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Location: Bandera, TX | I’m sorry to hear you are dealing with it. My mare had it first in the spring of 2014. No neurological issues, but bucking and loosing weight. Three vets told me that she does not have EPM. I insisted on the test and her levels were extremely high on the Pathogenes test. We treated with Oroquin. My mare also had a suspensory injury and she was off for over one year. It took a while to get the EPM titers down to a somewhat normal level.
We started running barrels again a year ago, all was well, but she started falling apart on me again about three weeks ago. EPM titer high again. Treating her now with Protazil.
All EPM is different and it seems all horses react differently to the various types of treatment. I hope yours gets better soon.
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| scwebster - 2016-11-29 9:47 AM
Hey guys. Ive gone back and read several posts about EPM. Unfortunatly I am dealing with this first hand. The good thing is there are very mild symptoms and I am hopeful that treatment will be sucessful. Can anyone who has delt with this tell me about your treatment experience? Is there any one medicine that is superior than the others? How long will I need to lay the horse off? Can I hope for complete recovery? Is this cureable or just manageable? A little back story, we had no idea anything was wrong until we had a check up at the vet. She was litterally running barrels perfectly last week. She tested positive via blood test. Thanks in advance
most horses will test positive with a blood test. I'd get a spinal tap done and then determine if she has it.
Marquis was a waste of money, Diclazuril 5-day IV worked great, Orogin/levamisole also worked good. I also tried a 30day compound from Weatherford, I think it was Diclazuril/Levamisole/and something else that I can't remember. It worked ok but I would use it as a follow up after one of the above treatments. It would appear to work until you stopped giving it and then 10-20 days later I would notice symptoms again.
Complete recovery for the two I caught early. Partial recovery, no neurological damage but already had the muscle wasting and it never returned. He's a kid horse now.
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| FlyingJT - 2016-11-29 10:08 AM scwebster - 2016-11-29 9:47 AM Hey guys. Ive gone back and read several posts about EPM. Unfortunatly I am dealing with this first hand. The good thing is there are very mild symptoms and I am hopeful that treatment will be sucessful. Can anyone who has delt with this tell me about your treatment experience? Is there any one medicine that is superior than the others? How long will I need to lay the horse off? Can I hope for complete recovery? Is this cureable or just manageable? A little back story, we had no idea anything was wrong until we had a check up at the vet. She was litterally running barrels perfectly last week. She tested positive via blood test. Thanks in advance most horses will test positive with a blood test. I'd get a spinal tap done and then determine if she has it. Marquis was a waste of money, Diclazuril 5-day IV worked great, Orogin/levamisole also worked good. I also tried a 30day compound from Weatherford, I think it was Diclazuril/Levamisole/and something else that I can't remember. It worked ok but I would use it as a follow up after one of the above treatments. It would appear to work until you stopped giving it and then 10-20 days later I would notice symptoms again. Complete recovery for the two I caught early. Partial recovery, no neurological damage but already had the muscle wasting and it never returned. He's a kid horse now. I think it's curable but the damage it does to the nervous system (if not caught early enough ) I don't believe it ever repairs itself.
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| GoMistyGo - 2016-11-29 9:58 AM I’m sorry to hear you are dealing with it. My mare had it first in the spring of 2014. No neurological issues, but bucking and loosing weight. Three vets told me that she does not have EPM. I insisted on the test and her levels were extremely high on the Pathogenes test. We treated with Oroquin. My mare also had a suspensory injury and she was off for over one year. It took a while to get the EPM titers down to a somewhat normal level.
We started running barrels again a year ago, all was well, but she started falling apart on me again about three weeks ago. EPM titer high again. Treating her now with Protazil.
All EPM is different and it seems all horses react differently to the various types of treatment. I hope yours gets better soon.
