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Location: Montana | Your opinions on going with a treeless saddle on a young horse (2 to 3 year old). I've only ridden treed but I'm having a hard time finding the right fit on a treed saddle. Considering flex trees too. Thanks!
Also: When going with a treeless and you are used to riding treed saddle, what would be my best bet for the transition? I'm aware of Bob Marshall, Tammy Fischer, Jackie Jatzlau, and the Just B Natural. I'd love pros and cons of each. Thanks!
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Location: Durango CO | I tried a Tammy on my 2 year old and it slide all over. I wish it would have worked. My experience is they don't have enough back yet to hold a treeless. |
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Location: Montana | Lil_Pony35 - 2016-12-24 5:51 PM I tried a Tammy on my 2 year old and it slide all over. I wish it would have worked. My experience is they don't have enough back yet to hold a treeless.
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Location: run2win land | I use the Deb Sibley by Panther Canyon treeless. Has a more standard fit than a Bob Marshall. I have used it on a 2yo with hardly any withers. I use a closed cell pad to help it "stick". I also have used it on my wide horses and then more regular fit. No issues whatsoever. I prefer the PC saddle because it doesn't roll around like a BM and doesn't fold up. When my horse is driving out of the turn and I'm using the horn, I need it to stay in position and not come back at me like a BM does. |
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Location: Montana | swd - 2016-12-26 8:44 AM I use the Deb Sibley by Panther Canyon treeless. Has a more standard fit than a Bob Marshall. I have used it on a 2yo with hardly any withers. I use a closed cell pad to help it "stick". I also have used it on my wide horses and then more regular fit. No issues whatsoever. I prefer the PC saddle because it doesn't roll around like a BM and doesn't fold up. When my horse is driving out of the turn and I'm using the horn, I need it to stay in position and not come back at me like a BM does.
I'm interested in Debra Sibley saddles and have considered getting one for this horse but I thought they were a flex tree?  |
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| mtcanchazer - 2016-12-26 10:46 AM
swd - 2016-12-26 8:44 AM I use the Deb Sibley by Panther Canyon treeless. Has a more standard fit than a Bob Marshall. I have used it on a 2yo with hardly any withers. I use a closed cell pad to help it "stick". I also have used it on my wide horses and then more regular fit. No issues whatsoever. I prefer the PC saddle because it doesn't roll around like a BM and doesn't fold up. When my horse is driving out of the turn and I'm using the horn, I need it to stay in position and not come back at me like a BM does.
I'm interested in Debra Sibley saddles and have considered getting one for this horse but I thought they were a flex tree?
yes, I have a Deb Sibley and they are a flex tree. I don't love using them on young horses because there is not as much stability in them. They don't quite fold in half like a bob marshall do but their trees are very flexible and can have a quite a bit of motion in them. So if I have a fear of a broncy colt, I try and avoid flex trees. However, I love my sibley and it rides much more like a regular treed vs bob marshalls are a much different fit for the rider. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | mtcanchazer - 2016-12-26 10:46 AM swd - 2016-12-26 8:44 AM I use the Deb Sibley by Panther Canyon treeless. Has a more standard fit than a Bob Marshall. I have used it on a 2yo with hardly any withers. I use a closed cell pad to help it "stick". I also have used it on my wide horses and then more regular fit. No issues whatsoever. I prefer the PC saddle because it doesn't roll around like a BM and doesn't fold up. When my horse is driving out of the turn and I'm using the horn, I need it to stay in position and not come back at me like a BM does. I'm interested in Debra Sibley saddles and have considered getting one for this horse but I thought they were a flex tree?
Yes you are right they are a flex tree, not treeless.. A Deb Sibly is a saddle I would not want to use on a young horse. I would rather go with a Bob Marshall if I were to use one on a young horse..But I dont think a Bob Marshall is the way to go either on a young'un, like another poster said they dont have the top line are withers for one.. |
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Location: Montana | Thanks for all the info, that is kind of what I was thinking. I've been having a challenge trying to fit this young horse, and I'm running out of ideas! LOL. |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | mtcanchazer - 2016-12-26 4:28 PM Thanks for all the info, that is kind of what I was thinking. I've been having a challenge trying to fit this young horse, and I'm running out of ideas! LOL.
Post some pictures of your 2 year old maybe we can get some ideals if we can see how shes bulit. |
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Location: Montana | Southtxponygirl - 2016-12-26 4:08 PM mtcanchazer - 2016-12-26 4:28 PM Thanks for all the info, that is kind of what I was thinking. I've been having a challenge trying to fit this young horse, and I'm running out of ideas! LOL. Post some pictures of your 2 year old maybe we can get some ideals if we can see how shes bulit.
