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| What saddle/ pad combinations have worked well for you those of you that have wider horses with even larger bulging shoulders? |
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| Caldwell XL or maxed out. Depends on just how wide those shoulders are! Lol |
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| Wish I could afford a caldwell |
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| Buckles - 2016-10-30 1:07 PM
Wish I could afford a caldwell
True that!!! There is a knock off of sorts but I can't remember the companies name. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | FLITASTIC - 2016-10-30 5:40 PM Buckles - 2016-10-30 1:07 PM Wish I could afford a caldwell True that!!! There is a knock off of sorts but I can't remember the companies name.
Your thinking of the Performance Saddle Company {PSC} they look like a Caldwell and now adays they cost almost as much as a Caldwell.. |
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| I bought an allenranch built on a bob Marshall cutting horse tree with shoulder flare, I use an equipedic pad my horse is massive in the shoulders. |
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| I have a Circle Y XP Bell that fits wide horses really nice and rides really nice. I'm sure if you look around you could find a good used one at a reasonable price. |
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| Subbing to see what others say. So far the best fit I have found so far for my mare are a Billy Royal show saddle and a Martin ranch cutter saddle. CSI pads seem to work really well for her. |
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| Roo hide was one i looked at before I went with Allen ranch. I think Tammy semas has one that people have had good luck with. |
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Location: Desert Land | tin can - 2016-10-31 2:42 PM Roo hide was one i looked at before I went with Allen ranch. I think Tammy semas has one that people have had good luck with.
The Tami Semas is a nice saddle, but the "wide" tree is not very wide. |
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| Martin crown c, I have 1 who is built like a whiskey barrel and this is the only saddle to fit her, she wears a 11 gullet |
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| FLITASTIC - 2016-10-30 1:54 PM
Caldwell XL or maxed out. Depends on just how wide those shoulders are! Lol
I had a maxed out Caldwell for my large shouldered horse. They simply make them wider however what they need to be doing is making more flare to the bars to accommodate. The larger gullet may fit the shoulders but then doesn't fit the rest of the horse. That was my experience. If you can find something with flare to the bars for the shoulders instead of simply being wide you will be better off. I sold the horse so didn't have to worry about it anymore. |
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Location: NE Texas | turnthree - 2016-10-31 8:13 AM I have a Circle Y XP Bell that fits wide horses really nice and rides really nice. I'm sure if you look around you could find a good used one at a reasonable price. I just took a beautiful 14.5 Circle Y XP in on trade and need to sell, as I just don't need it. First bidder will likely own it. I have it listed for $1500 on FB but all offers will be considered! Somebodys going to get a heck of a deal on thi saddle.
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| I have a Circle Y XP on trial right now, and can confirm that it does seem to fit my large shouldered mare fairly well. Wish it had a touch more bar flare, but I am not sure if it more of the skirts being stiff from it being a new saddle or not. |
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Location: Desert Land | ImaSparkyAce - 2016-11-01 7:26 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-10-30 1:54 PM Caldwell XL or maxed out. Depends on just how wide those shoulders are! Lol I had a maxed out Caldwell for my large shouldered horse. They simply make them wider however what they need to be doing is making more flare to the bars to accommodate. The larger gullet may fit the shoulders but then doesn't fit the rest of the horse. That was my experience. If you can find something with flare to the bars for the shoulders instead of simply being wide you will be better off. I sold the horse so didn't have to worry about it anymore.
They do make trees with more flare... TG, Rocket, Ultra Rocket. The ProRacer, ProMax, Maxxed Out trees are for rounder shaped, less wither having horses. |
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| TheOldGrayMare - 2016-11-01 12:39 PM
ImaSparkyAce - 2016-11-01 7:26 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-10-30 1:54 PM Caldwell XL or maxed out. Depends on just how wide those shoulders are! Lol I had a maxed out Caldwell for my large shouldered horse. They simply make them wider however what they need to be doing is making more flare to the bars to accommodate. The larger gullet may fit the shoulders but then doesn't fit the rest of the horse. That was my experience. If you can find something with flare to the bars for the shoulders instead of simply being wide you will be better off. I sold the horse so didn't have to worry about it anymore.
My maxed out didn't have much for flare just wide. |
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Location: Lost in the corn of Iowa. | Meleta Brown with the freedom tree from Crates will fit the wide shoulder type of horses. And the one I have works best with a 1/2" 5 star.
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| My allen ranch has flair, something to think about pay down when you order the, make payments until it's finished most custom saddles take 6 months. |
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| draftmare - 2016-11-01 12:25 PM
I have a Circle Y XP on trial right now, and can confirm that it does seem to fit my large shouldered mare fairly well. Wish it had a touch more bar flare, but I am not sure if it more of the skirts being stiff from it being a new saddle or not.
