
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | No doubt a Hillary presidency will be profoundly impactful on all aspects of our lives....not just our hobbies. That's the least of our concerns, as I see it.
First and foremost is the makeup of the Supreme Court.
She will be the accelerant toward further propelling our country into Statism. The 65% inheritance tax looms as the most direct, grotesque threat to family farms and ranches. We all know a lot of farmers and ranchers who own land worth a lot of money, but are struggling to get by, pay the bills and operating costs, and still keep the operation alive. Few of these farmers and ranchers will be able to come up with the money to pay this inheritance tax, and many will be forced to sell it off.
Most people are witnessing the financial horrors of the grotesque escalation of premiums due to ObamaCare. It's no secret how Hillary plans to remedy this........single payer.
The list goes on.....open borders, a "New World Order", and so forth.
But let's stick to the most critical issue, as dictated to us by the establishment and liberal MSM......35 years ago he was too horny in an airplane. We mustn't allow him to be president! | |
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| Frodo - 2016-10-17 8:01 AM
After reading our political posts on BHW I've thought just the opposite....that the majority of people involved in ranching, farming, and the horse industry in general tend to be conservative. Same holds true for country music entertainers, with the exception of Garth Brooks.
You are right. The majority of BHW folks are conservative. I did read some posts that went the other way and that's what prompted me to initially do the post. One Hillary supporter is one too many!
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| Frodo - 2016-10-17 8:01 AM
After reading our political posts on BHW I've thought just the opposite....that the majority of people involved in ranching, farming, and the horse industry in general tend to be conservative. Same holds true for country music entertainers, with the exception of Garth Brooks.
In my part of the world the farmers are decidedly democrats - many are still planning to vote for Hilary.
Surprisingly, the biggest, richest Mexican-American family in our area is also democrats and even though they have kids in the armed forces, they will still vote democrat, even though I pointed out Bengahzi to them.
My son's employer is an oil field company and many of the M/A were going to vote for Hilary until my son and his boss pointed out that under Hilary, they probably would lose their jobs. Now they say they are going to vote for Trump. | |
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Location: Kansas | Never ceases to amaze me how many people fail to vote, then gritch and moan about the administration. Evidently Hispanic "stars" staged a show yesterday on the border urging their countrymen to vote for Hillary unless they want to lose the benefits they so love here in the U.S. Funny how they wave the Mexican flag here in the U.S. but don't want to go back to the country they need to build on and support. That's the way it works folks.
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Location: lone star state | I don't think barrel racing will be anymore if Hillary is elected. I'm concerned that basic life as we know it will be very different. We will become a third world country. The electoral will vote for Hillary because they are worried about their own interests and are being paid by Hillary for their votes. Popular vote really doesn't matter at this level. With that being said I do vote every single election. I think America will soon be focused on basic needs; not luxury or entertainment. Russia is ready for Hillary. I think they will make a move very soon in 2017. Of course our media isn't reporting on things going on in the world right now because they would rather ignore real life and focus on made up drama! | |
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Location: Florida | The fact that Russia is hacking emails to try to sway the election to their BFF Trump should make every American sit back and wonder why. It is not Hillary Clinton who will turn this country into a dictatorship. I do have one question: when Trump loses by a mile and his supporters call for a revolution, who exactly are you going to attack? | |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Vickie - 2016-10-17 11:41 AM The fact that Russia is hacking emails to try to sway the election to their BFF Trump should make every American sit back and wonder why. It is not Hillary Clinton who will turn this country into a dictatorship. I do have one question: when Trump loses by a mile and his supporters call for a revolution, who exactly are you going to attack?
Help me here. My brain has a hard time grasping liberal.
How do you excuse the treason of your candidate , but because she isn't Trump?
Not attacking just would like to hear an explanation | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Yep.....lots of "liberal" barrel racers here.....they love 4-5D payouts or equal pay-out races ....... LOL | |
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Location: lone star state | I'm more concerned about nuclear war than hacked emails! All we have on the hacked emails are speculation and finger pointing! | |
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Location: Florida | NJJ - 2016-10-17 12:15 PM Yep.....lots of "liberal" barrel racers here.....they love 4-5D payouts or equal pay-out races ....... LOL You wish, the D format didn't even exist when I was winning rodeos. But to answer the previous question: How can you call the actions of someone hired, by someone appointed by someone advising Clinton treason? Under your rules every president would be in jail. A reality check is in order. As far as emails, same thing. Do you think that Cheney should be guilty of treason? He did the same thing. I am voting for what is best for this country in my opinion.
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Liberalism and the notion have invaded every aspect of American life. So many on here are set to condem the government, but are all for buy backs and equal pay out. I have witnessed things on barrel racing this year that would have previously been beyond belief. The sad fact is that most cannot see the forest for the trees. Free everything sounds so good, just like people winning as much on a slow horse as one that is two seconds faster. You cannot condem one and support the other without some degree of hypocrisy. Soon we will be a nation of equals just like the libs want. Equally poor and hungry.
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| Southtxponygirl - 2016-10-17 11:48 AM
{DUH is my new word for the day}, lol... SO Duh,,,Man this sure would be a boring place if we all had the same thoughts.
Boy, you got that right! There are some on here that I really disagree with about certain things or find them morally compromised, in my opinion, but you know what, I seem to agree with them on other things and look for their posts. They make me think and move me out of my comfort zone. I learn a lot on here and I find other peoples' viewpoints educating, insightful, disturbing and/or eye opening. We are a pretty diverse group of people, and I am glad we don't agree on everything.  | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | GLP - 2016-10-17 11:54 AM Southtxponygirl - 2016-10-17 11:48 AM {DUH is my new word for the day}, lol... SO Duh,,,Man this sure would be a boring place if we all had the same thoughts. Boy, you got that right! There are some on here that I really disagree with about certain things or find them morally compromised, in my opinion, but you know what, I seem to agree with them on other things and look for their posts. They make me think and move me out of my comfort zone. I learn a lot on here and I find other peoples' viewpoints educating, insightful, disturbing and/or eye opening. We are a pretty diverse group of people, and I am glad we don't agree on everything.  .. Theres a few Dems on here that I do respect in what they have to say if its about barrels politics are whatever I still love hearing what they have to say, but sometimes I'm like wow did they really say that, lol.. 
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Location: OH | Vickie - 2016-10-17 12:43 PM NJJ - 2016-10-17 12:15 PM Yep.....lots of "liberal" barrel racers here.....they love 4-5D payouts or equal pay-out races ....... LOL You wish, the D format didn't even exist when I was winning rodeos. But to answer the previous question: How can you call the actions of someone hired, by someone appointed by someone advising Clinton treason? Under your rules every president would be in jail. A reality check is in order. As far as emails, same thing. Do you think that Cheney should be guilty of treason? He did the same thing. I am voting for what is best for this country in my opinion.
I could care less about the e-mails, it is a diversion. I do care about the fact that the Clintons have stole MILLIONS through the Clinton Foundation under the illusion of "Humanitarian Aid." Check out the Haitian President begging for an audit of the Clinton Foundation-----they never saw the millions that ON PAPER, supposedly went to them. People talk about character---granted, Trump sure has his faults, but capitolizing on anothers misery is about as low as it gets. Then you throw Uranium One into the mix and the whole Clinton Foundation is such a sham----just a way for them to filter money for political favors. | |
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Location: OH | Furthermore, it is not one person or one party, it is the whole system that needs fixed. Until we fix a sustem where public servants can write laws without feeling all the heat from the people who give them money for reelection---nothing will get solved. TERM LIMITS---that is the ONLY solution. | |
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Location: Florida | When Talmage Green first came down to Florida in the 80's with the idea of the D's format I said, this will ruin barrel racing. Why would anyone work to get better when they can make money being mediocre? Equal money in the divisions is just plain wrong. If you want to win more money get faster.
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Location: SW New Mexico | 1DSoon - 2016-10-18 9:52 AM
Vickie - 2016-10-17 11:41 AM The fact that Russia is hacking emails to try to sway the election to their BFF Trump should make every American sit back and wonder why. It is not Hillary Clinton who will turn this country into a dictatorship. I do have one question: when Trump loses by a mile and his supporters call for a revolution, who exactly are you going to attack?
Help me here. My brain has a hard time grasping liberal.
How do you excuse the treason of your candidate , but because she isn't Trump?
Not attacking just would like to hear an explanation
I'm waiting to hear the explanation as well...
She didn't answer your question....yet.
Why does Hillary get a pass on all her crimes, but Trump doesn't .....? | |
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Location: Oklahoma | Vickie - 2016-10-17 11:43 AM
NJJ - 2016-10-17 12:15 PM Yep.....lots of "liberal" barrel racers here.....they love 4-5D payouts or equal pay-out races ....... LOL You wish, the D format didn't even exist when I was winning rodeos. But to answer the previous question: How can you call the actions of someone hired, by someone appointed by someone advising Clinton treason? Under your rules every president would be in jail. A reality check is in order. As far as emails, same thing. Do you think that Cheney should be guilty of treason? He did the same thing. I am voting for what is best for this country in my opinion.
Cheney wasn't president and yes, I think he should have been in jail, also. What about this? https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071 Don't you think that pretty much makes her guilty of breaking the law?? | |
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Location: OH | Vickie - 2016-10-17 1:43 PM When Talmage Green first came down to Florida in the 80's with the idea of the D's format I said, this will ruin barrel racing. Why would anyone work to get better when they can make money being mediocre? Equal money in the divisions is just plain wrong. If you want to win more money get faster.
Agree---no way a person winning the 4th division should get more money than someone placing in the 1st division. IMO. But, I do think the 4D format as a whole has been good for the industry. There are a lot of people now competing that just are not top level, never will be yet they are still out enjoying the sport. | |
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Location: OH | dianeguinn - 2016-10-17 1:53 PM Vickie - 2016-10-17 11:43 AM NJJ - 2016-10-17 12:15 PM Yep.....lots of "liberal" barrel racers here.....they love 4-5D payouts or equal pay-out races ....... LOL You wish, the D format didn't even exist when I was winning rodeos. But to answer the previous question: How can you call the actions of someone hired, by someone appointed by someone advising Clinton treason? Under your rules every president would be in jail. A reality check is in order. As far as emails, same thing. Do you think that Cheney should be guilty of treason? He did the same thing. I am voting for what is best for this country in my opinion. Cheney wasn't president and yes, I think he should have been in jail, also. What about this? https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071 Don't you think that pretty much makes her guilty of breaking the law??
LAWS do not apply to the Clintons or any of the "Elite" for that matter, the laws are just imposed on us common folk. | |
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| I consider myself moderate. I agree with some principles on both sides of the aisle and I have voted both sides of the aisle for various candidates at all levels of government.
I think both major party candidates suck at this point in time. I believe if Trump had acted more like a grown up this whole time he'd be beating Hillary by a mile, that's a real headscratcher for me.
I don't support the socialist direction of the government which will more than likely be what decides my vote this year. The supreme court is a huge issue for me. I'm just tired of the circus, but i get to that point in every election. This year is just extra obnoxious.
I don't think you can legislate common sense and tolerance which is what I see being attempted. I think trying to legislate it dulls our ability to be vigilant against threats. I wonder when I see attacks happen if someone did actually see something and did actually think about reporting it - but were fearful of being called bigots or racists or prosecuted themselves.
I like the D system, I always aim to be faster, but I don't hate on the grandmother who can no longer ride or doesn't want to ride a 1D horse but still wants to get out there and spend time with her grandkids, or the new folks coming into the sport.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jettster - 2016-10-17 12:46 PM
1DSoon - 2016-10-18 9:52 AM
Vickie - 2016-10-17 11:41 AM The fact that Russia is hacking emails to try to sway the election to their BFF Trump should make every American sit back and wonder why. It is not Hillary Clinton who will turn this country into a dictatorship. I do have one question: when Trump loses by a mile and his supporters call for a revolution, who exactly are you going to attack?
Help me here. My brain has a hard time grasping liberal.
How do you excuse the treason of your candidate , but because she isn't Trump?
Not attacking just would like to hear an explanation
I'm waiting to hear the explanation as well...
She didn't answer your question....yet.
Why does Hillary get a pass on all her crimes, but Trump doesn't .....?
I'll answer it for her, because liberals like her won't answer.
The answer: She hasn't committed treason. She hasn't been convicted of a crime. There's no proof of treason. Comey is a Republican and found nothing on which she could be indicted.
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Vickie - 2016-10-17 10:41 AM The fact that Russia is hacking emails to try to sway the election to their BFF Trump should make every American sit back and wonder why. It is not Hillary Clinton who will turn this country into a dictatorship. I do have one question: when Trump loses by a mile and his supporters call for a revolution, who exactly are you going to attack?
How do you even know Russia is behind the hacks? I think that Kaine going on TV and saying there will be repercussions against Russia due to the hacks is about as reckless as it gets considering current US/ Russian relations right now. I have to lol whenever I hear how Trump is going to start WW3, he may be the only one that can keep us out of it.
?Has anyone ever considered that Putin doesn't want Hillary in office because he has had dealings with the Clintons in the past and he knows she is a lying weasel? | |
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Location: OH | Barnmom - 2016-10-17 2:12 PM Vickie - 2016-10-17 10:41 AM The fact that Russia is hacking emails to try to sway the election to their BFF Trump should make every American sit back and wonder why. It is not Hillary Clinton who will turn this country into a dictatorship. I do have one question: when Trump loses by a mile and his supporters call for a revolution, who exactly are you going to attack? How do you even know Russia is behind the hacks? I think that Kaine going on TV and saying there will be repercussions against Russia due to the hacks is about as reckless as it gets considering current US/ Russian relations right now. I have to lol whenever I hear how Trump is going to start WW3, he may be the only one that can keep us out of it.
?Has anyone ever considered that Putin doesn't want Hillary in office because he has had dealings with the Clintons in the past and he knows she is a lying weasel?
People said that Reagan was going to start WWIII also---all he did was squash the Soviet Union. He did this by portraying strength---not weakness, which we are doing now. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Putin quote:
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Bear - 2016-10-17 1:21 PM Putin quote: "Hillary says I don't have a soul.......but at least I have a brain."
If any person knows about not having a soul, it would be Hillary.
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Location: East Texas | You guys comparing the D system to liberal hands outs are confused. That is like saying there should be no little league, youth league, HS ball, rec. leagues, etc.....everyone should just play in the MLB. A better comparison would be that I sign up to race, but I do not pay an entry fee. Heck, I don't even run a horse, but I expect a payout for sitting in the stands eating nachos and popcorn (which I put on your bill, BTW). | |
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Location: Kansas | CrossDRanch - 2016-10-17 1:49 PM You guys comparing the D system to liberal hands outs are confused. That is like saying there should be no little league, youth league, HS ball, rec. leagues, etc.....everyone should just play in the MLB. A better comparison would be that I sign up to race, but I do not pay an entry fee. Heck, I don't even run a horse, but I expect a payout for sitting in the stands eating nachos and popcorn (which I put on your bill, BTW).
I like that analogy.
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Location: Kansas | Did you all see where the comedian (?) Amy Schumer started taking shots at Trump supporters at one of her shows in Florida..........got booed and a couple hundred of her audience walked out. Same thing happened to Madonna a few years ago who was taking shots at Romney. She had a walkout. When will these liberal buffoons ever learn.
When will I ever learn to type?
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| Bear - 2016-10-17 8:24 AM
No doubt a Hillary presidency will be profoundly impactful on all aspects of our lives....not just our hobbies. That's the least of our concerns, as I see it.
First and foremost is the makeup of the Supreme Court.
She will be the accelerant toward further propelling our country into Statism. The 65% inheritance tax looms as the most direct, grotesque threat to family farms and ranches. We all know a lot of farmers and ranchers who own land worth a lot of money, but are struggling to get by, pay the bills and operating costs, and still keep the operation alive. Few of these farmers and ranchers will be able to come up with the money to pay this inheritance tax, and many will be forced to sell it off.
Most people are witnessing the financial horrors of the grotesque escalation of premiums due to ObamaCare. It's no secret how Hillary plans to remedy this........single payer.
The list goes on.....open borders, a "New World Order", and so forth.
But let's stick to the most critical issue, as dictated to us by the establishment and liberal MSM......35 years ago he was too horny in an airplane. We mustn't allow him to be president!
“You know what the magic word, the only thing that matters in American sexual mores today is? One thing. You can do anything, the left will promote and understand and tolerate anything, as long as there is one element. Do you know what it is? Consent. If there is consent on both or all three or all four, however many are involved in the sex act, it’s perfectly fine. Whatever it is. But if the left ever senses and smells that there’s no consent in part of the equation then here come the rape police. But consent is the magic key to the left.”Rush Limbaugh
I thought Doctors understood the concept of consent, but apparently you must have skipped that class. Then conservatives say "They must be lying because it was a long time ago.". Trump is a rich and powerful man who would have destroyed, financially and emotionally, an individual who came forward. Why are they coming forward now, you ask? Safety in numbers and a powerful lawyer to protect them. I thought you might be smarter than that, but I realize you have to play the game for your harem. A doctor, of all people, disparaging sexual assault victims, to justify your support of Trump. Shameful. | |
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Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | CrossDRanch - 2016-10-17 2:49 PM You guys comparing the D system to liberal hands outs are confused. That is like saying there should be no little league, youth league, HS ball, rec. leagues, etc.....everyone should just play in the MLB. A better comparison would be that I sign up to race, but I do not pay an entry fee. Heck, I don't even run a horse, but I expect a payout for sitting in the stands eating nachos and popcorn (which I put on your bill, BTW).
This^^ totally agree.
Vickie - do you realize how much the event has grown for this state with the D system?
Even many of the local playday kids can't easily pull a check in the 5-D now at a district race. That's not a "handout" scenario - not even close. And again, if someone doesn't like the D's, go to the rodeos and may the best one win - free country (for now) to participate in which ever extracurricular events one wants!
hand·out
(hand′out′)n.1. A gift, as of food, clothing, or money, given to the needy.
The worst thing is that people seem to forget what handouts were originally for. Needy is a lot different than LAZY pieces of trash who'd rather get by on someone else's dime than someone in true hard times that's still TRYING to work and improve their life. To compare the D system to handouts is absolutely absurd.
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | CrossDRanch - 2016-10-17 1:49 PM You guys comparing the D system to liberal hands outs are confused. That is like saying there should be no little league, youth league, HS ball, rec. leagues, etc.....everyone should just play in the MLB. A better comparison would be that I sign up to race, but I do not pay an entry fee. Heck, I don't even run a horse, but I expect a payout for sitting in the stands eating nachos and popcorn (which I put on your bill, BTW).
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Barnmom - 2016-10-17 1:31 PM Bear - 2016-10-17 1:21 PM Putin quote: "Hillary says I don't have a soul.......but at least I have a brain." If any person knows about not having a soul, it would be Hillary.
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Liberalism and the notion have invaded every aspect of American life. So many on here are set to condem the government, but are all for buy backs and equal pay out. I have witnessed things on barrel racing this year that would have previously been beyond belief. The sad fact is that most cannot see the forest for the trees. Free everything sounds so good, just like people winning as much on a slow horse as one that is two seconds faster. You cannot condem one and support the other without some degree of hypocrisy. Soon we will be a nation of equals just like the libs want. Equally poor and hungry.
LMAO! If you want to be a true conservative professional barrel racer, don't go to any 4D's where the event wouldn't exist without the support of recreational racers. Have a 1D or go to a rodeo. There won't be any hobbyists there to suck dry. Be a shark that swims with sharks and let me know how it turns out. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | FinneyQuarterHorses - 2016-10-17 2:15 PM
Bear - 2016-10-17 8:24 AM
No doubt a Hillary presidency will be profoundly impactful on all aspects of our lives....not just our hobbies. That's the least of our concerns, as I see it.
First and foremost is the makeup of the Supreme Court.
