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Location: Roping pen | Has anyone priced new trucks lately?
It has been 8 years since we have..75,000 for a new F450/4500? That is more than we paid for our house 12 years ago. And it appears they sell them for that as they are really hard to find. One a year old with 20k miles is still 65k??? Once we put on a hauler bed, extra fuel tank, air or timbren overloads, running boards, and grill guard, we are close to 90k.
The one we are replacing, we paid 54k for it 8 years ago. ...One with just the exact same options would be right at 95k..56% increase. Or 7% a year!
What are other doing for their medium duty truck needs?
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| It's amazing how expensive they are. We pretty much down graded. Went to a single cab work truck. Can be a bit tight at times and it's nothing fancy but it gets us there. |
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| Yeah was wanting an upgrade about a year or so ago, after I went shoping I decide to keep my current truck and by a rental house. |
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| Yep bought a new Dodge 3500 last month. Sticker was 67k and I got it bought for 57k. My 2007 with 300k was still a strong truck but every repair irritated me because that is cash I could put into something with a warranty. So i traded it in and they gave me good money for it. I'm loving the new truck, not the payment but I'm glad its covered to 125k warranty wise.. |
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Location: sunny california | bought a 2016 f 450 couple months ago with a flat bed. needed crew cab and 4 wd and dually of coarse. got for around 65000 but it is striped inside very much a work truck. but nice bed with boxes. we just did not want to wait until the only option was a 2017 as they made way to many changes. already know of one person with probs with the 2017. This is very close to what we paid for a second house a few years ago. |
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Location: North Dakota | Probably cheaper downsizing trailer, buying a used truck and renting hotel rooms-we have a very solid f350 that is 12 years old-and casually looked into something different a few weeks ago-still trying to get my eyeballs back in my head-something equal to what I paid $22k for 8 years ago is now $40K-WTH? WHO makes those kinds of decisions? BTW how long can you finance a rig like the one you're looking at? 10 years would make that payment very, very uncomfortable for me...but I'm only a weekend warrior so do not see the need for a rig that size-just curious. |
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| I traded my 2007 dodge 2500 for a 2012 dodge 3500 and they gave me great money for my trade in. I went with the 2012 because it was the last year before they switched to DEF. the truck runs and pulls great and had just enough miles on it to be "broke in". Just do your research and look around until you find the perfect fit. |
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| We looked for months and wouldn't go new because of how ridiculous it is. Our 2002 Ford still ran good but the rust ate it up and it was not safe anymore. Hard to think of spending $60-$70k on one that will probably happen to again......if you are willing to travel (and prepared to act) you can find used ones out there. Auto trader, cars.com are good places to watch. And how are these trucks that much better than they were ten to fifteen years ago? They just seem to have more that can go wrong these days and are harder to work on yourself. |
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| So I was not the only one who noticed. We had been looking and the prices are crazy high. And the sales people are shady. They have started this thing now where they won't put the prices on the vehicles. You have to ask them what the price is and even then they don't want to give it to you. They just want you to give them all of your finacial info and then they tell you. Uh, no. I ended up getting a truck in another town that did not have that policy at their dealership.
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Location: Not Where I Want to Be | I'm amazed that people still deal with sales people and dealerships.
Much easy, less stressfull ways to buy vehicles.
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| We have been trading trucks every 5 years so that they are still worth something to sell. Ours are always considered low mileage since we only use it to pull the trailer. The other day hubby priced a new one just like what our 2014 is just because he was killing some time. Talk about a WOW moment 2017 f350 diesel 4 door was priced at $73,000!!!! Our days of trading trucks is officially over if I have anything to do with it. Our son just bought a used Old Deminion simi for $5500 to pull his ground load with. It is very clean and came with all the service records. My thoughts are to get one of those when the time comes.
edited to add that our current truck taxes are are still $900 even at 2 years old, can you imagine what a new one would cost in our county!!!
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| We bought a 2010 a year and a half ago. It had 90k miles on it, and still paid right at 30k after taxes. It is CRAZY! Needless to say, we will have that truck, until it is no more. There are some deals out there for used trucks, but like 'ImasparkyAce' said, you have to be prepared to act quick! We found a 2011 3500 dodge on the way home from a barrel race, that was priced right at what we wanted to spend. Called about it, and on the way there (2 hours away), they called back and said it had just sold. I downloaded the apps on my phone. Cars.com and cargurus and checked them regularly. Good luck! |
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| Also the days of " honest" used truck salesman are long gone. If you buy used, make sure it's from someone you know personally. There are so many electronic problems and emissions stuff on these trucks that someone will break and trade it off. |
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| I bought a 2016 Dodge situation Hemi because I felt it fit my needs better than a diesel. Has a 6.4 in it, gets pretty darn good fuel mileage and pulls great. My truck was17 years old and time to replace it. It was 54K so I just bit the bullet and bought it. |
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Location: Tulsa, Ok | We just traded for an impeccable 2014 F550 customed by Western Hauler with only 27,000 miles on it. An older gentleman had bought it to pull his travel trailer, but declining health screwed his plans. Our friend/neighbor works at the dealership and called us when it came onto the lot. Traded in a 2010 F250 King Ranch model that was low mileage. I am really happy with the deal we were able to make. Not something we could have afforded if it had been brand new. |
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| I got my 2016 brand new 3500 dually with AISON transmission for 41,000.
I think people get too caught up in trim packages. I ordered no carpet, no extras. Tradesman Package. It's way fancier than the Tradesman I got brand new in 2011, with back up camera, digital everything, and it was the same price.
