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Location: Georgia | okhorselover - 2016-10-20 8:07 PM I just want to say they advertise here & this is a wonderful thing to do for your horse if you feel they have problems. I am so happy my trainer suggested doing this with my filly. It is amazing, the results. I am going to use them for my open horse next year for her allergies.
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Location: Back in MT BABY!!! | I did this a couple years ago with a couple of my horses. It was a print out of different mineral levels in their system. And gave information of possible side effects of a toxic or deficient level of those minerals. Then you are able to order supplement mixture to fix those imbalances.
The one horse had a severe SEVERE toxic level of heavy metal poisoning. The changes in him were amazing. The other horses were minor level of imbalances in minerals (no metal poisoning) the changes in them were unnoticeable.
If you have a horse really struggling I would highly recommend it...the others I would just make sure you have them on a good feeding/mineral program.
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Location: Louisiana | okhorselover - 2016-10-22 8:31 PM
It costs $25.00. Very much worth it. My trainer said my filly is already doing better since she was diagnosed & on the herbs for her. He is an honest man & would not lie to me. I trust him with my own life.
Maybe I'm looking at the wrong thing...but I clicked on the link advertised on the home page and on their site it says it's $185.
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It costs $25.00. Very much worth it. My trainer said my filly is already doing better since she was diagnosed & on the herbs for her. He is an honest man & would not lie to me. I trust him with my own life.
Maybe I'm looking at the wrong thing...but I clicked on the link advertised on the home page and on their site it says it's $185.
Are you going through the one advertised on here or another company?
I believe shes referring to the company Simply Equine that also does HHA. I've had a few friends do this and they too said they have had good results.
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This thread is really interesting. I went to Simply Equine's Web page. I noticed prices are posted for each blend but I didn't see a serving size, or how many servings you get for the price.
Because of this post I happened to ask a friend for more details and her experience with it. She told me a bag lasts 60 days. |
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Location: The best kept secret in TX | WrapN3MN - 2016-10-24 1:28 PM IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-24 1:05 PM This thread is really interesting. I went to Simply Equine's Web page. I noticed prices are posted for each blend but I didn't see a serving size, or how many servings you get for the price. Because of this post I happened to ask a friend for more details and her experience with it. She told me a bag lasts 60 days.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | I ran down hair analysis in the past and thought it was a joke. Until I got a gelding that I cannot figure out what the hell is wrong with him. I went through Heather Benson and just started the 60 day treatment. I could be totally throwing my money away but so far I've got thousands stuck into treating a gelding that is useless and standing in my pasture. I'm going to try this and if it works, great. If not then I've at least tried everything.  |
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I ran down hair analysis in the past and thought it was a joke. Until I got a gelding that I cannot figure out what the hell is wrong with him. I went through Heather Benson and just started the 60 day treatment. I could be totally throwing my money away but so far I've got thousands stuck into treating a gelding that is useless and standing in my pasture. I'm going to try this and if it works, great. If not then I've at least tried everything.
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| CYA Ranch - 2016-10-24 8:23 PM I ran down hair analysis in the past and thought it was a joke. Until I got a gelding that I cannot figure out what the hell is wrong with him. I went through Heather Benson and just started the 60 day treatment. I could be totally throwing my money away but so far I've got thousands stuck into treating a gelding that is useless and standing in my pasture. I'm going to try this and if it works, great. If not then I've at least tried everything.
For heavy metals and toxins it can be useful just like in people. I have a friend who had her horse tested and they found he had very high levels of metals. They told her to buy a filter that goes on the water hose, did not sell her anything. After a few months he seems to be a much happier horse and is running better too. |
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | GLP - 2016-10-24 9:05 PM CYA Ranch - 2016-10-24 8:23 PM I ran down hair analysis in the past and thought it was a joke. Until I got a gelding that I cannot figure out what the hell is wrong with him. I went through Heather Benson and just started the 60 day treatment. I could be totally throwing my money away but so far I've got thousands stuck into treating a gelding that is useless and standing in my pasture. I'm going to try this and if it works, great. If not then I've at least tried everything. Please keep us updated if you don't mind. I know I'd like to know if it worked for you or not.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | IRunOnFaith - 2016-10-24 1:05 PM This thread is really interesting. I went to Simply Equine's Web page. I noticed prices are posted for each blend but I didn't see a serving size, or how many servings you get for the price.