She will be the accelerant toward further propelling our country into Statism. The 65% inheritance tax looms as the most direct, grotesque threat to family farms and ranches. We all know a lot of farmers and ranchers who own land worth a lot of money, but are struggling to get by, pay the bills and operating costs, and still keep the operation alive. Few of these farmers and ranchers will be able to come up with the money to pay this inheritance tax, and many will be forced to sell it off.
Most people are witnessing the financial horrors of the grotesque escalation of premiums due to ObamaCare. It's no secret how Hillary plans to remedy this........single payer.
The list goes on.....open borders, a "New World Order", and so forth.
But let's stick to the most critical issue, as dictated to us by the establishment and liberal MSM......35 years ago he was too horny in an airplane. We mustn't allow him to be president!
“You know what the magic word, the only thing that matters in American sexual mores today is? One thing. You can do anything, the left will promote and understand and tolerate anything, as long as there is one element. Do you know what it is? Consent. If there is consent on both or all three or all four, however many are involved in the sex act, it’s perfectly fine. Whatever it is. But if the left ever senses and smells that there’s no consent in part of the equation then here come the rape police. But consent is the magic key to the left.”Rush Limbaugh
I thought Doctors understood the concept of consent, but apparently you must have skipped that class. Then conservatives say "They must be lying because it was a long time ago.". Trump is a rich and powerful man who would have destroyed, financially and emotionally, an individual who came forward. Why are they coming forward now, you ask? Safety in numbers and a powerful lawyer to protect them. I thought you might be smarter than that, but I realize you have to play the game for your harem. A doctor, of all people, disparaging sexual assault victims, to justify your support of Trump. Shameful.
And your double standards and hypocrisy is grotesque.
Apply those same standards to Bill Clinton's assaults, and unwanted advances, while Hillary makes "disparaging" remarks toward his accusers, and then maybe I'll listen.
As a matter of fact, your use of the term "harem" is a sexist misreprentation of women on this forum. Justify that with your twisted liberal logic.
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Location: OH | All of this is just a distraction. The system is broken and all the politicians want to keep the status quo in place because they are beholden to the people who PAID to get them elected. This is the problem with the system---IT HAS TO END. | |
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| I'm going to preface this by saying - I hate them all. I hate the two party system. I hate how American politics has turned out. I am not a supporter of either side. I'm not liberal, I'm not conservative, I am 100% independent.
However, the majority of political people on this website are just out to spout lies to scare the masses. Eight years ago, I heard all these exact same things about Obama. How the world was going to end, life as you know it was over, and he was just after your guns.
None of that has happened. Life got a little more expensive, but overall quality of life for Americans as a whole has improved. Anyone who says otherwise is either an idiot or oblivious.
I liked Bernie Sanders.... no, not because I'm lazy, only want free stuff, or think I'm entitled. I liked Bernie because he was real. He was a genuine person who stood for the same major ideas that I do. Once Bernie got ripped off for the democratic nomination (because he did, the whole thing was rigged and everyone knows it), I moved on to looking closer at the other candidates that I didn't like as much, but could tolerate. I don't like either Jill Stein or Gary Johnson because.... they have odd viewpoints and I don't agree with most of their points. So I looked at Trump and Clinton.
Another point before I continue - I don't care about emails, I don't care about Benghazi, I don't care about whatever the hell you want to complain about to make it look like she 'isn't qualified' (that's a bunch of bull and everyone knows it - if we are going off of who is qualified, Trump doesn't even need to be mentioned). I care about viewpoints. I care about their opinions on issues. I think both major party nominations have serious flaws about them.
The issue I have with Trump is simply he can't make up his mind on what the hell he stands for. He changes his mind more than a 5 year old, and then lies when you point it out. He put the nail in his coffin for me when he picked Pence as his VP, because he is the most worthless scum to ever walk the planet.... yes, I'm from Indiana, we are glad to see him GONE.
Not that it is really anyone's business, but I will vote Hillary. Not because I like her, I really don't. But the viewpoints that she has held this entire election are ones that I can most agree with. That is all that should matter when looking at your candidates. Every politician who has ever held office will have skeletons in their closet. Trump doesn't have any because he has never had any political experience in his life - but he has more than enough moral and social skeletons to talk about for weeks.
I don't care who you vote for. All I care about is that before you vote, actually look at what all the candidates stand for. Listen to what they say. Go back and see what viewpoints have changed over this election span, because that is a good indicator that they don't really believe what they are telling you.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Well, I must be one of those oblivious idiots then.
Yes, Obama has done a great deal to lessen the quality of life for most Americans.....at least the ones that I know. I'll point out one obvious example: ObamaCare. | |
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| FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-10-17 4:32 PM I'm going to preface this by saying - I hate them all. I hate the two party system. I hate how American politics has turned out. I am not a supporter of either side. I'm not liberal, I'm not conservative, I am 100% independent. However, the majority of political people on this website are just out to spout lies to scare the masses. Eight years ago, I heard all these exact same things about Obama. How the world was going to end, life as you know it was over, and he was just after your guns. None of that has happened. Life got a little more expensive, but overall quality of life for Americans as a whole has improved. Anyone who says otherwise is either an idiot or oblivious. I liked Bernie Sanders.... no, not because I'm lazy, only want free stuff, or think I'm entitled. I liked Bernie because he was real. He was a genuine person who stood for the same major ideas that I do. Once Bernie got ripped off for the democratic nomination (because he did, the whole thing was rigged and everyone knows it), I moved on to looking closer at the other candidates that I didn't like as much, but could tolerate. I don't like either Jill Stein or Gary Johnson because.... they have odd viewpoints and I don't agree with most of their points. So I looked at Trump and Clinton. Another point before I continue - I don't care about emails, I don't care about Benghazi, I don't care about whatever the hell you want to complain about to make it look like she 'isn't qualified' (that's a bunch of bull and everyone knows it - if we are going off of who is qualified, Trump doesn't even need to be mentioned). I care about viewpoints. I care about their opinions on issues. I think both major party nominations have serious flaws about them. The issue I have with Trump is simply he can't make up his mind on what the hell he stands for. He changes his mind more than a 5 year old, and then lies when you point it out. He put the nail in his coffin for me when he picked Pence as his VP, because he is the most worthless scum to ever walk the planet.... yes, I'm from Indiana, we are glad to see him GONE. Not that it is really anyone's business, but I will vote Hillary. Not because I like her, I really don't. But the viewpoints that she has held this entire election are ones that I can most agree with. That is all that should matter when looking at your candidates. Every politician who has ever held office will have skeletons in their closet. Trump doesn't have any because he has never had any political experience in his life - but he has more than enough moral and social skeletons to talk about for weeks. I don't care who you vote for. All I care about is that before you vote, actually look at what all the candidates stand for. Listen to what they say. Go back and see what viewpoints have changed over this election span, because that is a good indicator that they don't really believe what they are telling you. Don't be a sheep, make your own educated decision.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | TXBO - 2016-10-17 5:41 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-10-17 4:32 PM I'm going to preface this by saying - I hate them all. I hate the two party system. I hate how American politics has turned out. I am not a supporter of either side. I'm not liberal, I'm not conservative, I am 100% independent. However, the majority of political people on this website are just out to spout lies to scare the masses. Eight years ago, I heard all these exact same things about Obama. How the world was going to end, life as you know it was over, and he was just after your guns. None of that has happened. Life got a little more expensive, but overall quality of life for Americans as a whole has improved. Anyone who says otherwise is either an idiot or oblivious. I liked Bernie Sanders.... no, not because I'm lazy, only want free stuff, or think I'm entitled. I liked Bernie because he was real. He was a genuine person who stood for the same major ideas that I do. Once Bernie got ripped off for the democratic nomination (because he did, the whole thing was rigged and everyone knows it), I moved on to looking closer at the other candidates that I didn't like as much, but could tolerate. I don't like either Jill Stein or Gary Johnson because.... they have odd viewpoints and I don't agree with most of their points. So I looked at Trump and Clinton. Another point before I continue - I don't care about emails, I don't care about Benghazi, I don't care about whatever the hell you want to complain about to make it look like she 'isn't qualified' (that's a bunch of bull and everyone knows it - if we are going off of who is qualified, Trump doesn't even need to be mentioned). I care about viewpoints. I care about their opinions on issues. I think both major party nominations have serious flaws about them. The issue I have with Trump is simply he can't make up his mind on what the hell he stands for. He changes his mind more than a 5 year old, and then lies when you point it out. He put the nail in his coffin for me when he picked Pence as his VP, because he is the most worthless scum to ever walk the planet.... yes, I'm from Indiana, we are glad to see him GONE. Not that it is really anyone's business, but I will vote Hillary. Not because I like her, I really don't. But the viewpoints that she has held this entire election are ones that I can most agree with. That is all that should matter when looking at your candidates. Every politician who has ever held office will have skeletons in their closet. Trump doesn't have any because he has never had any political experience in his life - but he has more than enough moral and social skeletons to talk about for weeks. I don't care who you vote for. All I care about is that before you vote, actually look at what all the candidates stand for. Listen to what they say. Go back and see what viewpoints have changed over this election span, because that is a good indicator that they don't really believe what they are telling you. Don't be a sheep, make your own educated decision. I find it absolutely hilarious that you could write this and then implore the throngs for an educated decision.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | 1DSoon - 2016-10-17 4:46 PM
TXBO - 2016-10-17 5:41 PM FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-10-17 4:32 PM I'm going to preface this by saying - I hate them all. I hate the two party system. I hate how American politics has turned out. I am not a supporter of either side. I'm not liberal, I'm not conservative, I am 100% independent. However, the majority of political people on this website are just out to spout lies to scare the masses. Eight years ago, I heard all these exact same things about Obama. How the world was going to end, life as you know it was over, and he was just after your guns. None of that has happened. Life got a little more expensive, but overall quality of life for Americans as a whole has improved. Anyone who says otherwise is either an idiot or oblivious. I liked Bernie Sanders.... no, not because I'm lazy, only want free stuff, or think I'm entitled. I liked Bernie because he was real. He was a genuine person who stood for the same major ideas that I do. Once Bernie got ripped off for the democratic nomination (because he did, the whole thing was rigged and everyone knows it), I moved on to looking closer at the other candidates that I didn't like as much, but could tolerate. I don't like either Jill Stein or Gary Johnson because.... they have odd viewpoints and I don't agree with most of their points. So I looked at Trump and Clinton. Another point before I continue - I don't care about emails, I don't care about Benghazi, I don't care about whatever the hell you want to complain about to make it look like she 'isn't qualified' (that's a bunch of bull and everyone knows it - if we are going off of who is qualified, Trump doesn't even need to be mentioned). I care about viewpoints. I care about their opinions on issues. I think both major party nominations have serious flaws about them. The issue I have with Trump is simply he can't make up his mind on what the hell he stands for. He changes his mind more than a 5 year old, and then lies when you point it out. He put the nail in his coffin for me when he picked Pence as his VP, because he is the most worthless scum to ever walk the planet.... yes, I'm from Indiana, we are glad to see him GONE. Not that it is really anyone's business, but I will vote Hillary. Not because I like her, I really don't. But the viewpoints that she has held this entire election are ones that I can most agree with. That is all that should matter when looking at your candidates. Every politician who has ever held office will have skeletons in their closet. Trump doesn't have any because he has never had any political experience in his life - but he has more than enough moral and social skeletons to talk about for weeks. I don't care who you vote for. All I care about is that before you vote, actually look at what all the candidates stand for. Listen to what they say. Go back and see what viewpoints have changed over this election span, because that is a good indicator that they don't really believe what they are telling you. Don't be a sheep, make your own educated decision. I find it absolutely hilarious that you could write this and then implore the throngs for an educated decision.
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Location: Opelousas, LA | SloRide - 2016-10-17 5:02 PM I am pretty liberal. Hell would freeze over before I voted for either of these two candidates. But our problems are bigger than just these to candidates. We have a serious problem with corruption and greed. It's in both parties and every department.
Exactly, which is why half the GOP can't stand Trump along with 90% of the media. He knows thier game and I believe he will do more than anyone ever has to put and end to it.
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Location: Ky | Vickie - 2016-10-17 12:43 PM When Talmage Green first came down to Florida in the 80's with the idea of the D's format I said, this will ruin barrel racing. Why would anyone work to get better when they can make money being mediocre? Equal money in the divisions is just plain wrong. If you want to win more money get faster.
The D format was well before Talmadge Green. It was started in Portland, Tn based on the ET racing in drag racing. It was done because they coulodn't compete against Rooster.
And also the idea was to have one barrel race instead of a men's and women's and a youth. And for people to be able to win money while learning or training.
Talmadgfe and Mike did take the idea and run with it. Then the equal pay thing started in the same area as the D system started. To me that's as wrong as anything the sport ever experienced but it seems it's here to stay.
The D system was 3 D at the onset with a full second split. Now we have 5 and even 6 D races. And a youth and senior D system. Barrel racing was never much of a spectator sport but it not at all now. It has become a participant sport which was what Mike and Talmadge envisioned.
The old schoolers like me hate it. But we are dinosaurs of this sport. It's a new day of socialized barrel racing and it's here to stay.
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| I agree with you , I know for me financially I'm doing better than I was eight years ago, next time you go to a barrelrace look at all the freight liners pulling living quarter trailers, look what people pay for horses and the numbers are big and these are nbha sanctioned shows, it sure doesn't look like hard times. I do know it's a struggle for a lot i am a public servant and i am out in the rural areas of Appalachia five days a week. | |
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| tin can - 2016-10-17 5:20 PM I agree with you , I know for me financially I'm doing better than I was eight years ago, next time you go to a barrelrace look at all the freight liners pulling living quarter trailers, look what people pay for horses and the numbers are big and these are nbha sanctioned shows, it sure doesn't look like hard times. I do know it's a struggle for a lot i am a public servant and i am out in the rural areas of Appalachia five days a week.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | TXBO - 2016-10-17 5:26 PM
tin can - 2016-10-17 5:20 PM I agree with you , I know for me financially I'm doing better than I was eight years ago, next time you go to a barrelrace look at all the freight liners pulling living quarter trailers, look what people pay for horses and the numbers are big and these are nbha sanctioned shows, it sure doesn't look like hard times. I do know it's a struggle for a lot i am a public servant and i am out in the rural areas of Appalachia five days a week.
And what was Obama's contribution to this new found prosperity?
ObamaCare, you blithering idiot! | |
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| Bear - 2016-10-17 4:41 PM
Well, I must be one of those oblivious idiots then.
Yes, Obama has done a great deal to lessen the quality of life for most Americans.....at least the ones that I know. I'll point out one obvious example: ObamaCare.
Yeah I'm one of those idiots too. Sorry but anyone who votes for Hillary needs their head examined! | |
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| Bear - 2016-10-17 5:28 PM TXBO - 2016-10-17 5:26 PM tin can - 2016-10-17 5:20 PM I agree with you , I know for me financially I'm doing better than I was eight years ago, next time you go to a barrelrace look at all the freight liners pulling living quarter trailers, look what people pay for horses and the numbers are big and these are nbha sanctioned shows, it sure doesn't look like hard times. I do know it's a struggle for a lot i am a public servant and i am out in the rural areas of Appalachia five days a week. And what was Obama's contribution to this new found prosperity? ObamaCare, you blithering idiot!
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Location: lone star state | Debt... Huge amounts of unpayable debt. Most of those huge rigs are mortgaged to the end of time as are many horses. | |
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| Do a little research and look at the mess we were in the banks ford, Chrysler Chevrolet. The stock market is up compared to 2007 he isn't perfect but he did do some things that helped us from being in a worse recession than what we were in, no die hard republican will ever see it so I'm wasting my energy lol. | |
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Location: Ky | You can certainly count of the right to personally attack anyone that doesn't agree with them. The loudest in the room is usually not the rightest in the room. | |
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| jd&ez - 2016-10-17 5:41 PM You can certainly count of the right to personally attack anyone that doesn't agree with them. The loudest in the room is usually not the rightest in the room.
You can certainly count on the left to cry "personal attack" without an intelligent discussion of issues or rational solutions to problems. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | FlyingHigh1454 - 2016-10-17 4:32 PM I don't care who you vote for. All I care about is that before you vote, actually look at what all the candidates stand for. Listen to what they say. Go back and see what viewpoints have changed over this election span, because that is a good indicator that they don't really believe what they are telling you. Don't be a sheep, make your own educated decision.
I certainly agree with these statements......and more importantly, RESEARCH and vote for the Senators and Representatives that follow YOUR values ......... | |
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| tin can - 2016-10-17 6:34 PM Do a little research and look at the mess we were in the banks ford, Chrysler Chevrolet. The stock market is up compared to 2007 he isn't perfect but he did do some things that helped us from being in a worse recession than what we were in, no die hard republican will ever see it so I'm wasting my energy lol.
the stock market is fixing to correct big toime not that i am smart but look at past history
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| firewaterfuelsme - 2016-10-17 5:31 PM
Debt... Huge amounts of unpayable debt. Most of those huge rigs are mortgaged to the end of time as are many horses.
This. So much this. A friend of mine has a fifteen year loan on her 2016 Dodge. A PICKUP. Like, what? She's of the mentality of, "Oh no, it only costs me $600 a month." No thought of the bigger picture.
Much less the $90,000 trailer, then the full coverage insurance to appease the banks on both.
Just no way, no way to pay it off.
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| tin can - 2016-10-17 5:34 PM
Do a little research and look at the mess we were in the banks ford, Chrysler Chevrolet. The stock market is up compared to 2007 he isn't perfect but he did do some things that helped us from being in a worse recession than what we were in, no die hard republican will ever see it so I'm wasting my energy lol.
Sure. Please review the ridiculous increase of the national debt and consider who is going to pay for that? That's how they got so much bigger, with bail outs and blah blah blah. Our finances are kind of like that drunk chick on the trampoline in college. It's just a matter of when she jumps a little too hard, over corrects, and lands on her head in the gravel driveway.
The Democrats of my family are famous for saying that a country shouldn't be run like a business. Well, when person hires someone, issues them W2s, borrows money, has buildings, and land, and infrastructure, they have a business.
The US needs to absolutely be run as a business. The most important thing here, regardless of the back biting and scratching, needs to be the national debt. Unless that is paid down to a manageable amount, we won't have a country to fight over.
Our government has been reckless, and all they care about is being popular enough to win the vote so they can continue to make a living. Well, sorry, but that's bad for business.
America is a pickle, and no mistake.
I don't have any answers, except term limits, and there's no politician in the world that would institute the end of their own bread and butter. | |
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| tin can - 2016-10-17 5:34 PM
Do a little research and look at the mess we were in the banks ford, Chrysler Chevrolet. The stock market is up compared to 2007 he isn't perfect but he did do some things that helped us from being in a worse recession than what we were in, no die hard republican will ever see it so I'm wasting my energy lol.
And yet 94 million fewer are working than when he took over. The stock market is a total joke it's only up because of cheap money backed up from the Fed's. It's a huge bobble getting ready to pop and it's not going to be pretty. And it has been the slowest recovery since 1948. Great job Big O...not!!! Not one of the Obama years has produced growth of 3%. You might try taking off your rose colored glasses and actually look at the facts. | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Mighty Broke - 2016-10-17 12:08 PM Vickie - 2016-10-17 12:43 PM NJJ - 2016-10-17 12:15 PM Yep.....lots of "liberal" barrel racers here.....they love 4-5D payouts or equal pay-out races ....... LOL You wish, the D format didn't even exist when I was winning rodeos. But to answer the previous question: How can you call the actions of someone hired, by someone appointed by someone advising Clinton treason? Under your rules every president would be in jail. A reality check is in order. As far as emails, same thing. Do you think that Cheney should be guilty of treason? He did the same thing. I am voting for what is best for this country in my opinion.