It just comes down to whether or not you insist on $10,000 leather seats and chrome door handles. |
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Location: Phoenix | I would never buy new and I don't think I could ever justify spending that much on a vehicle .... EVER. |
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Location: Arkansas | Whiteboy - 2016-12-23 10:16 AM
Yeah was wanting an upgrade about a year or so ago, after I went shoping I decide to keep my current truck and by a rental house.
We looked at a 16 King Ranch F150 last week. Loved it, drove itself almost---choked on the price. So I think we've decided to open a new business instead!!! Something that I can continue the accounting business and this will complement. And of course today on the dually we think a sensor went out so won't know about that for sure til next week. But it'll be expensive no matter what. So glad we didn't pull the trigger on the new truck last week. . . . |
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| Cars are the same way .... I drive an 08 Impala that seems like it's having transmission issues (jerking when leaving a stop). Dealer says "codes say ... " or "the codes don't show anything and we can't duplicate." So we've been looking and whoa!!! Expensive!  |
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| When suffering from sticker shock or ego paralysis ...
instead of thinking about buying an over priced extended warranty ..
Instead buy some mortgage or life insurance because the next sticker
shock is going to be when they tell you the warranty won't cover
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Location: Armuchee, GA, NW section of Ga | Yep, the prices are wayyy over the top. I have a 2012 F450, very very low miles that I pull my trailer with. It cost new about 65k. I will not be buying another even tho I love mine. Vehicles cost too much, I cannot justify it. |
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Location: frozen tundra of pa | ?Got a new 2015 dodge dually diesel traded a 2004 chevy 2500 hd on it nothing fancy at all 50K barring any major problems this truck should last me until the wife and i are ready to stop chasing barrels. My fathers 2001 dodge is still going strong hope mine is as trouble free as his has been. |
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Location: n.c. | We have a 99 F-350 duallie and an 02 F250. Both with the 7.3. Cannot justify the price hikes on the new trucks.
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Location: Louisiana | That's why we bought a used truck earlier this year. Paid $30k for it with over 100k miles on it. It pained me not to have something new with a warranty, but we just couldn't do it.
Then there are ppl like my father who buys a brand new one when his current one hits 50k miles lol. |
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Location: My Own Little World | I can't even justify $30K on a used truck. I have a 94' F350 7.3 that we paid $3800 for whenit had 112k on it and it's at 230K now. I'd LOVE to have a newer one but I can do A LOT of work to the truck I own for that $700/ month folks are paying on newer trucks |
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| My Ford is an '06 and hubby's Dodge is an '03. Both have beds rusting out. My truck has 197K on it and I have had to do MORE repairs on it (and the Dodge with less miles) than when I used to put 250-350K every 4 years on one. But both these trucks are here until they completely fall apart. When we can justify it each will get a new bed. Like someone else said, I can do a LOT of repairs for that $700-1000 a month truck payment.
I have been saying that my next pulling vehicle will be a semi....can be bought for a LOT less money than a used truck, remove one of the drive axles, have a sleeper built right on and I get my manual tranny. |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | rodeoveteran - 2016-12-24 6:24 PM My Ford is an '06 and hubby's Dodge is an '03. Both have beds rusting out. My truck has 197K on it and I have had to do MORE repairs on it (and the Dodge with less miles) than when I used to put 250-350K every 4 years on one. But both these trucks are here until they completely fall apart. When we can justify it each will get a new bed. Like someone else said, I can do a LOT of repairs for that $700-1000 a month truck payment. I have been saying that my next pulling vehicle will be a semi....can be bought for a LOT less money than a used truck, remove one of the drive axles, have a sleeper built right on and I get my manual tranny.
You must live in cold country where they use salt on the roads.
One of the best perks about moving south is not having our vehicles rust out. Our truck is a 2001 Dodge Dually and it doesn't have any rust on it.
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Location: Southern Indiana | It's absolutely ridiculous what a new one cost and it's stupid that it cost $10-20k more for leather and bucket seats. Used ones with high miles are still way over priced. It's hard to find a used gem, but that's about the only option. |
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| Nevertooold - 2016-12-24 8:39 PM
rodeoveteran - 2016-12-24 6:24 PM My Ford is an '06 and hubby's Dodge is an '03. Both have beds rusting out. My truck has 197K on it and I have had to do MORE repairs on it (and the Dodge with less miles) than when I used to put 250-350K every 4 years on one. But both these trucks are here until they completely fall apart. When we can justify it each will get a new bed. Like someone else said, I can do a LOT of repairs for that $700-1000 a month truck payment. I have been saying that my next pulling vehicle will be a semi....can be bought for a LOT less money than a used truck, remove one of the drive axles, have a sleeper built right on and I get my manual tranny.
You must live in cold country where they use salt on the roads.
One of the best perks about moving south is not having our vehicles rust out. Our truck is a 2001 Dodge Dually and it doesn't have any rust on it.
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Location: Phoenix | rodeorun68 - 2016-12-24 3:04 PM I can't even justify $30K on a used truck. I have a 94' F350 7.3 that we paid $3800 for whenit had 112k on it and it's at 230K now. I'd LOVE to have a newer one but I can do A LOT of work to the truck I own for that $700/ month folks are paying on newer trucks
Same. We just bought a 95 F250 with 60k mikes on it for $9k. Drives likes a DREAM and the hubby who uses it as a daily driver to his job 3 miles away absolutely adores it. |
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Location: Arkansas | BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-12-24 2:07 AM
When suffering from sticker shock or ego paralysis ...
instead of thinking about buying an over priced extended warranty ..
