|
|
 Extreme Veteran
Posts: 396
 
Location: Iowa | My gelding has this terrible habit of always blowing off 3rd barrel. I do tons of slow work trying to reiterate and over finish the barrel and I try to make sure that he is collected and has plenty of room going into 3rd however he just lunges out of it every time during a competitive run. I had him vet checked and the vet did not see anything, plus he always finishes 2nd which makes me belive he is not sore. I uploaded a video showing what he does. It is frustrating because we run in the 1d but cannot seem to win a race and I know if he would finish and power home we could clock better. Does anyone have any suggestions or drills I could do better! https://youtu.be/NgidWuODvak |
|
| |
|
 Shelter Dog Lover
Posts: 10277
| We had one doing this with my daughter, also was vetted and could not find anything. Our trainer switched him to the left and he was back, never blew off a barrel again and that was several years ago. |
|
| |
|
Location: Not Where I Want to Be | hard to tell from that angle, but ride him deeper into the pocket. Not wider but deeper. Give him more room on the back side to turn and see if that does not fix it.
|
|
| |
|
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 489
| I honestly cant tell much from that angle. Do you have anything videoed from closer to the 3rd barrel? |
|
| |
|
 Expert
Posts: 1857
 
| Have you tried sitting him down on the backside? Rate in normal spot but then stop him, back a step or two, crossover and then hustle him back out but head towards the first barrel, make a big circle between first a second and head back to third in position to do it again. at a walk, trot, and lope. A continuous drill. That way you're not over doing the pattern but he's heading towards the third in the same position if he had actually turned the second. |
|
| |
|
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 396
Location: Iowa | I have not tried running the left before, practiced a little to the left but never a competitive run before. Here is a different that shows a different angle. https://youtu.be/bkIKdSQcpOE |
|
| |
|
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 396
Location: Iowa | FlyingJT - 2016-11-14 1:48 PM
Have you tried sitting him down on the backside? Rate in normal spot but then stop him, back a step or two, crossover and then hustle him back out but head towards the first barrel, make a big circle between first a second and head back to third in position to do it again. at a walk, trot, and lope. A continuous drill. That way you're not over doing the pattern but he's heading towards the third in the same position if he had actually turned the second.
I am having a hard time understanding this pattern, could you draw it out for me? |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 1857
| Rausch_Jessica - 2016-11-14 1:56 PM
FlyingJT - 2016-11-14 1:48 PM
Have you tried sitting him down on the backside? Rate in normal spot but then stop him, back a step or two, crossover and then hustle him back out but head towards the first barrel, make a big circle between first a second and head back to third in position to do it again. at a walk, trot, and lope. A continuous drill. That way you're not over doing the pattern but he's heading towards the third in the same position if he had actually turned the second.
I am having a hard time understanding this pattern, could you draw it out for me?
picture a figure eight. You'll be leaving the third towards the first, passing first on the inside, circle around and head back to the third on the inside of second. He'll be looking at third the same way as if he had actually turned the second barrel. Also I missed writing it in there but you'll be stopping on the backside of third after you rate in your normal spot.
It's just as hard to explain as it is to imagine I guess.... lol
|
|
| |
|
 Straight Shooter
Posts: 5725
Location: SW North Dakota | A well qualified friend of mine gave me a couple of ideas to help correct something similar... She had me approach like normal and as soon as I felt him get stiff, bring him around and ask him to roll back toward the barrel, hustling his feet, and continue the roll backs all the way around the turn. (this was after any physical issue or saddle fit problem was ruled out). You CAN overdo this, but it worked great on my horse, and also encouraged him to be a little snappier in the turn. The other idea was a barrel set off to the right side of the third- finish the turn like "normal" then continue to the offset barrel and make a figure 8. |
|
| |
|
Veteran
Posts: 276
| Definitely starting the turn too soon causing you to "swoop" it. I would do a lot of drills to keep him freed up going in there, like another said, further deeper into the pocket, not wider. Make him go straight to the fence, counter-arcs, etc just keep him listening to you, not anticipating the turn. I watched a couple videos lately with some nice drills. I think one was by Jana Beam and one by Ashley Schafer... if you can find them, very helpful! I think he is doing it a little on the 2nd too, causing you to step out a little there, setting you up for an even bigger bobble on the third. You just don't have as much speed there so it is concealed a little.
