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How can we stop this? Anyone know?? I have no idea who the people representing my state in the EC are.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/two-presidential-electors-to...
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | rodeoveteran - 2016-11-14 7:56 PM So below is a link to a news article where a member of the Electoral College is starting a Dump Trump movement and encouraging other members to NOT vote how the voters have commanded them to. He vows to write in either Kasich or Romney...if he gets enough (two have already said they would NOT vote as the election in their respective states have voted them to do ) Hillary could conceivably be President. IMHO, they should pay a heavy price (jail maybe?? ) for not voting as the results of the election has told them to do. How can we stop this? Anyone know?? I have no idea who the people representing my state in the EC are. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/two-presidential-electors-to...
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Location: Ky | rodeoveteran - 2016-11-14 7:56 PM So below is a link to a news article where a member of the Electoral College is starting a Dump Trump movement and encouraging other members to NOT vote how the voters have commanded them to. He vows to write in either Kasich or Romney...if he gets enough (two have already said they would NOT vote as the election in their respective states have voted them to do ) Hillary could conceivably be President. IMHO, they should pay a heavy price (jail maybe?? ) for not voting as the results of the election has told them to do. How can we stop this? Anyone know?? I have no idea who the people representing my state in the EC are. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/two-presidential-electors-to...
Jail? Seriously? It's not illegal for electors to vote differently than committed by the vote. And Clinton won the popular vote.
But, it's not going to happen. There may be a rogue elector or two? Trump won the election and will be certified. It's much ado about nothing.
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| RocketPilot - 2016-11-14 9:57 PM
Internet (probably Facebook) B.S.
It was on my MSN news crawl, not FB....but maybe THEY got it from FB. You never know these days.
Edited to add...My jail maybe comment might be a knee jerk reaction but I am so OVER politicians. ALL of them. They say they will do one thing then do what ever the heck they want. SOMEONE needs to be held accountable, I have to be accountable for my actions and promises, why do they constantly get a free pass. Sigh, glad that I only have maybe 8 more Presidential election cycles to go through. If I had a kid that said they wanted to become a politician I might have to disown them. lol.
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| Absentee ballots need to be counted. My understanding is they are only counted in some if not most states when there are more absentee ballots than the margin of victory. I also read somewhere that absentee ballots have historically swing republican.
So if we actually counted all the votes, she may not have even won the popular vote.
It's also something to be aware of when deciding to vote absentee - your vote may actually not count. That's some BS in my opinion. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | All this fretting over absentee ballots is an exercise in futility. There seems to be a lot of myths circulating out there regarding a couple of rogue EC electors, absentee ballots, who won the popular vote, etc...
The outcome of the election is determined. The EC votes in about a month. Trump won the election. There is no "wheeling and dealing" of EC votes. All absentee ballots are eventually counted within a month of the election, even if those votes stand no chance of effecting the outcome in a given states.
Hillary is still crying, curled up in a catatonic state. She will not be president.
Trump is busy trying to put together his cabinet, and his early agenda.
Obama just wants to get the hell out of the WH and back to community organizing and golf.
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| I can only HOPE that Obama wants to go home and play golf. I read somewhere that he was being or after the position of UN president (the current one is leaving soon?). Either he or Hillary scares me in that position. I do NOT know how the UN works, as to how one becomes a nation's representative. We to much power over to the Un over the years....do I remember Hillary or someone else at least wanting to place our children under their jurisdiction.
I used to think the UN was a good thing and would wonder at the "Get US out of the UN" signs I occasionally see, now I agree.
The point being that there are places he can still do damage (Hillary too, tho' there is the age thing), so I can only hope that his influence will go away.
I do not really fear that Trump will lose the EC, he has a strong enough lead (I hope). It is just the fact that they can not vote for who they are sent there to vote for. Really piffs me off. In a nutshell, why I HATE politics. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | rodeoveteran - 2016-11-15 8:51 AM
I can only HOPE that Obama wants to go home and play golf. I read somewhere that he was being or after the position of UN president (the current one is leaving soon?). Either he or Hillary scares me in that position. I do NOT know how the UN works, as to how one becomes a nation's representative. We to much power over to the Un over the years....do I remember Hillary or someone else at least wanting to place our children under their jurisdiction.
