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The real kicker? Tuf Cooper, who rigged The American 2 years ago, was taken to court over it....he was invited. Sorry to all the Tuf Cooper fans, but what he did was criminal and he should have been banned for life from this particular rodeo, JMHO.
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They took the top 6 from WPRA, but I sure can't figure out how/why the rest were invited. Ashley Shaffer was not familiar to me till the ERA and quickly became one of my favorite riders. I love her quiet style. Wow, Kassie won all 3 rounds at the championship.
They didn't take just the top 6 because Mary Walker was invited and she ended up 14th. So they took the top 6 plus Mary Walker along with Fallon, Chayni and Kassidy Dennison from the ERA. While Lisa was on both lists, that still doesn't explain Mary Walker.
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| SKM - 2016-12-15 6:56 AM rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 5:49 AM They took the top 6 from WPRA, but I sure can't figure out how/why the rest were invited. Ashley Shaffer was not familiar to me till the ERA and quickly became one of my favorite riders. I love her quiet style. Wow, Kassie won all 3 rounds at the championship. They didn't take just the top 6 because Mary Walker was invited and she ended up 14th. So they took the top 6 plus Mary Walker along with Fallon, Chayni and Kassidy Dennison from the ERA. While Lisa was on both lists, that still doesn't explain Mary Walker.
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SKM - 2016-12-15 6:56 AM rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 5:49 AM They took the top 6 from WPRA, but I sure can't figure out how/why the rest were invited. Ashley Shaffer was not familiar to me till the ERA and quickly became one of my favorite riders. I love her quiet style. Wow, Kassie won all 3 rounds at the championship. They didn't take just the top 6 because Mary Walker was invited and she ended up 14th. So they took the top 6 plus Mary Walker along with Fallon, Chayni and Kassidy Dennison from the ERA. While Lisa was on both lists, that still doesn't explain Mary Walker.
Yes, why I said I can't figure out why the rest were invited-maybe they were voted in, clever move since no one can prove anything.
According to their own rules, they were taking the top from the NFR and ERA. So if they had followed their own rules, Chayni and Mary Walker wouldn't have been invited and Kassie Mowry would have. I know on the one FB page it was said that Gottsch hand picked the contestants.
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| SKM - 2016-12-15 7:19 AM rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 6:11 AM SKM - 2016-12-15 6:56 AM rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 5:49 AM They took the top 6 from WPRA, but I sure can't figure out how/why the rest were invited. Ashley Shaffer was not familiar to me till the ERA and quickly became one of my favorite riders. I love her quiet style. Wow, Kassie won all 3 rounds at the championship. They didn't take just the top 6 because Mary Walker was invited and she ended up 14th. So they took the top 6 plus Mary Walker along with Fallon, Chayni and Kassidy Dennison from the ERA. While Lisa was on both lists, that still doesn't explain Mary Walker. Yes, why I said I can't figure out why the rest were invited-maybe they were voted in, clever move since no one can prove anything. According to their own rules, they were taking the top from the NFR and ERA. So if they had followed their own rules, Chayni and Mary Walker wouldn't have been invited and Kassie Mowry would have. I know on the one FB page it was said that Gottsch hand picked the contestants. Guess that explains why Tuf is there... No one cares about the rules they have so who cares if they get broken?
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I think Kassie had already qualified.
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I just can't get past Tuff Cooper being invited. Makes me question the integrity of The American....Randy you are missed by the fans!
I think all professional rodeo associations should ban him, and the other two that colluded with him, for life. I don't think there's anything worse a competitor can do than what they did. JMO. |
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I just can't get past Tuff Cooper being invited. Makes me question the integrity of The American....Randy you are missed by the fans!
I think all professional rodeo associations should ban him, and the other two that colluded with him, for life. I don't think there's anything worse a competitor can do than what they did. JMO.