Try to also really sit up straight in your saddle. It looks like when you want to help him on the backside you kind of lean in and run your hand up his neck where you don't have near as much power. Try sitting up straight, and pulling from closer to your hip and swells of your saddle, as well as using your outside leg.
Nice horse and you do a good job hustling him, so much time to make up if you are running 1D already! Good luck!! |
|
| |
|
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 396
Location: Iowa | FlyingJT - 2016-11-14 2:04 PM
Rausch_Jessica - 2016-11-14 1:56 PM
FlyingJT - 2016-11-14 1:48 PM
Have you tried sitting him down on the backside? Rate in normal spot but then stop him, back a step or two, crossover and then hustle him back out but head towards the first barrel, make a big circle between first a second and head back to third in position to do it again. at a walk, trot, and lope. A continuous drill. That way you're not over doing the pattern but he's heading towards the third in the same position if he had actually turned the second.
I am having a hard time understanding this pattern, could you draw it out for me?
picture a figure eight. You'll be leaving the third towards the first, passing first on the inside, circle around and head back to the third on the inside of second. He'll be looking at third the same way as if he had actually turned the second barrel. Also I missed writing it in there but you'll be stopping on the backside of third after you rate in your normal spot.
It's just as hard to explain as it is to imagine I guess.... lol
Figure 8, okay now I can picture it! Thank you!! |
|
| |
|
Nut Case Expert
Posts: 9305
Location: Tulsa, Ok | I see too big of a pocket which is causing him to swoop into the turn and fall out the backside. If you run him more directly to the third, he will have to pick up his shoulder and shape his whole body and then be able to hold it thru the entire turn. |
|
| |
|
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 396
Location: Iowa | SpaceCowboy - 2016-11-14 2:11 PM Definitely starting the turn too soon causing you to "swoop" it. I would do a lot of drills to keep him freed up going in there, like another said, further deeper into the pocket, not wider. Make him go straight to the fence, counter-arcs, etc just keep him listening to you, not anticipating the turn. I watched a couple videos lately with some nice drills. I think one was by Jana Beam and one by Ashley Schafer... if you can find them, very helpful! I think he is doing it a little on the 2nd too, causing you to step out a little there, setting you up for an even bigger bobble on the third. You just don't have as much speed there so it is concealed a little. Try to also really sit up straight in your saddle. It looks like when you want to help him on the backside you kind of lean in and run your hand up his neck where you don't have near as much power. Try sitting up straight, and pulling from closer to your hip and swells of your saddle, as well as using your outside leg. Nice horse and you do a good job hustling him, so much time to make up if you are running 1D already! Good luck!!
Swooping yes exactly what he is doing! And he tend to get stiff on the back side of only the 3rd. I will try to sit better and ride deeper into the pocket! |
|
| |
|
Straight Shooter
Posts: 5725
Location: SW North Dakota | Another little addtion to the swooping problem that you may want to consider, is driving him all the entry point of your 3rd barrel with both hands and the outside rein picked up. This helped my horse a lot. |
|
| |
|
 Take a Picture
Posts: 12841
| Starting your turn too soon. the horse is WAY too far fromt he barrel. Going in wide, starting turn too soon will always cause you to come off the barrel wide.
Instructions to correct. Ride two handed up into the barrel. Where the paths of your approach and where you leave the barrel cross, sit and pick up to rate. when your knee gets to the barrel, drop the out side rein. LET the horse turn and help finish the turn about 2/3 around the barrel. Should fix it right up.
We don't call this swooping, we call it going to the concession stand. If someone says you went all the way to the concession stand, you know you messed up.
Edited by streakysox 2016-11-14 4:06 PM
|
|
| |
|
 I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
Posts: 64864
Location: In the Hills of Texas | Nice horse!
I'm curious as where he is clocking?
I remember A World Champion's horse that did this and he won the World.
|
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 4766
Location: Bandera, TX | Keep his haunches engauged and his inside ribs supple that's the crux of the problem. The drills that the others suggested and the deeper longer will help as well. |
|
| |
|
The Advice Guru
Posts: 6419
| On the third I don't see him shortening his stride for the turn. He isn't rating the turn properly.
I also wouldn't be pushing him home when he blows off, as you are teaching him his pattern is good.