Instead buy some mortgage or life insurance because the next sticker
shock is going to be when they tell you the warranty won't cover
the huge repair bill they hand you ...
We have been SO lucky---everything that we had to do to the dually was covered under extended warranty until now. We bought it in 2012 (it's 08 F350)with around 50000 miles on it, and that warranty has paid for itself probably 3 times over. Now tho it has 114000 miles and no warranty---I'm already dreading Tuesday when they give us an idea what's wrong. . . . Like someone else said, we'll be driving this one til it falls apart. (Lord, let that be many years from now. Cheap years from now!!!) |
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Location: Southeast Louisiana | I had my oil changed the other day at the dealership. I walked around and looked at prices on trucks and WOW! While I was inside waiting, I talked to two guys with F250's and one with a SUV, all talking about either problems they were having or trading in due to problems. I just smiled and drove off in my trouble-free sixteen year old truck. I'll have my 7.3 for a long time (hopefully). |
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| If you are patient and look for awhile you can find AWESOME deals on trucks. We had to buy one in February after a head on collision totaled our '08 dodge that was paid for. We bought a '14 dodge ram dually 28k miles, fully loaded save the moon roof for 47k. We don't buy new. Let someone else eat depreciation. I'm in Texas so there is a ton of trucks to choose from. |
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Location: NW MT | iloveequine40 - 2016-12-25 3:52 AM If you are patient and look for awhile you can find AWESOME deals on trucks. We had to buy one in February after a head on collision totaled our '08 dodge that was paid for. We bought a '14 dodge ram dually 28k miles, fully loaded save the moon roof for 47k. We don't buy new. Let someone else eat depreciation. I'm in Texas so there is a ton of trucks to choose from.
but I've found so many of the southern trucks are only 2WD. I won't buy new either - refuse to pay that for a truck.
My 01 Dodge Cummins is a great truck but I need a dually now w/the bigger trailer so will be selling it & buying a different one, and it will have to be purchased out our way so it's not been in the darn road salt too! Am at my mom's & noticed her car is getting rust inside the doors, etc from all the **** salt in MI!  |
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| Rockyroad - 2016-12-25 6:04 PM
iloveequine40 - 2016-12-25 3:52 AM If you are patient and look for awhile you can find AWESOME deals on trucks. We had to buy one in February after a head on collision totaled our '08 dodge that was paid for. We bought a '14 dodge ram dually 28k miles, fully loaded save the moon roof for 47k. We don't buy new. Let someone else eat depreciation. I'm in Texas so there is a ton of trucks to choose from.
but I've found so many of the southern trucks are only 2WD. I won't buy new either - refuse to pay that for a truck.
My 01 Dodge Cummins is a great truck but I need a dually now w/the bigger trailer so will be selling it & buying a different one, and it will have to be purchased out our way so it's not been in the darn road salt too! Am at my mom's & noticed her car is getting rust inside the doors, etc from all the **** salt in MI!
Mine is 4WD. I've found the opposite to be true here. Almost all are 4WD. |
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Location: NW MT | iloveequine40 - 2016-12-25 6:17 PM Rockyroad - 2016-12-25 6:04 PM iloveequine40 - 2016-12-25 3:52 AM If you are patient and look for awhile you can find AWESOME deals on trucks. We had to buy one in February after a head on collision totaled our '08 dodge that was paid for. We bought a '14 dodge ram dually 28k miles, fully loaded save the moon roof for 47k. We don't buy new. Let someone else eat depreciation. I'm in Texas so there is a ton of trucks to choose from. but I've found so many of the southern trucks are only 2WD. I won't buy new either - refuse to pay that for a truck.
My 01 Dodge Cummins is a great truck but I need a dually now w/the bigger trailer so will be selling it & buying a different one, and it will have to be purchased out our way so it's not been in the darn road salt too! Am at my mom's & noticed her car is getting rust inside the doors, etc from all the **** salt in MI! Mine is 4WD. I've found the opposite to be true here. Almost all are 4WD.
that is good to know! when I had looked before, most of the 1T duallys were 2WD. I know I want a truck that has not been near any of the flooding areas or from snow/salt areas. :) |
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Location: Kentucky | My Dad bought a '16 F350 Platinum for $73k and that was with A plan. He has 73 miles on it. Won't drive it. I told him I would!! LOL |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Most trucks I see down here are 4x4. Need it for mud and you don't get decent resale without.
I shopped for used trucks last winter and got sticker shocked. People asking new prices for trucks with 60,000 miles. The only decently priced one I looked at was a year old, had 85,000 miles and had been used hard/put up wet...rear seal was leaking and it had some major blowby. We fixed mine instead. It's a 2010 Duramax that was a salvage so I got it cheap, but the guy that fixed it took some short cuts. |
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Location: North Texas | Three 4 Luck - 2016-12-26 9:12 AM
Most trucks I see down here are 4x4. Need it for mud and you don't get decent resale without.
I shopped for used trucks last winter and got sticker shocked. People asking new prices for trucks with 60,000 miles. The only decently priced one I looked at was a year old, had 85,000 miles and had been used hard/put up wet...rear seal was leaking and it had some major blowby. We fixed mine instead. It's a 2010 Duramax that was a salvage so I got it cheap, but the guy that fixed it took some short cuts.