I used to think the UN was a good thing and would wonder at the "Get US out of the UN" signs I occasionally see, now I agree.
The point being that there are places he can still do damage (Hillary too, tho' there is the age thing), so I can only hope that his influence will go away.
I do not really fear that Trump will lose the EC, he has a strong enough lead (I hope). It is just the fact that they can not vote for who they are sent there to vote for. Really piffs me off. In a nutshell, why I HATE politics.
The UN has been largely impotent since it's inception. Most "peace keeping" efforts have been weak and limp-wristed. Theoretically, at least, they have played some humanitarian roles, but even those efforts are corrupt because of the vermin that run the organization. The "oil-for-food" scandal is a classic example. Violations of UN resolutions are commonplace. They have no teeth.
The U.S. pays for roughly 1/4 of the entire UN budget, out of roughly 200 member states. Our GDP increase in recent years has been a paltry 1-2%, while China's has been on the order of 8-9%, yet China pays about 5% of the UN's budget.
The UN, theoretically, could be an effective organization, but they are not. They need to have their feet held to the fire, because the U.S. has been doing their job for them and paying a disproportionate share of the bills. We can't afford to do it anymore. They need to step up, or relocate somewhere that might motivate them more effectively....like Jerulsalem or Beiruit, for example. |
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Location: Back in MT BABY!!! | This happend during the Clinton election for us years ago...Montana of course voted republican and our 3 electoral votes when casted went to Bill. :(
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| The USA should walk away from the UNITED NATIONS as it is a body of anti USA muslim countries these days and the UN wants and is meddling in our business and politics. There is no sense of funding our enemies. ALSO the UNITED NATIONS SHOULD BE FORCED TO MOVE THEIR SPIES OUT OF THE USA TO ONE OF THEIR ISLAMIC COUNTRIES. The crazy part is we allow them to enjoy our freedoms while they are trying to take us down ... grrrrr
HISTORY LESSON ON ELECTORAL COLLEGE AND WHY IT IS SO IMPORTANT!!
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Location: Kansas | There's no sore loser like a liberal sore loser. Obama was in Greece today telling folks who didn't give a rats butt how Republicans had been taken in by Trump rhetoric (in so many words). When you're speaking in another country you should not make a division between Republicans and Democrats......we're all Americans.
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SO GET USED TO HIM BEING IN THE UNITED NATIONS AS SECRETARY GENERAL BY 2018 AND ON TV ALL THE TIME ...
SPEWING HIS COMMUNISTIC ISLAMIC CRAP ... WHILE USING THE UN TO BOLSTER HIS ATTACK AND USE THEIR ONE WORLD AGENDA TO USE AS AN ATTACK ON THE USA ....
TIME TO KICK THE UN OUT OF THE USA AND NO MORE FUNDING
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| Frodo - 2016-11-15 3:16 PM
There's no sore loser like a liberal sore loser. Obama was in Greece today telling folks who didn't give a rats butt how Republicans had been taken in by Trump rhetoric (in so many words). When you're speaking in another country you should not make a division between Republicans and Democrats......we're all Americans.
In MY view, Obozo has NO clue what a REAL American even IS. I don't think he's EVER wanted for the good of this country, it was all HIS agenda that mattered. |
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Location: Florida | At this point Hillary is ahead by one million votes, but the out dated electorial college is once again circumventing the popular vote. If things were reversed how would all you Trumpsters be reacting? I heard before the election that there would be a revolt, marches on the capitol, etc. Now all of a sudden the electorial college is great and the election wasn't rigged. Hypocracy is on full display in the Republican party. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Vickie - 2016-11-16 6:32 PM At this point Hillary is ahead by one million votes, but the out dated electorial college is once again circumventing the popular vote. If things were reversed how would all you Trumpsters be reacting? I heard before the election that there would be a revolt, marches on the capitol, etc. Now all of a sudden the electorial college is great and the election wasn't rigged. Hypocracy is on full display in the Republican party.
