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Zeal Queen
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Location: TEXAS | Cowjazz - 2017-01-12 12:32 PM
You must have seen the video Len Brown did?
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Location: Fort Worth / Springtown | I'm not sure about that one -- I have'nt had a CSI since they first came out - just a plain black pad. I have a corrector, though.
I do like his thinking outsde the box and check out his page, periodically.....I called him one time to inquire about his saddles. I told him about the problem I was having with my current saddle back then (JBN Just B Natural) and he knew what I was talking about - starting describing my problem even further.
After I got off the phone, I looked around his website a little more and and he had already wrote an article about it! He was absolutely correct on that.
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Location: TEXAS | txbredbr - 2017-01-12 1:08 PM
I'm not sure about that one -- I have'nt had a CSI since they first came out - just a plain black pad. I have a corrector, though.
I do like his thinking outsde the box and check out his page, periodically.....I called him one time to inquire about his saddles. I told him about the problem I was having with my current saddle back then (JBN Just B Natural) and he knew what I was talking about - starting describing my problem even further.
After I got off the phone, I looked around his website a little more and and he had already wrote an article about it! He was absolutely correct on that.
Do you like the corrector? Does it have wither clearance? | |
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Location: Fort Worth / Springtown | I like it, and would definitely recommend trying one, but it does not work in every situation.
I have a high-withered horse and it does not work for him, as is. I have actually dissected it, pulled out the discs and place them where I need to, depending on the saddle and the horse. The pad is not contoured enough for high withers and the pad itself will dig into the top of the backbone. I have discussed this with Len in the past.
I will take pics later to show you what I mean. And this is a very high-withered horse I'm talking about.
Some trees are too long to fit directly on the disks where they are recommended to be placed the way the discs are already secured in the pad.
Another reason I have dissected it to even removing the felt on one side of the disc is because my other two horses are extremely broad and I have to used a very thin pad, anyway, or my saddle will roll. I really want one of his his near/never tight cinches to try and help with that but $$ :)
I rushed to take some pics this morning,, but my husband's camera was too dark in the 7am light...and I lost mine in the dirt riding last night - also there are btis of grass, dirt and alfalfa everywhere after feeding - forgive the messiness - nothing is ever easy for me :) But here's an idea...
The corrector in the envelope pad has two sections on the top that keep it together over the spine, as you can see here:
- the front top section will dig into the top of the spine on a high withered horse like one of mine is:
This makes it impossible for the corrector pad to sit flush on the horse's back unless you slide it further down the back, which puts the corrector shields in the wrong place. Years later I bought the full western corrector pad and had the same problem.
Also when I said the discs seem to be too close together to fit exactly where the discs should go under the point of the tree, which is why I dissected it, to be able to place the discs whereever I need -- here is an example -- I have a Reinsman Sharon Camarillo pad with an "envelope" in it where you can place padding in 3 different sections on each side, the corrector INSIDE and Envelope pad is no longer than the envelope on the Reinsman pad....I don't know that I have had a saddle tree that short- ever (even though I need one on this horse), to allow the corrector discs to be where they need to be. :
I'd like to discuss that with him, more, but if you go to his website you can see a picture of the corrector discs under a raw tree on a grey horse's back, with him sitting in the raw saddle tree......that Is kind of what I do with the corrector discs that I have dissected, but with a real saddle and a thin pad.
I know this may seem bizarre what I do, but if I had the tools, I'd make my own saddle pad to fit every horse /saddle combo that I mounted. I spend countless trips to riding a horse, feeling how it moves/how the saddle sits, hair rub marks, short-stride, cinchy, etc, going back to the trailer, changing one thing, and going back out to ride. Yes I overthink, but I've watched my horse go from 1st in 1-D to not placing in 3-D overnight and vise versa, and white hair saddle scars disappear. That matters to me. 
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Location: alabama | txbredbr - 2017-01-12 12:08 PM
I'm not sure about that one -- I have'nt had a CSI since they first came out - just a plain black pad. I have a corrector, though.
I do like his thinking outsde the box and check out his page, periodically.....I called him one time to inquire about his saddles. I told him about the problem I was having with my current saddle back then (JBN Just B Natural) and he knew what I was talking about - starting describing my problem even further.
After I got off the phone, I looked around his website a little more and and he had already wrote an article about it! He was absolutely correct on that.