Disclosed 'shortcuts' are one thing. BUT, undisclosed 'shortcuts' are unethical for starters and dishonest to the core! |
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| iloveequine40 - 2016-12-25 4:52 AM
If you are patient and look for awhile you can find AWESOME deals on trucks. We had to buy one in February after a head on collision totaled our '08 dodge that was paid for. We bought a '14 dodge ram dually 28k miles, fully loaded save the moon roof for 47k. We don't buy new. Let someone else eat depreciation. I'm in Texas so there is a ton of trucks to choose from.
You must be younger. $47K is NOT a great deal in my book! |
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Location: south central usa | all about what your "needs" are. bought a 2016 ram 3500 4x4 that stickered for almost $55k. paid a little under $42k. looked for a year for something used and most were within $5k of a new one and several years old with 50k miles...actually prefer one with the DEF system as it helps the engine run cleaner and gets better mpg. it is across the board though. our 2013 Tahoe listed for $47k and a new one today is $10k more. due to the increased emissions since 2007, I'd be hard pressed to buy a used diesel these days |
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Location: North Texas | Chandler's Mom - 2016-12-24 11:44 PM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-12-24 2:07 AM
When suffering from sticker shock or ego paralysis ...
instead of thinking about buying an over priced extended warranty ..
Instead buy some mortgage or life insurance because the next sticker
shock is going to be when they tell you the warranty won't cover
the huge repair bill they hand you ...
We have been SO lucky---everything that we had to do to the dually was covered under extended warranty until now. We bought it in 2012 (it's 08 F350 )with around 50000 miles on it, and that warranty has paid for itself probably 3 times over. Now tho it has 114000 miles and no warranty---I'm already dreading Tuesday when they give us an idea what's wrong. . . . Like someone else said, we'll be driving this one til it falls apart. (Lord, let that be many years from now. Cheap years from now!!! )
Ya'll have the infamous 'dreaded' 6.0L family of Ford (International Harvester) diesels. Sticker shock will come in the form of repairs on this vehicle's engine. I 'believe' that production run requires the cab to come off for access to the rear of the engine........................And labor ain't cheap either! Some people swear by that engine family (one on this forum and I can't remember her name! Old age sucks! heheehehe). But for the most part, people run from em! And from reports, 100k plus mileage is when the repairs usually begin........... |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | rodeoveteran - 2016-12-26 3:01 PM iloveequine40 - 2016-12-25 4:52 AM If you are patient and look for awhile you can find AWESOME deals on trucks. We had to buy one in February after a head on collision totaled our '08 dodge that was paid for. We bought a '14 dodge ram dually 28k miles, fully loaded save the moon roof for 47k. We don't buy new. Let someone else eat depreciation. I'm in Texas so there is a ton of trucks to choose from. You must be younger. $47K is NOT a great deal in my book!
For real. The last new truck I bought was in 2005. Fully loaded GMC with Duramax, crew cab, 4x4, long bed...very nice truck. Paid $37,000 and I thought that was a lot. |
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | foundation horse - 2016-12-26 2:42 PM Three 4 Luck - 2016-12-26 9:12 AM Most trucks I see down here are 4x4. Need it for mud and you don't get decent resale without.
I shopped for used trucks last winter and got sticker shocked. People asking new prices for trucks with 60,000 miles. The only decently priced one I looked at was a year old, had 85,000 miles and had been used hard/put up wet...rear seal was leaking and it had some major blowby. We fixed mine instead. It's a 2010 Duramax that was a salvage so I got it cheap, but the guy that fixed it took some short cuts. Disclosed 'shortcuts' are one thing. BUT, undisclosed 'shortcuts' are unethical for starters and dishonest to the core!
Yeah, anything that was hidden he didn't disclose. He told us the radiator came out of an 08 with 200,000 miles, but we had a new one we could swap out that was going in a farm truck, so that wasn't a big deal. He didn't tell us about the driveshaft or the rod (can't remember the name of it) in the steering column that came off an older truck in a year when there were issues with premature wear. Or the used electrical harness (the plug on that thing was nearly the death of me and almost cost us a new turbo we didn't need). Did a crappy job on the paint too that became apparent after a few months. But the engine/tranny was pristine and low mileage, and the inside super clean. I saved about $15,000 at purchase over a clean titled truck, was able to pay cash, and really haven't spent that much fixing stuff since it was things we could do ourselves. I've had it for 3.5 years now and other than the plug failure causing it to throw codes while we were 500 miles from home, it's been a good truck. I doubt I ever buy another salvage after this experience, but truck prices new and used both are STUPID. |
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| Three 4 Luck - 2016-12-26 4:37 PM
rodeoveteran - 2016-12-26 3:01 PM iloveequine40 - 2016-12-25 4:52 AM If you are patient and look for awhile you can find AWESOME deals on trucks. We had to buy one in February after a head on collision totaled our '08 dodge that was paid for. We bought a '14 dodge ram dually 28k miles, fully loaded save the moon roof for 47k. We don't buy new. Let someone else eat depreciation. I'm in Texas so there is a ton of trucks to choose from. You must be younger. $47K is NOT a great deal in my book!
It IS a great deal when you look at the CURRENT prices of buying new which is the context of this thread. We were surprised at the ridiculous prices too and that's why we bought used. |
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Location: Arkansas | Three 4 Luck - 2016-12-26 9:12 AM
Most trucks I see down here are 4x4. Need it for mud and you don't get decent resale without.
I shopped for used trucks last winter and got sticker shocked. People asking new prices for trucks with 60,000 miles. The only decently priced one I looked at was a year old, had 85,000 miles and had been used hard/put up wet...rear seal was leaking and it had some major blowby. We fixed mine instead. It's a 2010 Duramax that was a salvage so I got it cheap, but the guy that fixed it took some short cuts.