I'm not sure the pics are any help, I had to resize them to fit and now they are fairly small. We have had so much snow and cold I haven't had a chance to get any different ones, or one straight from the back (maybe if the snow drifts freeze I can stand on one to get one from the back, LOL).
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | mtcanchazer - 2016-12-26 7:49 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-12-26 4:08 PM mtcanchazer - 2016-12-26 4:28 PM Thanks for all the info, that is kind of what I was thinking. I've been having a challenge trying to fit this young horse, and I'm running out of ideas! LOL. Post some pictures of your 2 year old maybe we can get some ideals if we can see how shes bulit.
I'm not sure the pics are any help, I had to resize them to fit and now they are fairly small. We have had so much snow and cold I haven't had a chance to get any different ones, or one straight from the back (maybe if the snow drifts freeze I can stand on one to get one from the back, LOL).
So the Court saddle your using now rolls? I would go with a gullet a tad narrower if thats the case, Have you tryed a older Martha Josey or a older Sharon Camarillo? |
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Location: Oklahoma | I tried to use my Bob M. 14" saddle on my 2yo. I couldn't get it far enough back to be clear of her shoulder blades. Just something to look for. She's 15.1 and filled out pretty good.
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Location: Montana | Southtxponygirl - 2016-12-26 8:43 PM mtcanchazer - 2016-12-26 7:49 PM Southtxponygirl - 2016-12-26 4:08 PM mtcanchazer - 2016-12-26 4:28 PM Thanks for all the info, that is kind of what I was thinking. I've been having a challenge trying to fit this young horse, and I'm running out of ideas! LOL. Post some pictures of your 2 year old maybe we can get some ideals if we can see how shes bulit.
I'm not sure the pics are any help, I had to resize them to fit and now they are fairly small. We have had so much snow and cold I haven't had a chance to get any different ones, or one straight from the back (maybe if the snow drifts freeze I can stand on one to get one from the back, LOL).
Just saw this, I haven't tried either the Martha Josey or the older Sharon Camarillo...at least yet. I guess I should have seen this before I wrote my other post, LOL. |
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Location: Idaho | She's a cutie! She looks like my guy's build when he was younger.
On my gelding when he was growing, I used a few different saddles. I went from using a Bob Marshall to start, then switched over to my super wide courts then switched to my 7 1/2" Gullet Teskey, but I always got one a little bigger for him to grow into and I used a CSI pad to help protect him as he grew. I think it's better to go bigger then fill in the gaps rather than going too small. I never had any saddle fit issues, never had any soreness. My CSI was a life saver. He is now in a 8" Gullet Courts Sharon Camarillo and he is going on 6 years old. He has turned into a almost no withers, mutton withered stocky boy.
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Location: Montana | DashNDustem - 2017-02-09 8:07 AM She's a cutie! She looks like my guy's build when he was younger. On my gelding when he was growing, I used a few different saddles. I went from using a Bob Marshall to start, then switched over to my super wide courts then switched to my 7 1/2" Gullet Teskey, but I always got one a little bigger for him to grow into and I used a CSI pad to help protect him as he grew. I think it's better to go bigger then fill in the gaps rather than going too small. I never had any saddle fit issues, never had any soreness. My CSI was a life saver. He is now in a 8" Gullet Courts Sharon Camarillo and he is going on 6 years old. He has turned into a almost no withers, mutton withered stocky boy. Hope this helps!
Thanks very much! I have her in a 7" gullet FQHB Courts saddle now, and no success. Could you please tell me what the CSI does? I was thinking about trying a 5 Star. |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | Dreamin of 3cans - 2016-12-27 10:33 AM
I tried to use my Bob M. 14" saddle on my 2yo. I couldn't get it far enough back to be clear of her shoulder blades. Just something to look for. She's 15.1 and filled out pretty good.