I wish I had saved a post someone made about the Haitian's not getting the money to rebuild that was collected. They said it was a good thing that they didn't rebuild as it would have all been blown down again.. | |
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| SloRide - 2016-10-17 5:43 PM
Have any of you read any of the wiki leaks emails?
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | jbhoot - 2016-10-17 7:04 PM tin can - 2016-10-17 5:34 PM Do a little research and look at the mess we were in the banks ford, Chrysler Chevrolet. The stock market is up compared to 2007 he isn't perfect but he did do some things that helped us from being in a worse recession than what we were in, no die hard republican will ever see it so I'm wasting my energy lol. And yet 94 million fewer are working than when he took over. The stock market is a total joke it's only up because of cheap money backed up from the Fed's. It's a huge bobble getting ready to pop and it's not going to be pretty. And it has been the slowest recovery since 1948. Great job Big O...not!!! Not one of the Obama years has produced growth of 3%. You might try taking off your rose colored glasses and actually look at the facts.
All the money the Fed's are printing that isn't backed up by gold is beyond scary. Hopefully we won't be around to watch America turn completely into a third world country as it is well on it's way. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | jbhoot - 2016-10-17 7:04 PM tin can - 2016-10-17 5:34 PM Do a little research and look at the mess we were in the banks ford, Chrysler Chevrolet. The stock market is up compared to 2007 he isn't perfect but he did do some things that helped us from being in a worse recession than what we were in, no die hard republican will ever see it so I'm wasting my energy lol. And yet 94 million fewer are working than when he took over. The stock market is a total joke it's only up because of cheap money backed up from the Fed's. It's a huge bobble getting ready to pop and it's not going to be pretty. And it has been the slowest recovery since 1948. Great job Big O...not!!! Not one of the Obama years has produced growth of 3%. You might try taking off your rose colored glasses and actually look at the facts.
Oh I bet he knows, he dont need those rose color glasses because he could give a rats A** about the facts.. | |
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| I fail to see how I am better off than 8 years ago. I have lost my well paying job, due to market conditions in the energy field.
My electric is three times what it was, my insurance premium for the family has went up 2000.00 per month.
If we didn't live smart we would be drowning in debt. Thankful we have our house paid off and no car payments because we would be in a world of hurt because of the cost of healthcare.
I work hard to keep our grocery bill down- that is hard because the cost escalates. We raise our own beef and pork, can most of the vegetables from the garden. We are far from better than 8 years ago.
Plus interest is in the toilet and at my age I prefer more conservative methods of saving for my retirement. A whole other gripe- they take part of our paycheck for Social Security, but I will never see a piece of that for my retirement- not sure what its funding at the moment.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | tin can - 2016-10-17 6:34 PM Do a little research and look at the mess we were in the banks ford, Chrysler Chevrolet. The stock market is up compared to 2007 he isn't perfect but he did do some things that helped us from being in a worse recession than what we were in, no die hard republican will ever see it so I'm wasting my energy lol.
your user name is apropos,,,,,,,,,,,because what this current admin has done is kick the can down the road for future generations to take responsiblity for.
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| Nevertooold - 2016-10-17 7:14 PM
jbhoot - 2016-10-17 7:04 PM tin can - 2016-10-17 5:34 PM Do a little research and look at the mess we were in the banks ford, Chrysler Chevrolet. The stock market is up compared to 2007 he isn't perfect but he did do some things that helped us from being in a worse recession than what we were in, no die hard republican will ever see it so I'm wasting my energy lol. And yet 94 million fewer are working than when he took over. The stock market is a total joke it's only up because of cheap money backed up from the Fed's. It's a huge bobble getting ready to pop and it's not going to be pretty. And it has been the slowest recovery since 1948. Great job Big O...not!!! Not one of the Obama years has produced growth of 3%. You might try taking off your rose colored glasses and actually look at the facts.
The sad part is they aren't really printing the money a lot of it is electronic just a couple of key strokes and presto Wells Fargo gets a cheap loan and can turn around and buy FDR notes and make a profit zero risk. | |
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This is a long watch but well worth it. British documentary released in 2012. The world has been laughing at the USA for a long time!
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Location: Where I am happiest | Do you people voting for Hillary have ANY idea what her Open Borders will do? Open for the free flowing pouring in of drugs. Crime and the drug cartels coming and going at will. Anybody that wants to come in can. No checks, no border patrol, nothing. It's open!!
? I like our constitution and bill of rights. She has told us all repeatedly she believes the supreme court has always made a mistake by standing by the second ammendment. She plans on repealing the law that prevents anybody from sueing gun manufacturers. This will put gun manufacturers out of business in short order.
So thats a great plan. Dis-arm americans and open the borders. Great plan. Talk about opening pandoras box of mayham. | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Oh, and the only third party/independant candidate thats viable and sane is Evan McMullin. In fact, he is at the top of the polls in Utah and he only announced his candidancy in aug. https://www.evanmcmullin.com/about_evan | |
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Location: The Great Northwest | American is going to continue on the spiral to more like a third world country if Hillary is elected. Prayers Americans will vote for a change and vote for Mr. Trump. | |
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Location: Kansas | I don't think anyone has a clue how many Hispanics are flooding into this country as I write this sad little post. Cubans, Haitians, Puerto Ricans, Asians, Arabs. Millions. and I truly believe there is a path for them to vote in this election. Trump is right. It's rigged.
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| Vickie - 2016-10-17 10:41 AM
The fact that Russia is hacking emails to try to sway the election to their BFF Trump should make every American sit back and wonder why. It is not Hillary Clinton who will turn this country into a dictatorship. I do have one question: when Trump loses by a mile and his supporters call for a revolution, who exactly are you going to attack?
Here's an analogy question to your Russian argument
If a robber breaks into your house and finds a dead body, do you ignore the dead body and focus on the robber?
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Location: sunny california | i have kicked every liberal out of my circles. all of them. not just the inner circle. I want nothing to do with them. i used to believe that everyone was entitled to an opinion. well guess what criminals have an opinion; they can justify killing you for $50. i refuse to be friends with someone that is putting my life in jeopardy.
I know a couple english trainers that are flaming liberals. they spew their hate all over facebook, all the while trying to slice the "humanity " into conservatives.They are basically angry people that did not succeed in their training buisness. not because of some republican policys but because of their own mistakes and condecending attitude. no one wants to take lessons from them. If you have more money than them; it must some injustice right? They put in one day of hard work and whine about it all over facebook for all the other lazy people to feel sorry for them. Well you know what? all those people with more than you, have worked that way for 35 years. they have sacrificed all those fun days you had at the shows for even longer days to get ahead. Sorry but you can't take what i have worked my whole life for...
I realize their are problems on both sides. this election is not about voting for trump. it is about sending a message to both sides. we need an overhauling in this country so that Hope of middle class is brought back. no not everyone will make it but there needs to be hope and opportunity. that is what keeps the masses in line not taking their guns.
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Location: Where I am happiest | It is amazing to me to see so many, on both sides of the isle complain about the corruption and lobyists but yet are voting for more of that exact thing on steroids by voting for Hillary. | |
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Location: Florida | I find this post sad. To kick out friends over politics? Really? They aren't losing much of a friend if you would do that. Besides which if you don't listen to both sides how can you make an intelligent decision? There are things Republicans say that make sense and that I agree with, same with Democrats. I am registered Independent but I listen to everyone and make an informed decision. | |
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Location: TEXAS | tin can - 2016-10-17 5:34 PM Do a little research and look at the mess we were in the banks ford, Chrysler Chevrolet. The stock market is up compared to 2007 he isn't perfect but he did do some things that helped us from being in a worse recession than what we were in, no die hard republican will ever see it so I'm wasting my energy lol.
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| She wont talk about it, nor how to address it. (In reference to the National Debt - its a non issue to her) This election is a game changer! Cant you see it?!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | We need a re-set.
The bubble is set to burst.
Our Constitution is about to be disassembled and revised.
Our freedoms will be surrendered.
Total tax reform is needed desperately.
Social Security is set to collapse.
Medicare is set to collapse.
Healthcare is an absolute shambles, top to bottom.
Our National Debt is totally out of control.
Corruption is rampant.
Borders don't exist.
Laws mean nothing.
"With Liberty and Justice for all" is a lie, designated to the ash heap of history.
Our trade policies wind up sucking manufacturing and jobs out of the country.
We are protecting countries whose citizens want us destroyed.
We've squandered our respect across the globe, including our allies.
The media can no longer be trusted.
Disrespect for our flag and National Anthem has become popular.
We are giving tens of billions to our enemies.
1 out of 5 families in the USA have not a single member gainfully employed.
We are allowing politicians to promise more freebies, like healthcare and college education.
The only place where you find "American Exceptionalism" with any regularity is in our soldiers, and they end up getting screwed when they get back home.
We are getting closer to electing a president who wants to implement a tax reform that is even more burdensome and set to decimate family farms through legalized confiscatory taxation.
It all makes me very sad, not so much for myself, but because I'm convinced our apathy and complacency will turn America into a corrupt socialist utopia for my kids and grandkids. It's just very very sad.
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Location: Florida | Bear - 2016-10-18 10:19 AM We need a re-set. The bubble is set to burst. Our Constitution is about to be disassembled and revised. Our freedoms will be surrendered. Total tax reform is needed desperately. Social Security is set to collapse. Medicare is set to collapse. Healthcare is an absolute shambles, top to bottom. Our National Debt is totally out of control. Corruption is rampant. Borders don't exist. Laws mean nothing. "With Liberty and Justice for all" is a lie, designated to the ash heap of history. Our trade policies wind up sucking manufacturing and jobs out of the country. We are protecting countries whose citizens want us destroyed. We've squandered our respect across the globe, including our allies. The media can no longer be trusted. Disrespect for our flag and National Anthem has become popular. We are giving tens of billions to our enemies. 1 out of 5 families in the USA have not a single member gainfully employed. We are allowing politicians to promise more freebies, like healthcare and college education. The only place where you find "American Exceptionalism" with any regularity is in our soldiers, and they end up getting screwed when they get back home. We are getting closer to electing a president who wants to implement a tax reform that is even more burdensome and set to decimate family farms through legalized confiscatory taxation. It all makes me very sad, not so much for myself, but because I'm convinced our apathy and complacency will turn America into a corrupt socialist utopia for my kids and grandkids. It's just very very sad.
You must have lots of trouble getting asleep at night. A little optimism would go a long way with that problem. Now that we are not fighting Bush's wars on two fronts we will get out of debt, it will just take time. We will not get out of debt if Trump's tax cuts go through.
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| Bear - 2016-10-18 9:19 AM We need a re-set. The bubble is set to burst. Our Constitution is about to be disassembled and revised. Our freedoms will be surrendered. Total tax reform is needed desperately. Social Security is set to collapse. Medicare is set to collapse. Healthcare is an absolute shambles, top to bottom. Our National Debt is totally out of control. Corruption is rampant. Borders don't exist. Laws mean nothing. "With Liberty and Justice for all" is a lie, designated to the ash heap of history. Our trade policies wind up sucking manufacturing and jobs out of the country. We are protecting countries whose citizens want us destroyed. We've squandered our respect across the globe, including our allies. The media can no longer be trusted. Disrespect for our flag and National Anthem has become popular. We are giving tens of billions to our enemies. 1 out of 5 families in the USA have not a single member gainfully employed. We are allowing politicians to promise more freebies, like healthcare and college education. The only place where you find "American Exceptionalism" with any regularity is in our soldiers, and they end up getting screwed when they get back home. We are getting closer to electing a president who wants to implement a tax reform that is even more burdensome and set to decimate family farms through legalized confiscatory taxation. It all makes me very sad, not so much for myself, but because I'm convinced our apathy and complacency will turn America into a corrupt socialist utopia for my kids and grandkids. It's just very very sad.
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| Vickie - 2016-10-18 9:42 AM . Now that we are not fighting Bush's wars on two fronts we will get out of debt, it will just take time. ......
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Location: Oklahoma | TXBO - 2016-10-18 9:48 AM
Bear - 2016-10-18 9:19 AM We need a re-set. The bubble is set to burst. Our Constitution is about to be disassembled and revised. Our freedoms will be surrendered. Total tax reform is needed desperately. Social Security is set to collapse. Medicare is set to collapse. Healthcare is an absolute shambles, top to bottom. Our National Debt is totally out of control. Corruption is rampant. Borders don't exist. Laws mean nothing. "With Liberty and Justice for all" is a lie, designated to the ash heap of history. Our trade policies wind up sucking manufacturing and jobs out of the country. We are protecting countries whose citizens want us destroyed. We've squandered our respect across the globe, including our allies. The media can no longer be trusted. Disrespect for our flag and National Anthem has become popular. We are giving tens of billions to our enemies. 1 out of 5 families in the USA have not a single member gainfully employed. We are allowing politicians to promise more freebies, like healthcare and college education. The only place where you find "American Exceptionalism" with any regularity is in our soldiers, and they end up getting screwed when they get back home. We are getting closer to electing a president who wants to implement a tax reform that is even more burdensome and set to decimate family farms through legalized confiscatory taxation. It all makes me very sad, not so much for myself, but because I'm convinced our apathy and complacency will turn America into a corrupt socialist utopia for my kids and grandkids. It's just very very sad.
But you left out how much race relations have improved since Obama took office.
If you want something to REALLY make you sick, watch this. http://dennismichaellynch.com/really-happening-votes/ | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | TXBO - 2016-10-18 9:51 AM Vickie - 2016-10-18 9:42 AM . Now that we are not fighting Bush's wars on two fronts we will get out of debt, it will just take time. ......
Now we are fighting ISIS all over the globe.
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | And once our borders are open up, there will be more then ISIS to worry about. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Vickie - 2016-10-18 9:42 AM
Bear - 2016-10-18 10:19 AM We need a re-set. The bubble is set to burst. Our Constitution is about to be disassembled and revised. Our freedoms will be surrendered. Total tax reform is needed desperately. Social Security is set to collapse. Medicare is set to collapse. Healthcare is an absolute shambles, top to bottom. Our National Debt is totally out of control. Corruption is rampant. Borders don't exist. Laws mean nothing. "With Liberty and Justice for all" is a lie, designated to the ash heap of history. Our trade policies wind up sucking manufacturing and jobs out of the country. We are protecting countries whose citizens want us destroyed. We've squandered our respect across the globe, including our allies. The media can no longer be trusted. Disrespect for our flag and National Anthem has become popular. We are giving tens of billions to our enemies. 1 out of 5 families in the USA have not a single member gainfully employed. We are allowing politicians to promise more freebies, like healthcare and college education. The only place where you find "American Exceptionalism" with any regularity is in our soldiers, and they end up getting screwed when they get back home. We are getting closer to electing a president who wants to implement a tax reform that is even more burdensome and set to decimate family farms through legalized confiscatory taxation. It all makes me very sad, not so much for myself, but because I'm convinced our apathy and complacency will turn America into a corrupt socialist utopia for my kids and grandkids. It's just very very sad.
You must have lots of trouble getting asleep at night. A little optimism would go a long way with that problem. Now that we are not fighting Bush's wars on two fronts we will get out of debt, it will just take time. We will not get out of debt if Trump's tax cuts go through.
You know what Vickie? That is one of the more correct statements I've ever seen you make. Yes, as a matter of fact, I do have trouble getting to sleep at night, and I wish more people shared my same concerns. What I find conspicuous is that you didn't dispute a single remark I made in that post. All you did was come up with the same tired rhetoric that everything is Bush's fault. The truth of the matter is that, right or wrong, both of those wars entirely bi-partisan. Democrats who had access to the same information enthusiastically supported both wars......including Hillary.
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| dianeguinn - 2016-10-18 9:53 AM TXBO - 2016-10-18 9:48 AM Bear - 2016-10-18 9:19 AM We need a re-set. The bubble is set to burst. Our Constitution is about to be disassembled and revised. Our freedoms will be surrendered. Total tax reform is needed desperately. Social Security is set to collapse. Medicare is set to collapse. Healthcare is an absolute shambles, top to bottom. Our National Debt is totally out of control. Corruption is rampant. Borders don't exist. Laws mean nothing. "With Liberty and Justice for all" is a lie, designated to the ash heap of history. Our trade policies wind up sucking manufacturing and jobs out of the country. We are protecting countries whose citizens want us destroyed. We've squandered our respect across the globe, including our allies. The media can no longer be trusted. Disrespect for our flag and National Anthem has become popular. We are giving tens of billions to our enemies. 1 out of 5 families in the USA have not a single member gainfully employed. We are allowing politicians to promise more freebies, like healthcare and college education. The only place where you find "American Exceptionalism" with any regularity is in our soldiers, and they end up getting screwed when they get back home. We are getting closer to electing a president who wants to implement a tax reform that is even more burdensome and set to decimate family farms through legalized confiscatory taxation. It all makes me very sad, not so much for myself, but because I'm convinced our apathy and complacency will turn America into a corrupt socialist utopia for my kids and grandkids. It's just very very sad.
But you left out how much race relations have improved since Obama took office. If you want something to REALLY make you sick, watch this. http://dennismichaellynch.com/really-happening-votes/
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Bear - 2016-10-18 10:09 AM Vickie - 2016-10-18 9:42 AM Bear - 2016-10-18 10:19 AM We need a re-set. The bubble is set to burst. Our Constitution is about to be disassembled and revised. Our freedoms will be surrendered. Total tax reform is needed desperately. Social Security is set to collapse. Medicare is set to collapse. Healthcare is an absolute shambles, top to bottom. Our National Debt is totally out of control. Corruption is rampant. Borders don't exist. Laws mean nothing. "With Liberty and Justice for all" is a lie, designated to the ash heap of history. Our trade policies wind up sucking manufacturing and jobs out of the country. We are protecting countries whose citizens want us destroyed. We've squandered our respect across the globe, including our allies. The media can no longer be trusted. Disrespect for our flag and National Anthem has become popular. We are giving tens of billions to our enemies. 1 out of 5 families in the USA have not a single member gainfully employed. We are allowing politicians to promise more freebies, like healthcare and college education. The only place where you find "American Exceptionalism" with any regularity is in our soldiers, and they end up getting screwed when they get back home. We are getting closer to electing a president who wants to implement a tax reform that is even more burdensome and set to decimate family farms through legalized confiscatory taxation. It all makes me very sad, not so much for myself, but because I'm convinced our apathy and complacency will turn America into a corrupt socialist utopia for my kids and grandkids. It's just very very sad. You must have lots of trouble getting asleep at night. A little optimism would go a long way with that problem. Now that we are not fighting Bush's wars on two fronts we will get out of debt, it will just take time. We will not get out of debt if Trump's tax cuts go through.
You know what Vickie? That is one of the more correct statements I've ever seen you make. Yes, as a matter of fact, I do have trouble getting to sleep at night, and I wish more people shared my same concerns. What I find conspicuous is that you didn't dispute a single remark I made in that post. All you did was come up with the same tired rhetoric that everything is Bush's fault. The truth of the matter is that, right or wrong, both of those wars entirely bi-partisan. Democrats who had access to the same information enthusiastically supported both wars......including Hillary. So.....where was I wrong in that post?
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Has anyone else seen the latest forecast for the deficit? Vickie says "it will take time". Yeah, right. Lot's of time.....like infinity. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | It's not just one person or a few people who are to blame. The system is failing top to bottom. The lying, corruption, greed, self-preservation, apathy, and passivity is rampant, not just within our government, but throughout society. | |
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| Bear - 2016-10-18 10:19 AM
It's not just one person or a few people who are to blame. The system is failing top to bottom. The lying, corruption, greed, self-preservation, apathy, and passivity is rampant, not just within our government, but throughout society.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | TXBO - 2016-10-18 10:51 AM Vickie - 2016-10-18 9:42 AM . Now that we are not fighting Bush's wars on two fronts we will get out of debt, it will just take time. ......
Now we are fighting ISIS all over the globe.
When you don't have a foreign policy that matches your best interests or the best interests of your allies this is what you get.