I agree, down here a 4 wheel drive is just a must to my family. Never know how many of us may be stuck at once and need help 
And agreed on resale value.
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Location: Arkansas | foundation horse - 2016-12-26 3:20 PM
Chandler's Mom - 2016-12-24 11:44 PM
BARRELHORSE USA - 2016-12-24 2:07 AM
When suffering from sticker shock or ego paralysis ...
instead of thinking about buying an over priced extended warranty ..
Instead buy some mortgage or life insurance because the next sticker
shock is going to be when they tell you the warranty won't cover
the huge repair bill they hand you ...
We have been SO lucky---everything that we had to do to the dually was covered under extended warranty until now. We bought it in 2012 (it's 08 F350 )with around 50000 miles on it, and that warranty has paid for itself probably 3 times over. Now tho it has 114000 miles and no warranty---I'm already dreading Tuesday when they give us an idea what's wrong. . . . Like someone else said, we'll be driving this one til it falls apart. (Lord, let that be many years from now. Cheap years from now!!! )
Ya'll have the infamous 'dreaded' 6.0L family of Ford (International Harvester ) diesels. Sticker shock will come in the form of repairs on this vehicle's engine. I 'believe' that production run requires the cab to come off for access to the rear of the engine........................And labor ain't cheap either! Some people swear by that engine family (one on this forum and I can't remember her name! Old age sucks! heheehehe ). But for the most part, people run from em! And from reports, 100k plus mileage is when the repairs usually begin...........
I really dread tomorrow!! I don't want to be looking at a different truck to purchase. Just not gonna do that right now! So y'all please hope with me that I don't have to hock anything to pay for the repair bill!!! |
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| This is why we bought a single-axle Kenworth. Cost was a fraction of even a gently used pickup and should last much, much longer. We have it and two used diesel pickups and NO PAYMENTS! I just cannot justify paying a vehicle payment higher than my mortgage payment. I won't do it. I'll ride my horses to the rodeos first lol. |
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| 4 years ago my husband bought a used 08 f250 with 59k miles for ALOT of money. That sucker was a money pit from the word go.... Radiator cracked, replaced the transmission, lower fuel pump went out..... It was one thing after another. Fast forward to friday. The transmission started leaking again. That was the final straw. He started looking saturday. We went while they were closed and looked at about 5 different trucks. Narrowed it down to 2. Yesterday he wanted to "just go look" at the F350 he liked. Guess whats now parked in our yard.... A 2015 F350 long wheel base Lariat edition. Its a beautiful truck. Wasnt as expensive as I thought it was going to be. Sure it was alot of money but his payments are $150 less than the older truck and the interest rate is half of what he's been paying. Im a Dodge girl through and through and really wanted the Dually but someone at the dealership wrecked it and it was in the body shop. Guess he can pay a note for another 5 years. I just paid my truck off and will drive it til it cant go anymore! |
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| We found a pretty good deal on my dually when we bought it last May. It should last us a long time, between my SO and our mechanic neighbor we take pretty meticulous care of them. But when we're ready for a new hauler we will probably go the semi route as well.
It's not just trucks either. We recently bought a car off my in laws that had given them zero trouble, but I drive a LOT farther than she does daily and it's already giving us fits. I'm looking at some of more the economical SUV's and really getting sick at having another payment. But the ones we can afford cash for have far too many miles for our taste and we don't want to be in an endless loop of repairs and junky cars. |
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Location: North Dakota | We should have our new 2017 Ram 3500 any day this week. Sticker shock was an understatement! But what surprised me, is even after having one custom ordered, we still only paid roughly $4,000 more than what they had 2016's listed for at bottom dollar. The one we custom ordered even had better options than the 2016 we priced. Either way, they are significantly higher than I was expecting. The only thing that made it easier to swallow was the fact that my 2006 Ram 2500 held its value so well. We ended up selling it for only $10k less than I paid for it 7 years ago. So luckily we were able to put a nice down payment on the new one. |
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Location: Windoming | pabarrelnut - 2016-12-24 2:09 PM ?Got a new 2015 dodge dually diesel traded a 2004 chevy 2500 hd on it nothing fancy at all 50K barring any major problems this truck should last me until the wife and i are ready to stop chasing barrels. My fathers 2001 dodge is still going strong hope mine is as trouble free as his has been.
We have a 2001 Dodge dually diesel that we bought new, it has 140,000 miles on it. It has been a good truck. Would like a new one, but since I am forced to pay $12,000 a year for health insurance, can't afford to get one. |
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Location: Kansas | If you're looking for a reason our vehicles are so ridiculously expensive look to the United Auto Workers Union and......... government regulations.
You'll be amazed.
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Location: Williamsville, MO | I go Prior Salvage every time just because they are so high, and i usually sell my used prior salvage diesels for nearly what the clean title trucks are bringing. BUT my family has our own shop and we rebuild lots of wrecks so its done right. My current truck is 2012 Dodge 3500 white dually. 90xxx miles. Loaded. I have 20K in this truck. I coulded imagine paying new truck prices. I like to have equity in mine lol |
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Location: North Texas | This thread made me curious...................so I did some research via auto trader and boy did I get sticker shock! Turns out the most reasonably priced vehicles are fleet vehicles w/ between 100-140k under $17k. |
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| foundation horse - 2016-12-28 5:29 PM
This thread made me curious...................so I did some research via auto trader and boy did I get sticker shock! Turns out the most reasonably priced vehicles are fleet vehicles w/ between 100-140k under $17k.