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I have had hair tested by two different parties. Simply Equine and a different hair analysis person from a company that does not sell equine herbs but does sell herbal dog products. Results were the same.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | ropenrun - 2016-10-25 3:20 AM ND3canAddict - 2016-10-24 3:39 PM I think it's interesting, and have heard positive things about Simply Equine. I'd be even more interested if there was an outfit running the samples that wasn't also selling a product. I wonder if the results would be different? I have had hair tested by two different parties. Simply Equine and a different hair analysis person from a company that does not sell equine herbs but does sell herbal dog products. Results were the same.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | Bear - 2016-10-24 4:28 PM The placebo effect is a very powerful tool in quackery. Belief is powerful medicine, even if the treatment itself is a sham.
You could be and probably are absolutey right Scott. I've thrown away a heck of a lot more money on things that may or may not work. The gelding I'm treating was going to be put down when the ground thawed this past spring because I can't sell him and don't have endless pasture and hay to keep feeding him. If it doesn't work he probably will end up in a hole. I hope I prove everyone wrong on hair analysis, not because I want to be right but because I want my horse to be rideable again.  |
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Location: South Dakota | CYA Ranch - 2016-10-25 7:35 AM Bear - 2016-10-24 4:28 PM The placebo effect is a very powerful tool in quackery. Belief is powerful medicine, even if the treatment itself is a sham. You could be and probably are absolutey right Scott. I've thrown away a heck of a lot more money on things that may or may not work. The gelding I'm treating was going to be put down when the ground thawed this past spring because I can't sell him and don't have endless pasture and hay to keep feeding him. If it doesn't work he probably will end up in a hole. I hope I prove everyone wrong on hair analysis, not because I want to be right but because I want my horse to be rideable again.
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Location: Downsouth | I am a believer. I sent a sample to Simply Equine (Heather Benson) a few years ago. I didn't tell her anything about my mare, besides her barn name. When she called with the results, I was amazed. First, she asked if my mare suffers from anhidrosis and my answer was no, not any more. Her 4 year old year, she stopped sweating, mid May, and started back by mid September. She has never had an issue since. that was 5 years ago. Second, Heather told me that her bursa sack on her front right was inflamed. She recommended that I have my shoer set her at a 56 degree angle. She said that the analysis called for 2 different herbs but she said she didn't think I would need them, once I had her shod.
The hair analysis pulled front right bursa sack and hypothalamus gland. Do you really think that its a coincidence?
Fast forward two years..... All is well!!
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | lazytdickens - 2016-10-25 8:24 AM
I am a believer. I sent a sample to Simply Equine (Heather Benson ) a few years ago. I didn't tell her anything about my mare, besides her barn name. When she called with the results, I was amazed. First, she asked if my mare suffers from anhidrosis and my answer was no, not any more. Her 4 year old year, she stopped sweating, mid May, and started back by mid September. She has never had an issue since. that was 5 years ago. Second, Heather told me that her bursa sack on her front right was inflamed. She recommended that I have my shoer set her at a 56 degree angle. She said that the analysis called for 2 different herbs but she said she didn't think I would need them, once I had her shod.
The hair analysis pulled front right bursa sack and hypothalamus gland. Do you really think that its a coincidence?
Fast forward two years..... All is well!!
You may not be a believer. There was a time that I wasn't either. So just keep playing the guessing game and spending the big bucks. I mean really, since when has 25 bucks ever solved a problem with a barrel horse.
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Location: TEXAS | 1DSoon - 2016-10-24 2:50 PM
I did this a few months ago and found out my horse was using heroine
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Location: Alberta, Canada | I just talked to heather this morning on FIVE horses I sent in samples on... She has helped my bleeder tremendously as well as my ottb that spent the summer sick after reacting to an antibiotic. I noticed results in the ottb after about 3 weeks and my bleeder started draining from the nostrils after about a week.
This time I sent a sample on my 4 year old. He is our miracle baby who went neurological at a week old and was given a 5% chance of survival. On Saturday our osteopath worked on him for the first time and did alot of work on his brain. Heather pulled alot of different information that made sense on him, but the big one was brain. Interesting... Still really blown away by that as this is also an area i've been concerned about.
Really excited to get these other 3 on a program with her over the winter and see what we have come spring. Her herbs come in a 60 day supply... when I got my first bags I was shocked at the low dose. Also the fact that its all pelleted is very handy as well!