I have always supported the electoral college because I actually understand how it works. We are not a democracy,we're a republic, and that's a Good Thing. |
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Vickie - 2016-11-16 6:32 PM
At this point Hillary is ahead by one million votes, but the out dated electorial college is once again circumventing the popular vote. If things were reversed how would all you Trumpsters be reacting? I heard before the election that there would be a revolt, marches on the capitol, etc. Now all of a sudden the electorial college is great and the election wasn't rigged. Hypocracy is on full display in the Republican party.
Sour grapes, Vickie?
I have news for you, buttercup. The electoral college is based upon a compromise that kept the United States of America "united" when this country was born. Are you aware of that fact? I've never ever been in favor of a straight popular vote in presidential elections.
Are you even remotely aware of the principles behind the Electoral College?
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| Vickie - 2016-11-16 5:32 PM
At this point Hillary is ahead by one million votes, but the out dated electorial college is once again circumventing the popular vote. If things were reversed how would all you Trumpsters be reacting? I heard before the election that there would be a revolt, marches on the capitol, etc. Now all of a sudden the electorial college is great and the election wasn't rigged. Hypocracy is on full display in the Republican party.
The electoral college was created to stop tyranny and voter fraud. Our forefathers were very smart. They knew that a true democracy would never work due to fraud. Like illegals voting, dead people voting, Snow White and all 7 dwarves voting, etc.
I seriously doubt Hillary won the popular vote once you get rid of the ridiculious fraud the democrats have no problem using. |
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Location: Wonderful Wyoming | SKM - 2016-11-16 6:15 PM Vickie - 2016-11-16 5:32 PM At this point Hillary is ahead by one million votes, but the out dated electorial college is once again circumventing the popular vote. If things were reversed how would all you Trumpsters be reacting? I heard before the election that there would be a revolt, marches on the capitol, etc. Now all of a sudden the electorial college is great and the election wasn't rigged. Hypocracy is on full display in the Republican party. The electoral college was created to stop tyranny and voter fraud. Our forefathers were very smart. They knew that a true democracy would never work due to fraud. Like illegals voting, dead people voting, Snow White and all 7 dwarves voting, etc. I seriously doubt Hillary won the popular vote once you get rid of the ridiculious fraud the democrats have no problem using.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | Here you go Vickie. If you just watch this for 10 minutes, you will settle down and you will appreciate the brilliance of our founding fathers. This is basically why we have the EC. Hopefully you will appreciate this.
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| Vickie - 2016-11-16 6:32 PM
At this point Hillary is ahead by one million votes, but the out dated electorial college is once again circumventing the popular vote. If things were reversed how would all you Trumpsters be reacting? I heard before the election that there would be a revolt, marches on the capitol, etc. Now all of a sudden the electorial college is great and the election wasn't rigged. Hypocracy is on full display in the Republican party.
Well Vickie feel free to amend the Constitution, All it takes is two thirds of both houses of congress to make the proposal. Or you can get two thirds of the states to make the proposal. And than you have to get three fourths of the states to ratify. Easy right!!! Just one question do you really think small states like Montana, Wy. Maine NH. ND, SD,Vermount, Alaska, Ext. are going to go along with giving up their voice? |
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| Vickie - 2016-11-16 6:32 PM At this point Hillary is ahead by one million votes, but the out dated electorial college is once again circumventing the popular vote. If things were reversed how would all you Trumpsters be reacting? I heard before the election that there would be a revolt, marches on the capitol, etc. Now all of a sudden the electorial college is great and the election wasn't rigged. Hypocracy is on full display in the Republican party.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jbhoot - 2016-11-16 7:45 PM
Vickie - 2016-11-16 6:32 PM
At this point Hillary is ahead by one million votes, but the out dated electorial college is once again circumventing the popular vote. If things were reversed how would all you Trumpsters be reacting? I heard before the election that there would be a revolt, marches on the capitol, etc. Now all of a sudden the electorial college is great and the election wasn't rigged. Hypocracy is on full display in the Republican party.