I am a fan of Tuf Cooper, by no means a die-hard fan. But has anyone actually seen any of the affidavits or anything from that court case? From my understanding there was a hush hush settlement and no details are known (unless I missed something). So maybe there is more to the story and more to why Tuf was invited back. Just saying, we weren't provided all the facts. |
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the only fact you need is the "FACT" that he attempted to alter the outcome of the event.
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SKM - 2016-12-15 6:56 AM rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 5:49 AM They took the top 6 from WPRA, but I sure can't figure out how/why the rest were invited. Ashley Shaffer was not familiar to me till the ERA and quickly became one of my favorite riders. I love her quiet style. Wow, Kassie won all 3 rounds at the championship. They didn't take just the top 6 because Mary Walker was invited and she ended up 14th. So they took the top 6 plus Mary Walker along with Fallon, Chayni and Kassidy Dennison from the ERA. While Lisa was on both lists, that still doesn't explain Mary Walker.
Yes, why I said I can't figure out why the rest were invited-maybe they were voted in, clever move since no one can prove anything.
According to their own rules, they were taking the top from the NFR and ERA. So if they had followed their own rules, Chayni and Mary Walker wouldn't have been invited and Kassie Mowry would have. I know on the one FB page it was said that Gottsch hand picked the contestants.
Guess that explains why Tuf is there... No one cares about the rules they have so who cares if they get broken?
Yeah, for these reasons I am not going to insist to my family we watch it. If I'm not busy and the Spurs aren't playing maybe I'll watch. I am tired of professional athletics and now rodeo is becoming no different. Back in the day our coaches told us they were holding us to a higher standard because it was a privilege to be on the team, and the other kids looked to us for leadership. We had to set the example. My mom always told me this, too, as I was the eldest. How can we expect our kids to become honest, hardworking, ethical people if we encourage them to admire people who aren't? How can we as parents look our kids in the eye and demand they hold to a higher standard than the people we let them look up to?
I guess we can look at it as teaching tool for our kids that no one is perfect and we all have our troubles and vices and just because you are really good at something, it doesn't make you a good person. |
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stayceem - 2016-12-15 9:45 AM Calangelo - 2016-12-15 8:35 AM firewaterfuelsme - 2016-12-15 8:18 AM I just can't get past Tuff Cooper being invited. Makes me question the integrity of The American....Randy you are missed by the fans! I think all professional rodeo associations should ban him, and the other two that colluded with him, for life. I don't think there's anything worse a competitor can do than what they did. JMO. I am a fan of Tuf Cooper, by no means a die-hard fan. But has anyone actually seen any of the affidavits or anything from that court case? From my understanding there was a hush hush settlement and no details are known (unless I missed something ). So maybe there is more to the story and more to why Tuf was invited back. Just saying, we weren't provided all the facts.
See... as someone who works in the legal field... I have a really hard time taking anything I see on social media to heart without seeing the actual documents. The only think I can confirm is the fact that he was accused of it and it is now settled.
This is the only FACT I know. But it wouldn't matter if this was Tuf or something I don't know from adam. My feelings would remain the same. |
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stayceem - 2016-12-15 9:45 AM Calangelo - 2016-12-15 8:35 AM firewaterfuelsme - 2016-12-15 8:18 AM I just can't get past Tuff Cooper being invited. Makes me question the integrity of The American....Randy you are missed by the fans! I think all professional rodeo associations should ban him, and the other two that colluded with him, for life. I don't think there's anything worse a competitor can do than what they did. JMO. I am a fan of Tuf Cooper, by no means a die-hard fan. But has anyone actually seen any of the affidavits or anything from that court case? From my understanding there was a hush hush settlement and no details are known (unless I missed something ). So maybe there is more to the story and more to why Tuf was invited back. Just saying, we weren't provided all the facts.
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They took the top 6 from WPRA, but I sure can't figure out how/why the rest were invited. Ashley Shaffer was not familiar to me till the ERA and quickly became one of my favorite riders. I love her quiet style. Wow, Kassie won all 3 rounds at the championship.