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dashnlotti - 2016-10-23 10:27 PM
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It costs $25.00. Very much worth it. My trainer said my filly is already doing better since she was diagnosed & on the herbs for her. He is an honest man & would not lie to me. I trust him with my own life.
Maybe I'm looking at the wrong thing...but I clicked on the link advertised on the home page and on their site it says it's $185.
Are you going through the one advertised on here or another company?
I believe shes referring to the company Simply Equine that also does HHA. I've had a few friends do this and they too said they have had good results.
Yes I used Simply Equine & Heather Benson. I thought that was her when I saw the advertisement. She is who my trainer uses & he suggested her for my filly he is training. He has already seen results with Nugget. If my horse is improving, that's what counts & she has. |
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Location: Arkansas | CYA Ranch - 2016-10-25 7:35 AM
Bear - 2016-10-24 4:28 PM The placebo effect is a very powerful tool in quackery. Belief is powerful medicine, even if the treatment itself is a sham.
You could be and probably are absolutey right Scott. I've thrown away a heck of a lot more money on things that may or may not work. The gelding I'm treating was going to be put down when the ground thawed this past spring because I can't sell him and don't have endless pasture and hay to keep feeding him. If it doesn't work he probably will end up in a hole. I hope I prove everyone wrong on hair analysis, not because I want to be right but because I want my horse to be rideable again.
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Location: Riding Crackhead. | jenagarwood - 2016-10-25 9:12 AM I sent hair from two horses to Heather Benson a couple months ago. She found a couple issues that I was already aware of (one has been confirmed by a vet in the past) and a couple that I was unaware of but certainly could fit with their issues. I had not communicated with her in any way before, and their issues are not on my (private set) FB or internet anywhere, so I don't know how in the world that could be coincidence. One gets low-grade kidney infections (confirmed by vet), gets sore occasionally in his fronts (confirmed by vet), and the other is an emotional basketcase (confirmed by me, lol) and has minor breathing issues (which I was aware of, and have been treating with Equi-Resp). Those are the issues she pointed out that I was aware of already--only that's an awful lot of coincidence, if it's coincidence. As far as her herbs, I don't know yet as I'm only about halfway through the first 60 days, but they are no more pricey than anything else I've ever used.
I was in Rapid at West Fest when Heather called me and started telling me things about my gelding that only I knew about him. I just started treating him on Monday but I'm very anxious to see if it helps. Fingers and toes crossed. |
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Location: North Dakota | I sent Simply Equine two hair samples. One from my futurity horse, and one from next years. I didn't include any information other than their barn names and my name and address. When she called me to discuss the samples, she picked out several things on my horses that were TOO MUCH of a coincidence. She didn't just point out a sore hock or stifle, but picked out exactly which side had previously been bothering my horse. My horse had also had chiropractic work done on her after sending the samples, but before I got results back. Simply Equine's findings matched the exact locations my horse was out.
She also said she was picking up on my horse being nervous and asked if it was a barrel horse - which she was right on. She gets amped up at the gate, but is not gate sour. She suggested the brain balance and at the next event we ran at, she was still on the muscle, but felt more focused. The one that surprised me, was pointing out my 4 year old having respiratory issues, but not my 5 year old despite being penned together and having the same routine. My 4 year old had developed a dry cough the week I sent the samples in. No snot, no heavy breathing, just a cough like she was trying to clear her lungs, but there was nothing to get rid of. 5 days after starting on the respiratory herb it was gone.
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Location: Windoming | I'm confused, Heather sounds more like an animal communicator than a reader of horse hair. Seems to me all the analysis would do is tell you what mineral levels etc are present in your horse. Not that he has respiratory problems, anxiety, chiropractic problems..........????? Isn't that kind of like testing my hair and telling me I'm a psychopath? |
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Location: TEXAS | Silly Filly - 2016-10-27 3:23 PM
I'm confused, Heather sounds more like an animal communicator than a reader of horse hair. Seems to me all the analysis would do is tell you what mineral levels etc are present in your horse. Not that he has respiratory problems, anxiety, chiropractic problems..........????? Isn't that kind of like testing my hair and telling me I'm a psychopath?
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Location: Alberta, Canada | Silly Filly - 2016-10-27 1:23 PM
I'm confused, Heather sounds more like an animal communicator than a reader of horse hair. Seems to me all the analysis would do is tell you what mineral levels etc are present in your horse. Not that he has respiratory problems, anxiety, chiropractic problems..........????? Isn't that kind of like testing my hair and telling me I'm a psychopath?