Well Vickie feel free to amend the Constitution, All it takes is two thirds of both houses of congress to make the proposal. Or you can get two thirds of the states to make the proposal. And than you have to get three fourths of the states to ratify. Easy right!!! Just one question do you really think small states like Montana, Wy. Maine NH. ND, SD,Vermount, Alaska, Ext. are going to go along with giving up their voice?
Go easy on Vickie. Barbara Boxer, one of the more erudite of the Democrat party and she thinks the EC can simply be eliminated and replaced by a popular vote with a simple act of congress. |
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Location: Windoming | Vickie - 2016-11-16 5:32 PM At this point Hillary is ahead by one million votes, but the out dated electorial college is once again circumventing the popular vote. If things were reversed how would all you Trumpsters be reacting? I heard before the election that there would be a revolt, marches on the capitol, etc. Now all of a sudden the electorial college is great and the election wasn't rigged. Hypocracy is on full display in the Republican party.
Um, isn't that exactly what is happening now, revolts, marches, riots....................... |
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Location: Ky | Silly Filly - 2016-11-17 10:36 AM Vickie - 2016-11-16 5:32 PM At this point Hillary is ahead by one million votes, but the out dated electorial college is once again circumventing the popular vote. If things were reversed how would all you Trumpsters be reacting? I heard before the election that there would be a revolt, marches on the capitol, etc. Now all of a sudden the electorial college is great and the election wasn't rigged. Hypocracy is on full display in the Republican party. Um, isn't that exactly what is happening now, revolts, marches, riots.......................
Yes, and they are just as wrong as would have been the GOP protesters. But the dems were not calling for the electoral college to be abolished before the election, Trump was. The dems were not calling it a rigged election, Trump was.
Now that Trump won a rigged election and only the electoral vote at that, it is glaring hyprcrisy. That's not news.
They all need a good dose of STFU. This is how it works in our country that was great even while Trump claimed it wasn't.
We have to move forward with what we have. I understand the people that say they can't live in a country that has Trump as president. So goodbye to them!! Another great thing about our country is that they are free to leave. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | jd&ez - 2016-11-17 10:42 AM Silly Filly - 2016-11-17 10:36 AM Vickie - 2016-11-16 5:32 PM At this point Hillary is ahead by one million votes, but the out dated electorial college is once again circumventing the popular vote. If things were reversed how would all you Trumpsters be reacting? I heard before the election that there would be a revolt, marches on the capitol, etc. Now all of a sudden the electorial college is great and the election wasn't rigged. Hypocracy is on full display in the Republican party. Um, isn't that exactly what is happening now, revolts, marches, riots.......................
Now that Trump won a rigged election and only the electoral vote at that, it is glaring hyprcrisy. That's not news.
They all need a good dose of STFU. This is how it works in our country that was great even while Trump claimed it wasn't.
We have to move forward with what we have. I understand the people that say they can't live in a country that has Trump as president. So goodbye to them!! Another great thing about our country is that they are free to leave.
IMO not many people really understand how our govt works or why the electoral college was a good idea. I have seen many conservative types who thought the EC was bad, but now that they have seen it work as intended and have a better understanding of the purpose, have freely admitted to being wrong. Is it a bad thing to learn a lesson and change your mind when your understanding improves? I personally think it could be improved upon by splitting votes according to congressional districts rather than winner take all, but that is a state issue and should remain a state issue.
Anyone who would like to learn more about the EC should follow Tara Ross on FB. She also does short history lessons that are fascinating. |
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Location: Ky | Three 4 Luck - 2016-11-17 11:17 AM jd&ez - 2016-11-17 10:42 AM Silly Filly - 2016-11-17 10:36 AM Vickie - 2016-11-16 5:32 PM At this point Hillary is ahead by one million votes, but the out dated electorial college is once again circumventing the popular vote. If things were reversed how would all you Trumpsters be reacting? I heard before the election that there would be a revolt, marches on the capitol, etc. Now all of a sudden the electorial college is great and the election wasn't rigged. Hypocracy is on full display in the Republican party. Um, isn't that exactly what is happening now, revolts, marches, riots.......................
Now that Trump won a rigged election and only the electoral vote at that, it is glaring hyprcrisy. That's not news.