They're not reasonably priced at all. Do you know what happens to fleet vehicles? Especially oilfield fleet vehicles? I wouldn't give a penny for one of them. |
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Location: Heart of Texas | Unfortunately the price of trucks far surpasses the price ouf our first home except the house will probably outlast any truck built today.
We have been lucky as hubby has a dealers license and can purchase direct from the Dealer Auctions; not failsafe but much better to have someone buying for you instead of selling you on a vehicle. Between car fax and the 14day certified inspecions performed by the auction service mechanics the risks are limited.
We have had a lot of friends and customers tell us they would never buy from a new car store again. Custom buying is our specialty and we have references. We dont finance so you have to be approved before we start the process.
You will save thousands off the retail price and or buy a lot more truck for your money spent; and the best part is no salesman to deal with.
Find someone in your area that does this, check therm out throughly and see if it is for you. The warranty transfers with most vehicles. We have access to any make or model.
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Location: North Texas | classicpotatochip - 2016-12-28 7:08 PM
foundation horse - 2016-12-28 5:29 PM
This thread made me curious...................so I did some research via auto trader and boy did I get sticker shock! Turns out the most reasonably priced vehicles are fleet vehicles w/ between 100-140k under $17k.
They're not reasonably priced at all. Do you know what happens to fleet vehicles? Especially oilfield fleet vehicles? I wouldn't give a penny for one of them.
I drove a fleet (Haliburton) fleet pickup for over two hundred thousand miles, so I would say I have an idea of how they are treated....................... |
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Location: Roping pen | Since I started this thread I have learned a lot thru my research.
Most was from a jobber that does truck conversions. Appears he needs a mark up of about 15-20% to get his business to work. Pay 35k for trade in and sell it for 42k type deal (if no repairs are needed which sounded very rare). Most deals, it appears, he needs, 20-30% due to repairs needed. With his overheads, insurance, interest, etc, he is barely paying the light bill with that slim of margin on his biz. The new ones he buys, he can't get enough of a discount or can find them he said. He buys 20-40 a year it sounded like. So he doesn't make much on that end either.
In conversation with a salesman at Ford, (was very knowledgeable and forthright with info), he said the Ford 2017s Super Duties, went up 7.25% their costs. They are trying to pass that on for now as Ford really cut production (less than half) on the bigger pickups to create more demand. He said with all the dealer mergers the last few years, pressure from the manufacturers to build the multimillion dollar sales buildings and to inventory 100s of new vehicles, the costs of repairs/labor on the used ones they get in, they need at least 10% at a minimum mark up on new. They start at 30%....The used market has really changed the last 20 years he said. They will not inventory a used vehicle more than 30 days. It goes to auction. They seldom even run it thru the shop. They might change the oil and do a "safety inspection", but they can't afford to do much on the used vehicles.
Both said used vehicles that are maintained are increasingly hard to find. Most need a lot of work once they get them in as people are not taking care of them.
He went on to say, (heard it from several other dealers also), you are much better off selling your trade in privately, run the sale thru them for $500 to save the sales tax, and pay cash for the new one. If you get a new one that is not floor planned yet (dealer has not paid manufacture yet), they will live with 10% or less margin.
More and more used are going thru dealer auctions. He had no idea why, but he guessed it was because the manufacturer is pushing new sales, so the retailer has no room for any used inventory.
Interesting....
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Location: North Texas | Spin Doctor - 2016-12-29 9:37 AM
Since I started this thread I have learned a lot thru my research.
Most was from a jobber that does truck conversions. Appears he needs a mark up of about 15-20% to get his business to work. Pay 35k for trade in and sell it for 42k type deal (if no repairs are needed which sounded very rare). Most deals, it appears, he needs, 20-30% due to repairs needed. With his overheads, insurance, interest, etc, he is barely paying the light bill with that slim of margin on his biz. The new ones he buys, he can't get enough of a discount or can find them he said. He buys 20-40 a year it sounded like. So he doesn't make much on that end either.
In conversation with a salesman at Ford, (was very knowledgeable and forthright with info), he said the Ford 2017s Super Duties, went up 7.25% their costs. They are trying to pass that on for now as Ford really cut production (less than half) on the bigger pickups to create more demand. He said with all the dealer mergers the last few years, pressure from the manufacturers to build the multimillion dollar sales buildings and to inventory 100s of new vehicles, the costs of repairs/labor on the used ones they get in, they need at least 10% at a minimum mark up on new. They start at 30%....The used market has really changed the last 20 years he said. They will not inventory a used vehicle more than 30 days. It goes to auction. They seldom even run it thru the shop. They might change the oil and do a "safety inspection", but they can't afford to do much on the used vehicles.
Both said used vehicles that are maintained are increasingly hard to find. Most need a lot of work once they get them in as people are not taking care of them.
He went on to say, (heard it from several other dealers also), you are much better off selling your trade in privately, run the sale thru them for $500 to save the sales tax, and pay cash for the new one. If you get a new one that is not floor planned yet (dealer has not paid manufacture yet), they will live with 10% or less margin.
More and more used are going thru dealer auctions. He had no idea why, but he guessed it was because the manufacturer is pushing new sales, so the retailer has no room for any used inventory.
Interesting....
