|
|
Expert
Posts: 1509
 
Location: TN | Took my gelding to the vet yesterday becasue he has not clocked good since the middle of the Summer. Been trying to decide between a training and a lameness issue. Hocks and coffin injected back in June and he did better afterwards. Took him to the local vet for those injections and he came back firing hard and running correctly. His performance since has leveled off. He has been sore somewhere I can't exactly pin point and not firing as hard. Saved my money up for a lameness check at a very well known facility and they basically dismissed him as being off, said he was a 1/5 lameness, randomly injected coffin bc he tested positive with hoof testers, didn't listen to me about him, and ran him through super quick. I'm very disappointed in the diagnosis. It was a 4 hour haul to this facility. I can visibly see him off in the hind end, he holds his tail up and to the side, his hips seem uneven, and numerous people have mentioned "he just looks uncomfortable and stiff" in a run. I'm beyond frustrated.... |
|
| |
|
Veteran
Posts: 138
 
| Have you talked to a chiropractor? He may be out in his hips, which will require a combination of chiro and massage therapy (so muscle memory won't pull everything back out) to fix. My last mare had wonky hips from a life as a broodmare, and it took a lot of work, but we got her as close to normal as we could using chiro and massage. |
|
| |
|
Married to a Louie Lover
Posts: 3303
| I'd consider a chiropractor and looking into EPM, the crooked tail and hard to pinpoint general uncomfortableness were both signs when I dealt with it. |
|
| |
|
Location: South Dakota | tnmagnolia - 2016-11-02 7:16 AM Took my gelding to the vet yesterday becasue he has not clocked good since the middle of the Summer. Been trying to decide between a training and a lameness issue. Hocks and coffin injected back in June and he did better afterwards. Took him to the local vet for those injections and he came back firing hard and running correctly. His performance since has leveled off. He has been sore somewhere I can't exactly pin point and not firing as hard. Saved my money up for a lameness check at a very well known facility and they basically dismissed him as being off, said he was a 1/5 lameness, randomly injected coffin bc he tested positive with hoof testers, didn't listen to me about him, and ran him through super quick. I'm very disappointed in the diagnosis. It was a 4 hour haul to this facility. I can visibly see him off in the hind end, he holds his tail up and to the side, his hips seem uneven, and numerous people have mentioned "he just looks uncomfortable and stiff" in a run. I'm beyond frustrated....
Ugh, I feel your pain and it is so frustrating!!!! You know something is wrong, and spend good time and money to get to a vet.....and they seem like they are in a huge hurry and hardly want to take the time to listen to you or explain what they are doing....after 3 trips to 2 different vets, with the same "drive thru" attitude, and no improvement in my mare, I am fed up, with the hurry, hurry feeling at the clinic. I have even mentioned when I made appointments, that I want a time slot, where the vet hopefully will be able to take the time needed, .....to no avail.
Hope you can get your gelding's issues figured out soon! |
|
| |
|
I just read the headlines
Posts: 4483
| Is there a good vet that is old school you could take him to? I had a horse that was off, more of a feeling than actual seeing it. Took him to a good vet that was a single vet clinic that specialized in horses and he told me he wasn't seeing anything specific but that didn't mean I wasn't feeling something. He believed me and we looked until we found what was wrong. He had a high suspensory injury on his front leg. Sometimes the old school vet who will take his time with you is your better bet.
Having said that, this vet had no problem sending us elsewhere if he felt the horse needed more diagnostic work than what he had at his office. |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 1509
Location: TN | ridejg - 2016-11-02 9:42 AM
tnmagnolia - 2016-11-02 7:16 AM Took my gelding to the vet yesterday becasue he has not clocked good since the middle of the Summer. Been trying to decide between a training and a lameness issue. Hocks and coffin injected back in June and he did better afterwards. Took him to the local vet for those injections and he came back firing hard and running correctly. His performance since has leveled off. He has been sore somewhere I can't exactly pin point and not firing as hard. Saved my money up for a lameness check at a very well known facility and they basically dismissed him as being off, said he was a 1/5 lameness, randomly injected coffin bc he tested positive with hoof testers, didn't listen to me about him, and ran him through super quick. I'm very disappointed in the diagnosis. It was a 4 hour haul to this facility. I can visibly see him off in the hind end, he holds his tail up and to the side, his hips seem uneven, and numerous people have mentioned "he just looks uncomfortable and stiff" in a run. I'm beyond frustrated....