Thank you. She tested "high positive" I am currently seeking a second opinon to be sure. I am a little blown away because watching her ride around and work you wouldnt think anything was wrong. |
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| scwebster - 2016-11-29 10:19 AM
FlyingJT - 2016-11-29 10:08 AM scwebster - 2016-11-29 9:47 AM Hey guys. Ive gone back and read several posts about EPM. Unfortunatly I am dealing with this first hand. The good thing is there are very mild symptoms and I am hopeful that treatment will be sucessful. Can anyone who has delt with this tell me about your treatment experience? Is there any one medicine that is superior than the others? How long will I need to lay the horse off? Can I hope for complete recovery? Is this cureable or just manageable? A little back story, we had no idea anything was wrong until we had a check up at the vet. She was litterally running barrels perfectly last week. She tested positive via blood test. Thanks in advance most horses will test positive with a blood test. I'd get a spinal tap done and then determine if she has it. Marquis was a waste of money, Diclazuril 5-day IV worked great, Orogin/levamisole also worked good. I also tried a 30day compound from Weatherford, I think it was Diclazuril/Levamisole/and something else that I can't remember. It worked ok but I would use it as a follow up after one of the above treatments. It would appear to work until you stopped giving it and then 10-20 days later I would notice symptoms again. Complete recovery for the two I caught early. Partial recovery, no neurological damage but already had the muscle wasting and it never returned. He's a kid horse now. I think it's curable but the damage it does to the nervous system (if not caught early enough ) I don't believe it ever repairs itself.
Orogin/Levamisole was the cheapest, I believe 250-300. The Diclazuril was 500-600. Stayed at the vets for 5 days so it included the treatment and boarding. I liked the Diclazuril because it was quick, I'd go with it again if I had to. If you have stalls at you're home and the time you could probably do it yourself and save the money from the boarding.
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| FlyingJT - 2016-11-29 10:27 AM scwebster - 2016-11-29 10:19 AM FlyingJT - 2016-11-29 10:08 AM scwebster - 2016-11-29 9:47 AM Hey guys. Ive gone back and read several posts about EPM. Unfortunatly I am dealing with this first hand. The good thing is there are very mild symptoms and I am hopeful that treatment will be sucessful. Can anyone who has delt with this tell me about your treatment experience? Is there any one medicine that is superior than the others? How long will I need to lay the horse off? Can I hope for complete recovery? Is this cureable or just manageable? A little back story, we had no idea anything was wrong until we had a check up at the vet. She was litterally running barrels perfectly last week. She tested positive via blood test. Thanks in advance most horses will test positive with a blood test. I'd get a spinal tap done and then determine if she has it. Marquis was a waste of money, Diclazuril 5-day IV worked great, Orogin/levamisole also worked good. I also tried a 30day compound from Weatherford, I think it was Diclazuril/Levamisole/and something else that I can't remember. It worked ok but I would use it as a follow up after one of the above treatments. It would appear to work until you stopped giving it and then 10-20 days later I would notice symptoms again. Complete recovery for the two I caught early. Partial recovery, no neurological damage but already had the muscle wasting and it never returned. He's a kid horse now. I think it's curable but the damage it does to the nervous system (if not caught early enough ) I don't believe it ever repairs itself. Orogin/Levamisole was the cheapest, I believe 250-300. The Diclazuril was 500-600. Stayed at the vets for 5 days so it included the treatment and boarding. I liked the Diclazuril because it was quick, I'd go with it again if I had to. If you have stalls at you're home and the time you could probably do it yourself and save the money from the boarding.
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Location: Smack Dab in the Middle | I had a mare that we actually (in hindsight) think she had it for at least a couple of years before I got a diagnosis. She worked a pretty pattern, but had gone through a bout of refusing the gate--just freezing in the alley and refusing to go in. We frequently had sore feet--thought it was being barefoot...she stubbed her toe often, usually on the third barrel, but never fell. She would have footfall rhythm problems. She would randomly, and violently pull back. She would grind her teeth and tilt her head. She was flightly--nuttier than a squirrel turd sometimes. And she could be a hard keeper--very similar to an ulcer horse. She also had HORRIBLE heat cycles that seemed to never end. But she worked, and even tho I took her to multiple vets saying something is wrong, no one diagnosed her.
She got very foot sore--which I didn't really get alarmed about because the ground was frozen, then fell on her face one evening right after the farrier hammered on a shoe--then couldn't pick any of her other feet up. The next day she stood off by herself from the other horses, then the next morning she could barely walk! I had a fairly new vet, and she's the one that finally diagnosed her. Tested positive, and we treated with Oroquin10--about $250 at that time.