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | Spin Doctor - 2016-12-29 9:37 AM Since I started this thread I have learned a lot thru my research. Most was from a jobber that does truck conversions. Appears he needs a mark up of about 15-20% to get his business to work. Pay 35k for trade in and sell it for 42k type deal (if no repairs are needed which sounded very rare). Most deals, it appears, he needs, 20-30% due to repairs needed. With his overheads, insurance, interest, etc, he is barely paying the light bill with that slim of margin on his biz. The new ones he buys, he can't get enough of a discount or can find them he said. He buys 20-40 a year it sounded like. So he doesn't make much on that end either. In conversation with a salesman at Ford, (was very knowledgeable and forthright with info), he said the Ford 2017s Super Duties, went up 7.25% their costs. They are trying to pass that on for now as Ford really cut production (less than half) on the bigger pickups to create more demand. He said with all the dealer mergers the last few years, pressure from the manufacturers to build the multimillion dollar sales buildings and to inventory 100s of new vehicles, the costs of repairs/labor on the used ones they get in, they need at least 10% at a minimum mark up on new. They start at 30%....The used market has really changed the last 20 years he said. They will not inventory a used vehicle more than 30 days. It goes to auction. They seldom even run it thru the shop. They might change the oil and do a "safety inspection", but they can't afford to do much on the used vehicles. Both said used vehicles that are maintained are increasingly hard to find. Most need a lot of work once they get them in as people are not taking care of them. He went on to say, (heard it from several other dealers also), you are much better off selling your trade in privately, run the sale thru them for $500 to save the sales tax, and pay cash for the new one. If you get a new one that is not floor planned yet (dealer has not paid manufacture yet), they will live with 10% or less margin. More and more used are going thru dealer auctions. He had no idea why, but he guessed it was because the manufacturer is pushing new sales, so the retailer has no room for any used inventory. Interesting....
Keep in mind that some states let the buyer take care of their own sales tax at registration. Arkansas is one. If you sell a vehicle within 45 days of purchasing, you can present your bill of sale and get that taken off your sales tax directly at the revenue office. No need to go through a dealer. |
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Location: MT | We decided to keep our '05 Cummins, it has 160,000 miles on it. And bought a used car with cash that gets 31 mpg instead. The pickup only gets used for hauling, which lately isn't very often. What's amazing is the market for the older Cummins. We have received several offers from dealerships wanting to buy ours.
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| We bought a 2014 1-ton dually Cummins 4 x 4 for $39,000.00. Had 750 miles on it, and had been on the lot for a little over a year.
We haggled for three days with the dealer to get that price. So far we are happy with what we got for the price.
We previously had a 2008 1-ton dually Cummins-that was the same thing, but it had $130,000 miles, we still owed on it, and we were looking at probably putting new tires, getting the wheel barrings done....etc. which would have been $3,000 worth of maintenance.
Getting something under warranty and our payment increased only $30 a month was worth it for us. Granted our loan started over, but I much prefer to have something under warranty and new that we can maintain vs. something that could leave us on the side of the road with horses and a potentially expensive bill. It just all depends on what works for you and your preferences. We are lucky that our truck is our third vehicle and it is parked unless we haul with it. It will last us a LONG time. Not to mention we got the tradesman package. I love having vinyl flooring as opposed to carpet. So much easier to keep the truck clean and looking nice on the inside.
I think the key if you want a deal is you have to know what you are willing to spend, you cannot budge when they say meet us in the middle. You have to be willing to walk away. In both intances where we walked away the dealer called us back wanting to make us the deal WE wanted. It also pays to shop around for trucks that have been on the lot for over a year-at that point they are costing the dealer money. Most people are not going to pay the same price for a 2014 as they are a 2015. That is when you can find the better deals/prices and haggle and still get a new vehicle.
Below is our new truck and old truck :)
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Location: MT | SpaceCowboy - 2016-12-27 7:53 AM This is why we bought a single-axle Kenworth. Cost was a fraction of even a gently used pickup and should last much, much longer. We have it and two used diesel pickups and NO PAYMENTS! I just cannot justify paying a vehicle payment higher than my mortgage payment. I won't do it. I'll ride my horses to the rodeos first lol.
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | magic gunsmoke - 2016-12-29 12:10 PM
We bought a 2014 1-ton dually Cummins 4 x 4 for $39,000.00. Had 750 miles on it, and had been on the lot for a little over a year.
We haggled for three days with the dealer to get that price. So far we are happy with what we got for the price.
We previously had a 2008 1-ton dually Cummins-that was the same thing, but it had $130,000 miles, we still owed on it, and we were looking at probably putting new tires, getting the wheel barrings done....etc. which would have been $3,000 worth of maintenance.
Getting something under warranty and our payment increased only $30 a month was worth it for us. Granted our loan started over, but I much prefer to have something under warranty and new that we can maintain vs. something that could leave us on the side of the road with horses and a potentially expensive bill. It just all depends on what works for you and your preferences. We are lucky that our truck is our third vehicle and it is parked unless we haul with it. It will last us a LONG time. Not to mention we got the tradesman package. I love having vinyl flooring as opposed to carpet. So much easier to keep the truck clean and looking nice on the inside.
I think the key if you want a deal is you have to know what you are willing to spend, you cannot budge when they say meet us in the middle. You have to be willing to walk away. In both intances where we walked away the dealer called us back wanting to make us the deal WE wanted. It also pays to shop around for trucks that have been on the lot for over a year-at that point they are costing the dealer money. Most people are not going to pay the same price for a 2014 as they are a 2015. That is when you can find the better deals/prices and haggle and still get a new vehicle.