Coming back to say that while this saddle was good in the width department, it did not offer enough flare for my girl's shoulders. |
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| BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-11-03 3:46 AM
Got any pictures of any of these horses with bulging shoulders??
Well, this is what Sydney look like: https://goo.gl/photos/PifLZhWmmDmuQYyq5 |
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BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-11-03 3:46 AM
Got any pictures of any of these horses with bulging shoulders??
Well, this is what Sydney look like: https://goo.gl/photos/PifLZhWmmDmuQYyq5
She is sure pretty and a flashy looking little girl !!
Here in Tx/Ok we use the term ... mutton withers .. on these types
of conformation. It is very common in foundation bred horses.
You have to depend on more contact area with your tack and certain
materials are more "sticky" than others.
We don't buy saddles to fit specific horses we use other means to
keep a saddle in place and comfortable for the horse.
A good high quality mohair roper cinch from DM tack..
(square topped D rings puts cinch pressure vertically w/no elbow rubbing
the roper cinch gives you more contact area and weight/pressure distribution)
A 2 1/2-- 3 inch breastcollar snapped in low on saddle or cinch D ring
(no downward pull on swells of saddle = no sore backs)
A 2 finger snug fitting back girth dropping straight down on the rib cage
when saddling horse .. it will slack off as saddle pad depresses with horse's
movement)
A good open backed horse hair saddle pad to keep any movement to a minimum
(old style pad had a canvas backing with horse hair contact on back and
ran $30-40 and if you look hard you can still find them) color makes you
think of CarHart canvas work jackets .. rust and green are common colors
Too many of todays expensive pads have no "grab" to hold them in place ..
the super smooth finish is for the owner to feel and not for keeping saddle
in place ..
This completes what we call a sticky tack setup for mutton withered horses.
The above tacking up is a good practice to use on any horse you ride ...
by increasing the area of contact and proper positioning of your tack
your saddle movement and sore back problems disappear.
Another tip ... stop posting up and down in a western saddle .. ride deep seated
with some rhythm to your hips ... go watch Cervi ride her mutton withered Stingray ... ... and stop pounding your horse
in the kidneys .... lol ...
NO NEED TO BUY A DIFFERENT SADDLE FOR EACH HORSE YOU OWN..
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Location: Desert Land | ImaSparkyAce - 2016-11-01 11:01 AM
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ImaSparkyAce - 2016-11-01 7:26 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-10-30 1:54 PM Caldwell XL or maxed out. Depends on just how wide those shoulders are! Lol I had a maxed out Caldwell for my large shouldered horse. They simply make them wider however what they need to be doing is making more flare to the bars to accommodate. The larger gullet may fit the shoulders but then doesn't fit the rest of the horse. That was my experience. If you can find something with flare to the bars for the shoulders instead of simply being wide you will be better off. I sold the horse so didn't have to worry about it anymore.
My maxed out didn't have much for flare just wide.
No, it shouldn't have had flare, it wasn't meant to. If you would've had the Ultra Rocket it would've been the same width but more flare and rock to the tree. You didn't have the right tree for your horse. |
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| I couldn't post a picture, my horse is very wide in the front with big shoulders i wouldn't call him mutton withered. I tried a wide tree from allen ranch it rubbed him over the back the cutting tree with flair in the shoulders works well I've been happy with it. |
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| TheOldGrayMare - 2016-11-03 8:49 PM
ImaSparkyAce - 2016-11-01 11:01 AM
TheOldGrayMare - 2016-11-01 12:39 PM
ImaSparkyAce - 2016-11-01 7:26 AM FLITASTIC - 2016-10-30 1:54 PM Caldwell XL or maxed out. Depends on just how wide those shoulders are! Lol I had a maxed out Caldwell for my large shouldered horse. They simply make them wider however what they need to be doing is making more flare to the bars to accommodate. The larger gullet may fit the shoulders but then doesn't fit the rest of the horse. That was my experience. If you can find something with flare to the bars for the shoulders instead of simply being wide you will be better off. I sold the horse so didn't have to worry about it anymore.
My maxed out didn't have much for flare just wide. No, it shouldn't have had flare, it wasn't meant to. If you would've had the Ultra Rocket it would've been the same width but more flare and rock to the tree. You didn't have the right tree for your horse.
He was a round horse with not much wither and huge shoulders. From what I understood the rocket is more for a high withered horse. When I talked to Charon about him she told me that maxed out would work.
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