They all need a good dose of STFU. This is how it works in our country that was great even while Trump claimed it wasn't.
We have to move forward with what we have. I understand the people that say they can't live in a country that has Trump as president. So goodbye to them!! Another great thing about our country is that they are free to leave.
Anyone who would like to learn more about the EC should follow Tara Ross on FB. She also does short history lessons that are fascinating.
Haha!! They didn't change their opinion because of some higher learning. They changed because of the outcome. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Maybe the outcome got their attention and highlighted why it works and a lightbulb went off. I can't really say that more of one side or the other disliked the EC, it seems to be a common sentiment among people from both sides to think we live in a democracy and the popular vote should rule. Civics was a required high school course when I was in school, and then I had to have government in college as well...not sure if other people weren't paying attention or maybe had sucky teachers. |
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| SKM - 2016-11-16 7:15 PM Vickie - 2016-11-16 5:32 PM At this point Hillary is ahead by one million votes, but the out dated electorial college is once again circumventing the popular vote. If things were reversed how would all you Trumpsters be reacting? I heard before the election that there would be a revolt, marches on the capitol, etc. Now all of a sudden the electorial college is great and the election wasn't rigged. Hypocracy is on full display in the Republican party. The electoral college was created to stop tyranny and voter fraud. Our forefathers were very smart. They knew that a true democracy would never work due to fraud. Like illegals voting, dead people voting, Snow White and all 7 dwarves voting, etc. I seriously doubt Hillary won the popular vote once you get rid of the ridiculious fraud the democrats have no problem using.
As outdated as the super delegates that got Hillary the nomination over Sanders even though he had the popular vote-pin most states -can't have it both ways. Where was the complaining about the system then??? |
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Location: Kansas | jd&ez - 2016-11-17 10:42 AM Silly Filly - 2016-11-17 10:36 AM Vickie - 2016-11-16 5:32 PM At this point Hillary is ahead by one million votes, but the out dated electorial college is once again circumventing the popular vote. If things were reversed how would all you Trumpsters be reacting? I heard before the election that there would be a revolt, marches on the capitol, etc. Now all of a sudden the electorial college is great and the election wasn't rigged. Hypocracy is on full display in the Republican party. Um, isn't that exactly what is happening now, revolts, marches, riots.......................
Now that Trump won a rigged election and only the electoral vote at that, it is glaring hyprcrisy. That's not news.
They all need a good dose of STFU. This is how it works in our country that was great even while Trump claimed it wasn't.
We have to move forward with what we have. I understand the people that say they can't live in a country that has Trump as president. So goodbye to them!! Another great thing about our country is that they are free to leave.
$21 trillion dollars of debt that was $8 trillion when Obama came into office, Obamacare, a country so divided that thousands of crybaby liberal morons are protesting in the streets because they didn't get their way, millions out of work, millions on food stamps and welfare and receiving free medical compliments of U.S. taxpayers. Millions of illegal invaders from every country you can think of freely walking our streets. I ran into two of these at Kohl's the other day, couldn't get a Kohl's card because they didn't have a driver's license yet they drove to this store......no driver's license no insurance right? And of course there's ISIS.
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Location: Ky | Frodo - 2016-11-17 12:23 PM jd&ez - 2016-11-17 10:42 AM Silly Filly - 2016-11-17 10:36 AM Vickie - 2016-11-16 5:32 PM At this point Hillary is ahead by one million votes, but the out dated electorial college is once again circumventing the popular vote. If things were reversed how would all you Trumpsters be reacting? I heard before the election that there would be a revolt, marches on the capitol, etc. Now all of a sudden the electorial college is great and the election wasn't rigged. Hypocracy is on full display in the Republican party. Um, isn't that exactly what is happening now, revolts, marches, riots.......................
Now that Trump won a rigged election and only the electoral vote at that, it is glaring hyprcrisy. That's not news.
They all need a good dose of STFU. This is how it works in our country that was great even while Trump claimed it wasn't.
We have to move forward with what we have. I understand the people that say they can't live in a country that has Trump as president. So goodbye to them!! Another great thing about our country is that they are free to leave.