My mare did a complete 180. I didn't actually lay her off that long--around 6 weeks, and I ponied her during that time to keep her legged up. I didn't do it during the 10 day treatment. Went from making a pretty 3D/4D pattern to a 1D horse in a few runs. Ran in the top 20 at 300+ entry races. And she looked phenomenal! No more hard keeper. I did have to maintain her--I treated her early every spring before transitional heat, just as a precaution, since her heat cycles had seemed to be a trigger. And I kept her on the detox dose of Animal Element Detox--which I truly believe is both what saved her life and what almost killed her. I had her on AE maintenance dose when no one could diagnose her. I let her run out about a month before she got to the point she couldn't walk--because I didn't know that it was doing her any good, and thought I'd eliminate an expense...
She made a full recovery with that minimal maintenance and became the horse I only dreamed she could be. She did end up dying suddenly at a young age (only 9) but we can't say if it was EPM related. I didn't post her, and it appeared to be a pulmonary embolism and she died in the trailer on the way home from a barrel race (hours after her run). Again, we don't know if it was related. |
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| RockinGR - 2016-11-29 10:49 AM I had a mare that we actually (in hindsight) think she had it for at least a couple of years before I got a diagnosis. She worked a pretty pattern, but had gone through a bout of refusing the gate--just freezing in the alley and refusing to go in. We frequently had sore feet--thought it was being barefoot...she stubbed her toe often, usually on the third barrel, but never fell. She would have footfall rhythm problems. She would randomly, and violently pull back. She would grind her teeth and tilt her head. She was flightly--nuttier than a squirrel turd sometimes. And she could be a hard keeper--very similar to an ulcer horse. She also had HORRIBLE heat cycles that seemed to never end. But she worked, and even tho I took her to multiple vets saying something is wrong, no one diagnosed her. She got very foot sore--which I didn't really get alarmed about because the ground was frozen, then fell on her face one evening right after the farrier hammered on a shoe--then couldn't pick any of her other feet up. The next day she stood off by herself from the other horses, then the next morning she could barely walk! I had a fairly new vet, and she's the one that finally diagnosed her. Tested positive, and we treated with Oroquin10--about $250 at that time. My mare did a complete 180. I didn't actually lay her off that long--around 6 weeks, and I ponied her during that time to keep her legged up. I didn't do it during the 10 day treatment. Went from making a pretty 3D/4D pattern to a 1D horse in a few runs. Ran in the top 20 at 300+ entry races. And she looked phenomenal! No more hard keeper. I did have to maintain her--I treated her early every spring before transitional heat, just as a precaution, since her heat cycles had seemed to be a trigger. And I kept her on the detox dose of Animal Element Detox--which I truly believe is both what saved her life and what almost killed her. I had her on AE maintenance dose when no one could diagnose her. I let her run out about a month before she got to the point she couldn't walk--because I didn't know that it was doing her any good, and thought I'd eliminate an expense... She made a full recovery with that minimal maintenance and became the horse I only dreamed she could be. She did end up dying suddenly at a young age (only 9) but we can't say if it was EPM related. I didn't post her, and it appeared to be a pulmonary embolism and she died in the trailer on the way home from a barrel race (hours after her run). Again, we don't know if it was related.
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Location: SW MO | I have had 2 with EPM. Used the compound method, not much change there. Oroquin was good. My best recommendation is the IV Diclazuril. I would start with that if I did it all over again. |
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I think people have their horses relapse because they don't treat long enough. Some very good vets with tons of experience with EPM have told me to just...keep...treating it.
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| Just an update. I took this horse to the vet I regularly use for treatment. After his evaluation he did NOT diagnose her with EPM, and says the test only confirms she has been exposed. As noted before she has not shown any signs of EPM either physically or in her performance. (Apparently a high percentage of horses are exposed but do not nessesarily have/get the disease. The test was a serum test with her titer results being 1:1000. He gave me a 30 day treatment because it made me feel better and that was that. He did a full physical exam and says she shows no signs of active EPM.. so that's great news. This is becoming quite the educational experience. The vet told me if she were his, he would go on about his business and that he does not think it will ever effect her.