Ugh, I feel your pain and it is so frustrating!!!! You know something is wrong, and spend good time and money to get to a vet.....and they seem like they are in a huge hurry and hardly want to take the time to listen to you or explain what they are doing....after 3 trips to 2 different vets, with the same "drive thru" attitude, and no improvement in my mare, I am fed up, with the hurry, hurry feeling at the clinic. I have even mentioned when I made appointments, that I want a time slot, where the vet hopefully will be able to take the time needed, .....to no avail.
Hope you can get your gelding's issues figured out soon!
YASSSS!!!
Like I feel like I need a support group.
I'm not thinking EPM i've had an EPM horses and he isn't showing any other symptoms.
I'd like to get him into a good chiro and massage person.
|
|
| |
|
 Texas Taco
Posts: 7499
Location: Bandera, TX | I feel your pain. One of mine keeps having mystery issues... something is wrong but nothing obvious. I spent a fortune on vet bills for her.
I had three vets tell me that she does not have EPM, after insisting on the test she had the highest titers they have ever seen. So that... then her spine was postive for kissing spine, but I didn't feel these symptoms.... then bone scan... no, not the back, but a susepnsory injury... horse never took a lame step.
She was sound for the past year after one year off with all of the above, and fell apart on me last week. Shoot me now.
My advice is to go with your gut. Only you know this horse.
|
|
| |
|
 Expert
Posts: 5290
| It can be EXTREMELY frustrating. I feel your pain.. There is an old saying that I got from a vet years and years ago that holds true for me. Turn them out for a year. Nothing takes longer than a year to really heal. If they are not better after a year they wont be. Most don't want to wait that long. Me included.. |
|
| |
|
 A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354
Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | GLP - 2016-11-02 8:55 AM Is there a good vet that is old school you could take him to? I had a horse that was off, more of a feeling than actual seeing it. Took him to a good vet that was a single vet clinic that specialized in horses and he told me he wasn't seeing anything specific but that didn't mean I wasn't feeling something. He believed me and we looked until we found what was wrong. He had a high suspensory injury on his front leg. Sometimes the old school vet who will take his time with you is your better bet. Having said that, this vet had no problem sending us elsewhere if he felt the horse needed more diagnostic work than what he had at his office.
Yes always trust that gut feeling. And I love the old school vets, always has the time for you, and will shoot the breeze with you when work is finished. I miss my vet from the Valley  |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 5290
| Southtxponygirl - 2016-11-02 8:40 AM
GLP - 2016-11-02 8:55 AM Is there a good vet that is old school you could take him to? I had a horse that was off, more of a feeling than actual seeing it. Took him to a good vet that was a single vet clinic that specialized in horses and he told me he wasn't seeing anything specific but that didn't mean I wasn't feeling something. He believed me and we looked until we found what was wrong. He had a high suspensory injury on his front leg. Sometimes the old school vet who will take his time with you is your better bet. Having said that, this vet had no problem sending us elsewhere if he felt the horse needed more diagnostic work than what he had at his office.
Yes always trust that gut feeling. And I love the old school vets, always has the time for you, and will shoot the breeze with you when work is finished. I miss my vet from the Valley
AGREED!!!! ANd they are more practical!! THey know their S*&()*&)(* sometimes better than these newer ones. |
|
| |
|
 Experienced Mouse Trapper
Posts: 3106
Location: North Dakota | Inject the hocks-5 months isn't that long between injections-in fact my vet said every 3 months is pretty normal-besides you said injecting the coffin and hocks had him firing-right?! Why wouldn't you put him on a schedule for injecting when his performance starts indicating the need? |
|
| |
|
Experienced Mouse Trapper
Posts: 3106
Location: North Dakota | ., I can visibly see him off in the hind end, he holds his tail up and to the side, his hips seem uneven,
That is his hocks-IMO |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 1509
Location: TN | Southtxponygirl - 2016-11-02 11:40 AM
GLP - 2016-11-02 8:55 AM Is there a good vet that is old school you could take him to? I had a horse that was off, more of a feeling than actual seeing it. Took him to a good vet that was a single vet clinic that specialized in horses and he told me he wasn't seeing anything specific but that didn't mean I wasn't feeling something. He believed me and we looked until we found what was wrong. He had a high suspensory injury on his front leg. Sometimes the old school vet who will take his time with you is your better bet. Having said that, this vet had no problem sending us elsewhere if he felt the horse needed more diagnostic work than what he had at his office.
Yes always trust that gut feeling. And I love the old school vets, always has the time for you, and will shoot the breeze with you when work is finished. I miss my vet from the Valley
I was super frustrated bc this world renowned vet saw nothing wrong covered his face kinda while looking at my horse and was just like "ugh these barrel racers." He was working race horse lame exams in and out. I don't think I'll be going back there again unless it is my last option.