Remember the whole "No blood for oil" well sure blood for oil. That makes sense. Blood for establishment of a pro-western democracy is what's stupid. | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Reester - 2016-10-18 10:30 AM Bear - 2016-10-18 10:19 AM It's not just one person or a few people who are to blame. The system is failing top to bottom. The lying, corruption, greed, self-preservation, apathy, and passivity is rampant, not just within our government, but throughout society. You are not alone Bear, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
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Location: Kansas | Dearborn, Michigan is 50% Muslim now. They come first to Canada then across the border to our cities. This morning I saw a picture of a billboard mocking Trump in Arabic from the Muslim citizens of Dearborn. The architecture of their buildings, as far as what I've seen, is Arabic. They want Sharia law. If anyone finds this disturbing now, just wait until Hillary welcomes tens of thousands of Syrian refugees into the U.S. They do not assimilate.
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Bear - 2016-10-18 10:19 AM We need a re-set. The bubble is set to burst. Our Constitution is about to be disassembled and revised. Our freedoms will be surrendered. Total tax reform is needed desperately. Social Security is set to collapse. Medicare is set to collapse. Healthcare is an absolute shambles, top to bottom. Our National Debt is totally out of control. Corruption is rampant. Borders don't exist. Laws mean nothing. "With Liberty and Justice for all" is a lie, designated to the ash heap of history. Our trade policies wind up sucking manufacturing and jobs out of the country. We are protecting countries whose citizens want us destroyed. We've squandered our respect across the globe, including our allies. The media can no longer be trusted. Disrespect for our flag and National Anthem has become popular. We are giving tens of billions to our enemies. 1 out of 5 families in the USA have not a single member gainfully employed. We are allowing politicians to promise more freebies, like healthcare and college education. The only place where you find "American Exceptionalism" with any regularity is in our soldiers, and they end up getting screwed when they get back home. We are getting closer to electing a president who wants to implement a tax reform that is even more burdensome and set to decimate family farms through legalized confiscatory taxation. It all makes me very sad, not so much for myself, but because I'm convinced our apathy and complacency will turn America into a corrupt socialist utopia for my kids and grandkids. It's just very very sad.
You must have lots of trouble getting asleep at night. A little optimism would go a long way with that problem. Now that we are not fighting Bush's wars on two fronts we will get out of debt, it will just take time. We will not get out of debt if Trump's tax cuts go through.
Actually, I think that Bear used to be, in years past, more optimistic about the country than he is currently.
It's been 8 years since Bush was in office. How long until you give Obama credit for the current situation? I think that digging into history might do you some good.
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Location: Where I am happiest | Just what we thought. http://conservativetribune.com/fbi-docs-confirm-shadow-govt/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=RaisingRed | |
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Location: Florida | streakysox - 2016-10-18 1:19 PM I would say that the democrats have set the blacks back about 100 years. Wasn't the civil rights movement meant to have schools with basically equal populations of blacks and whites? Today all of our elementary schools in this area are "neighborhood" schools with populations from the surrounding neighborhood. This means that if the area is populated by blacks the school population is black. This results in low performing schools. Exactly, what the democrats want. How can you control a group of people better than those on government assistance. Just my personal opinion, but I prefer not to support folks who have no desire to work.
Actually the charter school movement is much more responsible for segregating our schools and it is a right wing, money grabbing scheme. Charter schools may be required to take any student, but if your kid is not up to their standards they will find a way to kick them out. Low performing, handicapped, emotionally scarred, all the "undesirables" are expelled from many charter schools. I am not saying all, there are some who work very hard to help underpriviliged students. But, the majority exist to make money and don't want to waste resources on anything but the best students. Parents love them because they don't have to trouble-makers. But the result is segregration. | |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Vickie - 2016-10-18 2:30 PM streakysox - 2016-10-18 1:19 PM I would say that the democrats have set the blacks back about 100 years. Wasn't the civil rights movement meant to have schools with basically equal populations of blacks and whites? Today all of our elementary schools in this area are "neighborhood" schools with populations from the surrounding neighborhood. This means that if the area is populated by blacks the school population is black. This results in low performing schools. Exactly, what the democrats want. How can you control a group of people better than those on government assistance. Just my personal opinion, but I prefer not to support folks who have no desire to work. Actually the charter school movement is much more responsible for segregating our schools and it is a right wing, money grabbing scheme. Charter schools may be required to take any student, but if your kid is not up to their standards they will find a way to kick them out. Low performing, handicapped, emotionally scarred, all the "undesirables" are expelled from many charter schools. I am not saying all, there are some who work very hard to help underpriviliged students. But, the majority exist to make money and don't want to waste resources on anything but the best students. Parents love them because they don't have to trouble-makers. But the result is segregration.
I'm sure you would much rather have standards dumbed down so that everyone could succeed instead of allowing the truly gifted ones to excell.
Very liberal of you.
The very notion that everyone in this world is entitled to anything other than an oportunity fly's in the face of why this country is.
That's not an attack on you personally, so don't start digging up left slanted research to show how segragation is the devil.
It's simply an indictment of your ideology.
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| streakysox - 2016-10-18 12:19 PM
I would say that the democrats have set the blacks back about 100 years. Wasn't the civil rights movement meant to have schools with basically equal populations of blacks and whites? Today all of our elementary schools in this area are "neighborhood" schools with populations from the surrounding neighborhood. This means that if the area is populated by blacks the school population is black. This results in low performing schools. Exactly, what the democrats want. How can you control a group of people better than those on government assistance. Just my personal opinion, but I prefer not to support folks who have no desire to work.
Wow. Let's just ignore the racism in your post for a moment. A major reason why many black schools do not perform well is because they get the shaft on funding. Not because they are populated with mostly black children. Now one could argue that they get unfairly funded because they are predominantly black school in poor neighborhoods, but then we would need to address the issue of institutionalized racism and I doubt you think institutionalized racism is a real thing. Those blacks are probably just really really lazy.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | SloRide - 2016-10-18 2:39 PM streakysox - 2016-10-18 12:19 PM I would say that the democrats have set the blacks back about 100 years. Wasn't the civil rights movement meant to have schools with basically equal populations of blacks and whites? Today all of our elementary schools in this area are "neighborhood" schools with populations from the surrounding neighborhood. This means that if the area is populated by blacks the school population is black. This results in low performing schools. Exactly, what the democrats want. How can you control a group of people better than those on government assistance. Just my personal opinion, but I prefer not to support folks who have no desire to work. Wow. Let's just ignore the racism in your post for a moment. A major reason why many black schools do not perform well is because they get the shaft on funding. Not because they are populated with mostly black children. Now one could argue that they get unfairly funded because they are predominantly black school in poor neighborhoods, but then we would need to address the issue of institutionalized racism and I doubt you think institutionalized racism is a real thing. Those blacks are probably just really really lazy.
Bullsh, if any thing is crystal clear from the last 30 years of Federal meddling in public schools is that you can not spend your way to successful students.
Inner city schools and school childeren fail because of two things, the break down of the nuclear family and apathy.
That's it.. Some of the best and brightest minds in this countries history have come from schools that did not spend a lot of money on anything except learning.
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| 1DSoon - 2016-10-18 1:49 PM SloRide - 2016-10-18 2:39 PM streakysox - 2016-10-18 12:19 PM I would say that the democrats have set the blacks back about 100 years. Wasn't the civil rights movement meant to have schools with basically equal populations of blacks and whites? Today all of our elementary schools in this area are "neighborhood" schools with populations from the surrounding neighborhood. This means that if the area is populated by blacks the school population is black. This results in low performing schools. Exactly, what the democrats want. How can you control a group of people better than those on government assistance. Just my personal opinion, but I prefer not to support folks who have no desire to work. Wow. Let's just ignore the racism in your post for a moment. A major reason why many black schools do not perform well is because they get the shaft on funding. Not because they are populated with mostly black children. Now one could argue that they get unfairly funded because they are predominantly black school in poor neighborhoods, but then we would need to address the issue of institutionalized racism and I doubt you think institutionalized racism is a real thing. Those blacks are probably just really really lazy.
Inner city schools and school childeren fail because of two things, the break down of the nuclear family and apathy.
That's it.. Some of the best and brightest minds in this countries history have come from schools that did not spend a lot of money on anything except learning.
The Dept of Ed is a FAILURE
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| 1DSoon - 2016-10-18 1:49 PM
SloRide - 2016-10-18 2:39 PM streakysox - 2016-10-18 12:19 PM I would say that the democrats have set the blacks back about 100 years. Wasn't the civil rights movement meant to have schools with basically equal populations of blacks and whites? Today all of our elementary schools in this area are "neighborhood" schools with populations from the surrounding neighborhood. This means that if the area is populated by blacks the school population is black. This results in low performing schools. Exactly, what the democrats want. How can you control a group of people better than those on government assistance. Just my personal opinion, but I prefer not to support folks who have no desire to work. Wow. Let's just ignore the racism in your post for a moment. A major reason why many black schools do not perform well is because they get the shaft on funding. Not because they are populated with mostly black children. Now one could argue that they get unfairly funded because they are predominantly black school in poor neighborhoods, but then we would need to address the issue of institutionalized racism and I doubt you think institutionalized racism is a real thing. Those blacks are probably just really really lazy.
Inner city schools and school childeren fail because of two things, the break down of the nuclear family and apathy.
That's it.. Some of the best and brightest minds in this countries history have come from schools that did not spend a lot of money on anything except learning.
The Dept of Ed is a FAILURE
It's is very difficult on families that live in poverty so yes, I agree that broken homes are an issue for the poor. But you know what helps people out of Poverty? A good education and good paying jobs.
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| SloRide - 2016-10-18 2:04 PM 1DSoon - 2016-10-18 1:49 PM SloRide - 2016-10-18 2:39 PM streakysox - 2016-10-18 12:19 PM I would say that the democrats have set the blacks back about 100 years. Wasn't the civil rights movement meant to have schools with basically equal populations of blacks and whites? Today all of our elementary schools in this area are "neighborhood" schools with populations from the surrounding neighborhood. This means that if the area is populated by blacks the school population is black. This results in low performing schools. Exactly, what the democrats want. How can you control a group of people better than those on government assistance. Just my personal opinion, but I prefer not to support folks who have no desire to work. Wow. Let's just ignore the racism in your post for a moment. A major reason why many black schools do not perform well is because they get the shaft on funding. Not because they are populated with mostly black children. Now one could argue that they get unfairly funded because they are predominantly black school in poor neighborhoods, but then we would need to address the issue of institutionalized racism and I doubt you think institutionalized racism is a real thing. Those blacks are probably just really really lazy.
Inner city schools and school childeren fail because of two things, the break down of the nuclear family and apathy.
That's it.. Some of the best and brightest minds in this countries history have come from schools that did not spend a lot of money on anything except learning.
The Dept of Ed is a FAILURE It's is very difficult on families that live in poverty so yes, I agree that broken homes are an issue for the poor. But you know what helps people out of Poverty? A good education and good paying jobs.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | TXBO - 2016-10-18 3:16 PM SloRide - 2016-10-18 2:04 PM 1DSoon - 2016-10-18 1:49 PM SloRide - 2016-10-18 2:39 PM streakysox - 2016-10-18 12:19 PM I would say that the democrats have set the blacks back about 100 years. Wasn't the civil rights movement meant to have schools with basically equal populations of blacks and whites? Today all of our elementary schools in this area are "neighborhood" schools with populations from the surrounding neighborhood. This means that if the area is populated by blacks the school population is black. This results in low performing schools. Exactly, what the democrats want. How can you control a group of people better than those on government assistance. Just my personal opinion, but I prefer not to support folks who have no desire to work. Wow. Let's just ignore the racism in your post for a moment. A major reason why many black schools do not perform well is because they get the shaft on funding. Not because they are populated with mostly black children. Now one could argue that they get unfairly funded because they are predominantly black school in poor neighborhoods, but then we would need to address the issue of institutionalized racism and I doubt you think institutionalized racism is a real thing. Those blacks are probably just really really lazy.
Inner city schools and school childeren fail because of two things, the break down of the nuclear family and apathy.
That's it.. Some of the best and brightest minds in this countries history have come from schools that did not spend a lot of money on anything except learning.
The Dept of Ed is a FAILURE It's is very difficult on families that live in poverty so yes, I agree that broken homes are an issue for the poor. But you know what helps people out of Poverty? A good education and good paying jobs.
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| I taught in a Charter School. They get their funding like other public schools or at least in Texas, as they are a separate school district, each having their own superintendent and school. We got the kids that had been kicked out of the high school for discipline problems. Why is saying that neighborhood schools are low performing or that democrat have the blacks where they want them is racist? I teach in a high school that is equally divided Hispanic, Black, and white. My black teacher friends feel the same way that I do about the black kids having to attend low performing schools when most of them attended schools that were completely integrated. I think the point I was making was that the democrats have set them back to a place before they were integrated. This is fact not opinion. All schools in Texas are rated according to test scores, attendance, graduation rate and several other factors. My job is to get the graduation percentage up. I don't care if they kid is green, if they get in my room they work and they understand that. If the breakdown of the family and apathy are the ruination of education then all schools are doomed. I have many girls who are single parents, they they are happy that our school district who is has a program where they can finish. If I have a student who in not working, a quick call to a parent usually gets them in gear. So there went the apathy theory. I do think that today's education is failing some students because we are to make brain surgeons out of everyone. I will say this, our new superintendent is trying to incorporate some vocational classes for kids in the early grad program. At least they can take something that interests them they will be better prepared to support themselves.
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| 1DSoon - 2016-10-18 2:57 PM TXBO - 2016-10-18 3:16 PM SloRide - 2016-10-18 2:04 PM 1DSoon - 2016-10-18 1:49 PM SloRide - 2016-10-18 2:39 PM streakysox - 2016-10-18 12:19 PM I would say that the democrats have set the blacks back about 100 years. Wasn't the civil rights movement meant to have schools with basically equal populations of blacks and whites? Today all of our elementary schools in this area are "neighborhood" schools with populations from the surrounding neighborhood. This means that if the area is populated by blacks the school population is black. This results in low performing schools. Exactly, what the democrats want. How can you control a group of people better than those on government assistance. Just my personal opinion, but I prefer not to support folks who have no desire to work. Wow. Let's just ignore the racism in your post for a moment. A major reason why many black schools do not perform well is because they get the shaft on funding. Not because they are populated with mostly black children. Now one could argue that they get unfairly funded because they are predominantly black school in poor neighborhoods, but then we would need to address the issue of institutionalized racism and I doubt you think institutionalized racism is a real thing. Those blacks are probably just really really lazy.
Inner city schools and school childeren fail because of two things, the break down of the nuclear family and apathy.
That's it.. Some of the best and brightest minds in this countries history have come from schools that did not spend a lot of money on anything except learning.
The Dept of Ed is a FAILURE It's is very difficult on families that live in poverty so yes, I agree that broken homes are an issue for the poor. But you know what helps people out of Poverty? A good education and good paying jobs.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | 1DSoon - 2016-10-18 1:49 PM
SloRide - 2016-10-18 2:39 PM streakysox - 2016-10-18 12:19 PM I would say that the democrats have set the blacks back about 100 years. Wasn't the civil rights movement meant to have schools with basically equal populations of blacks and whites? Today all of our elementary schools in this area are "neighborhood" schools with populations from the surrounding neighborhood. This means that if the area is populated by blacks the school population is black. This results in low performing schools. Exactly, what the democrats want. How can you control a group of people better than those on government assistance. Just my personal opinion, but I prefer not to support folks who have no desire to work. Wow. Let's just ignore the racism in your post for a moment. A major reason why many black schools do not perform well is because they get the shaft on funding. Not because they are populated with mostly black children. Now one could argue that they get unfairly funded because they are predominantly black school in poor neighborhoods, but then we would need to address the issue of institutionalized racism and I doubt you think institutionalized racism is a real thing. Those blacks are probably just really really lazy.
Inner city schools and school childeren fail because of two things, the break down of the nuclear family and apathy.
That's it.. Some of the best and brightest minds in this countries history have come from schools that did not spend a lot of money on anything except learning.
The Dept of Ed is a FAILURE
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| SloRide - 2016-10-18 2:04 PM
1DSoon - 2016-10-18 1:49 PM
SloRide - 2016-10-18 2:39 PM streakysox - 2016-10-18 12:19 PM I would say that the democrats have set the blacks back about 100 years. Wasn't the civil rights movement meant to have schools with basically equal populations of blacks and whites? Today all of our elementary schools in this area are "neighborhood" schools with populations from the surrounding neighborhood. This means that if the area is populated by blacks the school population is black. This results in low performing schools. Exactly, what the democrats want. How can you control a group of people better than those on government assistance. Just my personal opinion, but I prefer not to support folks who have no desire to work. Wow. Let's just ignore the racism in your post for a moment. A major reason why many black schools do not perform well is because they get the shaft on funding. Not because they are populated with mostly black children. Now one could argue that they get unfairly funded because they are predominantly black school in poor neighborhoods, but then we would need to address the issue of institutionalized racism and I doubt you think institutionalized racism is a real thing. Those blacks are probably just really really lazy.
Inner city schools and school childeren fail because of two things, the break down of the nuclear family and apathy.
That's it.. Some of the best and brightest minds in this countries history have come from schools that did not spend a lot of money on anything except learning.
The Dept of Ed is a FAILURE
It's is very difficult on families that live in poverty so yes, I agree that broken homes are an issue for the poor. But you know what helps people out of Poverty? A good education and good paying jobs.
That is true, but the child and his parents must value education, discipline, and hard work. If they don't all is lost. You can't make people learn if they don't want to make the effort. That was my mom's experience teaching in an almost 100% Hispanic school. The town of 12,000 is 95% Mexican-American with some blacks and even fewer whites mixed in. | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | No, I'm not at all optimistic about the future of this country. What we are seeing was foretold 200 years ago. The only way a politician can get elected is to promise cradle-to-grave freebies off the back of an endangered subclass of Americans.....people who work hard, take risks, and succeed. The only way a politician can get RE-elected is to build on the promises of more freebies.....free healthcare, free food, free money, free education. We were told this would lead to the collapse of this "great experiment".
Flawed though he may be, I find it amazing that it took a non-politician like Trump to come in like a wrecking ball and shine the light of truth on things that we have been programmed to ignore. He has repeatedly made seemingly outrageous remarks on a variety of topics, and people quickly realized he was right, more often than not.
He's been declaring the system is rigged and people initially thought that was just sour grapes. Now we are just beginning to see hard core proof of a corrupt, rigged system, top to bottom. | |
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| Vickie - 2016-10-18 1:30 PM streakysox - 2016-10-18 1:19 PM I would say that the democrats have set the blacks back about 100 years. Wasn't the civil rights movement meant to have schools with basically equal populations of blacks and whites? Today all of our elementary schools in this area are "neighborhood" schools with populations from the surrounding neighborhood. This means that if the area is populated by blacks the school population is black. This results in low performing schools. Exactly, what the democrats want. How can you control a group of people better than those on government assistance. Just my personal opinion, but I prefer not to support folks who have no desire to work. Actually the charter school movement is much more responsible for segregating our schools and it is a right wing, money grabbing scheme. Charter schools may be required to take any student, but if your kid is not up to their standards they will find a way to kick them out. Low performing, handicapped, emotionally scarred, all the "undesirables" are expelled from many charter schools. I am not saying all, there are some who work very hard to help underpriviliged students. But, the majority exist to make money and don't want to waste resources on anything but the best students. Parents love them because they don't have to trouble-makers. But the result is segregration.
Spoken like a true blue union member, " a right wing money grabbing scheme". Anything that takes money from the unions has to be bad, the same unions who put the needs of children secondary to the teachers. | |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | CrossDRanch - 2016-10-16 2:49 PM
You guys comparing the D system to liberal hands outs are confused. That is like saying there should be no little league, youth league, HS ball, rec. leagues, etc.....everyone should just play in the MLB. A better comparison would be that I sign up to race, but I do not pay an entry fee. Heck, I don't even run a horse, but I expect a payout for sitting in the stands eating nachos and popcorn (which I put on your bill, BTW).