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Location: Arkansas | scwebster - 2016-12-04 9:41 PM
Just an update. I took this horse to the vet I regularly use for treatment. After his evaluation he did NOT diagnose her with EPM, and says the test only confirms she has been exposed. (Apparently a high percentage of horses are exposed but do not nessesarily have/get the disease. The test was a serum test with her titer results being 1:1000. He gave me a 30 day treatment because it made me feel better and that was that. He did a full physical exam and says she shows no signs of active EPM.. so that's great news. This is becoming quite the educational experience.
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Location: NE Texas | Check out this article regarding epm from a clinical perspective, written by a licensed veterinarian, Dr. Schell. It's amazing how well a horse does once the immune system is functioning correctly and the contributors to the aggravation within the body are removed! I have seen this first hand, EPM horses who were symptomatic get back 100% in less than 30 days and stay that way. If your horse is continuing to replapse, eventually there could be too much damage done...remove the contributor and by providing the body with the nutrients it needs, it is capable of fighting off this disease without the help of medication. https://www.nouvelleresearch.com/index.php/articles/364-epm-and-the-immune-system-a-clinical-perspective |
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| All horses are exposed. It's when their immunity is compromised when the Protozoa break the blood membrane barrier. I would put her a good immunity builder. Animal element has one of the best. |
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| So if she is legged up to begin competition again, the stress could lead to her actually contracting the disease? |
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| Ropeing4life - 2016-11-29 12:46 PM Have you tried Re Balance?
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Location: on the fine line between insanity and geniusness | If you can afford to treat her, DO IT!! It will give you a peace of mind and will not hurt her one bit. I learned from a very reputable trainer that Dash Ta Fame geldings are very succeptable to EPM, he treated all of his in training. I have seen horses do a complete turn around. Ones just like yours that didn't show many physical signs but just had crappy attitudes. I treated my futurity colt twice this year. The first time we didn't give him any time off due to spring futurities, the second time I brought him home and turned him out. He is a different horse. He's kinder, quieter and has BLOOMED! I also fed him Immune boost, Detox and Alcar from Animal Element. |
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http://blog.horseharmony.com/horse-symptoms-early-warning-signs-of-... |
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| scwebster - 2016-12-05 1:49 PM
So if she is legged up to begin competition again, the stress could lead to her actually contracting the disease?
Stress can. Cutters treat their new horses when they are brought into training. I treat any new horse. I would treat her for 90 days. 30 days is not long enough. There is a natural way to treat with herbs. If you want to PM me I can give you the names. Cheaper but you will still need to treat for 90 days. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | Ropeing4life - 2016-12-06 7:51 AM scwebster - 2016-12-05 1:49 PM So if she is legged up to begin competition again, the stress could lead to her actually contracting the disease? There is a natural way to treat with herbs. If you want to PM me I can give you the names.
No there is not.
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| So because she has been exposed will she eventually get EMP? Or will treatment kill off the protazoa? |
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| GoMistyGo - 2016-11-29 9:58 AM I’m sorry to hear you are dealing with it. My mare had it first in the spring of 2014. No neurological issues, but bucking and loosing weight. Three vets told me that she does not have EPM. I insisted on the test and her levels were extremely high on the Pathogenes test. We treated with Oroquin. My mare also had a suspensory injury and she was off for over one year. It took a while to get the EPM titers down to a somewhat normal level.
We started running barrels again a year ago, all was well, but she started falling apart on me again about three weeks ago. EPM titer high again. Treating her now with Protazil.
All EPM is different and it seems all horses react differently to the various types of treatment. I hope yours gets better soon.
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Location: NE Texas | ALL horses have been exposed to EPM....every single one. If you tested 10 horses, all will show exposure. The question is why do some become symptomatic and some do not, even in the same pasture, on the same diet, etc. It is due to their immune system. Read the article I posted earlier; it's very insightful regarding the answers to these questions. |
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| Herbie - 2016-12-06 9:27 AM ALL horses have been exposed to EPM....every single one. If you tested 10 horses, all will show exposure. The question is why do some become symptomatic and some do not, even in the same pasture, on the same diet, etc. It is due to their immune system. Read the article I posted earlier; it's very insightful regarding the answers to these questions.