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Location: Louisiana | Silly Filly - 2016-10-27 3:23 PM
I'm confused, Heather sounds more like an animal communicator than a reader of horse hair. Seems to me all the analysis would do is tell you what mineral levels etc are present in your horse. Not that he has respiratory problems, anxiety, chiropractic problems..........????? Isn't that kind of like testing my hair and telling me I'm a psychopath?
Yeeaaaahhhhh......I sent in a sample this week just to see on my gelding I can't seem to keep healthy. Figured $25 can't hurt.
I am not/was not expecting her to tell me he has a bad knee. I am kinda expecting more along the lines of he's lacking or maybe even toxic with certain minerals etc.
I know his soundness/crazy stuff lol, I don't know why he gets fat and shiny and then dull and ribby within a month. When he gets the best money can buy and the other horses are fat as ticks on less.
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| dashnlotti - 2016-10-27 11:25 PM Silly Filly - 2016-10-27 3:23 PM I'm confused, Heather sounds more like an animal communicator than a reader of horse hair. Seems to me all the analysis would do is tell you what mineral levels etc are present in your horse. Not that he has respiratory problems, anxiety, chiropractic problems..........????? Isn't that kind of like testing my hair and telling me I'm a psychopath? Yeeaaaahhhhh......I sent in a sample this week just to see on my gelding I can't seem to keep healthy. Figured $25 can't hurt. I am not/was not expecting her to tell me he has a bad knee. I am kinda expecting more along the lines of he's lacking or maybe even toxic with certain minerals etc. I know his soundness/crazy stuff lol, I don't know why he gets fat and shiny and then dull and ribby within a month. When he gets the best money can buy and the other horses are fat as ticks on less. But after hearing these testimonials I'm pretty curious as to what she'll say about him.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Hold on a minute here folks. You need to understand a few things better. There IS validity to genetic testing based on DNA analysis of the the DNA in the ROOT of the hair, not the shaft. You need to understand the difference. We're talking about these relatively uncommon metabolic defects like HYPP, and PSSM-1, etc, or some genetic immunodeficiency diseases. You need the ROOT of the hair, just like you need it when you send in your hair sample to AQHA. THIS particular cheap $25 analysis is an assay of the hair shaft......correct? About the only worthwhile thing this will give you is whether or not your horse has some sort of heavy metal poisoning. It sure as hell won't tell you where a horse is hurting or how he feels. I think this is just a hook to get you to buy some potients or herbs. Once in a while it will appear that it "works", so then you become a testimonial or a " believer". This is quackery, plain and simple.
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Location: TEXAS | Bear - 2016-10-28 9:29 AM
Hold on a minute here folks. You need to understand a few things better. There IS validity to genetic testing based on DNA analysis of the the DNA in the ROOT of the hair, not the shaft. You need to understand the difference. We're talking about these relatively uncommon metabolic defects like HYPP, and PSSM-1, etc, or some genetic immunodeficiency diseases. You need the ROOT of the hair, just like you need it when you send in your hair sample to AQHA. THIS particular cheap $25 analysis is an assay of the hair shaft......correct? About the only worthwhile thing this will give you is whether or not your horse has some sort of heavy metal poisoning. It sure as hell won't tell you where a horse is hurting or how he feels. I think this is just a hook to get you to buy some potients or herbs. Once in a while it will appear that it "works", so then you become a testimonial or a " believer". This is quackery, plain and simple.
Here.....chew on this for a while:
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Location: North Dakota | CYA Ranch - 2016-10-25 10:11 PM jenagarwood - 2016-10-25 9:12 AM I sent hair from two horses to Heather Benson a couple months ago. She found a couple issues that I was already aware of (one has been confirmed by a vet in the past) and a couple that I was unaware of but certainly could fit with their issues. I had not communicated with her in any way before, and their issues are not on my (private set) FB or internet anywhere, so I don't know how in the world that could be coincidence. One gets low-grade kidney infections (confirmed by vet), gets sore occasionally in his fronts (confirmed by vet), and the other is an emotional basketcase (confirmed by me, lol) and has minor breathing issues (which I was aware of, and have been treating with Equi-Resp). Those are the issues she pointed out that I was aware of already--only that's an awful lot of coincidence, if it's coincidence. As far as her herbs, I don't know yet as I'm only about halfway through the first 60 days, but they are no more pricey than anything else I've ever used. I was in Rapid at West Fest when Heather called me and started telling me things about my gelding that only I knew about him. I just started treating him on Monday but I'm very anxious to see if it helps. Fingers and toes crossed.