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Location: High heels in the air... | Blanket statements... people are on welfare currently not because they want to be. The values of our society has declined since the MTV years. Shut off the cable, kick the useless sex tape celebrities out of the country, dump the electronics..bet everyone knows Kim Kardashian but can't name one congressman...your kid has an I phone but can't do his homework without google...we are poorly educated as a country when compared with the rest of the world. Most youth lack the discipline and the patience to reach beyond their means. Inner city youth have Even less opportunity due to demographics and preconceived notions handed down by a parent, teacher, someone, anyone. Its the ME society. We are a helpless, helpful country...our government is set up for failure so they can sit back and run business as usual while we lemmings blame everyone but ourselves for personal failure...
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | SloRide - 2016-10-18 2:04 PM 1DSoon - 2016-10-18 1:49 PM SloRide - 2016-10-18 2:39 PM streakysox - 2016-10-18 12:19 PM I would say that the democrats have set the blacks back about 100 years. Wasn't the civil rights movement meant to have schools with basically equal populations of blacks and whites? Today all of our elementary schools in this area are "neighborhood" schools with populations from the surrounding neighborhood. This means that if the area is populated by blacks the school population is black. This results in low performing schools. Exactly, what the democrats want. How can you control a group of people better than those on government assistance. Just my personal opinion, but I prefer not to support folks who have no desire to work. Wow. Let's just ignore the racism in your post for a moment. A major reason why many black schools do not perform well is because they get the shaft on funding. Not because they are populated with mostly black children. Now one could argue that they get unfairly funded because they are predominantly black school in poor neighborhoods, but then we would need to address the issue of institutionalized racism and I doubt you think institutionalized racism is a real thing. Those blacks are probably just really really lazy.
Inner city schools and school childeren fail because of two things, the break down of the nuclear family and apathy.
That's it.. Some of the best and brightest minds in this countries history have come from schools that did not spend a lot of money on anything except learning.
The Dept of Ed is a FAILURE It's is very difficult on families that live in poverty so yes, I agree that broken homes are an issue for the poor. But you know what helps people out of Poverty? A good education and good paying jobs.
Many of the inner city kids don't want an education or a real job. They want to be like their brothers and sisters. Be in a gang, sell dope and be cool. It is what it is. I don't think chaining a kid to his desk will work real well. The answer for libs is to throw money at it instead of fixing the problem. Chicago is a great example of this. | |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | CowboyUp!!! - 2016-10-18 7:02 PM Blanket statements... people are on welfare currently not because they want to be. The values of our society has declined since the MTV years. Shut off the cable, kick the useless sex tape celebrities out of the country, dump the electronics..bet everyone knows Kim Kardashian but can't name one congressman...your kid has an I phone but can't do his homework without google...we are poorly educated as a country when compared with the rest of the world. Most youth lack the discipline and the patience to reach beyond their means. Inner city youth have Even less opportunity due to demographics and preconceived notions handed down by a parent, teacher, someone, anyone. Its the ME society. We are a helpless, helpful country...our government is set up for failure so they can sit back and run business as usual while we lemmings blame everyone but ourselves for personal failure...
almost all of that is spot on. Except for the part about wanting to be on the programs.
Yes they want to be.
But you want to know how to fix all of these problems? Stop feeding them, stop sheltering them, stop medicating them.
Hunger is inspirational. I know, i've been hungry. I"ve been the kid at school that had a measly little sack lunch because that's all we could afford. I've been the kid that had one pair of jeans and 3 shirts to make it thru a week of school.
You know what I did? I decided that **** was for the birds and I worked harder than everyone else and made something of myself so that me and my kids didn't live the life that I lived.
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Location: Dubach, LA | Vickie - 2016-10-18 1:30 PActually the charter school movement is much more responsible for segregating our schools and it is a right wing, money grabbing scheme. Charter schools may be required to take any student, but if your kid is not up to their standards they will find a way to kick them out. Low performing, handicapped, emotionally scarred, all the "undesirables" are expelled from many charter schools. I am not saying all, there are some who work very hard to help underpriviliged students. But, the majority exist to make money and don't want to waste resources on anything but the best students. Parents love them because they don't have to trouble-makers. But the result is segregration.
The only charter schools in Monroe City and Lincoln Parish are black. Chartered by, administered by, and attended by African Americans. One is performing arts and one is a basketball farm. | |
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Location: Dubach, LA | SloRide - 2016-10-18 1:39 PM
Wow. Let's just ignore the racism in your post for a moment. A major reason why many black schools do not perform well is because they get the shaft on funding. Not because they are populated with mostly black children. Now one could argue that they get unfairly funded because they are predominantly black school in poor neighborhoods, but then we would need to address the issue of institutionalized racism and I doubt you think institutionalized racism is a real thing. Those blacks are probably just really really lazy.
I am a white teacher at a black school. We have plenty of money. Each teacher begins the year with $400 to buy consumables. We all have SmartBoards. Laptops for each student in the classroom. We tutor after school. We offer summer programs. We are an "F" school according to our standardized test scores. It's not a lack of financial support or effort. We have to send them home. That's the problem. | |
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| 1DSoon - 2016-10-18 6:26 PM CowboyUp!!! - 2016-10-18 7:02 PM Blanket statements... people are on welfare currently not because they want to be. The values of our society has declined since the MTV years. Shut off the cable, kick the useless sex tape celebrities out of the country, dump the electronics..bet everyone knows Kim Kardashian but can't name one congressman...your kid has an I phone but can't do his homework without google...we are poorly educated as a country when compared with the rest of the world. Most youth lack the discipline and the patience to reach beyond their means. Inner city youth have Even less opportunity due to demographics and preconceived notions handed down by a parent, teacher, someone, anyone. Its the ME society. We are a helpless, helpful country...our government is set up for failure so they can sit back and run business as usual while we lemmings blame everyone but ourselves for personal failure... almost all of that is spot on. Except for the part about wanting to be on the programs.
Yes they want to be.
But you want to know how to fix all of these problems? Stop feeding them, stop sheltering them, stop medicating them.
Hunger is inspirational. I know, i've been hungry. I"ve been the kid at school that had a measly little sack lunch because that's all we could afford. I've been the kid that had one pair of jeans and 3 shirts to make it thru a week of school.
You know what I did? I decided that **** was for the birds and I worked harder than everyone else and made something of myself so that me and my kids didn't live the life that I lived.
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| I have a different take its all our fault we have allowed the same represnatives and senators in office to long we should have voted them out when they don/t listen
we should insist on term limits congress welds to much bloat power they are beyond corrupt
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | TXBO - 2016-10-18 6:49 PM 1DSoon - 2016-10-18 6:26 PM CowboyUp!!! - 2016-10-18 7:02 PM Blanket statements... people are on welfare currently not because they want to be. The values of our society has declined since the MTV years. Shut off the cable, kick the useless sex tape celebrities out of the country, dump the electronics..bet everyone knows Kim Kardashian but can't name one congressman...your kid has an I phone but can't do his homework without google...we are poorly educated as a country when compared with the rest of the world. Most youth lack the discipline and the patience to reach beyond their means. Inner city youth have Even less opportunity due to demographics and preconceived notions handed down by a parent, teacher, someone, anyone. Its the ME society. We are a helpless, helpful country...our government is set up for failure so they can sit back and run business as usual while we lemmings blame everyone but ourselves for personal failure... almost all of that is spot on. Except for the part about wanting to be on the programs.
Yes they want to be.
But you want to know how to fix all of these problems? Stop feeding them, stop sheltering them, stop medicating them.
Hunger is inspirational. I know, i've been hungry. I"ve been the kid at school that had a measly little sack lunch because that's all we could afford. I've been the kid that had one pair of jeans and 3 shirts to make it thru a week of school.
You know what I did? I decided that **** was for the birds and I worked harder than everyone else and made something of myself so that me and my kids didn't live the life that I lived.
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| slacy09 - 2016-10-18 8:50 AM
tin can - 2016-10-17 5:34 PM Do a little research and look at the mess we were in the banks ford, Chrysler Chevrolet. The stock market is up compared to 2007 he isn't perfect but he did do some things that helped us from being in a worse recession than what we were in, no die hard republican will ever see it so I'm wasting my energy lol.
Have you seen the national debt lately?? Someone refresh my memory....how much has it gone up under Obaama????
Yes let's take a look at say wells Fargo, corrupt. Buick which OUR tax dollars bailed out now completely 100% produce their vehicles IN MEXICO! Let's also look at Obozocare which is currently imploding save for another government prop. Texas residents who buy individual policy are seeing upwards of $1000 INCREASE PER MONTH in addition to their 6000+ deductible. Obummer has been AWESOME.
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Location: High heels in the air... | I tutor in my spare time...the cost of child care increases the drop out rate as older children care for their siblings while the parent works. The welfare system is definitely broken...The ones that comes to me have a dream, black, white, Mexican...they want a better life...
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | CowboyUp!!! - 2016-10-18 9:42 PM
I tutor in my spare time...the cost of child care increases the drop out rate as older children care for their siblings while the parent works. The welfare system is definitely broken...The ones that comes to me have a dream, black, white, Mexican...they want a better life...
That's nice. They want a better life.
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | ThreeCorners - 2016-10-18 8:25 PM Trump is going after term limits if he gets elected! He wants 6 years for the house, and 12 years for the senate. It's past due time!!
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Location: Kansas | If anybody missed the videos last night on Hannity......the real thing. It showed teams hired by the DNC to hire protesters to cause mayhem at Trump rallies. We've all seen that. They even purposely chose violent mentally ill. Clinton Foundation and donor money at work.
Also shown were teams hired by the DNC (Hillary) to bring illegals to the voting booth on a major scale. Something we all know helped put Obama in the WH.
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Location: Feeding mosquitos, FL | streakysox - 2016-10-18 5:06 PM I taught in a Charter School. They get their funding like other public schools or at least in Texas, as they are a separate school district, each having their own superintendent and school. We got the kids that had been kicked out of the high school for discipline problems. Why is saying that neighborhood schools are low performing or that democrat have the blacks where they want them is racist? I teach in a high school that is equally divided Hispanic, Black, and white. My black teacher friends feel the same way that I do about the black kids having to attend low performing schools when most of them attended schools that were completely integrated. I think the point I was making was that the democrats have set them back to a place before they were integrated. This is fact not opinion. All schools in Texas are rated according to test scores, attendance, graduation rate and several other factors. My job is to get the graduation percentage up. I don't care if they kid is green, if they get in my room they work and they understand that. If the breakdown of the family and apathy are the ruination of education then all schools are doomed. I have many girls who are single parents, they they are happy that our school district who is has a program where they can finish. If I have a student who in not working, a quick call to a parent usually gets them in gear. So there went the apathy theory. I do think that today's education is failing some students because we are to make brain surgeons out of everyone. I will say this, our new superintendent is trying to incorporate some vocational classes for kids in the early grad program. At least they can take something that interests them they will be better prepared to support themselves.
I don't give a tinker's **** about most of this thread but I am SO GLAD to hear that a school district somewhere is bringing back vocational classes. It is so hard to find somebody to hire with any kind of blue collar skills. You'd think in a medium-sized city surrounded by farm country we could find somebody who knows one end of a screwdriver from another.
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Location: OH | Nevertooold - 2016-10-18 11:32 PM ThreeCorners - 2016-10-18 8:25 PM Trump is going after term limits if he gets elected! He wants 6 years for the house, and 12 years for the senate. It's past due time!! I agree with term limits but the Congress is never going to vote themselves out of a job.
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | Mighty Broke - 2016-10-19 7:50 AM Nevertooold - 2016-10-18 11:32 PM ThreeCorners - 2016-10-18 8:25 PM Trump is going after term limits if he gets elected! He wants 6 years for the house, and 12 years for the senate. It's past due time!! I agree with term limits but the Congress is never going to vote themselves out of a job.
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| Bear - 2016-10-19 9:12 AM
This is what will ultimately doom us.
It's Biblical, Bear.
1 Samuel 8:19-20
19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. “No!” they said. “We want a king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles.”
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Location: TEXAS | TXBO - 2016-10-18 9:51 AM Vickie - 2016-10-18 9:42 AM . Now that we are not fighting Bush's wars on two fronts we will get out of debt, it will just take time. ......
Now we are fighting ISIS all over the globe.
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Location: TEXAS | ThreeCorners - 2016-10-18 11:35 AM Reester - 2016-10-18 10:30 AM Bear - 2016-10-18 10:19 AM It's not just one person or a few people who are to blame. The system is failing top to bottom. The lying, corruption, greed, self-preservation, apathy, and passivity is rampant, not just within our government, but throughout society. You are not alone Bear, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | So this Hillary/DNC bus in Georgia pulls to the side of the road in Georgia and brazenly dumps its raw sewage into a storm drain.
It's caught on camera.
The DNC rapid response team goes into action and issued an apology, stating it was "an HONEST MISTAKE". No, it wasn't honest....they just got caught. No, it wasn't a "mistake". A "mistake" is when you fart and sneeze at the same time during a sermon in church.
This whole incident is just precious because it's so symbolic. It illustrates the hypocrisy and arrogance of this bunch of elite criminal organization. Let's see if the liberal environmental whacko lemmings express their outrage. Just like blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, LGBT's, and women, they too are merely tools for the power hungry Progressive-liberal elitists.
"A picture paints a thousand words."
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Location: Where I am happiest | Bear - 2016-10-19 9:54 AM So this Hillary/DNC bus in Georgia pulls to the side of the road in Georgia and brazenly dumps its raw sewage into a storm drain. It's caught on camera. The DNC rapid response team goes into action and issued an apology, stating it was "an HONEST MISTAKE". No, it wasn't honest....they just got caught. No, it wasn't a "mistake". A "mistake" is when you fart and sneeze at the same time during a sermon in church. This whole incident is just precious because it's so symbolic. It illustrates the hypocrisy and arrogance of this bunch of elite criminal organization. Let's see if the liberal environmental whacko lemmings express their outrage. Just like blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, LGBT's, and women, they too are merely tools for the power hungry Progressive-liberal elitists. "A picture paints a thousand words." http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/18/democratic-campaign-bus-dumps-...
They wont. They will ignore it just like they ignore everything else truthful. | |
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Location: Florida | slacy09 - 2016-10-19 10:36 AM ThreeCorners - 2016-10-18 11:35 AM Reester - 2016-10-18 10:30 AM Bear - 2016-10-18 10:19 AM It's not just one person or a few people who are to blame. The system is failing top to bottom. The lying, corruption, greed, self-preservation, apathy, and passivity is rampant, not just within our government, but throughout society. You are not alone Bear, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Fair enough. As long as we are at it, how many guns did Obama take away? My turn to say I told you so. | |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Bear with me:
A few problems I see with today's generation: The government controls what our schools teach. We have high school seniors who can recite Pathogoreans Theorem, but can't iron, balance a check book, or calculate interest on a loan. They don't realize that the $16,000 car they just financed with 20% interest will end up costing over $30,000 by the end of the loan. And they wonder why they can't trade it in when the 36,000 mile warranty goes out and their car dies. (Note to all buy a hyundai if you buy a new car. 10 yr 100k warranty LOL)
I see friends who are working moms, who have husbands that make at least $15-$17 an hour here in TX who have cried repeatedly while trying to hide their food card at the grocery store. It kills them to be on welfare. But they literally cannot afford food for their family. The father's checks can't pay the bills and the mother's entire paycheck pays for the kids to be in daycare while she works a mediocre job trying to help out. Why? Because no one ever taught them to budget, to plan ahead, to not buy the $60,000 vehicle on 20% interest. To save and buy the pick up for $3500 because it would work just fine. Sure, new vehicles have less maintenece... In the beginning. Once that warranty goes out tho, they have a truck payment and repair bills. No one every taught them to invest in their future with a saving's account. No one ever taught them to do any of that. So when the oilfield crashed, they crashed too.
The bigger picture here is people are uneducated. Our schools have failed our society. Our parents have failed their children. To me, it isn't solely the school's responsibility to teach your child. Sure, they may need to know algebra and spelling. That's basic. When was the last time you sat down with your children and taught them how their government worked? When's the last time you attended a town hall meeting as a family? When did you sit down as a family and explain that your child's vote as an adult in an election as little as a county election could influence and snowball effect something as large as a presidential nomination? Does your child know the branches of government? Can they explain in detail the job of each branch? Can they tell you term limits and view points of all the government officials we have appointed? All these people wanting to blame our schools and our government for the pickle we are in don't realize that it is their responsibility as a parent to teach their children about LIFE. Instead they blame others. If you see gaps in your children's education, fill them. Don't complain about them. Home is a school too. Children learn a lot more from you than you'd like to believe.
My parents were not perfect and I realize that most adults can't even do what is written above. Don't be lazy. Invest in your children. Invest in your family. Invest in your siblings, your parents, your friends. Teach the next generation!
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Location: Where I am happiest | Has any of the liberals actually thought about her policies. There are so many I just shake my head at. Lets look at her 65% death tax! Why on earth would anybody vote for that? Here is a news flash...when you vote for a candidate, you are voting for their policies!! We can sure go through them one by one. Do you really not want to inherite anything? Do you really not want your kids to inherite anything? She wants to tax 65% of the estate! Leaving you with 35% untaxed. MOST will not be able to afford that tax and the assets will have to be liquidated! Even though, that money that bought and paid for that estate, property, equipment,livestock,house,cars,everything, was ALREADY taxed and so was/is the goods! Ranches who have been in the family for generations will no longer be able to be passed down because the kids will not be able to pay the tax! So incredably wrong. | |
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| IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 9:12 AM Bear with me:
A few problems I see with today's generation: The government controls what our schools teach. We have high school senior who can receite Pathogoreans Theorem, but can't iron, balance a check book, or calculate interest on a loan. THey don't realize that the $16,000 car they just financed with 20% interest will end up costing over $30,000 by the end of the loan. And they wonder why they can't trade it in when the 36,000 mile warranty goes out and their car dies. (Note to all buy a hyundai if you buy a new car. 10 yr 100k warranty LOL)
I see friends who are working moms, who have husbands that make at least $15-$17 an hour here in TX who have cried repeatedly while trying to hide their food card at the grocery store. It kills them to be on welfare. But they literaslly cannot afford food for their family. The father's checks can't pay the bills and the mother's entire paycheck pays for the kids to be in daycare while she works a mediocre job trying to help out. Why? Because no one ever taught them to budget, to plan ahead, to not buy the $60,000 vehicle on 20% interest. To save and buy the pick up for $3500 because it would work just fine. Sure, new vehicles have less maintenece... In the beginning. Once that warranty goes out tho, they have a truck payment and repair bills. No one every taught them to invest in their future with a saving's account. No one ever taught them to do any of that. So when the oilfield crashed, they crashed too.
The bigger picture here is people are uneducated. Our schools have failed our society. Our parents have failed their children. To me, it isn't solely the school's responsibility to teach your child. Sure, they may need to know algebra and spelling. That's basic. When was the last time you sat down with your children and taught them how I government worked? When's the last time you attending a town hall meeting as a family? When did you sit down as a family and explain that your childs vote as an adult in an election as little as a county election could influence and snowball effect something as large as a presidential nomination? Does your child know the branches of government? Can they explain in detail the job of each branch? Can they tell you term limits and view points of all the government officials we have appointed? All these people wanting to blame our schools and our government for the pickle we are in don't realize that it is their responsibility as a parent to teach their children about LIFE. Instead they blame others. If you see gaps in your children's education, fill them. Don't complain about them. Home is a school too. Children learn a lot more from you than you'd like to believe.