Thanks for the article! :) I did read it and it was helpful. There is just a ton of contradicting information/difference of opinions out there on this particular condition. Thats why I love this forum. I can come here and talk directly with other owners and people who have delt with it. |
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| High doses of Vitamin E has been my go to for my mare that maxed out the titers sent to pathogenes AND helped another that I had *suspicions * of EPM. I buy the 10000 IU per oz from MVP, all mine have eaten it well. I haven't found another supplement out there with doses as high. I had read somewhere that people have had good luck treating with high doses of Vit E, and that seems to be the result I have seen also. I treated my bad epm case with Orogin first but it was not strong enough to knock it out so I had to then spend more for dmso/toltrazuril mix in addition to protazil. Cost me an arm and leg by the time all was said and done. I would advise while treating to let her have time off to not stress the immune system and stock up on Vit E out the wahoo lol |
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Ropeing4life - 2016-12-06 7:51 AM scwebster - 2016-12-05 1:49 PM So if she is legged up to begin competition again, the stress could lead to her actually contracting the disease? There is a natural way to treat with herbs. If you want to PM me I can give you the names.
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| Ropeing4life - 2016-12-06 1:16 PM
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Ropeing4life - 2016-12-06 7:51 AM scwebster - 2016-12-05 1:49 PM So if she is legged up to begin competition again, the stress could lead to her actually contracting the disease? There is a natural way to treat with herbs. If you want to PM me I can give you the names.
Once again 1D soon you are giving a opinion on something you know nothing about.
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Location: Oklahoma | scwebster - 2016-12-04 9:41 PM
Just an update. I took this horse to the vet I regularly use for treatment. After his evaluation he did NOT diagnose her with EPM, and says the test only confirms she has been exposed. As noted before she has not shown any signs of EPM either physically or in her performance. (Apparently a high percentage of horses are exposed but do not nessesarily have/get the disease. The test was a serum test with her titer results being 1:1000. He gave me a 30 day treatment because it made me feel better and that was that. He did a full physical exam and says she shows no signs of active EPM.. so that's great news. This is becoming quite the educational experience. The vet told me if she were his, he would go on about his business and that he does not think it will ever effect her.
Beware of vets that say it will never effect her. It is an epidemic right now, especially if you live in the southern half of the US.....the vets, as a rule, are woefully behind on EPM. It can and WILL affect her and if she's not showing any symptoms, other than a positive test, that means the protozoa hasn't done much damage yet. It is beyond me why vets want to see symptoms before they will treat....by then they've already got damage! If they've been exposed and you stress them (change environment, haul, compete, etc), the infection WILL become active. Injections will make a dormant case of EPM become full blown. I'm now finding if I treat for EPM when my horse has a problem, they end up not needing injections 99% of the time...I have done a LOT of research on this subject, and have had a ton of experience with it through my own horses and my friend's horses....and I have an equine specialist vet who is very into what's "cutting edge" out there for this disease. I believe in the next decade, we, as horse owners that compete with our horses, will have to maintain EPM just like we do worms, and the funny thing is, my vet actually said the same thing the last time I talked to him. Even if you DO get it cured, they just pick it up again, and the first time they're stressed, out it comes. JMO |
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you better watch it or I will sue you.
I used to have a room mate that was a legal secretary and I know abou these things.
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Location: Oklahoma | scwebster - 2016-12-05 1:49 PM
So if she is legged up to begin competition again, the stress could lead to her actually contracting the disease?
Yes. She HAS the disease if her numbers are that high. She's just not showing symptoms yet. A prime time to treat IMO....before there's damage.
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scwebster - 2016-12-05 1:49 PM
So if she is legged up to begin competition again, the stress could lead to her actually contracting the disease?
Yes. She HAS the disease if her numbers are that high. She's just not showing symptoms yet. A prime time to treat IMO....before there's damage.
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| Thank you guys. My vet pretty much said in a nut shell "All the test (western blot) proves is she's been exposed. She's not symptomatic so she must not have contracted it. (therefore doesnt have EPM" He didnt even think I needed to treat her, but he could tell I was very concerned so he gave me a treatment.
This is why I get confused about how this disease works.