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Location: Claremore, OK | Bear - 2016-10-28 9:29 AM Hold on a minute here folks. You need to understand a few things better. There IS validity to genetic testing based on DNA analysis of the the DNA in the ROOT of the hair, not the shaft. You need to understand the difference. We're talking about these relatively uncommon metabolic defects like HYPP, and PSSM-1, etc, or some genetic immunodeficiency diseases. You need the ROOT of the hair, just like you need it when you send in your hair sample to AQHA. THIS particular cheap $25 analysis is an assay of the hair shaft......correct? About the only worthwhile thing this will give you is whether or not your horse has some sort of heavy metal poisoning. It sure as hell won't tell you where a horse is hurting or how he feels. I think this is just a hook to get you to buy some potients or herbs. Once in a while it will appear that it "works", so then you become a testimonial or a " believer". This is quackery, plain and simple. Here.....chew on this for a while: http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html
There are two different types of HHA , the scientific method done by Dr DePaolo and the muscle testing kind done for $25 by a couple different people. The cheaper version is someone dangling a crystal over your horse's hair doing remote muscle testing or dousing. The money is made by selling you supplements they say you need as per the "testing". |
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| Liana D - 2020-11-24 12:11 PM Bear - 2016-10-28 9:29 AM Hold on a minute here folks. You need to understand a few things better. There IS validity to genetic testing based on DNA analysis of the the DNA in the ROOT of the hair, not the shaft. You need to understand the difference. We're talking about these relatively uncommon metabolic defects like HYPP, and PSSM-1, etc, or some genetic immunodeficiency diseases. You need the ROOT of the hair, just like you need it when you send in your hair sample to AQHA. THIS particular cheap $25 analysis is an assay of the hair shaft......correct? About the only worthwhile thing this will give you is whether or not your horse has some sort of heavy metal poisoning. It sure as hell won't tell you where a horse is hurting or how he feels. I think this is just a hook to get you to buy some potients or herbs. Once in a while it will appear that it "works", so then you become a testimonial or a " believer". This is quackery, plain and simple. Here.....chew on this for a while: http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html There are two different types of HHA , the scientific method done by Dr DePaolo and the muscle testing kind done for $25 by a couple different people. The cheaper version is someone dangling a crystal over your horse's hair doing remote muscle testing or dousing. The money is made by selling you supplements they say you need as per the "testing". I'm sorry Liana. Your comment " someone dangling a crystal over your horse's hair doing remote muscle testing or dousing." is very wrong. Have you sat with heather & watched her dangle a crystal ball over my horse ? " No you haven't. I adore you as a trainer but your comment is just wrong. People myself included have had good results with their horses. Isn't that a good thing ? I think so. Don't we want our horses to feel well ? Yes we do. The ougi board comment from scott was so un professional. What does he know ? He's not a horse person. Not much with horses. For goodness sake people, if something works for our horses isn't that a good thing ?? Quit critisizing . Oh & science. Science says there is no God. Guess what there is :)
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | okhorselover - 2020-11-25 7:51 PM Liana D - 2020-11-24 12:11 PM Bear - 2016-10-28 9:29 AM Hold on a minute here folks. You need to understand a few things better. There IS validity to genetic testing based on DNA analysis of the the DNA in the ROOT of the hair, not the shaft. You need to understand the difference. We're talking about these relatively uncommon metabolic defects like HYPP, and PSSM-1, etc, or some genetic immunodeficiency diseases. You need the ROOT of the hair, just like you need it when you send in your hair sample to AQHA. THIS particular cheap $25 analysis is an assay of the hair shaft......correct? About the only worthwhile thing this will give you is whether or not your horse has some sort of heavy metal poisoning. It sure as hell won't tell you where a horse is hurting or how he feels. I think this is just a hook to get you to buy some potients or herbs. Once in a while it will appear that it "works", so then you become a testimonial or a " believer". This is quackery, plain and simple. Here.....chew on this for a while: http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html There are two different types of HHA , the scientific method done by Dr DePaolo and the muscle testing kind done for $25 by a couple different people. The cheaper version is someone dangling a crystal over your horse's hair doing remote muscle testing or dousing. The money is made