What issues were u having with ur JBN? I have one and not sold on it yet! | |
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | I have both and for me they are very different. The original CorrecTOR is made of cheap materials and the CSI is a high quality pad, so that would actually make CSI a high quality knock off of the CorreTOR. LOL I also have a 5Star and I like all of them and use the one that works for the combination of saddle and horse together. | |
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Location: Smack Dab in the Middle | I've never used one of his products, but after reading his own comments/replies to comments on one of his own FB posts...I wouldn't give him my business for any reason, or recommend him to anyone. But that's just my opinion. | |
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Location: North Dakota | RockinGR - 2017-01-12 4:46 PM
I've never used one of his products, but after reading his own comments/replies to comments on one of his own FB posts...I wouldn't give him my business for any reason, or recommend him to anyone. But that's just my opinion.
I was just going to comment this same thing. Any curiosity I may have had about the product went down the drain along with my opinion of him and his company. I don't recall the last time I read something so offensive, rude and unprofessional. | |
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Location: Under The Big Sky Of Texas | shakeit0410 - 2017-01-12 4:56 PM RockinGR - 2017-01-12 4:46 PM I've never used one of his products, but after reading his own comments/replies to comments on one of his own FB posts...I wouldn't give him my business for any reason, or recommend him to anyone. But that's just my opinion. I was just going to comment this same thing. Any curiosity I may have had about the product went down the drain along with my opinion of him and his company. I don't recall the last time I read something so offensive, rude and unprofessional.
So does this mean that he thinks very highly of himself?
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Location: 100 miles from Nowhere, AR | I have both. I like them both. They fit differently and each works well in different situations. The CSI is a lot thicker. I also have a Saddleright and use it more than anything else. | |
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Location: Northwest | shakeit0410 - 2017-01-12 2:56 PM
RockinGR - 2017-01-12 4:46 PM
I've never used one of his products, but after reading his own comments/replies to comments on one of his own FB posts...I wouldn't give him my business for any reason, or recommend him to anyone. But that's just my opinion.
I was just going to comment this same thing. Any curiosity I may have had about the product went down the drain along with my opinion of him and his company. I don't recall the last time I read something so offensive, rude and unprofessional.
I noticed that he seems a little wacky plus his website is so weird and hard to maneuver. That said, I LOVE his products. | |
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Location: North Dakota | Southtxponygirl - 2017-01-12 5:00 PM
shakeit0410 - 2017-01-12 4:56 PM RockinGR - 2017-01-12 4:46 PM I've never used one of his products, but after reading his own comments/replies to comments on one of his own FB posts...I wouldn't give him my business for any reason, or recommend him to anyone. But that's just my opinion. I was just going to comment this same thing. Any curiosity I may have had about the product went down the drain along with my opinion of him and his company. I don't recall the last time I read something so offensive, rude and unprofessional.
To me, there is a difference between being confident in yourself, and going out of your way to be an @ss. He did the latter. Long story short, she asked him a legitimate question about his product and he went on to attack her personally, her choice of riding, her horse, and accused her of being a "big lick" TN walker rider. All based off simply looking at her profile picture. | |
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Location: Deep South | RockinGR - 2017-01-12 4:46 PM
I've never used one of his products, but after reading his own comments/replies to comments on one of his own FB posts...I wouldn't give him my business for any reason, or recommend him to anyone. But that's just my opinion.
Completely agree!! I was absolutely APPALLED at what a complete @$$ he made of himself while actually trying to market his own product.
I encourage everyone to read the comments on this before giving this idiot any of your business.
https://www.facebook.com/SADDLEFITTING/videos/vb.118820314823264/125... | |
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Location: Fort Worth / Springtown | smcmil - 2017-01-12 3:01 PM txbredbr - 2017-01-12 12:08 PM I'm not sure about that one -- I have'nt had a CSI since they first came out - just a plain black pad. I have a corrector, though.
I do like his thinking outsde the box and check out his page, periodically.....I called him one time to inquire about his saddles. I told him about the problem I was having with my current saddle back then (JBN Just B Natural) and he knew what I was talking about - starting describing my problem even further.
After I got off the phone, I looked around his website a little more and and he had already wrote an article about it! He was absolutely correct on that.
What issues were u having with ur JBN? I have one and not sold on it yet!
I'll place a link to Len speaking about it on his website (this is what I came across AFTER I spoke to him about my discovery, not knowing he had already discovered it) :
http://www.thecorrector.net/id17.html
If you don't want to click on the link, here is a pic, and it did this same thing to my horse:- I had both the JBN Barrel and the JBN Trail. I can't remember if the Barrel had this same double ring, but I know both still dug into my horses's side -- even the leather panel going up to the saddle from the ring dug in tight :
Also, because of my high withered horse, I had to cut the padding underneath the pommel -- with such a high pommel, I don't understand the low pad material underneath it - but I solved that with a clean slit to the font with a box cutter :) . 