You may need to sacrifice a few runs and when he does blow off, collect him up and circle the third a few times then run home. |
|
| |
|
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 396
Location: Iowa | Thanks everyone for advice! Very much appreciated! |
|
| |
|
 Expert
Posts: 1612
Location: Cocoa, Florida | ND3canAddict - 2016-11-14 2:09 PM
A well qualified friend of mine gave me a couple of ideas to help correct something similar... She had me approach like normal and as soon as I felt him get stiff, bring him around and ask him to roll back toward the barrel, hustling his feet, and continue the roll backs all the way around the turn. (this was after any physical issue or saddle fit problem was ruled out). You CAN overdo this, but it worked great on my horse, and also encouraged him to be a little snappier in the turn. The other idea was a barrel set off to the right side of the third- finish the turn like "normal" then continue to the offset barrel and make a figure 8.
I was going to say something similar, a little exercise I do with mine to make them snappier and finish their turns better is to do a roll back on the last part of your turn and snap back on the wrong side of the barrel and trot or lope off fast. This teaches them to finish their turn strong and use that hind end. Just be careful not to do it to much or they wil get a little to snappy and possibly turn on the incorrect side during a run.
Edit: roll backs or 360s either way or try both
Edited by RnRJack 2016-11-14 10:33 PM
|
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 1612
Location: Cocoa, Florida | I zoomed in as best as I could, my advice like others may be similar by saying slow him down coming out of your second make sure you have a straight line to your third and don't step out to much (I run my horses straight to their pocket, or at least try lol). By slowing down you can focus on sitting back and maybe helping pull him around a tiny bit. What bit are you using? I'd say lots of walking and trotting for a while. If you slow down and don't "swoop" out so much you'll probably run the same if not faster time by not wasting so much time with all that room. JMO |
|
| |
|
Expert
Posts: 1509
Location: TN | Nevertooold - 2016-11-14 6:39 PM
Nice horse!
I'm curious as where he is clocking?
I remember A World Champion's horse that did this and he won the World.
There is a big red horse that does this and no matter whose riding him he will still take your money at every show lol
But anyways looks like he needs tuned on and some slow work to get him actually working that barrel rather than just whallering out on you.
|
|
| |
|
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 396
Location: Iowa | I use a combo bit on him. I tried a tie down for awhile but he stopped clocking quick. Lucky me he clockes mid 1D even with bobbles and just breezing the pattern.
|
|
| |
|
 Loves to compete
Posts: 5760
Location: Oakdale, CA | Nevertooold - 2016-11-14 3:39 PM Nice horse!
I'm curious as where he is clocking?
I remember A World Champion's horse that did this and he won the World.
I was thinking about this as well..............He is a really nice horse. heck though can't blame her for wanting first................
I have no advice but i love your horse!!! |
|
| |
|
 Off the Wall Wacky
Posts: 2981
Location: Louisiana | Ok I didn't read other responses...
My gelding used to do exactly that. Every run. For YEARS. I tried less room, more room, different bits, checking really hard. If he turned it, it was bc I slowed him down too much to win anything.
The first time he turned the 3rd, I had blown both stirrups and was holding on for dear life. All I did at the third was shake the reins at him and pray haha. And it was his best 3rd ever.
So the next night I fought all my instincts and ran him hard up into the third and just sat down and held on, and it was a repeat.
His trick is to drive him in hard, straight at the barrel. One stride before, I ask for a big step right and just sit at the same time. I don't check, I don't pull. I just sit down and hold on and he turns it.
It took me literally 5 years to figure that out.
Good luck!!
|
|
| |
|
Extreme Veteran
Posts: 396
Location: Iowa | dashnlotti - 2016-11-15 4:46 PM
Ok I didn't read other responses...
My gelding used to do exactly that. Every run. For YEARS. I tried less room, more room, different bits, checking really hard. If he turned it, it was bc I slowed him down too much to win anything.
The first time he turned the 3rd, I had blown both stirrups and was holding on for dear life. All I did at the third was shake the reins at him and pray haha. And it was his best 3rd ever.
So the next night I fought all my instincts and ran him hard up into the third and just sat down and held on, and it was a repeat.
His trick is to drive him in hard, straight at the barrel. One stride before, I ask for a big step right and just sit at the same time. I don't check, I don't pull. I just sit down and hold on and he turns it.
It took me literally 5 years to figure that out.
Good luck!!
It is crazy you say that, because at the barrel bash the other weekend, the exact same thing happened to me! Best third I ever had, thought it was a fluke deal! |
|
| |
Calling All Problem Solvers!!