by selling you supplements they say you need as per the "testing". I'm sorry Liana. Your comment " someone dangling a crystal over your horse's hair doing remote muscle testing or dousing." is very wrong. Have you sat with heather & watched her dangle a crystal ball over my horse ? " No you haven't. I adore you as a trainer but your comment is just wrong. People myself included have had good results with their horses. Isn't that a good thing ? I think so. Don't we want our horses to feel well ? Yes we do. The ougi board comment from scott was so un professional. What does he know ? He's not a horse person. Not much with horses. For goodness sake people, if something works for our horses isn't that a good thing ?? Quit critisizing . Oh & science. Science says there is no God. Guess what there is :) Everybody is entitled to their own opinion on this subject or any subject, but this does sound like a interesting subject.. me I rather just go to my horses Vet and go to the root of the problem. Edited to add" yes you are Right God is real and God is Great
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Defense Attorney for The Horse
Location: Claremore, OK | okhorselover - 2020-11-25 7:51 PM
Liana D - 2020-11-24 12:11 PM
Bear - 2016-10-28 9:29 AM Hold on a minute here folks. You need to understand a few things better. There IS validity to genetic testing based on DNA analysis of the the DNA in the ROOT of the hair, not the shaft. You need to understand the difference. We're talking about these relatively uncommon metabolic defects like HYPP, and PSSM-1, etc, or some genetic immunodeficiency diseases. You need the ROOT of the hair, just like you need it when you send in your hair sample to AQHA. THIS particular cheap $25 analysis is an assay of the hair shaft......correct? About the only worthwhile thing this will give you is whether or not your horse has some sort of heavy metal poisoning. It sure as hell won't tell you where a horse is hurting or how he feels. I think this is just a hook to get you to buy some potients or herbs. Once in a while it will appear that it "works", so then you become a testimonial or a " believer". This is quackery, plain and simple. Here.....chew on this for a while: http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html
There are two different types of HHA , the scientific method done by Dr DePaolo and the muscle testing kind done for $25 by a couple different people.
The cheaper version is someone dangling a crystal over your horse's hair doing remote muscle testing or dousing. The money is made by selling you supplements they say you need as per the "testing".
I'm sorry Liana. Your comment " someone dangling a crystal over your horse's hair doing remote muscle testing or dousing." is very wrong. Have you sat with heather & watched her dangle a crystal ball over my horse ? " No you haven't. I adore you as a trainer but your comment is just wrong. People myself included have had good results with their horses. Isn't that a good thing ? I think so. Don't we
want our horses to feel well ? Yes we do. The ougi board comment from scott was so un professional. What does he know ? He's not a horse person. Not much with horses. For goodness sake people, if something works for our horses isn't that a good thing ?? Quit critisizing . Oh & science. Science says there is no God. Guess what there is :)
I'm not criticizing, I have nothing against the people selling or using the service but I think people should realize what it is. One company whole hardly admits its muscle testing, another company calls it "using a gift from God". I've used muscle testing my self. There's a video on fb Of a ring circling above a mare's back predicting goal gender, that's muscle testing. If it works for you, great, but calling it Horse Hair Analysis is a little misleading. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | CYA Ranch - 2016-10-25 10:11 PM jenagarwood - 2016-10-25 9:12 AM I sent hair from two horses to Heather Benson a couple months ago. She found a couple issues that I was already aware of (one has been confirmed by a vet in the past) and a couple that I was unaware of but certainly could fit with their issues. I had not communicated with her in any way before, and their issues are not on my (private set) FB or internet anywhere, so I don't know how in the world that could be coincidence. One gets low-grade kidney infections (confirmed by vet), gets sore occasionally in his fronts (confirmed by vet), and the other is an emotional basketcase (confirmed by me, lol) and has minor breathing issues (which I was aware of, and have been treating with Equi-Resp). Those are the issues she pointed out that I was aware of already--only that's an awful lot of coincidence, if it's coincidence. As far as her herbs, I don't know yet as I'm only about halfway through the first 60 days, but they are no more pricey than anything else I've ever used. I was in Rapid at West Fest when Heather called me and started telling me things about my gelding that only I knew about him. I just started treating him on Monday but I'm very anxious to see if it helps. Fingers and toes crossed.