I had the medium JBN barrel and I would have liked to try the wider tree. My friend got one because I liked JBN at first, and she loves hers and will not part with it. It SEEMED to me the cinch ring area was not as tight on her horse -- maybe the way horse's ribs are sprung can vary or maybe it was the wider tree.
Additionally, I was in a hurry to try a wide tree and the only thing availabe at the time I could afford was a wide JBN Trail - it did not seem wide though - not like my friends wide. I warned the person I sold it to to watch out for the tight ring area. (And you know Len even describes on his website how to correct it, like he did with a lady who had one......but I couldn't get it to do that on mine (bend the ring to the outside, ran than tilting in towards the ribcage)).
Also, I read an old internet discussion that someone else had this problem and Circle Y supposedly was going to make some changes and the girl reported that she was very disappointed to find that the change was so minute and did not solve the problem at all. I think I saw on my newer model what she was talking about, and I didn't see how that would have changed it, either.
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Zeal Queen
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Location: TEXAS | thanks for all the input....I decided to go with a saddleright pad and super happy with my decision. I put a lot of research into all 3 pads! | |
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I Prefer to Live in Fantasy Land
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Location: In the Hills of Texas | Brn-3 - 2017-01-13 6:36 PM I have a corrector and a protector. Like the way you can adjust them to fit different horses rather than just same thickness. That being said I do have a pocket racer, protector pad with all shims, near tight cinch, perfect rider stirrups and breast collar .... the whole set for sale if anyone is looking to buy used. Pm me??.
I also like that there is a variety of shims with the CorrecTOR.
I forgot that I also have a Saddleright pad that I use to use all the time and loved it but I don't like the way it fit with my Caldwell.
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| txbredbr - 2017-01-12 1:30 PM
I like it, and would definitely recommend trying one, but it does not work in every situation.
I have a high-withered horse and it does not work for him, as is. I have actually dissected it, pulled out the discs and place them where I need to, depending on the saddle and the horse. The pad is not contoured enough for high withers and the pad itself will dig into the top of the backbone. I have discussed this with Len in the past.
I will take pics later to show you what I mean. And this is a very high-withered horse I'm talking about.
Some trees are too long to fit directly on the disks where they are recommended to be placed the way the discs are already secured in the pad.
Another reason I have dissected it to even removing the felt on one side of the disc is because my other two horses are extremely broad and I have to used a very thin pad, anyway, or my saddle will roll. I really want one of his his near/never tight cinches to try and help with that but $$ :)
I rushed to take some pics this morning,, but my husband's camera was too dark in the 7am light...and I lost mine in the dirt riding last night - also there are btis of grass, dirt and alfalfa everywhere after feeding - forgive the messiness - nothing is ever easy for me :) But here's an idea...
The corrector in the envelope pad has two sections on the top that keep it together over the spine, as you can see here:
- the front top section will dig into the top of the spine on a high withered horse like one of mine is:This makes it impossible for the corrector pad to sit flush on the horse's back unless you slide it further down the back, which puts the corrector shields in the wrong place. Years later I bought the full western corrector pad and had the same problem.
Also when I said the discs seem to be too close together to fit exactly where the discs should go under the point of the tree, which is why I dissected it, to be able to place the discs whereever I need -- here is an example -- I have a Reinsman Sharon Camarillo pad with an "envelope" in it where you can place padding in 3 different sections on each side, the corrector INSIDE and Envelope pad is no longer than the envelope on the Reinsman pad....I don't know that I have had a saddle tree that short- ever (even though I need one on this horse), to allow the corrector discs to be where they need to be. :
I'd like to discuss that with him, more, but if you go to his website you can see a picture of the corrector discs under a raw tree on a grey horse's back, with him sitting in the raw saddle tree......that Is kind of what I do with the corrector discs that I have dissected, but with a real saddle and a thin pad.
I know this may seem bizarre what I do, but if I had the tools, I'd make my own saddle pad to fit every horse /saddle combo that I mounted. I spend countless trips to riding a horse, feeling how it moves/how the saddle sits, hair rub marks, short-stride, cinchy, etc, going back to the trailer, changing one thing, and going back out to ride. Yes I overthink, but I've watched my horse go from 1st in 1-D to not placing in 3-D overnight and vise versa, and white hair saddle scars disappear. That matters to me.