I do have an old school vet at home but he sees horses very little. He will inject or xray whatever I ask him too though. I wanted answers tho. I wanted a real diagnosis. I guess this is more of a vent but I felt bc i'm not a big name and bc my horse isn't one of the top ones in the nation I was over looked. |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 1509
Location: TN | LMS - 2016-11-02 12:55 PM ., I can visibly see him off in the hind end, he holds his tail up and to the side, his hips seem uneven,
That is his hocks-IMO
I completely agree! and assumed we would do them but we did not yesterday. I asked point blank do we need to do hocks and he said "no it is not needed" so now i'm out of money for a few weeks then I'll probably go get hocks done by my old faithful vet.
Just so upset with the fuel to haul, paying twice as normal for the name of the facility basically, and disappointed my horse is still not 100%  |
|
| |
|
A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354
Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | tnmagnolia - 2016-11-02 11:57 AM Southtxponygirl - 2016-11-02 11:40 AM GLP - 2016-11-02 8:55 AM Is there a good vet that is old school you could take him to? I had a horse that was off, more of a feeling than actual seeing it. Took him to a good vet that was a single vet clinic that specialized in horses and he told me he wasn't seeing anything specific but that didn't mean I wasn't feeling something. He believed me and we looked until we found what was wrong. He had a high suspensory injury on his front leg. Sometimes the old school vet who will take his time with you is your better bet. Having said that, this vet had no problem sending us elsewhere if he felt the horse needed more diagnostic work than what he had at his office. Yes always trust that gut feeling. And I love the old school vets, always has the time for you, and will shoot the breeze with you when work is finished. I miss my vet from the Valley I was super frustrated bc this world renowned vet saw nothing wrong covered his face kinda while looking at my horse and was just like "ugh these barrel racers." He was working race horse lame exams in and out. I don't think I'll be going back there again unless it is my last option. I do have an old school vet at home but he sees horses very little. He will inject or xray whatever I ask him too though. I wanted answers tho. I wanted a real diagnosis. I guess this is more of a vent but I felt bc i'm not a big name and bc my horse isn't one of the top ones in the nation I was over looked.
You are just as better as a big name barrel racer, dont let this Vet make you think you are no better becasuse he/she didnt want to take the time are have the knowledge to help your horse. You go find another Vet that will listen to you.When I was in the hospital a few years back I was so sick and hospital doctors didnt think any thing was really wrong with me they just not would listen to what I had to say are how I was feeling UNTIL this one Doctor came into my roon and sit down with me and I told him how I was feeling and what was going on, he listen to every word I had to say, he ran testes and found why I was so sick and got me to where I was feeling so much better, the other doctors didnt want to make the time but he did, it just takes that one caring Doctor to make it all better. LOl. |
|
| |
|
Experienced Mouse Trapper
Posts: 3106
Location: North Dakota | tnmagnolia - 2016-11-02 12:00 PM LMS - 2016-11-02 12:55 PM ., I can visibly see him off in the hind end, he holds his tail up and to the side, his hips seem uneven,
That is his hocks-IMO I completely agree! and assumed we would do them but we did not yesterday. I asked point blank do we need to do hocks and he said "no it is not needed" so now i'm out of money for a few weeks then I'll probably go get hocks done by my old faithful vet.
Just so upset with the fuel to haul, paying twice as normal for the name of the facility basically, and disappointed my horse is still not 100%
Well, here's a piece of advice from an older gal-when something isn't broke don't fix it-if he needs hocks injected every 3 months just do it-you can look into pentosan, or adequan-glucosamine etc to possibly help extend/manitain him better but until those hocks fuse/heal they will need to be injected. No fancy vet has a magic wand..... I'm sorry you spent your money and time only for it to be wasted. |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 1509
Location: TN | LMS - 2016-11-02 1:39 PM tnmagnolia - 2016-11-02 12:00 PM LMS - 2016-11-02 12:55 PM ., I can visibly see him off in the hind end, he holds his tail up and to the side, his hips seem uneven,
That is his hocks-IMO I completely agree! and assumed we would do them but we did not yesterday. I asked point blank do we need to do hocks and he said "no it is not needed" so now i'm out of money for a few weeks then I'll probably go get hocks done by my old faithful vet.
Just so upset with the fuel to haul, paying twice as normal for the name of the facility basically, and disappointed my horse is still not 100%
Just finished a 7 shot series of adequan and he is on osphos as well.
I know vets do not have a magic wand but i'm thinking more is wrong than normal thats why I didn't randomly inject.