My parents were not perfect and I realize that most adults can't even do what is written above. Don't be lazy. invest in your children. Invest in your family. Invest in your siblings, your parents, your friends. Teach the next generation!
While working in the classroom (I'm in the library now) I found that so many parents could not seem to grasp this. They looked to the school to fix the holes in their parenting/home life. | |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | Vickie - 2016-10-19 10:11 AM slacy09 - 2016-10-19 10:36 AM ThreeCorners - 2016-10-18 11:35 AM Reester - 2016-10-18 10:30 AM Bear - 2016-10-18 10:19 AM It's not just one person or a few people who are to blame. The system is failing top to bottom. The lying, corruption, greed, self-preservation, apathy, and passivity is rampant, not just within our government, but throughout society. You are not alone Bear, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Your argument is invalid. Ask a Soldier, a Marine, a Sailor, or any other armed force or service memeber your question. You may be surprised. No, he didn't take OUR guns, he took their equipments and their guns....
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| Vickie - 2016-10-19 10:11 AM slacy09 - 2016-10-19 10:36 AM ThreeCorners - 2016-10-18 11:35 AM Reester - 2016-10-18 10:30 AM Bear - 2016-10-18 10:19 AM It's not just one person or a few people who are to blame. The system is failing top to bottom. The lying, corruption, greed, self-preservation, apathy, and passivity is rampant, not just within our government, but throughout society. You are not alone Bear, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
How many would he take away if he had congressional or judicial support? | |
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Location: Where I am happiest | Vickie - 2016-10-19 10:11 AM slacy09 - 2016-10-19 10:36 AM ThreeCorners - 2016-10-18 11:35 AM Reester - 2016-10-18 10:30 AM Bear - 2016-10-18 10:19 AM It's not just one person or a few people who are to blame. The system is failing top to bottom. The lying, corruption, greed, self-preservation, apathy, and passivity is rampant, not just within our government, but throughout society. You are not alone Bear, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Dont think for one minute he hasnt tried! The supreme court held up our second ammendment! However, Hillary is going to by pass the second ammendment and she has vowed to repeal the law that prevents anybody from sueing the gun manufacturers! This will put them out of business in short order and there wont be a insurance company that will insure them because they know they will be sued! She wont have to go after the second ammendment. She'll just put them out of business and then attack the ammo. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 10:12 AM Bear with me:
A few problems I see with today's generation: The government controls what our schools teach. We have high school seniors who can recite Pathogoreans Theorem, but can't iron, balance a check book, or calculate interest on a loan. They don't realize that the $16,000 car they just financed with 20% interest will end up costing over $30,000 by the end of the loan. And they wonder why they can't trade it in when the 36,000 mile warranty goes out and their car dies. (Note to all buy a hyundai if you buy a new car. 10 yr 100k warranty LOL)
I see friends who are working moms, who have husbands that make at least $15-$17 an hour here in TX who have cried repeatedly while trying to hide their food card at the grocery store. It kills them to be on welfare. But they literally cannot afford food for their family. The father's checks can't pay the bills and the mother's entire paycheck pays for the kids to be in daycare while she works a mediocre job trying to help out. Why? Because no one ever taught them to budget, to plan ahead, to not buy the $60,000 vehicle on 20% interest. To save and buy the pick up for $3500 because it would work just fine. Sure, new vehicles have less maintenece... In the beginning. Once that warranty goes out tho, they have a truck payment and repair bills. No one every taught them to invest in their future with a saving's account. No one ever taught them to do any of that. So when the oilfield crashed, they crashed too.
The bigger picture here is people are uneducated. Our schools have failed our society. Our parents have failed their children. To me, it isn't solely the school's responsibility to teach your child. Sure, they may need to know algebra and spelling. That's basic. When was the last time you sat down with your children and taught them how their government worked? When's the last time you attended a town hall meeting as a family? When did you sit down as a family and explain that your child's vote as an adult in an election as little as a county election could influence and snowball effect something as large as a presidential nomination? Does your child know the branches of government? Can they explain in detail the job of each branch? Can they tell you term limits and view points of all the government officials we have appointed? All these people wanting to blame our schools and our government for the pickle we are in don't realize that it is their responsibility as a parent to teach their children about LIFE. Instead they blame others. If you see gaps in your children's education, fill them. Don't complain about them. Home is a school too. Children learn a lot more from you than you'd like to believe.
My parents were not perfect and I realize that most adults can't even do what is written above. Don't be lazy. Invest in your children. Invest in your family. Invest in your siblings, your parents, your friends. Teach the next generation!
I love the part where you said if you see gaps in your child's education, fill them at home. That's one reason homeschooling is getting more popular. Parents got tired of sending them to school for 7 hours a day and then having to educate them at home too because they weren't getting what they needed. And that's not a slam on teachers, that's a slam on the system that politicians have created. | |
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Location: North Texas | Vickie - 2016-10-19 10:11 AM
slacy09 - 2016-10-19 10:36 AM ThreeCorners - 2016-10-18 11:35 AM Reester - 2016-10-18 10:30 AM Bear - 2016-10-18 10:19 AM It's not just one person or a few people who are to blame. The system is failing top to bottom. The lying, corruption, greed, self-preservation, apathy, and passivity is rampant, not just within our government, but throughout society. You are not alone Bear, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
A more accurate question to You Vickie is: How many Americans Health Insurance Coverage has been effected positively by Obamacare (Affordable Care Act)? | |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Vickie - 2016-10-19 11:11 AM slacy09 - 2016-10-19 10:36 AM ThreeCorners - 2016-10-18 11:35 AM Reester - 2016-10-18 10:30 AM Bear - 2016-10-18 10:19 AM It's not just one person or a few people who are to blame. The system is failing top to bottom. The lying, corruption, greed, self-preservation, apathy, and passivity is rampant, not just within our government, but throughout society. You are not alone Bear, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
how so?
They tried every blasted thing that they could, up to and including ammo supply manipulation.
The only reason he didn't get them was because of a GOP lead congress.
Not sure if that counts as a "gotcha"
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 11:12 AM Bear with me:
A few problems I see with today's generation: The government controls what our schools teach. We have high school seniors who can recite Pathogoreans Theorem, but can't iron, balance a check book, or calculate interest on a loan. They don't realize that the $16,000 car they just financed with 20% interest will end up costing over $30,000 by the end of the loan. And they wonder why they can't trade it in when the 36,000 mile warranty goes out and their car dies. (Note to all buy a hyundai if you buy a new car. 10 yr 100k warranty LOL)
I see friends who are working moms, who have husbands that make at least $15-$17 an hour here in TX who have cried repeatedly while trying to hide their food card at the grocery store. It kills them to be on welfare. But they literally cannot afford food for their family. The father's checks can't pay the bills and the mother's entire paycheck pays for the kids to be in daycare while she works a mediocre job trying to help out. Why? Because no one ever taught them to budget, to plan ahead, to not buy the $60,000 vehicle on 20% interest. To save and buy the pick up for $3500 because it would work just fine. Sure, new vehicles have less maintenece... In the beginning. Once that warranty goes out tho, they have a truck payment and repair bills. No one every taught them to invest in their future with a saving's account. No one ever taught them to do any of that. So when the oilfield crashed, they crashed too.
The bigger picture here is people are uneducated. Our schools have failed our society. Our parents have failed their children. To me, it isn't solely the school's responsibility to teach your child. Sure, they may need to know algebra and spelling. That's basic. When was the last time you sat down with your children and taught them how their government worked? When's the last time you attended a town hall meeting as a family? When did you sit down as a family and explain that your child's vote as an adult in an election as little as a county election could influence and snowball effect something as large as a presidential nomination? Does your child know the branches of government? Can they explain in detail the job of each branch? Can they tell you term limits and view points of all the government officials we have appointed? All these people wanting to blame our schools and our government for the pickle we are in don't realize that it is their responsibility as a parent to teach their children about LIFE. Instead they blame others. If you see gaps in your children's education, fill them. Don't complain about them. Home is a school too. Children learn a lot more from you than you'd like to believe.
My parents were not perfect and I realize that most adults can't even do what is written above. Don't be lazy. Invest in your children. Invest in your family. Invest in your siblings, your parents, your friends. Teach the next generation!
I don't disagree with anything you said here.
But I have to ask. When and why does this become societies responsiblity?
THere used to be, and there should be consequences for doing dumb things. Stupid should hurt. And if the Gov. bails you out when you do dumb sheet there is no motivation to learn not to be dumb.
It's tough, harsh, calloused, I realize that. But it's also the truth.
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Location: Florida | Wow, you Trumpettes have an excuse for everything. Obama didn't take your guns, but you are sure it is just because the valiant and brave GOP stopped him. Can you ever admit you were wrong? Wait, your candidate can't, why would you. | |
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Location: In The Land of Cotton | Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-19 11:27 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 10:12 AM Bear with me:
A few problems I see with today's generation: The government controls what our schools teach. We have high school seniors who can recite Pathogoreans Theorem, but can't iron, balance a check book, or calculate interest on a loan. They don't realize that the $16,000 car they just financed with 20% interest will end up costing over $30,000 by the end of the loan. And they wonder why they can't trade it in when the 36,000 mile warranty goes out and their car dies. (Note to all buy a hyundai if you buy a new car. 10 yr 100k warranty LOL)
I see friends who are working moms, who have husbands that make at least $15-$17 an hour here in TX who have cried repeatedly while trying to hide their food card at the grocery store. It kills them to be on welfare. But they literally cannot afford food for their family. The father's checks can't pay the bills and the mother's entire paycheck pays for the kids to be in daycare while she works a mediocre job trying to help out. Why? Because no one ever taught them to budget, to plan ahead, to not buy the $60,000 vehicle on 20% interest. To save and buy the pick up for $3500 because it would work just fine. Sure, new vehicles have less maintenece... In the beginning. Once that warranty goes out tho, they have a truck payment and repair bills. No one every taught them to invest in their future with a saving's account. No one ever taught them to do any of that. So when the oilfield crashed, they crashed too.
The bigger picture here is people are uneducated. Our schools have failed our society. Our parents have failed their children. To me, it isn't solely the school's responsibility to teach your child. Sure, they may need to know algebra and spelling. That's basic. When was the last time you sat down with your children and taught them how their government worked? When's the last time you attended a town hall meeting as a family? When did you sit down as a family and explain that your child's vote as an adult in an election as little as a county election could influence and snowball effect something as large as a presidential nomination? Does your child know the branches of government? Can they explain in detail the job of each branch? Can they tell you term limits and view points of all the government officials we have appointed? All these people wanting to blame our schools and our government for the pickle we are in don't realize that it is their responsibility as a parent to teach their children about LIFE. Instead they blame others. If you see gaps in your children's education, fill them. Don't complain about them. Home is a school too. Children learn a lot more from you than you'd like to believe.
My parents were not perfect and I realize that most adults can't even do what is written above. Don't be lazy. Invest in your children. Invest in your family. Invest in your siblings, your parents, your friends. Teach the next generation! I love the part where you said if you see gaps in your child's education, fill them at home. That's one reason homeschooling is getting more popular. Parents got tired of sending them to school for 7 hours a day and then having to educate them at home too because they weren't getting what they needed. And that's not a slam on teachers, that's a slam on the system that politicians have created.
Teachers in a regular public school can't teach anymore - they have to deal with the monsters the parents at home are creating.
As far as being mentioned about hunger - yep it is a great motivator - I know for a fact and learned quite quickly I surely didn't want that as soon as I could leave home and make it on my own. I had great parents, I could never complain. We were just poor. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Vickie - 2016-10-19 10:54 AM Wow, you Trumpettes have an excuse for everything. Obama didn't take your guns, but you are sure it is just because the valiant and brave GOP stopped him. Can you ever admit you were wrong? Wait, your candidate can't, why would you.
Obama was pretty open with what he WANTED to do vs what he was able to do. Killary hasn't pulled any punches either. We all know what her intentions are because she told us, and I'm not ok with them. | |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Vickie - 2016-10-19 11:54 AM Wow, you Trumpettes have an excuse for everything. Obama didn't take your guns, but you are sure it is just because the valiant and brave GOP stopped him. Can you ever admit you were wrong? Wait, your candidate can't, why would you.
I have found is is exceptionally hard to admit you are wrong, when you are right.
The overwhelming preponderance of evidence shows that the Liberal adminstration did everything in their power to enact gun laws.
Your president has even admitted that one of his biggest regrets is not being able to enact gun laws. | |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | 1DSoon - 2016-10-19 10:44 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 11:12 AM Bear with me:
A few problems I see with today's generation: The government controls what our schools teach. We have high school seniors who can recite Pathogoreans Theorem, but can't iron, balance a check book, or calculate interest on a loan. They don't realize that the $16,000 car they just financed with 20% interest will end up costing over $30,000 by the end of the loan. And they wonder why they can't trade it in when the 36,000 mile warranty goes out and their car dies. (Note to all buy a hyundai if you buy a new car. 10 yr 100k warranty LOL)
I see friends who are working moms, who have husbands that make at least $15-$17 an hour here in TX who have cried repeatedly while trying to hide their food card at the grocery store. It kills them to be on welfare. But they literally cannot afford food for their family. The father's checks can't pay the bills and the mother's entire paycheck pays for the kids to be in daycare while she works a mediocre job trying to help out. Why? Because no one ever taught them to budget, to plan ahead, to not buy the $60,000 vehicle on 20% interest. To save and buy the pick up for $3500 because it would work just fine. Sure, new vehicles have less maintenece... In the beginning. Once that warranty goes out tho, they have a truck payment and repair bills. No one every taught them to invest in their future with a saving's account. No one ever taught them to do any of that. So when the oilfield crashed, they crashed too.
The bigger picture here is people are uneducated. Our schools have failed our society. Our parents have failed their children. To me, it isn't solely the school's responsibility to teach your child. Sure, they may need to know algebra and spelling. That's basic. When was the last time you sat down with your children and taught them how their government worked? When's the last time you attended a town hall meeting as a family? When did you sit down as a family and explain that your child's vote as an adult in an election as little as a county election could influence and snowball effect something as large as a presidential nomination? Does your child know the branches of government? Can they explain in detail the job of each branch? Can they tell you term limits and view points of all the government officials we have appointed? All these people wanting to blame our schools and our government for the pickle we are in don't realize that it is their responsibility as a parent to teach their children about LIFE. Instead they blame others. If you see gaps in your children's education, fill them. Don't complain about them. Home is a school too. Children learn a lot more from you than you'd like to believe.
My parents were not perfect and I realize that most adults can't even do what is written above. Don't be lazy. Invest in your children. Invest in your family. Invest in your siblings, your parents, your friends. Teach the next generation! I don't disagree with anything you said here.
But I have to ask. When and why does this become societies responsiblity?
THere used to be, and there should be consequences for doing dumb things. Stupid should hurt. And if the Gov. bails you out when you do dumb sheet there is no motivation to learn not to be dumb.
It's tough, harsh, calloused, I realize that. But it's also the truth.
As I stated earlier in this thread, hunger is inspirational.
If we want to fix the money problems, the welfare problems, and the debt problems, we have to fix our education at home. It starts with the parents. The parents are the forfront of education. The parents can change their children's and grand children's lives.
We also have a friend who is 25, owns his own home (no mortgage) and owns his own vehicles. He literally has no debt. His single mother showed him finances and taught him how to save every penny. He credits her alone for everything he has. He;s in the process of getting her out of debt. It's all in what you know and how educated you are.
I myself have experienced the harsh realities of life and while I don't believe these people should be coddled, I do believe they were failed as a whole as far as education goes. Sure, you live and you learn but society as a whole would be much better if we educated people about life before they graduated. Yes, they may fail but at least they couldn't fail because they didn't know.
ETA: You r actions are only stupid if you know you shouldn't do something and you do it anyway. Their actions are stupid to people who know that 20% interest is well, stupid. They didn't know. Neither one knew what 20% interest meant. They cannot make stupid decisions if they are genuinely uneducated about it.
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Location: East Texas | Vickie - 2016-10-19 10:54 AM
Wow, you Trumpettes have an excuse for everything. Obama didn't take your guns, but you are sure it is just because the valiant and brave GOP stopped him. Can you ever admit you were wrong? Wait, your candidate can't, why would you.
That sounds a little like the pot calling the kettle black...
Did I miss HC say that she was wrong about all those emails OR the Benghazi attack? Nah... I didn't think I missed it... just your wishful thinking, or you truly don't believe she did anything wrong. Which is it???
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| Vickie - 2016-10-19 9:54 AM Wow, you Trumpettes have an excuse for everything. Obama didn't take your guns, but you are sure it is just because the valiant and brave GOP stopped him. Can you ever admit you were wrong? Wait, your candidate can't, why would you.
And people with conservative views are the rude judemental jerks? I get there is heated debate on this thread and a lot of fact vs. fiction going on, but that was a bit of a personal attack on these ladies and was quite frankly uncalled for. | |
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Location: Florida | rpreast - 2016-10-19 12:35 PM Vickie - 2016-10-19 9:54 AM Wow, you Trumpettes have an excuse for everything. Obama didn't take your guns, but you are sure it is just because the valiant and brave GOP stopped him. Can you ever admit you were wrong? Wait, your candidate can't, why would you. And people with conservative views are the rude judemental jerks? I get there is heated debate on this thread and a lot of fact vs. fiction going on, but that was a bit of a personal attack on these ladies and was quite frankly uncalled for.
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-19 10:27 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 10:12 AM Bear with me:
A few problems I see with today's generation: The government controls what our schools teach. We have high school seniors who can recite Pathogoreans Theorem, but can't iron, balance a check book, or calculate interest on a loan. They don't realize that the $16,000 car they just financed with 20% interest will end up costing over $30,000 by the end of the loan. And they wonder why they can't trade it in when the 36,000 mile warranty goes out and their car dies. (Note to all buy a hyundai if you buy a new car. 10 yr 100k warranty LOL)
I see friends who are working moms, who have husbands that make at least $15-$17 an hour here in TX who have cried repeatedly while trying to hide their food card at the grocery store. It kills them to be on welfare. But they literally cannot afford food for their family. The father's checks can't pay the bills and the mother's entire paycheck pays for the kids to be in daycare while she works a mediocre job trying to help out. Why? Because no one ever taught them to budget, to plan ahead, to not buy the $60,000 vehicle on 20% interest. To save and buy the pick up for $3500 because it would work just fine. Sure, new vehicles have less maintenece... In the beginning. Once that warranty goes out tho, they have a truck payment and repair bills. No one every taught them to invest in their future with a saving's account. No one ever taught them to do any of that. So when the oilfield crashed, they crashed too.
The bigger picture here is people are uneducated. Our schools have failed our society. Our parents have failed their children. To me, it isn't solely the school's responsibility to teach your child. Sure, they may need to know algebra and spelling. That's basic. When was the last time you sat down with your children and taught them how their government worked? When's the last time you attended a town hall meeting as a family? When did you sit down as a family and explain that your child's vote as an adult in an election as little as a county election could influence and snowball effect something as large as a presidential nomination? Does your child know the branches of government? Can they explain in detail the job of each branch? Can they tell you term limits and view points of all the government officials we have appointed? All these people wanting to blame our schools and our government for the pickle we are in don't realize that it is their responsibility as a parent to teach their children about LIFE. Instead they blame others. If you see gaps in your children's education, fill them. Don't complain about them. Home is a school too. Children learn a lot more from you than you'd like to believe.
My parents were not perfect and I realize that most adults can't even do what is written above. Don't be lazy. Invest in your children. Invest in your family. Invest in your siblings, your parents, your friends. Teach the next generation! I love the part where you said if you see gaps in your child's education, fill them at home. That's one reason homeschooling is getting more popular. Parents got tired of sending them to school for 7 hours a day and then having to educate them at home too because they weren't getting what they needed. And that's not a slam on teachers, that's a slam on the system that politicians have created.