Just wondering how all this worked out. I know CYA Ranch has not posted in a really long time so I hope everything is good on her end, just curious how it worked out for her gelding? So maybe just maybe she will see this thread and check in. Are does anybody know her, or Facebook with her on here maybe they can ask her to check in with us?  |
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| Southtxponygirl - 2020-11-25 8:02 PM
okhorselover - 2020-11-25 7:51 PM
Liana D - 2020-11-24 12:11 PM
Bear - 2016-10-28 9:29 AM Hold on a minute here folks. You need to understand a few things better. There IS validity to genetic testing based on DNA analysis of the the DNA in the ROOT of the hair, not the shaft. You need to understand the difference. We're talking about these relatively uncommon metabolic defects like HYPP, and PSSM-1, etc, or some genetic immunodeficiency diseases. You need the ROOT of the hair, just like you need it when you send in your hair sample to AQHA. THIS particular cheap $25 analysis is an assay of the hair shaft......correct? About the only worthwhile thing this will give you is whether or not your horse has some sort of heavy metal poisoning. It sure as hell won't tell you where a horse is hurting or how he feels. I think this is just a hook to get you to buy some potients or herbs. Once in a while it will appear that it "works", so then you become a testimonial or a " believer". This is quackery, plain and simple. Here.....chew on this for a while: http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html
There are two different types of HHA , the scientific method done by Dr DePaolo and the muscle testing kind done for $25 by a couple different people.
The cheaper version is someone dangling a crystal over your horse's hair doing remote muscle testing or dousing. The money is made by selling you supplements they say you need as per the "testing".
I'm sorry Liana. Your comment " someone dangling a crystal over your horse's hair doing remote muscle testing or dousing." is very wrong. Have you sat with heather & watched her dangle a crystal ball over my horse ? " No you haven't. I adore you as a trainer but your comment is just wrong. People myself included have had good results with their horses. Isn't that a good thing ? I think so. Don't we
want our horses to feel well ? Yes we do. The ougi board comment from scott was so un professional. What does he know ? He's not a horse person. Not much with horses. For goodness sake people, if something works for our horses isn't that a good thing ?? Quit critisizing . Oh & science. Science says there is no God. Guess what there is :)
Everybody is intitled to their own opinion on this subject or any subject, but this does sound like a interesting subject.. me I rather just go to my horses Vet and go to the root of the problem.
Edited to add" yes you are Right God is real and God is Great
I use the "woo-woo" stuff when my vets (plural intended, I believe in 2nd, 3rd.. opinions) aren't sure what is going on. Usually the woo woo helps if not completely solves the problem. I have great success combining the two with an ok from my vet and the alternative therapy person. I ALWAYS make sure that the one will not adversely effect the other. My horse's health comes first. If something isn't working, I am going to try my hardest to find something that does. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | GLP - 2020-11-26 10:07 AM
Southtxponygirl - 2020-11-25 8:02 PM
okhorselover - 2020-11-25 7:51 PM
Liana D - 2020-11-24 12:11 PM
Bear - 2016-10-28 9:29 AM Hold on a minute here folks. You need to understand a few things better. There IS validity to genetic testing based on DNA analysis of the the DNA in the ROOT of the hair, not the shaft. You need to understand the difference. We're talking about these relatively uncommon metabolic defects like HYPP, and PSSM-1, etc, or some genetic immunodeficiency diseases. You need the ROOT of the hair, just like you need it when you send in your hair sample to AQHA. THIS particular cheap $25 analysis is an assay of the hair shaft......correct? About the only worthwhile thing this will give you is whether or not your horse has some sort of heavy metal poisoning. It sure as hell won't tell you where a horse is hurting or how he feels. I think this is just a hook to get you to buy some potients or herbs. Once in a while it will appear that it "works", so then you become a testimonial or a " believer". This is quackery, plain and simple. Here.....chew on this for a while: http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html
There are two different types of HHA , the scientific method done by Dr DePaolo and the muscle testing kind done for $25 by a couple different people.
The cheaper version is someone dangling a crystal over your horse's hair doing remote muscle testing or dousing. The money is made by selling you supplements they say you need as per the "testing".
I'm sorry Liana. Your comment " someone dangling a crystal over your horse's hair doing remote muscle testing or dousing." is very wrong. Have you sat with heather & watched her dangle a crystal ball over my horse ? " No you haven't. I adore you as a trainer but your comment is just wrong. People myself included have had good results with their horses. Isn't that a good thing ? I think so. Don't we
want our horses to feel well ? Yes we do. The ougi board comment from scott was so un professional. What does he know ? He's not a horse person. Not much with horses. For goodness sake people, if something works for our horses isn't that a good thing ?? Quit critisizing . Oh & science. Science says there is no God. Guess what there is :)
Everybody is intitled to their own opinion on this subject or any subject, but this does sound like a interesting subject.. me I rather just go to my horses Vet and go to the root of the problem.