Edited by tnmagnolia 2016-11-02 1:17 PM
|
|
| |
|
Experienced Mouse Trapper
Posts: 3106
Location: North Dakota | tnmagnolia - 2016-11-02 1:08 PM LMS - 2016-11-02 1:39 PM tnmagnolia - 2016-11-02 12:00 PM LMS - 2016-11-02 12:55 PM ., I can visibly see him off in the hind end, he holds his tail up and to the side, his hips seem uneven,
That is his hocks-IMO I completely agree! and assumed we would do them but we did not yesterday. I asked point blank do we need to do hocks and he said "no it is not needed" so now i'm out of money for a few weeks then I'll probably go get hocks done by my old faithful vet.
Just so upset with the fuel to haul, paying twice as normal for the name of the facility basically, and disappointed my horse is still not 100%
Just finished a 7 shot series of adequan and he is on osphos as well.
I know vets do not have a magic wand but i'm thinking more is wrong than normal thats why I didn't randomly inject.
Much better info in this post than your original post ..... I would certainly look closely at his shoeing....haven't changed anything have you? Also, if his hocks are good-have you looked at stifles? The hocks IMO are usually the first to show sore-BUT the stifles could also be an issue-I have known horses that need both injected for longer lasting effectiveness. Barefoot trims OR shoes whichever you choose-if the foot is poor it will result in a poor mover....just trying to rattle your cage with some ideas. Hope you get things figured out. |
|
| |
|
 Elite Veteran
Posts: 878
Location: "...way down south in the Everglades..." | Southtxponygirl - 2016-11-02 1:07 PM tnmagnolia - 2016-11-02 11:57 AM Southtxponygirl - 2016-11-02 11:40 AM GLP - 2016-11-02 8:55 AM
he listen to every word I had to say, he ran testes and found why I was so sick
Sorry but the spelling of tests made me laugh... Anyhow, to OP, I can totally understand your frustration. Had a similar experience in the past. Trust your gut and if possible try to find another vet closer. No harm in second opinion. And yes, I agree with the others to at least try chiro and/or massage in the meantime. I still have one that was never quite diagnosed. I ended up breeding her. Not sure if I'll try again after the baby is weaned or not...I don't want to go down the "mystery lameness" road with her again. |
|
| |
|
A Somebody to Everybody
Posts: 41354
Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | Speedy Buckeye Girl - 2016-11-02 4:10 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-11-02 1:07 PM tnmagnolia - 2016-11-02 11:57 AM Southtxponygirl - 2016-11-02 11:40 AM GLP - 2016-11-02 8:55 AM
he listen to every word I had to say, he ran testes and found why I was so sick
Sorry but the spelling of tests made me laugh...
Anyhow, to OP, I can totally understand your frustration. Had a similar experience in the past. Trust your gut and if possible try to find another vet closer. No harm in second opinion. And yes, I agree with the others to at least try chiro and/or massage in the meantime. I still have one that was never quite diagnosed. I ended up breeding her. Not sure if I'll try again after the baby is weaned or not...I don't want to go down the "mystery lameness" road with her again.
 |
|
| |
|
Member
Posts: 7
| I would maybe look into having check for ulcers. Ulcers can make them very uncomfortable not want to perform as you know they can. |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 1509
Location: TN | Much better info in this post than your original post ..... I would certainly look closely at his shoeing....haven't changed anything have you? Also, if his hocks are good-have you looked at stifles? The hocks IMO are usually the first to show sore-BUT the stifles could also be an issue-I have known horses that need both injected for longer lasting effectiveness. Barefoot trims OR shoes whichever you choose-if the foot is poor it will result in a poor mover....just trying to rattle your cage with some ideas. Hope you get things figured out.
Sorry my orginal post was just more of a vent.
Actually changed shoers a few months prior to him running his best to this guru guy from outta state that does some of the top horses in the East. So I think feet are good, but you never know. I like his angles and feet don't appear to be the problem. He has been treated for ulcers in the past because when I first bought him he showed synmptoms bad (gate refusal, rearing...all resulting from strained suspensory and hock problems that we injected for) and i've had him on management ever since for them. I wanted stifles and SI's looked at along with the spine but thats not what I got.
Spoke on the phone with my old faithful vet and we are gonna see how he does this weekend after having the coffin injected and if he is still not working then we will inject hocks and maybe stifles. He too says he sees him as not 100%.
I'm still angry about the whole situation I feel like writing a strongly worded email or leaving a bad facebook review but I guess I'll just sit on my hands and never spend my money with them again.
|
|
| |
When you can't find the problem...