$21 trillion dollars of debt that was $8 trillion when Obama came into office, Obamacare, a country so divided that thousands of crybaby liberal morons are protesting in the streets because they didn't get their way, millions out of work, millions on food stamps and welfare and receiving free medical compliments of U.S. taxpayers. Millions of illegal invaders from every country you can think of freely walking our streets. I ran into two of these at Kohl's the other day, couldn't get a Kohl's card because they didn't have a driver's license yet they drove to this store......no driver's license no insurance right? And of course there's ISIS.
I don't question Trump's remarks about this country not being a great country. I say he is wrong. And anyone else that says America is not a great country is wrong.
So, if you are with him on his attack on America then you are just as wrong.
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Location: Ky | jbhoot - 2016-11-17 1:45 PM Here is the part I just don't get about the liberal position. Ok it looks like Hillary will win the popular vote primarily from two states NY. and Cal. So do you want two of the most populated states telling the rest of the 48 states drop dead we have more people we win? The fact is Trump not only won the EC but he won 30 states to Hillary's 20 so isn't that majority rules? Isn't that what you want? Or is it that liberals just don't believe in states rights.
That is not a liberal position. That's an individual position. There's supposed conservatives that don't agree with the EC. In fact, the trumpers didn't agree with it at all when they thought Clinton was going to win. So spin away. It doesn't change facts. |
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| jd&ez - 2016-11-17 6:42 PM
jbhoot - 2016-11-17 1:45 PM Here is the part I just don't get about the liberal position. Ok it looks like Hillary will win the popular vote primarily from two states NY. and Cal. So do you want two of the most populated states telling the rest of the 48 states drop dead we have more people we win? The fact is Trump not only won the EC but he won 30 states to Hillary's 20 so isn't that majority rules? Isn't that what you want? Or is it that liberals just don't believe in states rights.
That is not a liberal position. That's an individual position. There's supposed conservatives that don't agree with the EC. In fact, the trumpers didn't agree with it at all when they thought Clinton was going to win. So spin away. It doesn't change facts.
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Location: Bastrop, Texas | jd&ez - 2016-11-17 6:40 PM
Frodo - 2016-11-17 12:23 PM jd&ez - 2016-11-17 10:42 AM Silly Filly - 2016-11-17 10:36 AM Vickie - 2016-11-16 5:32 PM At this point Hillary is ahead by one million votes, but the out dated electorial college is once again circumventing the popular vote. If things were reversed how would all you Trumpsters be reacting? I heard before the election that there would be a revolt, marches on the capitol, etc. Now all of a sudden the electorial college is great and the election wasn't rigged. Hypocracy is on full display in the Republican party. Um, isn't that exactly what is happening now, revolts, marches, riots.......................
Now that Trump won a rigged election and only the electoral vote at that, it is glaring hyprcrisy. That's not news.
They all need a good dose of STFU. This is how it works in our country that was great even while Trump claimed it wasn't.
We have to move forward with what we have. I understand the people that say they can't live in a country that has Trump as president. So goodbye to them!! Another great thing about our country is that they are free to leave.
$21 trillion dollars of debt that was $8 trillion when Obama came into office, Obamacare, a country so divided that thousands of crybaby liberal morons are protesting in the streets because they didn't get their way, millions out of work, millions on food stamps and welfare and receiving free medical compliments of U.S. taxpayers. Millions of illegal invaders from every country you can think of freely walking our streets. I ran into two of these at Kohl's the other day, couldn't get a Kohl's card because they didn't have a driver's license yet they drove to this store......no driver's license no insurance right? And of course there's ISIS.
So, if you are with him on his attack on America then you are just as wrong.
Does that clear up the questioning part?
Trump has elaborated on "Make America Great Again".
We don't win on trade.
Our jobs have left the country.
We didn't win on NAFTA.
We don't win with China.
We don't win on the economy.
We don't win when it comes to healthcare.
We don't win in education.
We don't win when it comes to enforcing illegal immigration jobs.
We don't win when it comes to law and order.
We don't win when it comes to maintaining our military might.
We don't win when we don't put America first.
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As I predicted, it has started. Electoral college