*******From listening to my vet, MANY horses are exposed and that does not mean they will ever get EPM. High titer counts just mean their body reacted to the exposure. (similar to the way white blood cells will spike). And that most horses will fight it off themselves and it will never be an issue.
******Other research suggests that if they are exposed the parasite is in their body from now on. Treatment may keep titer counts to a lower level but the protazoa will always be there, floating around waiting for a weakness in the spinal cord in order to wreck havoc. That it is not cureable, and once a high titer count is discoved (even if not symptomatic) the horse has EPM and will always have EPM...you can manage it with treatment.
Furthermore, other articles give the idea EPM can be nipped in the bud with treatment, especially if caught early. That it is cureable.
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Location: Oklahoma | scwebster - 2016-12-06 3:22 PM
Thank you guys. My vet pretty much said in a nut shell "All the test (western blot) proves is she's been exposed. She's not symptomatic so she must not have contracted it. (therefore doesnt have EPM" He didnt even think I needed to treat her, but he could tell I was very concerned so he gave me a treatment.
This is why I get confused about how this disease works.
*******From listening to my vet, MANY horses are exposed and that does not mean they will ever get EPM. High titer counts just mean their body reacted to the exposure. (similar to the way white blood cells will spike). And that most horses will fight it off themselves and it will never be an issue.
******Other research suggests that if they are exposed the parasite is in their body from now on. Treatment may keep titer counts to a lower level but the protazoa will always be there, floating around waiting for a weakness in the spinal cord in order to wreck havoc. That it is not cureable, and once a high titer count is discoved (even if not symptomatic) the horse has EPM and will always have EPM...you can manage it with treatment.
Furthermore, other articles give the idea EPM can be nipped in the bud with treatment, especially if caught early. That it is cureable.
No one knows for sure. My experience for the last several years is that, yes, you CAN cure it, but they won't be immune after having it, so there's nothing to keep them from picking it up again (just like worms).....so you have to constantly be an aggressor against the disease. And a vet telling you that numbers like your mare had won't ever affect her is simply asinine (or ignorant). That's like saying if you had a high white blood count all the time, it wouldn't be a problem....uh, yes it would. If I were you, I would treat it quickly and aggressively, and I'd treat until she has a negative test. |
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| dianeguinn - 2016-12-06 6:29 PM scwebster - 2016-12-06 3:22 PM Thank you guys. My vet pretty much said in a nut shell "All the test (western blot) proves is she's been exposed. She's not symptomatic so she must not have contracted it. (therefore doesnt have EPM" He didnt even think I needed to treat her, but he could tell I was very concerned so he gave me a treatment.
This is why I get confused about how this disease works.
*******From listening to my vet, MANY horses are exposed and that does not mean they will ever get EPM. High titer counts just mean their body reacted to the exposure. (similar to the way white blood cells will spike). And that most horses will fight it off themselves and it will never be an issue.
******Other research suggests that if they are exposed the parasite is in their body from now on. Treatment may keep titer counts to a lower level but the protazoa will always be there, floating around waiting for a weakness in the spinal cord in order to wreck havoc. That it is not cureable, and once a high titer count is discoved (even if not symptomatic) the horse has EPM and will always have EPM...you can manage it with treatment.
Furthermore, other articles give the idea EPM can be nipped in the bud with treatment, especially if caught early. That it is cureable.
No one knows for sure. My experience for the last several years is that, yes, you CAN cure it, but they won't be immune after having it, so there's nothing to keep them from picking it up again (just like worms ).....so you have to constantly be an aggressor against the disease. And a vet telling you that numbers like your mare had won't ever affect her is simply asinine (or ignorant ). That's like saying if you had a high white blood count all the time, it wouldn't be a problem....uh, yes it would. If I were you, I would treat it quickly and aggressively, and I'd treat until she has a negative test.
Thank you so much for the advice. I did go ahead and buy treatment. I may have to PM you in the future if you don't mind. |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | Cowgirl Kat - 2016-12-06 11:40 AM
I always put my horses on THE EPM Formula after treatment. I leave them on it as a daily supplement and **knock on wood** no relapse.
Thanks for posting that info! It's great to know there is a THE formula for it. I love their products.
Which bb was it who sells THE? |
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| Diane --- what are you treating with??? |
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