Not to mention sending them home with 2 hours of homework when they have had our kids all day. Seriously, when are they supposed to do chores, paticipate in sports and play outside. | |
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| 1DSoon - 2016-10-19 10:44 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 11:12 AM Bear with me:
A few problems I see with today's generation: The government controls what our schools teach. We have high school seniors who can recite Pathogoreans Theorem, but can't iron, balance a check book, or calculate interest on a loan. They don't realize that the $16,000 car they just financed with 20% interest will end up costing over $30,000 by the end of the loan. And they wonder why they can't trade it in when the 36,000 mile warranty goes out and their car dies. (Note to all buy a hyundai if you buy a new car. 10 yr 100k warranty LOL)
I see friends who are working moms, who have husbands that make at least $15-$17 an hour here in TX who have cried repeatedly while trying to hide their food card at the grocery store. It kills them to be on welfare. But they literally cannot afford food for their family. The father's checks can't pay the bills and the mother's entire paycheck pays for the kids to be in daycare while she works a mediocre job trying to help out. Why? Because no one ever taught them to budget, to plan ahead, to not buy the $60,000 vehicle on 20% interest. To save and buy the pick up for $3500 because it would work just fine. Sure, new vehicles have less maintenece... In the beginning. Once that warranty goes out tho, they have a truck payment and repair bills. No one every taught them to invest in their future with a saving's account. No one ever taught them to do any of that. So when the oilfield crashed, they crashed too.
The bigger picture here is people are uneducated. Our schools have failed our society. Our parents have failed their children. To me, it isn't solely the school's responsibility to teach your child. Sure, they may need to know algebra and spelling. That's basic. When was the last time you sat down with your children and taught them how their government worked? When's the last time you attended a town hall meeting as a family? When did you sit down as a family and explain that your child's vote as an adult in an election as little as a county election could influence and snowball effect something as large as a presidential nomination? Does your child know the branches of government? Can they explain in detail the job of each branch? Can they tell you term limits and view points of all the government officials we have appointed? All these people wanting to blame our schools and our government for the pickle we are in don't realize that it is their responsibility as a parent to teach their children about LIFE. Instead they blame others. If you see gaps in your children's education, fill them. Don't complain about them. Home is a school too. Children learn a lot more from you than you'd like to believe.
My parents were not perfect and I realize that most adults can't even do what is written above. Don't be lazy. Invest in your children. Invest in your family. Invest in your siblings, your parents, your friends. Teach the next generation! I don't disagree with anything you said here.
But I have to ask. When and why does this become societies responsiblity?
THere used to be, and there should be consequences for doing dumb things. Stupid should hurt. And if the Gov. bails you out when you do dumb sheet there is no motivation to learn not to be dumb.
It's tough, harsh, calloused, I realize that. But it's also the truth.
As I stated earlier in this thread, hunger is inspirational.
Couldn't agree more with 1D. I saw a post where a 24 single mom, never married, was asking what was going to be done for her to make it easier for her to complete her education. Now I will right up front agree that her completing her education is a great thing but her expectation that something should be done for her because of the situation she created is the problem. Guess what, it is going to be tough and hard but if you keep working at it you will come out ahead in the other side. | |
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Location: East Texas | Well, this thread has been all over the place. It has now gotten into education. I have been a HS science teacher and coach for the last 20 years. I have taught at schools that were mostly all one race or the other, rich or poor, and everything in between. I am currently at a school that is 1/3 black, Hispanic, and white, and 95% are econ. disadvantaged.
Some were talking about the education system being broken, and others mentioned family and society being broken. The problem is people expect the govt. to fix the problem and their solution is always is to create a program and spend more money. The problem with that is the same as it is with most things the govt. does. They are treating the symptoms instead of the cause. If I have students from families that value hard work (regardless of race or economic status), I do not need laptops, fancy labs, or equipment. I could teach class in my hay barn and students would be successful.
Here is a small example that I think reflects society as a whole. As I mentioned, I teach at a school where most of the kids come from econ. disadvantaged homes, and students often comment that they need money. I tell all my students that I will not give them any cash, but they can come work and I will pay (usually about $15 - $20/hr) to do odd jobs such as changing the oil in my truck, mowing, stacking firewood, washing vehicles or trailers, etc. I have very few take me up on the offer. School has been going for 9 weeks and not one kid has come to me looking to make some extra money. On the other hand, one of the kids who did the most over the last two years was the richest kid in school......
Also, blaming the education system for why someone does not have a job making the money they want is BS. The more education you have allows for more options on how you make a living not how much money you make. I have a cousin that brings in $40K/month picking up rural trash. One of my students made $20K last summer mowing yards, and the list could go on and on. Personally, the other day one of my students asked how I had such a nice house and other things being a teacher. I told him that my wife and I have 6-7 full and part time jobs, and we both work 60-70 or more hours a week to get what we have...... His response reflects the attitude of many.... pssst, I ain't doing that.
Anyone can walk out the door right now and mow lawns or wash trucks and make $40/hr, and it requires zero education. The problem is it requires hard work.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 12:20 PM
1DSoon - 2016-10-19 10:44 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 11:12 AM Bear with me:
A few problems I see with today's generation: The government controls what our schools teach. We have high school seniors who can recite Pathogoreans Theorem, but can't iron, balance a check book, or calculate interest on a loan. They don't realize that the $16,000 car they just financed with 20% interest will end up costing over $30,000 by the end of the loan. And they wonder why they can't trade it in when the 36,000 mile warranty goes out and their car dies. (Note to all buy a hyundai if you buy a new car. 10 yr 100k warranty LOL)
I see friends who are working moms, who have husbands that make at least $15-$17 an hour here in TX who have cried repeatedly while trying to hide their food card at the grocery store. It kills them to be on welfare. But they literally cannot afford food for their family. The father's checks can't pay the bills and the mother's entire paycheck pays for the kids to be in daycare while she works a mediocre job trying to help out. Why? Because no one ever taught them to budget, to plan ahead, to not buy the $60,000 vehicle on 20% interest. To save and buy the pick up for $3500 because it would work just fine. Sure, new vehicles have less maintenece... In the beginning. Once that warranty goes out tho, they have a truck payment and repair bills. No one every taught them to invest in their future with a saving's account. No one ever taught them to do any of that. So when the oilfield crashed, they crashed too.
The bigger picture here is people are uneducated. Our schools have failed our society. Our parents have failed their children. To me, it isn't solely the school's responsibility to teach your child. Sure, they may need to know algebra and spelling. That's basic. When was the last time you sat down with your children and taught them how their government worked? When's the last time you attended a town hall meeting as a family? When did you sit down as a family and explain that your child's vote as an adult in an election as little as a county election could influence and snowball effect something as large as a presidential nomination? Does your child know the branches of government? Can they explain in detail the job of each branch? Can they tell you term limits and view points of all the government officials we have appointed? All these people wanting to blame our schools and our government for the pickle we are in don't realize that it is their responsibility as a parent to teach their children about LIFE. Instead they blame others. If you see gaps in your children's education, fill them. Don't complain about them. Home is a school too. Children learn a lot more from you than you'd like to believe.
My parents were not perfect and I realize that most adults can't even do what is written above. Don't be lazy. Invest in your children. Invest in your family. Invest in your siblings, your parents, your friends. Teach the next generation! I don't disagree with anything you said here.
But I have to ask. When and why does this become societies responsiblity?
THere used to be, and there should be consequences for doing dumb things. Stupid should hurt. And if the Gov. bails you out when you do dumb sheet there is no motivation to learn not to be dumb.
It's tough, harsh, calloused, I realize that. But it's also the truth.
As I stated earlier in this thread, hunger is inspirational.
If we want to fix the money problems, the welfare problems, and the debt problems, we have to fix our education at home. It starts with the parents. The parents are the forfront of education. The parents can change their children's and grand children's lives.
We also have a friend who is 25, owns his own home (no mortgage) and owns his own vehicles. He literally has no debt. His single mother showed him finances and taught him how to save every penny. He credits her alone for everything he has. He;s in the process of getting her out of debt. It's all in what you know and how educated you are.
I myself have experienced the harsh realities of life and while I don't believe these people should be coddled, I do believe they were failed as a whole as far as education goes. Sure, you live and you learn but society as a whole would be much better if we educated people about life before they graduated. Yes, they may fail but at least they couldn't fail because they didn't know.
ETA: You r actions are only stupid if you know you shouldn't do something and you do it anyway. Their actions are stupid to people who know that 20% interest is well, stupid. They didn't know. Neither one knew what 20% interest meant. They cannot make stupid decisions if they are genuinely uneducated about it.
we are in agreement on the root cause.
But I'm of the mindset that the only way to fix it is to cut off the monsters head.
It will be very painful, and some people will suffer. But that's the only way I can see fixing it.
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | 1DSoon - 2016-10-19 11:54 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 12:20 PM 1DSoon - 2016-10-19 10:44 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 11:12 AM Bear with me:
A few problems I see with today's generation: The government controls what our schools teach. We have high school seniors who can recite Pathogoreans Theorem, but can't iron, balance a check book, or calculate interest on a loan. They don't realize that the $16,000 car they just financed with 20% interest will end up costing over $30,000 by the end of the loan. And they wonder why they can't trade it in when the 36,000 mile warranty goes out and their car dies. (Note to all buy a hyundai if you buy a new car. 10 yr 100k warranty LOL)
I see friends who are working moms, who have husbands that make at least $15-$17 an hour here in TX who have cried repeatedly while trying to hide their food card at the grocery store. It kills them to be on welfare. But they literally cannot afford food for their family. The father's checks can't pay the bills and the mother's entire paycheck pays for the kids to be in daycare while she works a mediocre job trying to help out. Why? Because no one ever taught them to budget, to plan ahead, to not buy the $60,000 vehicle on 20% interest. To save and buy the pick up for $3500 because it would work just fine. Sure, new vehicles have less maintenece... In the beginning. Once that warranty goes out tho, they have a truck payment and repair bills. No one every taught them to invest in their future with a saving's account. No one ever taught them to do any of that. So when the oilfield crashed, they crashed too.
The bigger picture here is people are uneducated. Our schools have failed our society. Our parents have failed their children. To me, it isn't solely the school's responsibility to teach your child. Sure, they may need to know algebra and spelling. That's basic. When was the last time you sat down with your children and taught them how their government worked? When's the last time you attended a town hall meeting as a family? When did you sit down as a family and explain that your child's vote as an adult in an election as little as a county election could influence and snowball effect something as large as a presidential nomination? Does your child know the branches of government? Can they explain in detail the job of each branch? Can they tell you term limits and view points of all the government officials we have appointed? All these people wanting to blame our schools and our government for the pickle we are in don't realize that it is their responsibility as a parent to teach their children about LIFE. Instead they blame others. If you see gaps in your children's education, fill them. Don't complain about them. Home is a school too. Children learn a lot more from you than you'd like to believe.
My parents were not perfect and I realize that most adults can't even do what is written above. Don't be lazy. Invest in your children. Invest in your family. Invest in your siblings, your parents, your friends. Teach the next generation! I don't disagree with anything you said here.
But I have to ask. When and why does this become societies responsiblity?
THere used to be, and there should be consequences for doing dumb things. Stupid should hurt. And if the Gov. bails you out when you do dumb sheet there is no motivation to learn not to be dumb.
It's tough, harsh, calloused, I realize that. But it's also the truth.
As I stated earlier in this thread, hunger is inspirational.
If we want to fix the money problems, the welfare problems, and the debt problems, we have to fix our education at home. It starts with the parents. The parents are the forfront of education. The parents can change their children's and grand children's lives.
We also have a friend who is 25, owns his own home (no mortgage) and owns his own vehicles. He literally has no debt. His single mother showed him finances and taught him how to save every penny. He credits her alone for everything he has. He;s in the process of getting her out of debt. It's all in what you know and how educated you are.
I myself have experienced the harsh realities of life and while I don't believe these people should be coddled, I do believe they were failed as a whole as far as education goes. Sure, you live and you learn but society as a whole would be much better if we educated people about life before they graduated. Yes, they may fail but at least they couldn't fail because they didn't know.
ETA: You r actions are only stupid if you know you shouldn't do something and you do it anyway. Their actions are stupid to people who know that 20% interest is well, stupid. They didn't know. Neither one knew what 20% interest meant. They cannot make stupid decisions if they are genuinely uneducated about it. But I'm of the mindset that the only way to fix it is to cut off the monsters head. It will be very painful, and some people will suffer. But that's the only way I can see fixing it. you won't be able to soft sell it and get anything done.
LOL I don't think you and I have EVER agreed on anything 1D! I'll be sure to mark it down on my calender. Just kidding.
But I do see your viewpoint on how it needs to be fixed and I respect that opinion. Thank you for agreeing to disagree with me respectfully on how to fix the problem. Wish Others knew how to debate with each other while being respectfull.... | |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Barnmom - 2016-10-19 11:49 AM
Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-19 10:27 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 10:12 AM Bear with me:
A few problems I see with today's generation: The government controls what our schools teach. We have high school seniors who can recite Pathogoreans Theorem, but can't iron, balance a check book, or calculate interest on a loan. They don't realize that the $16,000 car they just financed with 20% interest will end up costing over $30,000 by the end of the loan. And they wonder why they can't trade it in when the 36,000 mile warranty goes out and their car dies. (Note to all buy a hyundai if you buy a new car. 10 yr 100k warranty LOL)
I see friends who are working moms, who have husbands that make at least $15-$17 an hour here in TX who have cried repeatedly while trying to hide their food card at the grocery store. It kills them to be on welfare. But they literally cannot afford food for their family. The father's checks can't pay the bills and the mother's entire paycheck pays for the kids to be in daycare while she works a mediocre job trying to help out. Why? Because no one ever taught them to budget, to plan ahead, to not buy the $60,000 vehicle on 20% interest. To save and buy the pick up for $3500 because it would work just fine. Sure, new vehicles have less maintenece... In the beginning. Once that warranty goes out tho, they have a truck payment and repair bills. No one every taught them to invest in their future with a saving's account. No one ever taught them to do any of that. So when the oilfield crashed, they crashed too.
The bigger picture here is people are uneducated. Our schools have failed our society. Our parents have failed their children. To me, it isn't solely the school's responsibility to teach your child. Sure, they may need to know algebra and spelling. That's basic. When was the last time you sat down with your children and taught them how their government worked? When's the last time you attended a town hall meeting as a family? When did you sit down as a family and explain that your child's vote as an adult in an election as little as a county election could influence and snowball effect something as large as a presidential nomination? Does your child know the branches of government? Can they explain in detail the job of each branch? Can they tell you term limits and view points of all the government officials we have appointed? All these people wanting to blame our schools and our government for the pickle we are in don't realize that it is their responsibility as a parent to teach their children about LIFE. Instead they blame others. If you see gaps in your children's education, fill them. Don't complain about them. Home is a school too. Children learn a lot more from you than you'd like to believe.
My parents were not perfect and I realize that most adults can't even do what is written above. Don't be lazy. Invest in your children. Invest in your family. Invest in your siblings, your parents, your friends. Teach the next generation! I love the part where you said if you see gaps in your child's education, fill them at home. That's one reason homeschooling is getting more popular. Parents got tired of sending them to school for 7 hours a day and then having to educate them at home too because they weren't getting what they needed. And that's not a slam on teachers, that's a slam on the system that politicians have created.
Too much homework is not the problem. That's not new. As far back as I remember people have bellyached about too much homework.
I submit that most kids manage to find time to spend time on TV, video games, and the internet. If you feel it is taking your kids away from necessary chores, figure out a way to solve the problem. | |
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Location: TEXAS | Vickie - 2016-10-19 11:47 AM rpreast - 2016-10-19 12:35 PM Vickie - 2016-10-19 9:54 AM Wow, you Trumpettes have an excuse for everything. Obama didn't take your guns, but you are sure it is just because the valiant and brave GOP stopped him. Can you ever admit you were wrong? Wait, your candidate can't, why would you. And people with conservative views are the rude judemental jerks? I get there is heated debate on this thread and a lot of fact vs. fiction going on, but that was a bit of a personal attack on these ladies and was quite frankly uncalled for.
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| slacy09 - 2016-10-19 1:26 PM Vickie - 2016-10-19 11:47 AM rpreast - 2016-10-19 12:35 PM Vickie - 2016-10-19 9:54 AM Wow, you Trumpettes have an excuse for everything. Obama didn't take your guns, but you are sure it is just because the valiant and brave GOP stopped him. Can you ever admit you were wrong? Wait, your candidate can't, why would you. And people with conservative views are the rude judemental jerks? I get there is heated debate on this thread and a lot of fact vs. fiction going on, but that was a bit of a personal attack on these ladies and was quite frankly uncalled for.
I thought maybe I missed something so I did go back through and read every post. I saw comments made toward a certain party's views as a whole, but never another personal attack and/or name calling. | |
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Location: Displaced Iowegian | rpreast - 2016-10-19 3:32 PM slacy09 - 2016-10-19 1:26 PM Vickie - 2016-10-19 11:47 AM rpreast - 2016-10-19 12:35 PM Vickie - 2016-10-19 9:54 AM Wow, you Trumpettes have an excuse for everything. Obama didn't take your guns, but you are sure it is just because the valiant and brave GOP stopped him. Can you ever admit you were wrong? Wait, your candidate can't, why would you. And people with conservative views are the rude judemental jerks? I get there is heated debate on this thread and a lot of fact vs. fiction going on, but that was a bit of a personal attack on these ladies and was quite frankly uncalled for. 
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| NJJ - 2016-10-19 3:18 PM rpreast - 2016-10-19 3:32 PM slacy09 - 2016-10-19 1:26 PM Vickie - 2016-10-19 11:47 AM rpreast - 2016-10-19 12:35 PM Vickie - 2016-10-19 9:54 AM Wow, you Trumpettes have an excuse for everything. Obama didn't take your guns, but you are sure it is just because the valiant and brave GOP stopped him. Can you ever admit you were wrong? Wait, your candidate can't, why would you. And people with conservative views are the rude judemental jerks? I get there is heated debate on this thread and a lot of fact vs. fiction going on, but that was a bit of a personal attack on these ladies and was quite frankly uncalled for.
I meant every post on this particular thread.... No I did not go through every single post on BHW......
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Location: Texas | Vickie - 2016-10-19 10:54 AM
Wow, you Trumpettes have an excuse for everything. Obama didn't take your guns, but you are sure it is just because the valiant and brave GOP stopped him. Can you ever admit you were wrong? Wait, your candidate can't, why would you.
I prefer Trumpkin... And yes, the GOP, and their fear of losing reelection, is the only thing that has stopped the government from taking away our second amendment rights. In addition, let me add, that I am an independent and always have been. I vote people, not party. I don't care what race, gender, or political party you are affiliated with... What I care about is the direction of our country, our people. I have been poor, rich, and everything in between. I have been blessed to see many different sides of life, and it has certainly broadened my scope of politics. I will NEVER vote based on party loyalty.
Why am I voting Trump? For one, he isn't a career politician. He is what he is and we don't have to guess what he's thinking. He tells the truth about politics. He throws all of them under the bus, republicans and democrats alike. He's a business man who has employed thousands of people over the years. He's been all over the world and he loves America. Those old school back East guys are super loyal. I have roots out there and I know how they were raised. Some of my cousins, Uncles, etc... were raw son of a guns. But they were loyal. Trump will be loyal to the people. He's got nothing to prove and he isn't going to be bought, period. He's too arrogant for that. Our country needs a warrior right now, not a "politically correct" phony who has used her public office as a career path to promote herself and her family. This isn't England... we don't do royal families here. First Bill, then Hillary, then Chelsea or her husband. No more Clintons and no more Bushs!
DONALD J TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT!!!