Edited to add" yes you are Right God is real and God is Great
I use the "woo-woo" stuff when my vets (plural intended, I believe in 2nd, 3rd.. opinions) aren't sure what is going on. Usually the woo woo helps if not completely solves the problem. I have great success combining the two with an ok from my vet and the alternative therapy person. I ALWAYS make sure that the one will not adversely effect the other. My horse's health comes first. If something isn't working, I am going to try my hardest to find something that does.
I have been blessed since I found the Vet that I have always wanted since moving from the Valley, Since I have been using Dr. Huffman for serious issues I have no need to try the woo-woo(laughing) stuff. Befor Dr. Huffman I had he** trying to get serious issues taking care of, Dr.Huffman has been a blessing for my horses especially Melvin I have been fighting his lameness for years and then finally needed a 3rd opionion and Huffman nailed it, and never went back to the other Vets, rather travel a little farther from the house then wasting time with someone else.. But hey if the (woo-woo) is working I wont knock it.. LOL |
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Location: LouLouVille, OK | Bear - 2016-10-24 4:28 PM The placebo effect is a very powerful tool in quackery. Belief is powerful medicine, even if the treatment itself is a sham.
There's alot of truth to this... I sent hair off and was pretty blown away with what was right and what they could see through hair... bought the herbs and no change... sent off 2nd horse.. and never even got to why I sent the hair off anyway, so I had to ask about it.. then they got it well kinda.. .bought the herbs again, no change... so my verdict is still out on it... just my experience. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Wow, this was an interesting trip down memory lane. Oh, and Mary, just so you know, I do believe in God. Many scientists believe in God. I also believe in science. Riddle me that. God gave me a brain and I use mine. He also gave you a brain.....start using yours and learn to spell. Since you decided I'm "not a horse person", how do you know this? Who are you to make that determination? “Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.” - Albert Einstein. |
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| Bear - 2016-10-28 9:29 AM Hold on a minute here folks. You need to understand a few things better. There IS validity to genetic testing based on DNA analysis of the the DNA in the ROOT of the hair, not the shaft. You need to understand the difference. We're talking about these relatively uncommon metabolic defects like HYPP, and PSSM-1, etc, or some genetic immunodeficiency diseases. You need the ROOT of the hair, just like you need it when you send in your hair sample to AQHA. THIS particular cheap $25 analysis is an assay of the hair shaft......correct? About the only worthwhile thing this will give you is whether or not your horse has some sort of heavy metal poisoning. It sure as hell won't tell you where a horse is hurting or how he feels. I think this is just a hook to get you to buy some potients or herbs. Once in a while it will appear that it "works", so then you become a testimonial or a " believer". This is quackery, plain and simple. Here.....chew on this for a while: http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html
Do you think that certain tests would show silver? NOT colloidal silver. Long sorry that I do not want to share. If you have to know I will message you |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | streakysox - 2020-12-01 6:05 PM
Bear - 2016-10-28 9:29 AM Hold on a minute here folks. You need to understand a few things better. There IS validity to genetic testing based on DNA analysis of the the DNA in the ROOT of the hair, not the shaft. You need to understand the difference. We're talking about these relatively uncommon metabolic defects like HYPP, and PSSM-1, etc, or some genetic immunodeficiency diseases. You need the ROOT of the hair, just like you need it when you send in your hair sample to AQHA. THIS particular cheap $25 analysis is an assay of the hair shaft......correct? About the only worthwhile thing this will give you is whether or not your horse has some sort of heavy metal poisoning. It sure as hell won't tell you where a horse is hurting or how he feels. I think this is just a hook to get you to buy some potients or herbs. Once in a while it will appear that it "works", so then you become a testimonial or a " believer". This is quackery, plain and simple. Here.....chew on this for a while: http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/hair.html
Do you think that certain tests would show silver? NOT colloidal silver. Long sorry that I do not want to share. If you have to know I will message you
I don't know if there are available tests that can detect silver in hair. Silver is a "heavy metal", so I suppose it's possible. Not all "heavy metals" are toxins. Silver can be harmful if you get enough of it. Some heavy metals are even essential nutrients, but very small amounts are needed, like copper and zinc. When people typically talk about "heavy metals" it's in reference to the feared "heavy metal poisoning, like from lead or mercury or bismuth. |
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