They didn't take just the top 6 because Mary Walker was invited and she ended up 14th. So they took the top 6 plus Mary Walker along with Fallon, Chayni and Kassidy Dennison from the ERA. While Lisa was on both lists, that still doesn't explain Mary Walker.
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| CJE - 2016-12-15 9:08 AM SKM - 2016-12-14 7:56 AM rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 5:49 AM They took the top 6 from WPRA, but I sure can't figure out how/why the rest were invited. Ashley Shaffer was not familiar to me till the ERA and quickly became one of my favorite riders. I love her quiet style. Wow, Kassie won all 3 rounds at the championship. They didn't take just the top 6 because Mary Walker was invited and she ended up 14th. So they took the top 6 plus Mary Walker along with Fallon, Chayni and Kassidy Dennison from the ERA. While Lisa was on both lists, that still doesn't explain Mary Walker. No very disappointing........
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CJE - 2016-12-15 9:08 AM SKM - 2016-12-14 7:56 AM rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 5:49 AM They took the top 6 from WPRA, but I sure can't figure out how/why the rest were invited. Ashley Shaffer was not familiar to me till the ERA and quickly became one of my favorite riders. I love her quiet style. Wow, Kassie won all 3 rounds at the championship. They didn't take just the top 6 because Mary Walker was invited and she ended up 14th. So they took the top 6 plus Mary Walker along with Fallon, Chayni and Kassidy Dennison from the ERA. While Lisa was on both lists, that still doesn't explain Mary Walker. No very disappointing........
From what I can tell the top 6 in WPRA match-up but how did Kassie M get excluded? She is #3 in ERA... next is Fallon so if FT made it, Kassie should have. Unless like someone else suggested, she chose to go for the million. |
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| stayceem - 2016-12-15 9:34 AM rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 9:21 AM CJE - 2016-12-15 9:08 AM SKM - 2016-12-14 7:56 AM rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 5:49 AM They took the top 6 from WPRA, but I sure can't figure out how/why the rest were invited. Ashley Shaffer was not familiar to me till the ERA and quickly became one of my favorite riders. I love her quiet style. Wow, Kassie won all 3 rounds at the championship. They didn't take just the top 6 because Mary Walker was invited and she ended up 14th. So they took the top 6 plus Mary Walker along with Fallon, Chayni and Kassidy Dennison from the ERA. While Lisa was on both lists, that still doesn't explain Mary Walker. No very disappointing........ From what I can tell the top 6 in WPRA match-up but how did Kassie M get excluded? She is #3 in ERA... next is Fallon so if FT made it, Kassie should have. Unless like someone else suggested, she chose to go for the million.
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Exemptions
Every event has the right up to 2 exemptions that can be made by THE AMERICAN committee.
If two contestants are selected there will be an exemption match between the two at the Semi-Finals in Mesquite. The winner of this match wins an automatic bid into THE AMERICAN, making the field 16 teams.
If one contestant is selected they have the opportunity to compete at Mesquite and THE AMERICAN.
The BBR 2013 World Champion will receive an invitation directly to the Semi-Finals, but if he or she competes in the qualifiers, their invitation is revoked. This contestant must finish in the top 5 at the Semi-Finals to move on to THE AMERICAN.
Exemption contestants must pay the $500 entry fee.
THE AMERICAN
THE AMERICAN will consist of the top 10 barrel racers in the world free of entry fees, as well as, the 10 contestants that qualified through the Qualifiers and Semi-Finals, and the Exemption Match winner (making a field of 21). THE AMERICAN will be two runs. All 21 competitors will have one run, with the top 4, after that run, moving on to a shootout round that will determine the champion and reserve champion (one run determination, not average on 2).
The champion will win $100,000 and the reserve champion will win $25,000. In the case that the champion came from the "not" top-10, they will place themselves in a pot for the chance to win $1,000,000. |
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IDK-here are the rules. I still can't figure it out, said exemptions will have a match race. I guess Mary and Chani are not the exemptions.