Below is our new truck and old truck :)
This is what I did. Bought a new 2015 Dodge 3500 Diesel in August of this year. Loaded. Paid $50.3k for it. I went thru financing and decided to see what would happen if I changed my mind. Got up and started to walk out and ended up with 2% lower interest rate and $1500 more for my trade in. Also, I was told the warranty was going to only cover up to 60k instead of 100k on the 2015. Will probably be my last truck so it's fitting that this one is loaded. I always bought the ones with no carpet and no frills. |
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Location: NW MT | ruggedchica - 2016-12-29 11:07 AM We decided to keep our '05 Cummins, it has 160,000 miles on it. And bought a used car with cash that gets 31 mpg instead. The pickup only gets used for hauling, which lately isn't very often. What's amazing is the market for the older Cummins. We have received several offers from dealerships wanting to buy ours.
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Location: NW MT | ruggedchica - 2016-12-29 11:12 AM SpaceCowboy - 2016-12-27 7:53 AM This is why we bought a single-axle Kenworth. Cost was a fraction of even a gently used pickup and should last much, much longer. We have it and two used diesel pickups and NO PAYMENTS! I just cannot justify paying a vehicle payment higher than my mortgage payment. I won't do it. I'll ride my horses to the rodeos first lol. This is our plan as well, when we wear out the '05 Cummins.
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Location: MT | Rockyroad - 2016-12-29 11:46 AM ruggedchica - 2016-12-29 11:07 AM We decided to keep our '05 Cummins, it has 160,000 miles on it. And bought a used car with cash that gets 31 mpg instead. The pickup only gets used for hauling, which lately isn't very often. What's amazing is the market for the older Cummins. We have received several offers from dealerships wanting to buy ours.
makes me wonder what mine is worth
I definitely wouldn't give it away! Might not hurt to do some research. We've gotten letters from several dealerships asking if ours is for sale, saying they want them for inventory. All have been SE Montana dealerships. |
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Location: MT | Rockyroad - 2016-12-29 11:49 AM ruggedchica - 2016-12-29 11:12 AM SpaceCowboy - 2016-12-27 7:53 AM This is why we bought a single-axle Kenworth. Cost was a fraction of even a gently used pickup and should last much, much longer. We have it and two used diesel pickups and NO PAYMENTS! I just cannot justify paying a vehicle payment higher than my mortgage payment. I won't do it. I'll ride my horses to the rodeos first lol. This is our plan as well, when we wear out the '05 Cummins.
Tom is all for it. OF course, he's been wanting a Peterbilt for some time.
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Location: Northwest | ruggedchica - 2016-12-29 10:12 AM
SpaceCowboy - 2016-12-27 7:53 AM This is why we bought a single-axle Kenworth. Cost was a fraction of even a gently used pickup and should last much, much longer. We have it and two used diesel pickups and NO PAYMENTS! I just cannot justify paying a vehicle payment higher than my mortgage payment. I won't do it. I'll ride my horses to the rodeos first lol.
This is our plan as well, when we wear out the '05 Cummins.
Us three. Husband says there is no way we are buying a new pickup when our '11 Dodge dually wears out. |
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| ruggedchica - 2016-12-29 3:48 PM
Rockyroad - 2016-12-29 11:46 AM ruggedchica - 2016-12-29 11:07 AM We decided to keep our '05 Cummins, it has 160,000 miles on it. And bought a used car with cash that gets 31 mpg instead. The pickup only gets used for hauling, which lately isn't very often. What's amazing is the market for the older Cummins. We have received several offers from dealerships wanting to buy ours.
makes me wonder what mine is worth
I got these letters all the time from several dealerships in my area for my 07 5.9 cummins. All they are is a ploy to get you down to the lot and get you to buy a new truck. WHen I traded mine in they just said they were sending it off to auction. So much for wanting my truck to badly..lol |
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| iloveequine40 - 2016-12-26 8:17 PM
Three 4 Luck - 2016-12-26 4:37 PM
rodeoveteran - 2016-12-26 3:01 PM iloveequine40 - 2016-12-25 4:52 AM If you are patient and look for awhile you can find AWESOME deals on trucks. We had to buy one in February after a head on collision totaled our '08 dodge that was paid for. We bought a '14 dodge ram dually 28k miles, fully loaded save the moon roof for 47k. We don't buy new. Let someone else eat depreciation. I'm in Texas so there is a ton of trucks to choose from. You must be younger. $47K is NOT a great deal in my book!
It IS a great deal when you look at the CURRENT prices of buying new which is the context of this thread. We were surprised at the ridiculous prices too and that's why we bought used.
Agree a very good deal. 28K miles isn't even broke in good for a diesel. Did they get that front end issue fixed in the '14, or was it a recall?
I retired and downsized in the summer of '14. Dodge 4500 with hauler bed and a big Bloomer. Loved the truck, loved the trailer, but did not love the payments and the insurance. Boy do I miss my truck, I ordered it with just what I wanted.
One of the issues was the front end, but I read that Dodge had fixed it. After saving some money over the past few years, I'm ready to buy a real truck again. HOpe I can find a truck with 25K miles below $50K! |
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Location: Stephenville, TX | A lot of that sticker shock comes from the trim package. Ease up on the fancy stuff and the price goes way down.
?I have a '15 Cummins with a Tradesman package and man that thing is nice! Vinyl everything...so easy to keep clean! Backup cam, tire pressure sensors, digital stuff on the dash, little hidey-hole compartments in the floor... Of course, I was driving a 1999 before I got this one, so I was easily impressed by all the advancements that had been made over a 16-year time period. Kinda wanted a moon roof...but I didn't want to pay $75,000 either...I'll survive just fine without a window over my head. 
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