What saddle are you using on this horse? His top line looks a lot my geldings. | |
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Location: Phoenix | slacy09 - 2017-01-12 10:37 AM
Cowjazz - 2017-01-12 12:32 PM
You must have seen the video Len Brown did?
LOl, I did!
Yeah and did you read the comments? He accused this lady of riding Big Lick horses based off her FB profile which was false and totally off base. I'd never do business with him. I know he's always been a little weird but that sealed the deal for me. | |
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Location: Ellensburg, Washington | I have never used a CSI only looked at them and they seemed really thick to me. I have had a Corrector for about 10 years and it has replaced my 5 Star, Saddleright, ESP, etc. It is currently the only thing that works with my McKenzie Nueva and my Sibley (when I was using it). I agree his webpage is a hot mess and his comments come across very rudley but IMHO he makes a great product!
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Location: Some where I haven't left yet | I've had a Corrector for quite a while, Love it. Tried a CSI.... Sold it. His website is a TRAIN wreck, at best. I skip over as much as I can weed through to get to the "shopping" area. | |
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Location: Fort Worth / Springtown | GLP - 2017-01-13 7:12 PM txbredbr - 2017-01-12 1:30 PM I like it, and would definitely recommend trying one, but it does not work in every situation.
I have a high-withered horse and it does not work for him, as is. I have actually dissected it, pulled out the discs and place them where I need to, depending on the saddle and the horse. The pad is not contoured enough for high withers and the pad itself will dig into the top of the backbone. I have discussed this with Len in the past.
I will take pics later to show you what I mean. And this is a very high-withered horse I'm talking about.
Some trees are too long to fit directly on the disks where they are recommended to be placed the way the discs are already secured in the pad.
Another reason I have dissected it to even removing the felt on one side of the disc is because my other two horses are extremely broad and I have to used a very thin pad, anyway, or my saddle will roll. I really want one of his his near/never tight cinches to try and help with that but $$ :)
I rushed to take some pics this morning,, but my husband's camera was too dark in the 7am light...and I lost mine in the dirt riding last night - also there are btis of grass, dirt and alfalfa everywhere after feeding - forgive the messiness - nothing is ever easy for me :) But here's an idea...
The corrector in the envelope pad has two sections on the top that keep it together over the spine, as you can see here:
- the front top section will dig into the top of the spine on a high withered horse like one of mine is:
This makes it impossible for the corrector pad to sit flush on the horse's back unless you slide it further down the back, which puts the corrector shields in the wrong place. Years later I bought the full western corrector pad and had the same problem.
Also when I said the discs seem to be too close together to fit exactly where the discs should go under the point of the tree, which is why I dissected it, to be able to place the discs whereever I need -- here is an example -- I have a Reinsman Sharon Camarillo pad with an "envelope" in it where you can place padding in 3 different sections on each side, the corrector INSIDE and Envelope pad is no longer than the envelope on the Reinsman pad....I don't know that I have had a saddle tree that short- ever (even though I need one on this horse), to allow the corrector discs to be where they need to be. :
I'd like to discuss that with him, more, but if you go to his website you can see a picture of the corrector discs under a raw tree on a grey horse's back, with him sitting in the raw saddle tree......that Is kind of what I do with the corrector discs that I have dissected, but with a real saddle and a thin pad.
I know this may seem bizarre what I do, but if I had the tools, I'd make my own saddle pad to fit every horse /saddle combo that I mounted. I spend countless trips to riding a horse, feeling how it moves/how the saddle sits, hair rub marks, short-stride, cinchy, etc, going back to the trailer, changing one thing, and going back out to ride. Yes I overthink, but I've watched my horse go from 1st in 1-D to not placing in 3-D overnight and vise versa, and white hair saddle scars disappear. That matters to me.
What saddle are you using on this horse? His top line looks a lot my geldings.
Ugh, right now I'm using an old round skirt barrrel saddle by Red Barn Saddlery in Colleyville, TX that is no longer in business.
His back is so short that I considered special ordering an Arabian saddle, before.
It is really hard to try to fit his back, yet clear his wither. I liked the JBN aside from a couple things, but needed the wide tree and I just don't have $2000 to spend on a saddle until I selll one of my other horses. I also liked the Deb Sibley - high wither clearance, but neded to try the wide tree there, also.
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CSI vs. The Corrector by Len Brown