Exemptions
Every event has the right up to 2 exemptions that can be made by THE AMERICAN committee.
If two contestants are selected there will be an exemption match between the two at the Semi-Finals in Mesquite. The winner of this match wins an automatic bid into THE AMERICAN, making the field 16 teams.
If one contestant is selected they have the opportunity to compete at Mesquite and THE AMERICAN.
The BBR 2013 World Champion will receive an invitation directly to the Semi-Finals, but if he or she competes in the qualifiers, their invitation is revoked. This contestant must finish in the top 5 at the Semi-Finals to move on to THE AMERICAN.
Exemption contestants must pay the $500 entry fee.
THE AMERICAN
THE AMERICAN will consist of the top 10 barrel racers in the world free of entry fees, as well as, the 10 contestants that qualified through the Qualifiers and Semi-Finals, and the Exemption Match winner (making a field of 21). THE AMERICAN will be two runs. All 21 competitors will have one run, with the top 4, after that run, moving on to a shootout round that will determine the champion and reserve champion (one run determination, not average on 2).
The champion will win $100,000 and the reserve champion will win $25,000. In the case that the champion came from the "not" top-10, they will place themselves in a pot for the chance to win $1,000,000.
You're right, I remember they did that last year. Lindsay Sears and Kelly Kaminski I believe were the two and did a match race style. hmmmmm....
Based on the video I saw, they picked Chayni because "between Mary Burger and Chayni, everyone woman will want to tune in." or something to that effect. |
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stayceem - 2016-12-15 9:34 AM rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 9:21 AM CJE - 2016-12-15 9:08 AM SKM - 2016-12-14 7:56 AM rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 5:49 AM They took the top 6 from WPRA, but I sure can't figure out how/why the rest were invited. Ashley Shaffer was not familiar to me till the ERA and quickly became one of my favorite riders. I love her quiet style. Wow, Kassie won all 3 rounds at the championship. They didn't take just the top 6 because Mary Walker was invited and she ended up 14th. So they took the top 6 plus Mary Walker along with Fallon, Chayni and Kassidy Dennison from the ERA. While Lisa was on both lists, that still doesn't explain Mary Walker. No very disappointing........ From what I can tell the top 6 in WPRA match-up but how did Kassie M get excluded? She is #3 in ERA... next is Fallon so if FT made it, Kassie should have. Unless like someone else suggested, she chose to go for the million.
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I just can't get past Tuff Cooper being invited. Makes me question the integrity of The American....Randy you are missed by the fans!
I think all professional rodeo associations should ban him, and the other two that colluded with him, for life. I don't think there's anything worse a competitor can do than what they did. JMO.
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He also stated that they are trying to put on the best rodeo possible, and appreciated my feedback.
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To me the basic line is that the money to put this on isn't coming out of a bunch of contestant's pockets or the local feed stores and truck dealerships. A bunch of it is coming from spectators and sponsors on a national level. It has to be rewarding on a national level. It has to have star power. It is entertainment for the masses, not dirt road rodeo that we all love, understand, know the players, etc. Please remember that the qualifiers were open to any and all who wished to be there. |
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SKM - 2016-12-15 6:56 AM rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 5:49 AM They took the top 6 from WPRA, but I sure can't figure out how/why the rest were invited. Ashley Shaffer was not familiar to me till the ERA and quickly became one of my favorite riders. I love her quiet style. Wow, Kassie won all 3 rounds at the championship. They didn't take just the top 6 because Mary Walker was invited and she ended up 14th. So they took the top 6 plus Mary Walker along with Fallon, Chayni and Kassidy Dennison from the ERA. While Lisa was on both lists, that still doesn't explain Mary Walker.
Yes, why I said I can't figure out why the rest were invited-maybe they were voted in, clever move since no one can prove anything.