You don't have to clear the shoulder blades with a Bob Marshall because there are no bars on it. A Bob Marshall or any true treeless totally frees up the shoulders. |
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Location: Golden Gulf Coast of Texas | I have ridden 2,3 &4 year olds with a treeless. The only ones I don't like to ride are the ones that may still want to buck a little. Also, I usually ride with a saddleright pad. It's not real thick but offers a lot of support for their back. If your horse doesn't have much withers then you may have to use a thinner felt pad. I like the Bob Marshall and the Jackie's the best. |
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Location: Idaho | mtcanchazer - 2017-02-10 7:20 AM
DashNDustem - 2017-02-09 8:07 AM She's a cutie! She looks like my guy's build when he was younger. On my gelding when he was growing, I used a few different saddles. I went from using a Bob Marshall to start, then switched over to my super wide courts then switched to my 7 1/2" Gullet Teskey, but I always got one a little bigger for him to grow into and I used a CSI pad to help protect him as he grew. I think it's better to go bigger then fill in the gaps rather than going too small. I never had any saddle fit issues, never had any soreness. My CSI was a life saver. He is now in a 8" Gullet Courts Sharon Camarillo and he is going on 6 years old. He has turned into a almost no withers, mutton withered stocky boy. Hope this helps!
Thanks very much! I have her in a 7" gullet FQHB Courts saddle now, and no success. Could you please tell me what the CSI does? I was thinking about trying a 5 Star.
Well, the CSI pad is a saddle pad that has a flex plate inside of it. It helps balance the pressure of the saddle and the rider on the horses back. Here is a link to their website..
https://www.csisaddlepads.com/why-csi-saddlepads/
This pad came highly recommended from a lot of my good friends because like you, I was worried about a saddle fit on my (now) gelding. I started him as a 3 year old.. he is now turning 6 in May. I have used the CSI from the beginning after I moved him out of the Bob Marshall. It is the best $300 I ever spent, and the pads come with a 5 year warranty. If something goes wrong with it, they will replace it. I even sold my wade pad so I can get another. This pad helped so much, like I said my gelding never had back issues and was even checked by a chiro a few times just to be sure, and he was fine!
I would highly recommend looking into a CSI, you will not be disappointed! Then look at getting a wider gullet and wider bars. Oh and I would say get a fleece or wool liner, I tried one with the neoprene liner and it just didn't feel right. But I love them and I'm not going back to anything else.
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Location: Montana | DashNDustem - 2017-02-09 12:09 PM mtcanchazer - 2017-02-10 7:20 AM DashNDustem - 2017-02-09 8:07 AM She's a cutie! She looks like my guy's build when he was younger. On my gelding when he was growing, I used a few different saddles. I went from using a Bob Marshall to start, then switched over to my super wide courts then switched to my 7 1/2" Gullet Teskey, but I always got one a little bigger for him to grow into and I used a CSI pad to help protect him as he grew. I think it's better to go bigger then fill in the gaps rather than going too small. I never had any saddle fit issues, never had any soreness. My CSI was a life saver. He is now in a 8" Gullet Courts Sharon Camarillo and he is going on 6 years old. He has turned into a almost no withers, mutton withered stocky boy. Hope this helps! Thanks very much! I have her in a 7" gullet FQHB Courts saddle now, and no success. Could you please tell me what the CSI does? I was thinking about trying a 5 Star. Well, the CSI pad is a saddle pad that has a flex plate inside of it. It helps balance the pressure of the saddle and the rider on the horses back. Here is a link to their website.. https://www.csisaddlepads.com/why-csi-saddlepads/ This pad came highly recommended from a lot of my good friends because like you, I was worried about a saddle fit on my (now ) gelding. I started him as a 3 year old.. he is now turning 6 in May. I have used the CSI from the beginning after I moved him out of the Bob Marshall. It is the best $300 I ever spent, and the pads come with a 5 year warranty. If something goes wrong with it, they will replace it. I even sold my wade pad so I can get another. This pad helped so much, like I said my gelding never had back issues and was even checked by a chiro a few times just to be sure, and he was fine! I would highly recommend looking into a CSI, you will not be disappointed! Then look at getting a wider gullet and wider bars. Oh and I would say get a fleece or wool liner, I tried one with the neoprene liner and it just didn't feel right. But I love them and I'm not going back to anything else.  Thanks very much!
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Location: Montana | mreklaw - 2017-02-09 11:48 AM I have ridden 2,3 &4 year olds with a treeless. The only ones I don't like to ride are the ones that may still want to buck a little. Also, I usually ride with a saddleright pad. It's not real thick but offers a lot of support for their back. If your horse doesn't have much withers then you may have to use a thinner felt pad. I like the Bob Marshall and the Jackie's the best.
Very good to know...this one has a little buck when she's fresh (nothing terrible, just a kick out or two), so it sounds like I may not want to go with a treeless on her yet. |
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Location: TEXAS | I ride my young one in a treeless and she has less withers than yours. The trick is the pad, I ride a saddleright pad and it does not move!!!  |
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