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Bear - 2016-10-19 12:03 PM Barnmom - 2016-10-19 11:49 AM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-19 10:27 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 10:12 AM Bear with me:
A few problems I see with today's generation: The government controls what our schools teach. We have high school seniors who can recite Pathogoreans Theorem, but can't iron, balance a check book, or calculate interest on a loan. They don't realize that the $16,000 car they just financed with 20% interest will end up costing over $30,000 by the end of the loan. And they wonder why they can't trade it in when the 36,000 mile warranty goes out and their car dies. (Note to all buy a hyundai if you buy a new car. 10 yr 100k warranty LOL)
I see friends who are working moms, who have husbands that make at least $15-$17 an hour here in TX who have cried repeatedly while trying to hide their food card at the grocery store. It kills them to be on welfare. But they literally cannot afford food for their family. The father's checks can't pay the bills and the mother's entire paycheck pays for the kids to be in daycare while she works a mediocre job trying to help out. Why? Because no one ever taught them to budget, to plan ahead, to not buy the $60,000 vehicle on 20% interest. To save and buy the pick up for $3500 because it would work just fine. Sure, new vehicles have less maintenece... In the beginning. Once that warranty goes out tho, they have a truck payment and repair bills. No one every taught them to invest in their future with a saving's account. No one ever taught them to do any of that. So when the oilfield crashed, they crashed too.
The bigger picture here is people are uneducated. Our schools have failed our society. Our parents have failed their children. To me, it isn't solely the school's responsibility to teach your child. Sure, they may need to know algebra and spelling. That's basic. When was the last time you sat down with your children and taught them how their government worked? When's the last time you attended a town hall meeting as a family? When did you sit down as a family and explain that your child's vote as an adult in an election as little as a county election could influence and snowball effect something as large as a presidential nomination? Does your child know the branches of government? Can they explain in detail the job of each branch? Can they tell you term limits and view points of all the government officials we have appointed? All these people wanting to blame our schools and our government for the pickle we are in don't realize that it is their responsibility as a parent to teach their children about LIFE. Instead they blame others. If you see gaps in your children's education, fill them. Don't complain about them. Home is a school too. Children learn a lot more from you than you'd like to believe.
My parents were not perfect and I realize that most adults can't even do what is written above. Don't be lazy. Invest in your children. Invest in your family. Invest in your siblings, your parents, your friends. Teach the next generation! I love the part where you said if you see gaps in your child's education, fill them at home. That's one reason homeschooling is getting more popular. Parents got tired of sending them to school for 7 hours a day and then having to educate them at home too because they weren't getting what they needed. And that's not a slam on teachers, that's a slam on the system that politicians have created. Too much homework is not the problem. That's not new. As far back as I remember people have bellyached about too much homework. I submit that most kids manage to find time to spend time on TV, video games, and the internet. If you feel it is taking your kids away from necessary chores, figure out a way to solve the problem.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-19 5:05 PM
Bear - 2016-10-19 12:03 PM Barnmom - 2016-10-19 11:49 AM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-19 10:27 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 10:12 AM Bear with me:
A few problems I see with today's generation: The government controls what our schools teach. We have high school seniors who can recite Pathogoreans Theorem, but can't iron, balance a check book, or calculate interest on a loan. They don't realize that the $16,000 car they just financed with 20% interest will end up costing over $30,000 by the end of the loan. And they wonder why they can't trade it in when the 36,000 mile warranty goes out and their car dies. (Note to all buy a hyundai if you buy a new car. 10 yr 100k warranty LOL)
I see friends who are working moms, who have husbands that make at least $15-$17 an hour here in TX who have cried repeatedly while trying to hide their food card at the grocery store. It kills them to be on welfare. But they literally cannot afford food for their family. The father's checks can't pay the bills and the mother's entire paycheck pays for the kids to be in daycare while she works a mediocre job trying to help out. Why? Because no one ever taught them to budget, to plan ahead, to not buy the $60,000 vehicle on 20% interest. To save and buy the pick up for $3500 because it would work just fine. Sure, new vehicles have less maintenece... In the beginning. Once that warranty goes out tho, they have a truck payment and repair bills. No one every taught them to invest in their future with a saving's account. No one ever taught them to do any of that. So when the oilfield crashed, they crashed too.
The bigger picture here is people are uneducated. Our schools have failed our society. Our parents have failed their children. To me, it isn't solely the school's responsibility to teach your child. Sure, they may need to know algebra and spelling. That's basic. When was the last time you sat down with your children and taught them how their government worked? When's the last time you attended a town hall meeting as a family? When did you sit down as a family and explain that your child's vote as an adult in an election as little as a county election could influence and snowball effect something as large as a presidential nomination? Does your child know the branches of government? Can they explain in detail the job of each branch? Can they tell you term limits and view points of all the government officials we have appointed? All these people wanting to blame our schools and our government for the pickle we are in don't realize that it is their responsibility as a parent to teach their children about LIFE. Instead they blame others. If you see gaps in your children's education, fill them. Don't complain about them. Home is a school too. Children learn a lot more from you than you'd like to believe.
My parents were not perfect and I realize that most adults can't even do what is written above. Don't be lazy. Invest in your children. Invest in your family. Invest in your siblings, your parents, your friends. Teach the next generation! I love the part where you said if you see gaps in your child's education, fill them at home. That's one reason homeschooling is getting more popular. Parents got tired of sending them to school for 7 hours a day and then having to educate them at home too because they weren't getting what they needed. And that's not a slam on teachers, that's a slam on the system that politicians have created. Too much homework is not the problem. That's not new. As far back as I remember people have bellyached about too much homework. I submit that most kids manage to find time to spend time on TV, video games, and the internet. If you feel it is taking your kids away from necessary chores, figure out a way to solve the problem.
I have three children and 4 grandchildren. My kids held jobs, played sports, had had responsibility at home. I was a very busy single parent with a very demanding career. They all complained about "too much homework" as well, but they reaped the rewards, not me. My grandkids have a lot of homework as well, and interestingly their parents never bemoan that fact.
I have zero sympathy for the "too much homework" complaint. Judging from the fund of knowledge I've seen exhibited on our college campuses, I'd guess these kids could have used a little more homework. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Homework for K-5 beyond the occasional project doesn't help them learn. There are peer reviewed studies supporting that statement. I know of little kids with excessive homework to the point they can't go to bed at a decent hour if they try to do it all. Kindergarteners should not be crying over homework. The pressure they put on little ones with the newer curriculum is ridiculous. They end up burned out, frustrated, hating school, and thinking they're not capable. My 8 year old was saved from her horrible kindergarten experience by an awesome 1st grade teacher. She excelled academically, but she HATED school in kinder because they were worked so hard. Kids that age should still be doing more learning through play.
I never did my homework unless it was for a grade and it sure didn't hurt me any. Most of it was busy work and extra practice. Some kids might have benefitted from that, but not all. | |
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Location: Arkansas | TrackinBubba - 2016-10-19 7:12 AM
streakysox - 2016-10-18 5:06 PM I taught in a Charter School. They get their funding like other public schools or at least in Texas, as they are a separate school district, each having their own superintendent and school. We got the kids that had been kicked out of the high school for discipline problems. Why is saying that neighborhood schools are low performing or that democrat have the blacks where they want them is racist? I teach in a high school that is equally divided Hispanic, Black, and white. My black teacher friends feel the same way that I do about the black kids having to attend low performing schools when most of them attended schools that were completely integrated. I think the point I was making was that the democrats have set them back to a place before they were integrated. This is fact not opinion. All schools in Texas are rated according to test scores, attendance, graduation rate and several other factors. My job is to get the graduation percentage up. I don't care if they kid is green, if they get in my room they work and they understand that. If the breakdown of the family and apathy are the ruination of education then all schools are doomed. I have many girls who are single parents, they they are happy that our school district who is has a program where they can finish. If I have a student who in not working, a quick call to a parent usually gets them in gear. So there went the apathy theory. I do think that today's education is failing some students because we are to make brain surgeons out of everyone. I will say this, our new superintendent is trying to incorporate some vocational classes for kids in the early grad program. At least they can take something that interests them they will be better prepared to support themselves.
I don't give a tinker's **** about most of this thread but I am SO GLAD to hear that a school district somewhere is bringing back vocational classes. It is so hard to find somebody to hire with any kind of blue collar skills. You'd think in a medium-sized city surrounded by farm country we could find somebody who knows one end of a screwdriver from another.
Add on somebody with blue collar skills that can pass a drug test, has a decent driving record, can show up on time, and actually do their job? That's like hunting a unicorn.
Oh here in the Delta it's even more rare than an unicorn. | |
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Location: Arkansas | IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 10:12 AM
Bear with me:
A few problems I see with today's generation: The government controls what our schools teach. We have high school seniors who can recite Pathogoreans Theorem, but can't iron, balance a check book, or calculate interest on a loan. They don't realize that the $16,000 car they just financed with 20% interest will end up costing over $30,000 by the end of the loan. And they wonder why they can't trade it in when the 36,000 mile warranty goes out and their car dies. (Note to all buy a hyundai if you buy a new car. 10 yr 100k warranty LOL)
I see friends who are working moms, who have husbands that make at least $15-$17 an hour here in TX who have cried repeatedly while trying to hide their food card at the grocery store. It kills them to be on welfare. But they literally cannot afford food for their family. The father's checks can't pay the bills and the mother's entire paycheck pays for the kids to be in daycare while she works a mediocre job trying to help out. Why? Because no one ever taught them to budget, to plan ahead, to not buy the $60,000 vehicle on 20% interest. To save and buy the pick up for $3500 because it would work just fine. Sure, new vehicles have less maintenece... In the beginning. Once that warranty goes out tho, they have a truck payment and repair bills. No one every taught them to invest in their future with a saving's account. No one ever taught them to do any of that. So when the oilfield crashed, they crashed too.
The bigger picture here is people are uneducated. Our schools have failed our society. Our parents have failed their children. To me, it isn't solely the school's responsibility to teach your child. Sure, they may need to know algebra and spelling. That's basic. When was the last time you sat down with your children and taught them how their government worked? When's the last time you attended a town hall meeting as a family? When did you sit down as a family and explain that your child's vote as an adult in an election as little as a county election could influence and snowball effect something as large as a presidential nomination? Does your child know the branches of government? Can they explain in detail the job of each branch? Can they tell you term limits and view points of all the government officials we have appointed? All these people wanting to blame our schools and our government for the pickle we are in don't realize that it is their responsibility as a parent to teach their children about LIFE. Instead they blame others. If you see gaps in your children's education, fill them. Don't complain about them. Home is a school too. Children learn a lot more from you than you'd like to believe.
My parents were not perfect and I realize that most adults can't even do what is written above. Don't be lazy. Invest in your children. Invest in your family. Invest in your siblings, your parents, your friends. Teach the next generation!
One thing I am proud of (but also feel embarrassed by) is that my son has studied the political goings-on and can explain it and understand it better than me. He is going with my parents to Del Rio deer hunting and won't be here on election day, so he's voting early because he said he's 18, it's his first time to vote, and he's not gonna miss the opportunity. | |
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Location: Arkansas | Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-19 9:05 PM
Homework for K-5 beyond the occasional project doesn't help them learn. There are peer reviewed studies supporting that statement. I know of little kids with excessive homework to the point they can't go to bed at a decent hour if they try to do it all. Kindergarteners should not be crying over homework. The pressure they put on little ones with the newer curriculum is ridiculous. They end up burned out, frustrated, hating school, and thinking they're not capable. My 8 year old was saved from her horrible kindergarten experience by an awesome 1st grade teacher. She excelled academically, but she HATED school in kinder because they were worked so hard. Kids that age should still be doing more learning through play.
I never did my homework unless it was for a grade and it sure didn't hurt me any. Most of it was busy work and extra practice. Some kids might have benefitted from that, but not all.
I agree with you and obviously we're talking about the same school. Way too much busy work and tons of homework. Chandler would sometimes have 4 tests in one day even tho the school stated that would never happen. I understand homework and the need for it in moderation. But not to the point of two or so hours in several subjects most every night. . . . | |
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Location: Opelousas, LA | Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-19 9:05 PM Homework for K-5 beyond the occasional project doesn't help them learn. There are peer reviewed studies supporting that statement. I know of little kids with excessive homework to the point they can't go to bed at a decent hour if they try to do it all. Kindergarteners should not be crying over homework. The pressure they put on little ones with the newer curriculum is ridiculous. They end up burned out, frustrated, hating school, and thinking they're not capable. My 8 year old was saved from her horrible kindergarten experience by an awesome 1st grade teacher. She excelled academically, but she HATED school in kinder because they were worked so hard. Kids that age should still be doing more learning through play.
I never did my homework unless it was for a grade and it sure didn't hurt me any. Most of it was busy work and extra practice. Some kids might have benefitted from that, but not all.
It wouldn't bother me so much if the teacher actually had time to look at the kids homework. My 8 year old gets very upset when he does all his homework and other kids don't and they all get the same homework grade. Not blaming the teachers at all, the amount of paperwork they have to do is insane. My husband is a SPED teacher so I get how time consuming the paperwork is, not sure when they are supposed to actually teach. Apparently covering your a$$ in case there is ever a parent complaint is very important these days. | |
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Location: Peg-Leg Julia Grimm | grinandbareit - 2016-10-19 2:50 PM
Vickie - 2016-10-19 10:54 AM
Wow, you Trumpettes have an excuse for everything. Obama didn't take your guns, but you are sure it is just because the valiant and brave GOP stopped him. Can you ever admit you were wrong? Wait, your candidate can't, why would you.
I prefer Trumpkin... And yes, the GOP, and their fear of losing reelection, is the only thing that has stopped the government from taking away our second amendment rights. In addition, let me add, that I am an independent and always have been. I vote people, not party. I don't care what race, gender, or political party you are affiliated with... What I care about is the direction of our country, our people. I have been poor, rich, and everything in between. I have been blessed to see many different sides of life, and it has certainly broadened my scope of politics. I will NEVER vote based on party loyalty.
Why am I voting Trump? For one, he isn't a career politician. He is what he is and we don't have to guess what he's thinking. He tells the truth about politics. He throws all of them under the bus, republicans and democrats alike. He's a business man who has employed thousands of people over the years. He's been all over the world and he loves America. Those old school back East guys are super loyal. I have roots out there and I know how they were raised. Some of my cousins, Uncles, etc... were raw son of a guns. But they were loyal. Trump will be loyal to the people. He's got nothing to prove and he isn't going to be bought, period. He's too arrogant for that. Our country needs a warrior right now, not a "politically correct" phony who has used her public office as a career path to promote herself and her family. This isn't England... we don't do royal families here. First Bill, then Hillary, then Chelsea or her husband. No more Clintons and no more Bushs!
DONALD J TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT!!!
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Location: OH | Bear - 2016-10-19 9:38 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-19 5:05 PM Bear - 2016-10-19 12:03 PM Barnmom - 2016-10-19 11:49 AM Three 4 Luck - 2016-10-19 10:27 AM IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-19 10:12 AM Bear with me:
A few problems I see with today's generation: The government controls what our schools teach. We have high school seniors who can recite Pathogoreans Theorem, but can't iron, balance a check book, or calculate interest on a loan. They don't realize that the $16,000 car they just financed with 20% interest will end up costing over $30,000 by the end of the loan. And they wonder why they can't trade it in when the 36,000 mile warranty goes out and their car dies. (Note to all buy a hyundai if you buy a new car. 10 yr 100k warranty LOL)
I see friends who are working moms, who have husbands that make at least $15-$17 an hour here in TX who have cried repeatedly while trying to hide their food card at the grocery store. It kills them to be on welfare. But they literally cannot afford food for their family. The father's checks can't pay the bills and the mother's entire paycheck pays for the kids to be in daycare while she works a mediocre job trying to help out. Why? Because no one ever taught them to budget, to plan ahead, to not buy the $60,000 vehicle on 20% interest. To save and buy the pick up for $3500 because it would work just fine. Sure, new vehicles have less maintenece... In the beginning. Once that warranty goes out tho, they have a truck payment and repair bills. No one every taught them to invest in their future with a saving's account. No one ever taught them to do any of that. So when the oilfield crashed, they crashed too.
The bigger picture here is people are uneducated. Our schools have failed our society. Our parents have failed their children. To me, it isn't solely the school's responsibility to teach your child. Sure, they may need to know algebra and spelling. That's basic. When was the last time you sat down with your children and taught them how their government worked? When's the last time you attended a town hall meeting as a family? When did you sit down as a family and explain that your child's vote as an adult in an election as little as a county election could influence and snowball effect something as large as a presidential nomination? Does your child know the branches of government? Can they explain in detail the job of each branch? Can they tell you term limits and view points of all the government officials we have appointed? All these people wanting to blame our schools and our government for the pickle we are in don't realize that it is their responsibility as a parent to teach their children about LIFE. Instead they blame others. If you see gaps in your children's education, fill them. Don't complain about them. Home is a school too. Children learn a lot more from you than you'd like to believe.
My parents were not perfect and I realize that most adults can't even do what is written above. Don't be lazy. Invest in your children. Invest in your family. Invest in your siblings, your parents, your friends. Teach the next generation! I love the part where you said if you see gaps in your child's education, fill them at home. That's one reason homeschooling is getting more popular. Parents got tired of sending them to school for 7 hours a day and then having to educate them at home too because they weren't getting what they needed. And that's not a slam on teachers, that's a slam on the system that politicians have created. Too much homework is not the problem. That's not new. As far back as I remember people have bellyached about too much homework. I submit that most kids manage to find time to spend time on TV, video games, and the internet. If you feel it is taking your kids away from necessary chores, figure out a way to solve the problem. I have three children and 4 grandchildren. My kids held jobs, played sports, had had responsibility at home. I was a very busy single parent with a very demanding career. They all complained about "too much homework" as well, but they reaped the rewards, not me. My grandkids have a lot of homework as well, and interestingly their parents never bemoan that fact. I have zero sympathy for the "too much homework" complaint. Judging from the fund of knowledge I've seen exhibited on our college campuses, I'd guess these kids could have used a little more homework.
I have two boys, 6th and 7th grade and yes they have a lot of homework most nights and they have a lot of chores AND they are involved in sports. It does not upset me in the least, it teaches them self discipline at an early age and time management if they expect to get their 1/2 hour on their games. | |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Chandler's Mom - 2016-10-19 11:18 PM TrackinBubba - 2016-10-19 7:12 AM streakysox - 2016-10-18 5:06 PM I taught in a Charter School. They get their funding like other public schools or at least in Texas, as they are a separate school district, each having their own superintendent and school. We got the kids that had been kicked out of the high school for discipline problems. Why is saying that neighborhood schools are low performing or that democrat have the blacks where they want them is racist? I teach in a high school that is equally divided Hispanic, Black, and white. My black teacher friends feel the same way that I do about the black kids having to attend low performing schools when most of them attended schools that were completely integrated. I think the point I was making was that the democrats have set them back to a place before they were integrated. This is fact not opinion. All schools in Texas are rated according to test scores, attendance, graduation rate and several other factors. My job is to get the graduation percentage up. I don't care if they kid is green, if they get in my room they work and they understand that. If the breakdown of the family and apathy are the ruination of education then all schools are doomed. I have many girls who are single parents, they they are happy that our school district who is has a program where they can finish. If I have a student who in not working, a quick call to a parent usually gets them in gear. So there went the apathy theory. I do think that today's education is failing some students because we are to make brain surgeons out of everyone. I will say this, our new superintendent is trying to incorporate some vocational classes for kids in the early grad program. At least they can take something that interests them they will be better prepared to support themselves.
I don't give a tinker's **** about most of this thread but I am SO GLAD to hear that a school district somewhere is bringing back vocational classes. It is so hard to find somebody to hire with any kind of blue collar skills. You'd think in a medium-sized city surrounded by farm country we could find somebody who knows one end of a screwdriver from another.
Add on somebody with blue collar skills that can pass a drug test, has a decent driving record, can show up on time, and actually do their job? That's like hunting a unicorn. Oh here in the Delta it's even more rare than an unicorn.
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