According to their own rules, they were taking the top from the NFR and ERA. So if they had followed their own rules, Chayni and Mary Walker wouldn't have been invited and Kassie Mowry would have. I know on the one FB page it was said that Gottsch hand picked the contestants.
Guess that explains why Tuf is there... No one cares about the rules they have so who cares if they get broken?
Yeah, for these reasons I am not going to insist to my family we watch it. If I'm not busy and the Spurs aren't playing maybe I'll watch. I am tired of professional athletics and now rodeo is becoming no different. Back in the day our coaches told us they were holding us to a higher standard because it was a privilege to be on the team, and the other kids looked to us for leadership. We had to set the example. My mom always told me this, too, as I was the eldest. How can we expect our kids to become honest, hardworking, ethical people if we encourage them to admire people who aren't? How can we as parents look our kids in the eye and demand they hold to a higher standard than the people we let them look up to?
I guess we can look at it as teaching tool for our kids that no one is perfect and we all have our troubles and vices and just because you are really good at something, it doesn't make you a good person.
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Right out of the box the American weren't following their own rules so I said it was nothing but a Dog and Pony Show.
IMHO The only reason they have qualifiers is to fill their own pockets.
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The qualifiers is where the majority of the prize money comes from. When you enter one at $500, you only run at like $150 of that at that event (plus any additional fees or added money from that producer) and the rest goes on IF you make the semi-finals and IF you make the American. I don't love everything about it, but I do love that it gives those of us that don't want to sacrifice our families or have the monetary means to live on the road a chance to win big money and do something on a big scale.
Something I also hadn't thought of until now... what if Tuf worked something into the settlement about being invited back...???
I wondered that too about Tuf. But I also cant help but wonder how weak their case was since it seemed to disappear rather quickly. |
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| barrelracer1983 - 2016-12-15 2:47 PM Nevertooold - 2016-12-15 12:27 PM Right out of the box the American weren't following their own rules so I said it was nothing but a Dog and Pony Show.
IMHO The only reason they have qualifiers is to fill their own pockets.
You weren't the only one who said that.
True but qualifiers have made big bucks winning in other events. Everyone knows the deal before they enter. I like the idea of the American and have loved watching it. They just need to keep it simple though top five from WPRA /ERA make it, last year's champion and maybe one pick of their choice. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | barrelracer1983 - 2016-12-15 2:40 PM I have not liked the whole thing from day one.
I think it is a great concept and is exciting to watch but they shot themselves in the foot when they didn't have good rules in place and then didn't follow the rules they had. |
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| rodeomom3 - 2016-12-15 3:28 PM
barrelracer1983 - 2016-12-15 2:47 PM Nevertooold - 2016-12-15 12:27 PM Right out of the box the American weren't following their own rules so I said it was nothing but a Dog and Pony Show.
IMHO The only reason they have qualifiers is to fill their own pockets.
You weren't the only one who said that.
I agree. I love the concept of it.
For conversation sake, I do think if you make the invitee list, you go under that spot. Not a rock being thrown at anyone specific as I know their are rumors that Kassie chose to opt out of her spot but I think if you are in the top 5 for an organization that is invited, you take that invite or opt out altogether.
With that said, I do think keeping it simple like you suggested would be the best way. Granted I am curious to know how long the ERA will be in existence. I personally liked it the way it was before, top 10 in WPRA and then a fan exemption and I even liked how they brought Charmayne in (I don't know what you want to call her - invitee, veteran, special guest, etc) and then the top 10 for the semi's obviously. |
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| chasendacash - 2016-12-15 1:50 PM
I posted this in a response this morning on fb..... This is looking at it from the inside looking out. Those of us that actually own horses and pay fees to run them aren't the people filling up the majority of that stadium or buying those souvenirs. We don't have any money left after paying our vet bills. : ) There is a lot of talent in the invitee-rodeo. Some of it gets there through the current qualifiers, some talents get there by way of cummulative performance history. Either way, there IS talent. One thing I like about the cummulative performance types... they are more than just 'the next big thing' and had a whole lot more than 15 minutes of fame. Now, if I can just win some free tickets we'll be going to see it! To me the basic line is that the money to put this on isn't coming out of a bunch of contestant's pockets or the local feed stores and truck dealerships. A bunch of it is coming from spectators and sponsors on a national level. It has to be rewarding on a national level. It has to have star power. It is entertainment for the masses, not dirt road rodeo that we all love, understand, know the players, etc. Please remember that the qualifiers were open to any and all who wished to be there.
Ummmm, contestants are putting in a big part of the money coming from entry fees. At $500 per entry, how many entries are made at the all of the qualifiers? Start doing the math. Not saying that is wrong but folks seem to miss that bit. |
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Location: lost in missouri | Michelle had on her facebook page a link to go vote for the top ten. So the American wasnt taking the top ten from the NFR the fans had to vote in from the top NFR girls. So maybe that is how some NFR racers got in while other NFR racers didnt. It wasnt the top ten automatically make it this year. Fan voted this year instead. |
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| redracinmo - 2016-12-16 9:48 AM
Michelle had on her facebook page a link to go vote for the top ten. So the American wasnt taking the top ten from the NFR the fans had to vote in from the top NFR girls. So maybe that is how some NFR racers got in while other NFR racers didnt. It wasnt the top ten automatically make it this year. Fan voted this year instead.
I was told that the fan votes didn't actually count - they just wanted people to vote so they could see who was the most popular - and then they made the final decision. |
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Location: Illinois | barrelracer1983 - 2016-12-15 2:40 PM
I have not liked the whole thing from day one.
Ditto. |
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Location: south central usa | stayceem - 2016-12-15 9:05 AM
1DSoon - 2016-12-15 8:49 AM
stayceem - 2016-12-15 9:45 AM Calangelo - 2016-12-15 8:35 AM firewaterfuelsme - 2016-12-15 8:18 AM I just can't get past Tuff Cooper being invited. Makes me question the integrity of The American....Randy you are missed by the fans! I think all professional rodeo associations should ban him, and the other two that colluded with him, for life. I don't think there's anything worse a competitor can do than what they did. JMO. I am a fan of Tuf Cooper, by no means a die-hard fan. But has anyone actually seen any of the affidavits or anything from that court case? From my understanding there was a hush hush settlement and no details are known (unless I missed something ). So maybe there is more to the story and more to why Tuf was invited back. Just saying, we weren't provided all the facts.
See... as someone who works in the legal field... I have a really hard time taking anything I see on social media to heart without seeing the actual documents. The only think I can confirm is the fact that he was accused of it and it is now settled.
This is the only FACT I know. But it wouldn't matter if this was Tuf or something I don't know from adam. My feelings would remain the same.
here is the most informative article I've seen...
http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/articl...
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| redracinmo - 2016-12-16 8:48 AM
Michelle had on her facebook page a link to go vote for the top ten. So the American wasnt taking the top ten from the NFR the fans had to vote in from the top NFR girls. So maybe that is how some NFR racers got in while other NFR racers didnt. It wasnt the top ten automatically make it this year. Fan voted this year instead.
The fan voting had nothing to do with it. They didn't use the fan voting at all. |
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | in looking at this from a 20K' perspective I think what you had with the whole "fan vote" fiasco was a very clever way to drive web site hits.
It had to increase their site activity exponentially for that 2-3 week period. If it increased it enough that could equate to dollars.
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Location: lone star state | Amy Wilson posted on social media bad attention is better than no attention. She said it jokingly so don't take it out of context without the entire 200+ comment post.... |
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Location: The Great Northwest | To qualify for the American from the WNFR is the top 10 coming into WNFR or at the end? |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | skye - 2016-12-17 10:27 AM To qualify for the American from the WNFR is the top 10 coming into WNFR or at the end?
It was suppose to be the top 10 after the NFR but when you don't follow your own rules, what difference does it make? LOL |
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Location: Adopt a homeless pet - www.petfinder.com! | That was the article I read as well. I felt the FWST's reporting was good and they did see the legal documents. I hadn't thought about being invited back could be a part of the settlement, that's a good point one of the other posters made.
runnink - 2016-12-16 7:34 PM stayceem - 2016-12-15 9:05 AM 1DSoon - 2016-12-15 8:49 AM stayceem - 2016-12-15 9:45 AM Calangelo - 2016-12-15 8:35 AM firewaterfuelsme - 2016-12-15 8:18 AM I just can't get past Tuff Cooper being invited. Makes me question the integrity of The American....Randy you are missed by the fans! I think all professional rodeo associations should ban him, and the other two that colluded with him, for life. I don't think there's anything worse a competitor can do than what they did. JMO. I am a fan of Tuf Cooper, by no means a die-hard fan. But has anyone actually seen any of the affidavits or anything from that court case? From my understanding there was a hush hush settlement and no details are known (unless I missed something ). So maybe there is more to the story and more to why Tuf was invited back. Just saying, we weren't provided all the facts. See... as someone who works in the legal field... I have a really hard time taking anything I see on social media to heart without seeing the actual documents. The only think I can confirm is the fact that he was accused of it and it is now settled. This is the only FACT I know. But it wouldn't matter if this was Tuf or something I don't know from adam. My feelings would remain the same. here is the most informative article I've seen... http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/articl...
Edited by Calangelo 2016-12-17 1:37 PM
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| Calangelo - 2016-12-17 1:36 PM That was the article I read as well. I felt the FWST's reporting was good and they did see the legal documents. I hadn't thought about being invited back could be a part of the settlement, that's a good point one of the other posters made. runnink - 2016-12-16 7:34 PM stayceem - 2016-12-15 9:05 AM 1DSoon - 2016-12-15 8:49 AM stayceem - 2016-12-15 9:45 AM Calangelo - 2016-12-15 8:35 AM firewaterfuelsme - 2016-12-15 8:18 AM I just can't get past Tuff Cooper being invited. Makes me question the integrity of The American....Randy you are missed by the fans! I think all professional rodeo associations should ban him, and the other two that colluded with him, for life. I don't think there's anything worse a competitor can do than what they did. JMO. I am a fan of Tuf Cooper, by no means a die-hard fan. But has anyone actually seen any of the affidavits or anything from that court case? From my understanding there was a hush hush settlement and no details are known (unless I missed something ). So maybe there is more to the story and more to why Tuf was invited back. Just saying, we weren't provided all the facts. See... as someone who works in the legal field... I have a really hard time taking anything I see on social media to heart without seeing the actual documents. The only think I can confirm is the fact that he was accused of it and it is now settled. This is the only FACT I know. But it wouldn't matter if this was Tuf or something I don't know from adam. My feelings would remain the same. here is the most informative article I've seen... http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/articl...
This is the information that makes me skeptical unless I knew more facts. I try not to judge without being informed. At some point, the Arlington Police Department looked into the incident, but the investigation was closed for lack of witness cooperation, said Lt. Chris Cook, police spokesman.Rick Hagen, the attorney for Moore, could only release this comment: “The parties have resolved this dispute to each party’s satisfaction.”Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/articl... |
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| My jaw hit the floor when they announced the list! Most of them I understood the reasoning but Mary Walker? Not to take away from her qualifications but this year there seemed to be better options. I couldn't believe Sarah wasn't competing! |
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Location: Broxton, Ga | I'mlost - 2016-12-17 1:51 AM
My jaw hit the floor when they announced the list! Most of them I understood the reasoning but Mary Walker? Not to take away from her qualifications but this year there seemed to be better options. I couldn't believe Sarah wasn't competing!
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The American...so disappointed